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Official (DTA) SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

#203
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I'll help keep it going. I got my SRS on Friday and took it to the range on Sunday. WOW! I love this gun. The monopod is hands down worth every single penny. The gun is a joy to shoot, but the monopod makes it even better.

My 9 year old went with me. He hasn't shot a .308 before. The most he has shot was my AR-15 and his 10/22. He shot three groups of five. Here is his best one at 100 yrds:

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My best five shot group of the day with it:

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Gun porn:

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btw, I like the Atlas alot as well! Can't wait to get back to the range.
 
#204
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If there's anyone in the OK, KS, AR, TX area with one of these in .308 or preferably .338 that wouldn't mind letting me check out your rifle please PM me. I'll bring my own factory ammo. I'm willing to drive up to about 4 hours if that's what it takes.

I've been interested in these since they were first announced, I'd prefer to get behind one before taking the final leap.

 
#205
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I have one on order...I'm at the start of week 4. I was quoted 4-6 weeks so I'm at least halfway through the wait LOL.

I don't know where you are in OK, but I am located 3 hours South of the DFW Metroplex. We could probably work something out when I get it, but it might be a bit far to come.
 
#206
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I just watched the NRA American Guardian show on the Outdoor channel. They were featuring DTA. Nick, the president of the company, did a cold bore shot with a .338 barrel suppressed at 300+, then swapped out to .308, scope adjustment, put on suppressor, cold bore shot, hit again. Really nice looking rifles, I wish I could afford one NOW.
 
#207
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Yeah, saw the episode tonight as well. Think I'll probably order one within the next week or two. Just can't decide if I'll get both .338LM and .308 or just the .338 and add the .308 down the road.
 
#211
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: superde</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When did you order? </div></div>

I ordered in early February but my order got unintentionally held up. My understanding is that they are running a few weeks behind. In the mean time, Fedex ground from Utah to CT is moving like the pony express
 
#212
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

Just for you pic buffs
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NOTE: This is prototype model from LR Accuracy. Dave assures me that the production model has few modifications that well make this thing even better..adjustable length legs, lighter weight, etc etc

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#214
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tucsondave</div><div class="ubbcode-body">now THATS a BIPOD!!~!</div></div>

Yes that prototype model is overkill for the SRS but IMO will be GREAT on the HTI model.

Thanks
 
#215
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Overkill is an understatement!!
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That design definitely shows promise though. Thanks for the pics of the installed prototype and be sure to keep us posted on any new developments.
 
#216
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: grkmec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: superde</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When did you order? </div></div>

I ordered in early February but my order got unintentionally held up. My understanding is that they are running a few weeks behind. In the mean time, Fedex ground from Utah to CT is moving like the pony express </div></div>

Cool. Glad you've got it on the way. I ordered about mid/late February.
 
#218
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Thread

OK, I'll play. My DTA was waiting for me when I got back from Belize. It actually showed up the day that I left but I was already out of the country by the time it arrived. I had to wait until I returned to pick it up. I'm still waiting on my AAC cyclone form 4 to get approved. I went pending as of March 4th so it shouldn't be tooooo long now. Also waiting for some BC caps and a couple other little thing. I will be trying out the ATLAS, GG&G, and a Phoenix Tactical tricked out Harris to see which one I like. I must admit, the ATLAS very cool and a neat piece of gear. I got a smoking deal on a GG&G so I bought it for shits and giggles and I've had the trusty harris for bit.

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#221
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For those with 338LM SRS -

What factory ammo are you guys using? Thoughts on 250gr vs. 300gr? I don't know jack about what ammo to buy and I need some ammo ASAP. Suggestions on where to buy, etc.
 
#223
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Th

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: grkmec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those with 338LM SRS -

What factory ammo are you guys using? Thoughts on 250gr vs. 300gr? I don't know jack about what ammo to buy and I need some ammo ASAP. Suggestions on where to buy, etc. </div></div>

Later mentioned he shoots lapua factory 250gr. I'm assuming that does its job well
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#224
Re: Idea! Official DTA SRS, HTI, Covert, Hunter Th

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: grkmec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those with 338LM SRS -

What factory ammo are you guys using? Thoughts on 250gr vs. 300gr? I don't know jack about what ammo to buy and I need some ammo ASAP. Suggestions on where to buy, etc. </div></div>

And if you want to shoot the factory 250 Lapua - Powder Valley Inc is the least expensive I've found $47 and some change plus shipping for 10 Rounds. Hope you have deep pockets. LOL
 
#225
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: grkmec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those with 338LM SRS -

What factory ammo are you guys using?</div></div>

Every 338LM that goes out the shop at DTA has been accuracy tested using 250gr Lapua. Every 308 that goes out the shop has been accuracy tested using 167gr Lapua.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fredo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Slap that thing on the HTI and do some pics!</div></div>

LOL That is exactly what that thing is for
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mute</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's the weight on that bipod?</div></div>

Heavy for the lil guns at about 2lbs. Production models I am being told will be under 2lbs.

