No childhood vaccine is tested

[LRRPF52]

The same idea applies as to moon landing deniers and the anti-vaccine crowd. You choose to ignore evidence despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. For instance your DDT theory is easily debunked with just a little research. Polio even was known to exist prior to the use of DDT. British physician Dr Michael Underwood was one of the first to attempt the first-known clinical description of polio called “debility of the lower extremities in 1789. This website goes into further detail about the DDT/polio disinformation:

https://vaxopedia.org/2017/10/19/is-there-a-ddt-polio-connection/

Then you have to an understanding of how viruses work, their pathogenesis, the different serotypes, how vaccines work in the body, etc to get an idea of how and why they work. I am not an epidemiologist but I would be willing to bet that consensus of that community would verify the effectiveness of the polio vaccine is at stopping the disease.

And disease is still a problem as discussed in this article when a switch to the oral vaccine failed horribly. I understand skepticism but let’s not go backwards in scientific advancement but rather pave a way forward that actually improves lives and help keep our population safe from easily preventable diseases.

https://www.science.org/content/article/unqualified-failure-polio-vaccine-policy-left-thousands-kids-paralyzed

See how the argument changed from the polio rates to whether or not polio existed though?

Who ever said polio never existed? Nobody. It’s a strawman argument that violates the pillar of logic out of the gate, so why are you making that argument?

Vaxopedia is clearly a biased source where every article is in favor of Pharma. Gee, I wonder who is running that website? It would be like going to SIG for safety record information and lawsuits on the P320. So citing Vaxopedia as a source violates the completeness, accuracy, and fairness principles in critical thinking.

I agree if our common goal is to prevent diseases and properly go about mitigation and intervention. From everything I’ve studied on this topic, the 500lb gorilla in the room usually comes down to sanitation, nutrition, waste management services, availability of clean water, basic bodily substance isolation and PPE for patient care facilities, and overall sense of wellness for humans living in a healthy family/societal environment.

I also recognize that schools are one of the biggest disease vectors for contagion. Same with promiscuity for STDs, which school promotes.

 

[Doctorwho1138]

a subject change kinda. what is your explanation of the building of covid,or it's enhancement at wuhan? the push of the vaccines that have been shown overwhelmingly to have lethal side effects? the outright lies and forcing of it's use? a lot of social/political questions that don't speak to the science.
however,the deliberate lies and frankly mass murder around the covid issue should cause you,or anyone,to question the obviously corrupt medical establishment and it's seeming profit driven homicidal behavior. that people are questioning a narrative of a formally trusted group should be no surprise.
so,2 issues-science,with all it's attendant uncertainty; political and social manipulation and abuse.

I think the Covid vaccine was pushed onto our population with little evidence off its efficacy and possible side effects. It was largely untested and claims were made about it that were completely untrue, ie stopping the the disease. I am completely against the Covid vaccine and how it was forced onto the population. I feel like the drug manufacturers hid the possible side effects and even tried and are still suppressing that information. The virus imo was a lab leaked virus out of Wuhan and the Chinese are 100 percent responsible for its release. The only thing I am defending is traditional vaccines and their efficacy. But I also welcome skepticism and further research in all aspects of their possible harm/side effects and efficacy. Research and scientific advancement should encourage that and that’s supremely important for future knowledge and cures. This applies to everything in medicine. I am strongly opposed to the Covid vaccine. I don’t see the benefits outweighing the risks unless you are elderly or otherwise high at risk. They even had to change the definition of what a vaccine is to make it fit into their little narrative. Forcing a vaccine or any medicine on anyone is undemocratic and is immoral IMO. Those that force it on others should be held responsible. Even though I believe in certain vaccines and their efficacy, that doesn’t apply to every vaccine and I wouldn’t force my beliefs on anyone regarding their health and no one else should either.

 

[Doctorwho1138]

See how the argument changed from the polio rates to whether or not polio existed though?

Who ever said polio never existed? Nobody. It’s a strawman argument that violates the pillar of logic out of the gate, so why are you making that argument?

Vaxopedia is clearly a biased source where every article is in favor of Pharma. Gee, I wonder who is running that website? It would be like going to SIG for safety record information and lawsuits on the P320. So citing Vaxopedia as a source violates the completeness, accuracy, and fairness principles in critical thinking.

