Rifle Scopes Noob needs help with his first scope.

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Before I begin I'd like to say hello to everyone on these forums. This is my first post on these forums and hopefully one of many that contribute to the community here. Being that I'm new to most of the aspects of the kind of shooting that is discussed here, I'll mostly be here to observe and learn. So please take it easy on the new guy.

Being a casual and regular shooter for about 3 years now, I've learned that blasting paper at the 25 or 100yd. line with a pistol or rifle is only satisfying for so long before it becomes repetitive. And after using a few different friends hunting rifles as well as a target rifle, all with scopes, I've found that shooting for accuracy, skill, and groupings at a distance is infinitely more rewarding and enjoyable at the end of a range trip.

That said, I recently bought an 18" SPR upper from BCM. The reason being is that I am familiar with the platform, already own another AR, have a number of spare parts I can use, and because I enjoy and prefer the AR over most other options. Now that I've got that sorted out, I guess it's time to get down to business for why I'm making this thread. A scope.

I've been doing my homework and learning about scopes for the past few days. I understand the parts of the scope and their names, what 3-10x46m means, what FOV, parallax, etc. means. Now to make a decision. From what I've learned, in time and after honing my skill, I should be able to push this kind of a rifle up to around 600 or 700m max (please correct me if this is wrong as it is my understanding from reading various forums including this one). I'd like to buy a scope that can get me up to these ranges with relative ease and accuracy in time, and from my homework I've decided that I'd like an adjustable scope, somewhere around 3x to 12x, with an objective lens of 42mm or larger, but not exceeding 50mm. If anyone has any recommendations or corrections for these specifications, please feel free to tell me.

I have a budget of $900 and I'm more than willing to spend a bit more if there's an option that is particularly or significantly better for the extra bill. That said, here is an option that I've been looking at. A "Zeiss 4.5-14x44mm Conquest".

I apologize if this message was exceedingly long and drawn out, but I felt it necessary to attempt to make a good impression on my first post as well as to address the specifics of what I'm looking for. Thank you in advance for all of your help.
 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

Welcome to the forum. I'm still kinda new myself.

You never said what you would be mounting the scope on. Will you be hunting or just punching paper with it?
 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

Sounds like your off to a good start, lucky for you, you seem to have a good budget for your first scope.(bigger than mine anyway)
If you are looking for a good scope for roughly less than $1k, the Zeiss you mentioned would be a great scope, there are many others too. I have had great experiience with the Leupolds, Nikons, and I just bought the new Vortex PST, any of the higher end scopes from these folks would do you well.For starters I would recomend something fairly simple to keep you from getting too wound up in the details. Other than that, its kinda vague, but maybe if you had a little more info on your intentions.
 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MCC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Welcome to the forum. I'm still kinda new myself.

You never said what you would be mounting the scope on. Will you be hunting or just punching paper with it? </div></div>

Hello, and thank you. Oh, my mistake. I guess my mentioning of the upper in my first post wasn't specific enough, sorry about that. Anyways, the scope is going to be mounted on an AR, an 18" 5.56 NATO SPR build from BCM. For the time being and until I get better, this will be for punching paper at the range.
 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coldboremiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like your off to a good start, lucky for you, you seem to have a good budget for your first scope.(bigger than mine anyway)
If you are looking for a good scope for roughly less than $1k, the Zeiss you mentioned would be a great scope, there are many others too. I have had great experiience with the Leupolds, Nikons, and I just bought the new Vortex PST, any of the higher end scopes from these folks would do you well.For starters I would recomend something fairly simple to keep you from getting too wound up in the details. Other than that, its kinda vague, but maybe if you had a little more info on your intentions. </div></div>

Yes, I've done a bit of reading and I've come to an understanding that the quality of optics should reflect or even exceed the quality of the rifle. This is the biggest problem at this point in making a decision. Understanding the brands, models, and lines of scopes available. Understanding which company has a higher reputation for quality and consistency, knowing certain faults or imperfections that certain companies may have issues with, etc.

It's a bit startling at first, but for now I'm looking at the Zeiss and Leupold lines. Trijicon Accupoints are another option, though I'm slightly skeptical after reading one review that stated their glass was a bit "fuzzy".
 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

I have 3 of the Conquests now and they are great scopes. I use them on hunting rifles. The one thing that I will caution you on with them is the lack of internal adjustment compared to other scopes. The are a 1" tube and not 30mm. Not trying to steer you away from them as I really like the ones that I have.
 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

IMO you can't go wrong with Leupold. Great glass, great warranty and a great company. I wouldn't worry much about an obj. larger than 40mm if your just going to be shooting at the range. Don't really see the need to spend the extra money if your not hunting in low light. My personal favorite is the 4.5-14 VX-III. This should have plenty of magnification out to 500 yds. and shouldn't have to contend with as much mirage as a higher mag scope. The new Leupold CDS scopes look like they might be pretty cool. This is just my opinion so take it for what it's worth. Good luck with the purchase.
 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

If I was you, I would call SWFA and ask Chris what he recommends for you within your budget for an Optics System so you get the mounting solution and the scope. You will get basically your budget's worth of scope this way. AR's, unless htey are serious competitions shooters are still a 2 moa gun at best, and close to a 1moa on a real good day
The next level in my opinion is wasted on an AR unless it's an $1100 USO SN4 4x, but that is a CQB/Perimeter defense scope.
 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

Oh boy, lots of responses to answer to.
@head2h2o: I'm liking the look of the conquest, too, but as I said I'm still quite new and unfamiliar with the more detailed specifics of scopes. Could you educate me on their inability to adjust internally and what that means to me? Also could you educate me on the situation or problem the 1" tube creates compared to the 30mm?