Thanks
 
#226
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: grkmec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What factory ammo are you guys using? Thoughts on 250gr vs. 300gr? I don't know jack about what ammo to buy and I need some ammo ASAP. Suggestions on where to buy, etc.</div></div>

I broke mine in with Black Hills & Lapua 250 Scenar - using them as control groups for my hand loads. As mentioned, Powder Valley is a great source of Lapua ammo and sometimes Cabela's has Black Hills .338 on sale (I got 20 rounds for under $100).

I have only shot the 250 Scenars so far and they get to a mile accurately (I've made multiple hits on 10x17" steel at that distance). It sounds like the 300 Scenar and 300SMK buck the wind better, but my point is that the 250 is still very much GTG. I'll be testing some 245gr Lehigh solids next.
 
#228
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I'm about to start to mouse...and I'm looking at the Hornady New Dimensions. I don't see the need for the $200+ dollar Reddings to be honest.
 
#229
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Wow, so Redding for 338 Lapua Magnum is $200?! On Dillon site I saw Redding two-die set for 338 Winchester Magnum (?) for $39. Physical dimensions of Lapua Magnum aren't that much bigger...?
 
#230
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The RCBS competition dies are my personal favorite. They make a full length sizer with a neck bushing and I really like their micrometer seating die with the side loading feature. Sure, they're expensive, but that's all you need in my opinion. I've done the same with other calibers and eventually end up with the Gold Medal Competition set.

FWIW, I think the chambers are pretty tight on the SRS - I can't neck size without getting sticky bolt, so I just FL size every time.
 
#232
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm about to start to mouse...and I'm looking at the Hornady New Dimensions. I don't see the need for the $200+ dollar Reddings to be honest. </div></div>

What's another $200 when you are spending $5000 on a rifle? And your going to spend at least another $1,000 on a scope (or more). When you commit to the .338 Lapua, or any of the larger calibers, you throw reason out the window. I use Hornady dies on my auto loaders, and they are good dies. But I seem to get more consistent ammo out of my Reddings that I use on all my LR bolt guns FWIW.
 
#233
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: superde</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm about to start to mouse...and I'm looking at the Hornady New Dimensions. I don't see the need for the $200+ dollar Reddings to be honest. </div></div>

What's another $200 when you are spending $5000 on a rifle? And your going to spend at least another $1,000 on a scope (or more). When you commit to the .338 Lapua, or any of the larger calibers, you throw reason out the window. I use Hornady dies on my auto loaders, and they are good dies. But I seem to get more consistent ammo out of my Reddings that I use on all my LR bolt guns FWIW. </div></div>


*Shrugs* You've got a point at not sneezing when you reach that cost level. I'm just not convinced that the Reddings are that much better than say the RCBS or Hornady dies. Sure they've got a micrometer, but hell I've got time to slowly adjust my dies and even then once I have the die adjust to the particular grain weight of bullet I'm shooting I never chance them.

I could buy some 3+ sets, mark them to the particular grain weight of the bullet they are dialed in for and be done with it...and still come out ahead with money towards the expendables.
 
#234
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Poison123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
*Shrugs* You've got a point at not sneezing when you reach that cost level. I'm just not convinced that the Reddings are that much better than say the RCBS or Hornady dies. Sure they've got a micrometer, but hell I've got time to slowly adjust my dies and even then once I have the die adjust to the particular grain weight of bullet I'm shooting I never chance them.

I could buy some 3+ sets, mark them to the particular grain weight of the bullet they are dialed in for and be done with it...and still come out ahead with money towards the expendables. </div></div>

Not if you are measuring from the ogive. There are usually a few thousandths difference in bullets lengths from where they actually engage the rifling. The micrometer allows you to seat them .010" longer than you want, and then go back and seat them all individually, measuring as you go with something similar to this: http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=231904. That way when you are trying to seat them .015" off the lands, you don't have the variance of .003" short or long FWIW.
 
#235
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Well, even when I spend $5000 on the rifle - still $200 isn't something I can easily sneeze at (I'm still in money-saving mode for that rifle, BTW). And I've already got the scope (yes it was more than $1000, but I think it was worth it
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), so it will just migrate to the new rifle when it comes. Poison made good points.

Does anybody know which dies from those mentioned would fit Dillon RL-550B? <span style="font-style: italic">I understand - what's another $500 for a new press when one is spending $5000+ on a rifle, but still...</span>
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#236
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I'm not made of money either LOL. I'm just a cattle rancher. I'm just saying your reloads will shoot better with more consistently loaded ammo.

Don't know the answer on the Dillon.
 
#237
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No arguments - better reloading helps better shooting.

Still lots of things to figure out when moving from "well-supported" calibers like .223 or .308 to this .338LM beast.
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I wonder if all (most of?) the dies are "standard" - in the sense that they would fit any of the well-established presses (such as Dillon or Hornady)...
 
#238
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.338LM is established enough that you don't have to worry about dies being made to some custom spec. The vast majority are 7/8".
 
#241
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tucsondave</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjkCny1muco


Here's a better one. .338 w/AWC thundertrap </div></div>

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Impressive, but I don't believe that is you or your rifle. This video looks like some other guy with a gila monster DTA SRS that you pulled off the internet, you know they are a dime a dozen.....
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#244
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Quick update:

I got the SRS to the range today for a quick little test to zero in the scope and try out the silencer.