I agree if our common goal is to prevent diseases and properly go about mitigation and intervention. From everything I’ve studied on this topic, the 500lb gorilla in the room usually comes down to sanitation, nutrition, waste management services, availability of clean water, basic bodily substance isolation and PPE for patient care facilities, and overall sense of wellness for humans living in a healthy family/societal environment.

I also recognize that schools are one of the biggest disease vectors for contagion. Same with promiscuity for STDs, which school promotes.

You were making an argument that the use of DDT was the cause of polio which is simply not the case (post #89). That’s easily disproven and we know the vector of the disease which we didn’t know at that time. Yes, increasing hygiene standards help curb the spread of disease. That’s undeniable but if that was the only practice that is required to prevent diseases such as polio then perfect hygiene would be the answer. But hygiene alone will be incapable from spreading disease because perfect hygiene doesn’t exist nor will ever exist. As far as the source, that can be verified through other sources but when I was in school studying this stuff that what was taught and it was just as true then as it is today.

 

[LRRPF52]

I think the Covid vaccine was pushed onto our population with little evidence off its efficacy and possible side effects. It was largely untested and claims were made about it that were completely untrue, ie stopping the the disease. I am completely against the Covid vaccine and how it was forced onto the population. I feel like the drug manufacturers hid the possible side effects and even tried and are still suppressing that information. The virus imo was a lab leaked virus out of Wuhan and the Chinese are 100 percent responsible for its release. The only thing I am defending is traditional vaccines and their efficacy. But I also welcome skepticism and further research in all aspects of their possible harm/side effects and efficacy. Research and scientific advancement should encourage that and that’s supremely important for future knowledge and cures. This applies to everything in medicine. I am strongly opposed to the Covid vaccine. I don’t see the benefits outweighing the risks unless you are elderly or otherwise high at risk. They even had to change the definition of what a vaccine is to make it fit into their little narrative. Forcing a vaccine or any medicine on anyone is undemocratic and is immoral IMO. Those that force it on others should be held responsible. Even though I believe in certain vaccines and their efficacy, that doesn’t apply to every vaccine and I wouldn’t force my beliefs on anyone regarding their health and no one else should either.

I did a deep analysis of all relevant keyword data from 1999-2019 to erase any possibility of 2020 information bias on the origins of COVID-19 and the development of countermeasures to the existing SARS-Cov1.

Turns out they were already doing mRNA trials on coronavirus many years before 2019, with Moderna being the main identifiable entity in that space. The other big Pharma companies began experiments and research with mRNA dating way back, because it was advertised as the cure for cancer and other diseases where they could program cells how to manage disease and abnormal mutations. Nobody could ever get the Lipid Nano Capsules to be manufactured with consistent wall thickness, so you either had too quick of a delivery and injurious cytokine response with the thin nanocapsules, or delayed decay of the nano capsules and no efficacy of the contents due to being cooked by body heat.

Moderna, having very limited experience in the entire field, was started by a marketing guy from Europe named Stéphane Bancel, with no medical or epidemiological background. He thought they could make mRNA work, and launched a series of studies on making mRNA combat the flu and the Zika virus. Fauci approached him in 2014 to develop mRNA countermeasures to covid, which his researchers had patented in 2002. Dr. Baric’s name is on the US Patent and Trade Office documents as one of the main researchers, and they describe using chimeric (human-animal hybrids) to make the coronavirus gain threat into the human species.

They used human fetal stem cells from lung tissue, injected that into mice embryos in pregnant mice, in hopes to trigger the growth of human lungs inside the mice. It worked, and thereby gave them large lab populations to test gain-of-threat on the mice using engineered coronavirus cells that had added positively-charged amino acids attached to the spike proteins.

The code was cracked when they got 4 + charge amino acids attached, because they bonded nicely with the - charged human endothelia in the mice/human lung tissue. This was being done at UNC Chapel Hill, not Wuhan. It was banned in 2014, then one of the researchers, Shi Zhengli, picked up shop under Fauci’s support and moved the whole operation to Wuhan where they didn’t give a rip about ethics and safety.

I only analyzed medical research, the USPTO, and investor publications in my searches from 1999-2019.

Pfizer, GSK, and the others were monitoring Moderna’s lack of progress quietly because the more they failed, the more money was given to them by investors, including Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and BARDA. Moderna was using former-soviet biological warfare researchers on their mRNA human trials, and even those guys were throwing the emergency red flag to halt the human-testing.

