Official (DTA) SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: New Shooter Dan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys,

New employee of DTA's and basically noob to most things shooting...

<span style="color: #FF0000">DTA SRS Covert w 16" barrel chambered in .308
DTM .338 match ammo</span> </div></div>

338 ammo out of a 308? That might be a problem, haha.

Welcome and I love how your picture covers up the caribou head with your DTA. Gotta have priorities!
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Halcyon612</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: New Shooter Dan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys,

New employee of DTA's and basically noob to most things shooting...

<span style="color: #FF0000">DTA SRS Covert w 16" barrel chambered in .308
DTM .338 match ammo</span> </div></div>

338 ammo out of a 308? That might be a problem, haha.

Welcome and I love how your picture covers up the caribou head with your DTA. Gotta have priorities! </div></div>

I am pretty sure that is an 18" .338 LM, as it is a few inches longer than the 16" barrel and is utilizing the .338 Muzzle Brake.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: New Shooter Dan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey guys,

New employee of DTA's and basically noob to most things shooting...

Got the opportunity to do a caribou hunt on the north slope of Alaska a few weeks back. had a great time and got into some bou...

DTA SRS Covert w 16" barrel chambered in .308
DTM .338 match ammo
250 yds on the move

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Great Pic. I plan on doing a hunt like this one day with my DTA.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Was it like shooting a flame thrower? Bet you were missing some eye brows, and your ears were bleeding. Did it blow the windows out of your truck that was sitting 50 yards away? Might as well put a two foot barrel on a howitzer! Mags aren't worth it with less than a 22" barrel, I personally wouldn't go less than 24-26", my daddy used a 26" barrel. Surprised that bullet didn't bounce off.... Might as well been shooting a 308!

There, went ahead and got that out of the way before the naysayers could get here.... (if you can't tell I've been getting harassed over even thinking about getting a short barrel mag)


Badass rig bro. I'd love one if I could afford to feed the monster. Been considering getting an 18" 300wm barrel for my DTA for a while now. Sounds like a great combo. OAL = less than an M4 and still delivers over 1000ft-lbs of energy at 1000 yards.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Extreme454</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone have any results to share with their HTI in 375 Cheytac?

Groups?
Accuracy?
Loads?
Etc...

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The man you need to talk to is Russ1911 here on the hide, he has been doing extensive load testing and shooting through the HTI since it's release. As well as being a manufacturer of high quality .375CT ammunition.
 
Re: Chamber shrinkage?

I've seen a similar thing happen in some machinegun chambers. Its due to a coating on the cases that seems to build up over time and with heat that causes cases to stick or not fit. The coating can be something that was originally put on the case for easier extraction or something that contaminated them later. In WWI phosgene and mustard gas caused some serious issues with ammo chambering or sticking in the chamber. I'm not saying that the ammo you're using is coated with something from the factory however...its possible that something you're using for lube or cleaning solvent could be affecting it. WD40 and similar types of lube can create a varnish of a sort that will build up over time. Just something to think about.
As for the idea of aluminum building up in the chamber I don't think thats a possibility. Yes the SRS receiver is aluminum but only the bolt is in moving contact with the receiver and at least on the rifles I've seen there isn't enough wear to cause any sort of issues like this. For a reality check on this look at all the millions of AR's (M16's) out there made of aluminum with the bolt carrier running 900rpm in hot guns against an aluminum surface in a sandbox. Talk about wearing a surface away....no issues with AR chambers closing up. If the wear in an AR doesn't fill a chamber with aluminum do you think a bolt action will? Look at real possibilities first like the cleaning solution, lube and what ammo you are using. If you reload what sort of case lube do you use and how do you clean it off? Did you clean the chamber of the barrel out well when you got the rifle? There could have been some preservative oil in the bore and chamber for shipping. Lots of possibilities here but aluminum isn't up high on the list.

Hope that helps some.

Frank
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ColdBoreMiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Extreme454</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone have any results to share with their HTI in 375 Cheytac?

Groups?
Accuracy?
Loads?
Etc...

</div></div>
The man you need to talk to is Russ1911 here on the hide, he has been doing extensive load testing and shooting through the HTI since it's release. As well as being a manufacturer of high quality .375CT ammunition. </div></div>

Close, RussW1911. Thanks CBM.

E454. Probably safe to say that I have more rounds through the HTI than anyone. Actually very safe to say. I have done EXTENSIVE shooting and load development in both the .375 CT and .50 BMG.

