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thanks for all your hard work!Ok gents. I got 3 boxes from optic planet. I sleuthed the load , (pulled the bullets down and weighed the powder, projectile, and primed brass) on the rounds. 41.3,41.5,41.6 gr of a short-med graphite color stick powder. Looks ver similar to AA-4350. I got avg velocity of 2900 fps with a 20” barrel. Accuracy is 3/4” at 100. That’s about as good of a shooter I am with good Hand loads. POI was very close to my zero with my Peterson SRP , 41.8 gr H4350 112 match burners that also give me 2900. For reference other factory loads; Hornady black have me 2800 fps with a. 20” bbl. Sierra was 2785 with an es of 25 and consistent 40.0 gr charges of a nearly identical powder.
What kind of ES/SDs and how many over the chronograph?Ok gents. I got 3 boxes from optic planet. I sleuthed the load , (pulled the bullets down and weighed the powder, projectile, and primed brass) on the rounds. 41.3,41.5,41.6 gr of a short-med graphite color stick powder. Looks ver similar to AA-4350. I got avg velocity of 2900 fps with a 20” barrel. Accuracy is 3/4” at 100. That’s about as good of a shooter I am with good Hand loads. POI was very close to my zero with my Peterson SRP , 41.8 gr H4350 112 match burners that also give me 2900. For reference other factory loads; Hornady black have me 2800 fps with a. 20” bbl. Sierra was 2785 with an es of 25 and consistent 40.0 gr charges of a nearly identical powder.
Ive seen similar reviews about the Barnes 112 match ammo. kinda crappy to need a cartridge comparator for any factory load. thanks for the info., I had a similar experience with some 115 Nosler RDF's at 2.775 that I handloadedI found my high pressure cause in the Norma Precision Match ammunition I have. First, let me say this was no fault of Norma’s. Secondly, I’m disappointed in myself for not figuring this out earlier.
So what is the problem? There really isn’t a problem per se, it’s a compatibility issue. My barrel is a Shilen chambered with their spec reamer which uses a .275” neck. My Norma ammunition measures .2745” to .2750”. There is no room for the bullet to release properly. The grip on the bullet is such that it’s causing high pressure to build before the bullet is finally forced out of the case and down the barrel.
I was talking with my buddy tonight about the high pressures I was having and it made me think about what I would check if this was ammunition I was hand loading. Then it dawned on my that this is acting like rounds that have too little neck clearance. That made me think about a post Northland Shooters Supply made about the Shilen reamers and how the neck was smalller than SAAMI spec. SAAMI is .277” and Shilen uses .275”. I went home and measure my loaded factory rounds and there it was. My barrels not compatible with this ammo. My fired case necks were smaller than loaded rounds.
Not all is lost though. I have a bunch of Hornady Black ammo and it measures .271” loaded so I can use that and reload those cases in this barrel. Buy time it’s loaded it a few times it will be time for another barrel anyway.
I have another 6 Creedmoor with SAAMI spec chamber so I should be able to shoot up the Norma ammo in it.
Moral of the story, make sure everything is compatible before you go too far off the beaten path.
I found my high pressure cause in the Norma Precision Match ammunition I have. First, let me say this was no fault of Norma’s. Secondly, I’m disappointed in myself for not figuring this out earlier.
So what is the problem? There really isn’t a problem per se, it’s a compatibility issue. My barrel is a Shilen chambered with their spec reamer which uses a .275” neck. My Norma ammunition measures .2745” to .2750”. There is no room for the bullet to release properly. The grip on the bullet is such that it’s causing high pressure to build before the bullet is finally forced out of the case and down the barrel.
I was talking with my buddy tonight about the high pressures I was having and it made me think about what I would check if this was ammunition I was hand loading. Then it dawned on my that this is acting like rounds that have too little neck clearance. That made me think about a post Northland Shooters Supply made about the Shilen reamers and how the neck was smalller than SAAMI spec. SAAMI is .277” and Shilen uses .275”. I went home and measure my loaded factory rounds and there it was. My barrels not compatible with this ammo. My fired case necks were smaller than loaded rounds.