Here’s a 2017 article on how Moderna kept failing up and got billions, even though their experiments were killing people:
Moderna hits safety problems in bold move to reinvent medicine

 

[LRRPF52]

You were making an argument that the use of DDT was the cause of polio which is simply not the case (post #89). That’s easily disproven and we know the vector of the disease which we didn’t know at that time. Yes, increasing hygiene standards help curb the spread of disease. That’s undeniable but if that was the only practice that is required to prevent diseases such as polio then perfect hygiene would be the answer. But hygiene alone will be incapable from spreading disease because perfect hygiene doesn’t exist nor will ever exist. As far as the source, that can be verified through other sources but when I was in school studying this stuff that what was taught and it was just as true then as it is today.

The history of the polio epidemic that occurred from the late 1800s through the 1950s, then fell off the chart, is corollary to the use of DDT, and DDT has known paralyzing effects on mammals, as well as insects. The introduction of Salk Vaccine came after the rapid decline in polio rates, so what was the variable that changed? We know for a fact looking at the history that it was certain NOT the introduction of Salk vaccine. But every major medical institution still teaches to this day that Salk got rid of polio in the 1950s.

It isn’t easily-disproven because teachers told you in medical school. Especially if those teachers are part of an institution that banks on pharmaceuticals who are incapable of objectivity with financial yields that high.

It would be like saying when you attended SIG Academy, they showed you how safe the P320 is and it never fires inside the holster unless the holster is faulty. But internal documents show they had faulty striker engagement that could spontaneously fire due to gravity shifting the striker bar engagement. The SIG instructors would not be inclined or even informed to share this information with the class. It doesn’t mean the methods, techniques, and marksmanship instruction is bad in any way. But there is a faulty product within the enterprise.

We can separate those not-so-subtle nuances.

 

[Doctorwho1138]

I did a deep analysis of all relevant keyword data from 1999-2019 to erase any possibility of 2020 information bias on the origins of COVID-19 and the development of countermeasures to the existing SARS-Cov1.

Turns out they were already doing mRNA trials on coronavirus many years before 2019, with Moderna being the main identifiable entity in that space. The other big Pharma companies began experiments and research with mRNA dating way back, because it was advertised as the cure for cancer and other diseases where they could program cells how to manage disease and abnormal mutations. Nobody could ever get the Lipid Nano Capsules to be manufactured with consistent wall thickness, so you either had too quick of a delivery and injurious cytokine response with the thin nanocapsules, or delayed decay of the nano capsules and no efficacy of the contents due to being cooked by body heat.

Moderna, having very limited experience in the entire field, was started by a marketing guy from Europe named Stéphane Bancel, with no medical or epidemiological background. He thought they could make mRNA work, and launched a series of studies on making mRNA combat the flu and the Zika virus. Fauci approached him in 2014 to develop mRNA countermeasures to covid, which his researchers had patented in 2002. Dr. Baric’s name is on the US Patent and Trade Office documents as one of the main researchers, and they describe using chimeric (human-animal hybrids) to make the coronavirus gain threat into the human species.

They used human fetal stem cells from lung tissue, injected that into mice embryos in pregnant mice, in hopes to trigger the growth of human lungs inside the mice. It worked, and thereby gave them large lab populations to test gain-of-threat on the mice using engineered coronavirus cells that had added positively-charged amino acids attached to the spike proteins.

The code was cracked when they got 4 + charge amino acids attached, because they bonded nicely with the - charged human endothelia in the mice/human lung tissue. This was being done at UNC Chapel Hill, not Wuhan. It was banned in 2014, then one of the researchers, Shi Zhengli, picked up shop under Fauci’s support and moved the whole operation to Wuhan where they didn’t give a rip about ethics and safety.

I only analyzed medical research, the USPTO, and investor publications in my searches from 1999-2019.

Pfizer, GSK, and the others were monitoring Moderna’s lack of progress quietly because the more they failed, the more money was given to them by investors, including Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and BARDA. Moderna was using former-soviet biological warfare researchers on their mRNA human trials, and even those guys were throwing the emergency red flag to halt the human-testing.

Here’s a 2017 article on how Moderna kept failing up and got billions, even though their experiments were killing people:
Moderna hits safety problems in bold move to reinvent medicine

That’s a lot to chew on. I don’t doubt any of it. Big pharma has gotten too big and too much money is being made to not be skeptical. The way Covid came about was unprecedented and its reaction to it by the world at large is unprecedented. What happened is a travesty to everyone and it needs to be thoroughly investigated and the appropriate punishments levied out.