The Desert Tactical Munitions .375 is holding 1/2 MOA beyond 1000 yards. We shot it at 1900 last Thursday so one of the salesman could get familiar. Vertical was well under 1MOA.

The Ave velocity of the Solid projo that we are loading is 3120 fps and we are getting ES in the single digits up to 12 fps. The facebook page for DTM has video of the chronograph.

I am extremely impressed with the Barrels that LWalther turned out. They are firing both the solid projos and cup/core bullets very well.

If you have any questions you want addressed, feel free to give me a call at the office.

Russ
1(801)990-0571
 
Re: Chamber shrinkage?

I can say by 100% the aluminum has nothing to do with a tight chamber, Even if you were clamping your chassis screws to the point of stripping threads, that still wouldnt compress your chamber tight enough to restrict feeding, I would have a smitty check it out or send it to DTA they have a great warranty dept.I would have to say some kind of build up or something similar.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RussW1911 ®</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ColdBoreMiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Extreme454</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone have any results to share with their HTI in 375 Cheytac?

Groups?
Accuracy?
Loads?
Etc...

</div></div>
The man you need to talk to is Russ1911 here on the hide, he has been doing extensive load testing and shooting through the HTI since it's release. As well as being a manufacturer of high quality .375CT ammunition. </div></div>

Close, RussW1911. Thanks CBM.

E454. Probably safe to say that I have more rounds through the HTI than anyone. Actually very safe to say. I have done EXTENSIVE shooting and load development in both the .375 CT and .50 BMG.

The Desert Tactical Munitions .375 is holding 1/2 MOA beyond 1000 yards. We shot it at 1900 last Thursday so one of the salesman could get familiar. Vertical was well under 1MOA.

The Ave velocity of the Solid projo that we are loading is 3120 fps and we are getting ES in the single digits up to 12 fps. The facebook page for DTM has video of the chronograph.

I am extremely impressed with the Barrels that LWalther turned out. They are firing both the solid projos and cup/core bullets very well.

If you have any questions you want addressed, feel free to give me a call at the office.

Russ


1(801)990-0571 </div></div>

Hi Russ I am also interested in the HTI platform particularly the .50. This being a forum I'm sure there are many others who are curious as well. Can you when you get a chance please put some of your findings with regard to load development, accuracy, and general feel for this platform in the .50 caliber, so everyone can learn from your efforts? Thank you so much.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 78steeler</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...Hi Russ I am also interested in the HTI platform particularly the .50. This being a forum I'm sure there are many others who are curious as well. Can you when you get a chance please put some of your findings with regard to load development, accuracy, and general feel for this platform in the .50 caliber, so everyone can learn from your efforts? Thank you so much. </div></div>

...and maybe even mention what developments you see in store for the HTI...
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nukes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...and maybe even mention what developments you see in store for the HTI...</div></div>

Like:

- .510DTC conversion kit of CA shooters
- .338 SnipeTac conversion kit (because it's awesome)
- HTI Covert Handguard Conversion
- 22" .50BMG Conversion kit (for the above)

Just some things I'd like to see
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Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 78steeler</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RussW1911 ®</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ColdBoreMiracle</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Extreme454</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone have any results to share with their HTI in 375 Cheytac?

Groups?
Accuracy?
Loads?
Etc...

</div></div>
The man you need to talk to is Russ1911 here on the hide, he has been doing extensive load testing and shooting through the HTI since it's release. As well as being a manufacturer of high quality .375CT ammunition. </div></div>

Close, RussW1911. Thanks CBM.

E454. Probably safe to say that I have more rounds through the HTI than anyone. Actually very safe to say. I have done EXTENSIVE shooting and load development in both the .375 CT and .50 BMG.

The Desert Tactical Munitions .375 is holding 1/2 MOA beyond 1000 yards. We shot it at 1900 last Thursday so one of the salesman could get familiar. Vertical was well under 1MOA.

The Ave velocity of the Solid projo that we are loading is 3120 fps and we are getting ES in the single digits up to 12 fps. The facebook page for DTM has video of the chronograph.

I am extremely impressed with the Barrels that LWalther turned out. They are firing both the solid projos and cup/core bullets very well.

If you have any questions you want addressed, feel free to give me a call at the office.