Not all is lost though. I have a bunch of Hornady Black ammo and it measures .271” loaded so I can use that and reload those cases in this barrel. Buy time it’s loaded it a few times it will be time for another barrel anyway.
I have another 6 Creedmoor with SAAMI spec chamber so I should be able to shoot up the Norma ammo in it.
Moral of the story, make sure everything is compatible before you go too far off the beaten path.
I’d also like to revive this old one. Has anyone else tested or shot this 6 Creed Norma Golden Match recently? It seems to be readily available right now and significantly less expensive than the competition. And if it is actually loaded with Norma brass, it’s light years better than saving/using the Hornady fired brass from the 108 ELD’s I’m currently shooting out of my PVA barrel.
IMO the chamber needs a SAAMI sized neck, .277”, if the batch of Norma 6 Creedmoor ammo I have is typical. They have .2745”-.275” necks. I typically like more clearance than that, but it seems to be fine in my PVA chambered barrel. @bohem could answer if they use a SAAMI sized neck or larger. I have another barrel I ordered with .278” neck and it works fine as well. My Shilen with .275” neck was giving me fits until I figured out I was using incompatible items.I'm not convinced the norma brass is a good thing in the case of the 6 creed unless you have a chamber with a large neck dimension..
That’s super impressive! Thanks for sharing. With SD’s and ES’s like that for the 6.5, why even bother handloading. Do you happen to have Magnetospeed chrono data for the 6mm Creed?
It shoots really good. I had a 1 hole group at a 100yds. SD of 9 and ES of 22..... 6 creed Curtis action and barrel. 1:7 26" 3025 average velocityI’d also like to revive this old one. Has anyone else tested or shot this 6 Creed Norma Golden Match recently? It seems to be readily available right now and significantly less expensive than the competition. And if it is actually loaded with Norma brass, it’s light years better than saving/using the Hornady fired brass from the 108 ELD’s I’m currently shooting out of my PVA barrel.
4 where same hole I pulled one ... Overall very impressed! Highly recommend it
Same! It honestly shoots really wellI've shot 2 or 3 prs matches with the 107gr 6mm cm, and I didn't miss any targets because of the ammo. I'm holding about .4 in my mpa/curtis rig. That's probably limited by my ability.
That’s super impressive! Thanks for sharing. With SD’s and ES’s like that for the 6.5, why even bother handloading. Do you happen to have Magnetospeed chrono data for the 6mm Creed?
as good as everything you see in the thread. bugholes @100. consistent hits all the way to a mile+.It better shoot w that kind of commitment
You must have got a nice deal!! None of my reloads are close to pre rolled.as good as everything you see in the thread. bugholes @100. consistent hits all the way to a mile+.
312 G7 @ 2680 fps, little slow but incredibly cheap for how good it performs... like less than rolling my own, cost wise.
Hi, all. I'm not finding much info on the Norma 6CM Golden Target. I bought some to try and COAL is only 2.600". Seems ridiculously short, bullet is obviously seated very, very deep. In the pic: Norma on the left next to Sierra Competition 107gr 2.730", Berger 105gr Hybrid 2.789" and Hornady Match 108gr 2.794" (all factory loads). Is this typical for this ammo or do i have a grossly defective lot? No response from Norma yet. Like others have said, 0.275" neck. Thanks.
Thanks for the measurements, wind gypsy! I'll call Norma.Yeah, that seems out of whack! I just measured one of my factory 107 golden target rounds @ 2.742" COAL. Dont know WTF Norma's deal is on this 6 creed ammo. Between the very thick necks and your COAL issue, i'm surprised they sell stuff like this.
Arrived this week. I don't know if this is the lot number. If not, let me know where to look, please.Do you have a lot number for the short ammo? Recent purchase? Thanks