 

[Doctorwho1138]

The history of the polio epidemic that occurred from the late 1800s through the 1950s, then fell off the chart, is corollary to the use of DDT, and DDT has known paralyzing effects on mammals, as well as insects. The introduction of Salk Vaccine came after the rapid decline in polio rates, so what was the variable that changed? We know for a fact looking at the history that it was certain NOT the introduction of Salk vaccine. But every major medical institution still teaches to this day that Salk got rid of polio in the 1950s.

It isn’t easily-disproven because teachers told you in medical school. Especially if those teachers are part of an institution that banks on pharmaceuticals who are incapable of objectivity with financial yields that high.

It would be like saying when you attended SIG Academy, they showed you how safe the P320 is and it never fires inside the holster unless the holster is faulty. But internal documents show they had faulty striker engagement that could spontaneously fire due to gravity shifting the striker bar engagement. The SIG instructors would not be inclined or even informed to share this information with the class. It doesn’t mean the methods, techniques, and marksmanship instruction is bad in any way. But there is a faulty product within the enterprise.

We can separate those not-so-subtle nuances.

Polio vaccine plays a critical role in eradicating polio; polio is caused by a virus, not by DDT

Polio is an infectious disease caused by the poliovirus. The polio vaccine has been critical in the fight against polio. According to the World Health Organization, the vaccine has prevented more than 13 million cases of polio and reduced polio cases by more than 99%.

healthfeedback.org

I will guarantee you that if we stopped vaccine usage in its entirety we will see a large uptick in once thought of as eradicated disease spring up everywhere including first world countries. I hope and pray that it doesn’t come to that but you have your opinion and I have mine.

 

[LRRPF52]

Polio vaccine plays a critical role in eradicating polio; polio is caused by a virus, not by DDT

Polio is an infectious disease caused by the poliovirus. The polio vaccine has been critical in the fight against polio. According to the World Health Organization, the vaccine has prevented more than 13 million cases of polio and reduced polio cases by more than 99%.

healthfeedback.org

I will guarantee you that if we stopped vaccine usage in its entirety we will see a large uptick in once thought of as eradicated disease spring up everywhere including first world countries. I hope and pray that it doesn’t come to that but you have your opinion and I have mine.

In 2024, are you genuinely referring to the WHO as a legitimate source?

Same question for the CDC?

Have you ever considered the potential of foreign actors hijacking the CDC and WHO to use for their purposes against the US?

It was one of the main initiatives of the Soviets and CCP. If you know you can’t fight an enemy toe-to-toe in Full Scale Warfare, what do you do?

The only way is to attack him from within over a long period of death by a thousands cuts. Hijacking his internal biological warfare research would make a pretty huge cut, don’t you agree?

 

[Doctorwho1138]

In 2024, are you genuinely referring to the WHO as a legitimate source?

Same question for the CDC?

Have you ever considered the potential of foreign actors hijacking the CDC and WHO to use for their purposes against the US?

It was one of the main initiatives of the Soviets and CCP. If you know you can’t fight an enemy toe-to-toe in Full Scale Warfare, what do you do?

The only way is to attack him from within over a long period of death by a thousands cuts. Hijacking his internal biological warfare research would make a pretty huge cut, don’t you agree?

This information has long been established and yes I think that at one point the medical community was a trusted source. Now after what happened with Covid, that has been met with serious skepticism and concerns over how data has been reported and used. All of the data that is out there even the data that you want to cite has been gathered somewhere and maybe even with an agenda. The anti vaccine crowd has always been present and will continue to be present for the foreseeable future. I hope and pray that someday the public at large will regain the trust that we once had in the medical
Community.

 

[mosin46]

fair enough. i am not opposed to the "classic" vaccines. i was here before salk came about and remember the travel planning parents did around reported outbreaks. yea,i think salk did away with polio for the most part. small pox,mmr same. i can say from personal experience and observation that the annual push of flu vaccines (hugely ineffective but profitable) is total lies exploiting trust in the system. that is the issue. if lies are told and exposed about 1 part of an issue assuming lies about the rest is not irrational.the hidden addition of rmna elements in current vaccines with no research or notification of their presence is a serious abuse of trust. reg people have no knowledge of many very complex issues and it is hard to acquire and understand. my limited knowledge but large experience in the med field have always had me sceptical of medical pontification. the statin/fat lies pushing pharma/big food profit are shinning examples of medical malfeasance. the biggest crime might be causing thinking people to doubt and avoid benifical procedures
your approach to the questions is reasoned,valid and largely verifiable.