@MCC: Yes, I'm definitely looking more into the Leupold scopes now. They look quite promising.

@Switchblade: Suggestion noted. I will shoot them an email or make a call and see what he has to say. Definitely won't be defending the Alamo with this, lol.

Thanks for the helpful input so far from everyone.
 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

I copied this from another thread to save time.

Coming from a Tactical scope bias I'm going to deviate from your restrictions a little just so I can give you the "heads up" on the Bushnell 30mm tube 4200 series 3-12x44 FFP mil/mil.

It's an incredibly versatile rifle scope.Perfectly suited on a 22LR or a centerfire.Seriously a fantastic scope for the price.

It's a medium sized scope,isn't heavy,has very clear glass,tracks well and has nice tactile turrets in .1 mil increments with moderate adjustment range.

IMO...You could spend a thousand dollars more on a scope and not get much more in return for the extra money.I couldn't make this same statement about the various Burris,Leupold,Nikon,Horus and other scopes I've owned and sold the last few years. I have a USO and a NF which are great scopes but the aforementioned scope gives up "very" little to them.

Did you study the differences between FFP and SFP ?

Steve



 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: steve123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I copied this from another thread to save time.

Coming from a Tactical scope bias I'm going to deviate from your restrictions a little just so I can give you the "heads up" on the Bushnell 30mm tube 4200 series 3-12x44 FFP mil/mil.

It's an incredibly versatile rifle scope.Perfectly suited on a 22LR or a centerfire.Seriously a fantastic scope for the price.

It's a medium sized scope,isn't heavy,has very clear glass,tracks well and has nice tactile turrets in .1 mil increments with moderate adjustment range.

IMO...You could spend a thousand dollars more on a scope and not get much more in return for the extra money.I couldn't make this same statement about the various Burris,Leupold,Nikon,Horus and other scopes I've owned and sold the last few years. I have a USO and a NF which are great scopes but the aforementioned scope gives up "very" little to them.

Did you study the differences between FFP and SFP ?

Steve



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Hmmm, even more to think about and consider now. I still think I'd like to drop a bit more just for the certainty of something, but your suggestion has been very helpful. I have read on FFP and SFP, but I'm still not even quite sure I understand it entirely or at all. Care to explain it to me a little, please?
 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

Go to the optics FAQ thread in this forum and there will be a few good explanations.There are more than a few conveniences especially with a mil reticle and mil turrets.

Take your time and read as much as you can.Better yet start a thread asking for Hiders in your local to meet up with so you can see the differences first hand.

Steve
 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

For some local help in Northern Nevada (Elko) my buddy Farns down at gun world could get you a great set up if thats the area your in.....

Good Luck to ya!!
 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

Doing so now, steve123, thanks again for the help. On another note, is there any general consensus on Trijicon Accupoints?
The more that I'm looking at them and reading, the more that I'm liking and considering them over other options.
 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SavageYoteSmokin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For some local help in Northern Nevada (Elko) my buddy Farns down at gun world could get you a great set up if thats the area your in.....

Good Luck to ya!! </div></div>

Northern is closer, but Elko is a good 3 hours from me, a bit further than I'm willing to drive. Thanks for the advice and recommendation though.
 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

So that puts you down by Ely... I have to hook ups down there.

I probably would do what Switchblade said to do and call up SWFA their customer service is great, and they want nothing but the best for you. I can vouch for that.
 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SavageYoteSmokin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So that puts you down by Ely... I have to hook ups down there.

I probably would do what Switchblade said to do and call up SWFA their customer service is great, and they want nothing but the best for you. I can vouch for that. </div></div>

Yeah, that's looking like my best bet. I'm starting to get a bit overwhelmed by all the options. I guess that's it for now, and in the meantime I'll do more homework. Thanks to all.
 
Re: Noob needs help with his first scope.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Soliner</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Doing so now, steve123, thanks again for the help. On another note, is there any general consensus on Trijicon Accupoints?
The more that I'm looking at them and reading, the more that I'm liking and considering them over other options. </div></div>

That's a scope brand I haven't owned so I can't make any comments about them but I can't recall seeing one at any tactical matches which would make me skeptical about them.I did notice that they are mildot reticle and MOA turrets.A situation that I've rectified by selling all my scopes that were mil/moa.

Steve