Russ


1(801)990-0571 </div></div>

Hi Russ I am also interested in the HTI platform particularly the .50. This being a forum I'm sure there are many others who are curious as well. Can you when you get a chance please put some of your findings with regard to load development, accuracy, and general feel for this platform in the .50 caliber, so everyone can learn from your efforts? Thank you so much. </div></div>

The .50 shoots better than my personal .50's I have owned in the past. Im just not a huge BMG fan personally. I don't need to fire rounds with payload. Our .50 BMG ammo is averaging 2830 fps with our current lot of powder. We are firing the 750 AMax, but I would like to produce a load with solid projos if the customer base is there. I try to do my accuracy testing at a bit closer ranges so there are less environmental factors to consider and lets face it, I live in the desert and mirage can be a bugger when trying to shoot tight groups. On thursday of last week we shot 3 groups at 500 yards with the production load. First shooter had 3" of vertical. Second shooter had 3" of vertical spread. My group had 2" of vertical. Velocities were right where we wanted them.

As for my personal feelings on the HTI. I repeat, I AM NOT a .50 BMG fan, that said my calibrated shoulder tells me that it recoils less than my McMillan did. It def recoils less than my Ferret did. I attribute that to the shooter being above the bore line as apposed to behind it on a conventional rifle. With my personal handloads the HTI shoots circles around the McM and is on par or slightly better than the Ferret. Those handloads are using match DAG brass and RWS primers. Using Winchester brass and AMax's, I am overly impressed with the Walther barrels. As I said about the .375, these barrels are just flat shooting extremely well.

When Nick (SR90) the owner went out with us to shoot the HTI, he shot a 5 shot group at 2000 yards that was well under MOA. I am overly impressed with the .50 platform for what it is. I will stick with the .375 for my personal shooting.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dogtown</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nukes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...and maybe even mention what developments you see in store for the HTI...</div></div>

Like:

- .510DTC conversion kit of CA shooters
- .338 SnipeTac conversion kit (because it's awesome)
- HTI Covert Handguard Conversion
- 22" .50BMG Conversion kit (for the above)

Just some things I'd like to see
wink.gif
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Beyond my paygrade..... haha. I personally don't think I would push the CA legal .510. Thats just me though.

.338 SnipeTac....meh. Is it SAAMI yet?

I am whole heartedly on board with the .50 Covert. I have already told Nick that I would love to see this and he showed some interest. I could get behind the 50 for that. would cut a little bit of weight off my .375 Cheytac Coyote rig....LOL. Yes, yes I do hunt coyotes with it!
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Wow, so I just discovered that I can change my username in my profiles settings so I will no longer go by sr90 on the site. For those who are curious why my old profile name was sr90 that is because a Robar SR90 was my first true sniper rifle I ever owned of which I shot the barrel out many years ago then re-barreled and sold it to a friend. Today all I shoot is our DTA rifles and been loving it ever since.

 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nicholas Young</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Today all I shoot is our DTA rifles and been loving it ever since.
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My pleasure to quote the President of DTA!!!

-but I couldn't agree more! I love my DTAs and it's all I shoot now.

Keep up the great work DTA!!
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Doug</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looking good SS10ring. Time for another Monday shoot? </div></div>

Oh yeah!
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

I spoke to DTA a couple of weeks ago and the rep advised that they will soon be putting out a new bolt system where the bolt head would be the only piece needed to be changed as opposed to having to change out the entire bolt when changing calibers
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

good news Nicholas !when i will receive my srs it will come with a lot of improvement i didn't expect when i ordered it..last year!
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

As some of you know, in a thread over in 'beyond 1000 yards' I have been debating on my next rifle.

I just sent Russ from DTM, a PM, and I think he'll be able to help me with this, but I figured I'd throw it out here as we'll, to see if anyone else can help.

So, if I decide to buy a new Covert, my question is which barrel to go with, if caliber choice is 338LM. Option 1: the 18" ..... as listed as an option for the Covert, or , Option 2: the 26" which is also an option. Obviously, the "shooter/reloader" in my head says 26" !!! Longer barrel, increased accuracy, consistency, and better FPS.

But, a few things come to mind. My attraction to this in the first place is the size. The 26" Chassis is awesome. I want to have this 'set up' in their Covert Soft Case, and pack it away easily, store it, show it off, whatever! I just like the idea. Obviously, if I went with 26" barrel, I can simply remove the barrel, slide it in its sleeve, and stil have the discreet size and case. If I went with 18" barrel, I could maybe use the same case? Without removing the barrel? Or get a different soft or hard case that accepts the whole chassis, with the 18" barrel installed. Either way sounds great, but here's my question...

If I go with 18" barrel, I'd probably never remove the barrel, and never worry about loosing my zero. But, there's the lesser performance to factor in with the 18" barrel.