 

[nagantguy]

so from what I gather from the previously mentioned fucktards - WHO - CDC - and big pharma manufacturers were 100% legit and honest and transparent BEFORE Covid .

No lies no vax death or injury no medication made to just barely treat a disease instead any attempt at cure .

Thats the basis for judgement- pre Covid no lies by unaccountable multi billion dollar corporations with liability for their products?

Holy fuck we are doomed

 

[Doctorwho1138]

No, certainly not. All you would have to look at is the whole Vioxx controversy as just one example but by and large I think the medical community have a pretty decent job of admitting when things weren’t working and causing harm to patients. Is it perfect? No and medical malfeasance is the third leading cause of death in America. If anyone chooses to ignore the medical advice of their doctors then that’s on them. Look no further than Steve Jobs and see where that got him.

 

[mosin46]

got to disagree with DRs admitting mistakes. have seen very little of that over the 40+ years i worked around them. in today's EMR obsessed world they keep flogging the same approved and compensated line. not all but most. the one's who spoke out against the covid abomination and suffered for that are true heros.

 

[Rthur]

How about a peek into who, the pharma companies, was fined billions prior to 2019/10/30?
Who prescribed these treatments/medications?
Who prescribed the opioids that kicked off that class action suit on said?
Are there programs from pharma that pay percentages for volume of prescriptions?

R

 

[W54/XM-388]

Something everyone forgets in all this Vaccine pushing B.S. is that for most of history and most of even this country up until recently, cases of many "childhood diseases" were essentially a not important statistic as the only thing that anyone really cared about was if someone actually died or had serious complications from them.

In that aspect, good solid nutrition for Children and the availability of good food and good living and a better standard of life did more than anything else to make sure many of the things that the idiots today pushing vaccines try to say will kill unvaccinated people were simply minor inconveniences.

Back in my day as a kid you were expected to get and quickly recover from most / all the standard "childhood diseases"

Measels
German Measels
Chickenpox
Mumps

I got them all and so did hundreds of other children I knew, and nobody I knew of all those ever needed to go to the hospital for any of that.

Now some other things yep they can get you pretty hard.
Smallpox isn't something you want to mess around with, but even before vaccines, folks started understanding you go get cowpox first, you'll be good.
And well Rabies is pretty much one of the things that got folks interested in vaccine taking in a big way.

Now you head to the backwoods of Asia and Africa and there is some pretty nasty stuff you really don't want to get...

 

[LRRPF52]

so from what I gather from the previously mentioned fucktards - WHO - CDC - and big pharma manufacturers were 100% legit and honest and transparent BEFORE Covid .

No lies no vax death or injury no medication made to just barely treat a disease instead any attempt at cure .

Thats the basis for judgement- pre Covid no lies by unaccountable multi billion dollar corporations with liability for their products?

Holy fuck we are doomed

Yeah, the idea that everything pre-COVID was altruistic, safe, and operating in a high-efficacy environment relative to countermeasures doesn’t pass basic inspection.

One of the most overlooked things on this topic was how Trump’s HHS from 2017-2020 authorized 900-1000 generic drugs each year, and Pharma hated that with a deep passion because it hurt their yield expectations from prior years. They’re used to buying off these little empty suit politician fags in both parties so they have the deck stacked in their favor in Congress, the DNC, and RNC no matter what.

Trump didn’t need their money and just wanted to solve the problem of consumer drug prices, so they ran 24/7 media attacks on him through their corporate networks. I checked every board of every media conglomerate, and without fail, they all have senior execs from Pharma on every one of them.

But prior to all of that, people from the grassroots were organically asking why their kids were fine and on-track developmentally, then after getting their 1yr vaccine schedule, got really sick, exhibited neurological problems, and became developmentally-disabled.

Anecdotally, everyone I have discreetly asked about this has said their kids were fine until those vaccines, then became autistic. This includes family members and people across multiple Church congregations over the decades.

The other thing I noticed is that the whistleblowers within the research or medical side immediately have their character and careers attacked, without a meritorious discussion of the facts. That isn’t a good look, because it’s meant to send a message to other practitioners that if they don’t toe the line, their livelihood and credentials will be yanked.

 

[Rthur]

See you guys are so fucked up you made me agree with him.

God damn.

Inevitable.
Your feels still being hurt has delayed the obvious.

R