If I go with the 26" barrel, I will probably remove the barrel every outing. I would assume better performance, while shooting, with the 26" barrel. But.... What about the loss of zero while having the barrel in and out?
I hear there is a minimal loss of zero, and I get it, the design is amazing. But, I will use this for 1000 yard plus shooting, and I will be disappointed if I'm not consistent with my shots, especially cold bore, and lets face it, even half moa inconsistency is frustrating at let's say 1500 yards. We've got ourselves , our loads and Mother Nature, etc.. To deal with, adding in another variable, hurts my head.

This also was one of my concerns of a take down rifle, vs traditional custom built rifle. But, I'm over that now, and have decided take down is my decision, but..... 18" and never remove barrel, but loose velocity? Or 26" , better velocity, but chance loosing zero?

I hope this made sense. Anybody with real world experience with one of these systems, would be a huge help. Even DTA staff, please feel free to help me out. I'm ready to order a package, but want the right one for me.

And there's no wrong answer here. I completely understand that expecting performance from this system, comparatively to a system 5 times the price , is unfair and silly. This system is fairly priced and compact, and worth some sacrifices.

Also, before you answer, "get the 26" barrel, and never remove it"..... At that point, because of the overall stored length of the package, I would probably consider a traditional set up. So, size does matter... To me.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Nicholas Young</div><div class="ubbcode-body">New bolts are shipping with guns now and are compatible with all previous chassis and conversion kits.
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How long until the new gen bolts and head exchanges become available to be purchased separately.
 
DTA not cleaning barrels?

I just ordered another "factory new" DTA barrel and, like my last one, the rifling was fouled with copper from bore to muzzle.

Isn't it industry standard for manufacturers -- even low-end ones -- to clean their barrels after test firing?

(Maybe they're turning over their inventory fast enough that it doesn't matter, but my understanding is that storing barrels with copper and no oil is not a good way to preserve them.)
 
Re: DTA not cleaning barrels?

dbooksta,
We try to do as little as possible to the bore to ensure that customers have the option to do a barrel brake in if they so chose. Only 1-3 rounds are fired through each barrel for function testing new guns. Guns usually ship within 1 week of being tested, barrels are stainless steel and as good as it gets when it comes to corrosion resistance, Walther has confirmed with me that they have some old barrel blanks in the same stainless that have been outside in the weather for several years unprotected that have not corroded (that was their statement not mine). This practice has not caused any accuracy problems or system degradation.
 
Re: DTA not cleaning barrels?

Extreme the 26" barrel of a DTA is still going to be a considerably shorter overall package then a regular rifle. If your going to be shooting out past 1000 yards then why handicap the .338 cartridge with a shorter barrel? Why don't ya just get it and if the overall length is too long for ya then remove the barrel. I've heard countless people talk about the return to zero being perfect and now you've heard it from Nick himself. Enjoy the Rig and post some thoughts when you get it.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Extreme454</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Really? It's that simple? I mean, sorry to be a Lil skeptical. :)</div></div>

Yes, it is that simple and has been documented before here and other places (articles, youTube). Individual conversion kits will return to zero every time. There is a shift <span style="font-style: italic">between</span> conversion kits (ie from .308 to .338) but it is repeatable.
 
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

I was randomly eating a late lunch at a Chipotle in KY and saw someone in a DTA t-shirt. It was a surprise, as I've been eyeing these for over a year but have never met someone who has owned one or even seen one in person.

I introduced myself and asked if he had a DTA. Of course he did - he works for DTA!

Mike was awesome, he let me check out his demo rifles, and I even made the trek to an event today and tomorrow (they're giving away an SRS tomorrow).

I got to send a few rounds down range in .308 and .338 in both the SRS and the Covert. Both were using their .338 can.

Love the trigger. No issues w/cheek weld & eye height (though not sure how my preferred LaRue mounts would do), and everything felt great. The cans performed well and seemed bomb proof. They had the new bolt configuration.

There was a crew there filming the event, and they didn't believe you could switch out barrels and keep your zero.

On camera, Mike fired two or three, stopped, removed the barrel, bolt and everything, replaced it all, and he sent three shots back dead center of the steel.

I was watching with my spotter, and I was impressed.

After Having the personal attention from Mike and getting to demo the rifles today, it's a matter of when I get a rifle and what config.

I don't have a clip-on, though I'd love to get one some day (still waiting on TNVC's yet-to-be released clip on pricing), so that may mean I should go full size SRS.

But that covert was sweet. I took a pic of my 10.5" Noveske Switchblock w/M42000 can next to the rifle ... almost the same length as the Covert + their .338 can. Maybe I'll post pics soon.

Hats off to DTA.