I was at a 100 yard indoor range that is here in Wichita. When I walked in with the SRS it immediately drew a crowd and I ended up answering questions for about 25 minutes from the guys hanging out there, which was fine. After that it took 3 rounds to get the scope zeroed. I cleaned the barrel before the first one, after the first one, and shot two, then cleaned. I forgot to mention this is after some people followed me down to watch me shoot it..... which was kinda weird...... Anyway I'm not big on cleaning so that was about it for the scrubbing.

With the ATLAS bipod and Red Tac rear sack it was a perfect combination. I could leave the bipod on the lowest setting and it was the perfect height for the rear bag. The rifle and myself were able to shoot a five round group at what appears to be almost eactly their (DTA's) 1/2 MOA guarantee. If I had to guess, the group might be a hair over 1/2 moa but it's awful close.

I was pleased.... UNTIL I put the AAC cyclone on the end of it. The next round ended up perfect on center but 3.5" lower...... wow... I did not expect the POI to change quite that much. Not to mention the groups opened up a little as well. About 3/4 MOA, maybe a hair over that even..... (if anybody else has some input on this that would be great) I will say the the silencer was very quiet and I was able to shoot without hearing protection (even in an indoor range) and everybody watching took their muffs off as well....... still kinda weird that they were still there..... I let one other guy shoot it and the light trigger "surprised" him and he was all over the place with it. I love those excuses
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All in all I'm a little concerned about the performance with the AAC but if this is common I will feel a little better. This is my first suppressor and I didn't really know what to expect.

The trigger on the SRS is excellent. I have had GAP rifles before, tuned 40X and Shillen triggers just to name a few for comparison and I am VERY pleased with the trigger on the SRS. For you guys that like a "hair" trigger. This one is not for you. I'm betting you will be hard pressed to get it under 1.5-2lbs. I really like it though. The chamber seemed to be very tight and you definitely have to throw that bolt shut with some authority but I'm guessing this may change a little after I get some more rounds down it. Ammo used was FGMM 168gr.

Ergonomically that rifle felt really comfortable and recoil without the silencer was easily managed, and even more so with the suppressor. If you guys have any questions please feel free to ask, and if you have any info on the POI change issue that would be much appreciated.

Ryan
 
#245
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On your AAC can...every can will cause at least some POI shift and 3.5" is not all that bad. In a perfect world, there would be no shift, but so much for a perfect world!!
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The big issue is repeatability. In other words, does the can cause the same POI shift every time it is removed and reinstalled on your rifle. Only time and some testing on your part will tell and you should keep a careful log of this issue with yours so that you can have accurate data on adjusting your scope for shooting with and without the can.

As to the accuracy shift...generally in my experience, you get a slight accuracy increase when shooting with a can installed, so I am not sure about your decrease in accuracy of roughly 1/4MOA. Since this is your first time out with it, I'd keep shooting it and see where things settle in. While it is a minor decrease in accuracy, it may not be entirely the can's fault. Again...keep shooting and keep tracking your data to see where you stand after another 50-100 rounds down the road.
 
#246
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Patches:

I have never dealt with the cyclone so I cannot advise if that is normal. I will make some calls today to people that may have experience with the cyclone. I do know that the Thundertrap has the opposite effect on groups, just as ORD mentioned. Generally the suppressors have a positive effect on accuracy groups.
Also that bolt authority you mentioned will get better with few more rounds down range.

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#247
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Last week I went to the range with a friend. Our purpose was to switch barrels, from .308 to .338 and back, with my AWC Suppressor and determine and record repeatability. I brought a friend so he could also shoot the DTA thus eliminating any bias from a single shooter.We first shot the .308 with the can,zeroing at 100.It was a 5 shot affair.I left the scope setting at 2moa up. Switching over to the .338 barrel we once again zeroed at 100. Took 4 shots. We dropped the elevation(compared to the .308) by 2moa.This left the elevation setting at 0.There was no need to change windage (7mph wind) from zero at 100 yrds. The difference between the two calibers on my scope was 2moa. Up for the .308 and backdown 2 moa to zero for the .338. We switched barrels and shooters 2 times for each caliber and using the same dope,we were able to be zeroed,with each caliber, each time as long as the rifle remained warm. We let it sit for a while and found that the cold bore shot in each caliber was 1-1.5 moa low. The follow up shot was right on the money. Now when I shoot,I have the necessary dope to achieve a repeatable zero with either caliber. My experience with the AWC T Trap was the rifle would be 2moa high and 2moa to the right with the suppressor attached regardless of calibers. Needless to say, my friend,a very experienced shooter, was duly impressed and ordered a DTA that next week. I think adding the suppressor,if possible,is a must. Makes the enjoyable shooting DTA that much better. My .02
 
#248
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Patches, I've got the AAC 762SD. My drop is comparable with the suppressor on, about 2 inches. My groups though were spot on though any where from .3 to .6 all depending on how I was shooting the rifle.


Just to check...you had the suppressor on nice and tight right? It it was a little loose that could have been the problem on what opened up the groups.
 
#249
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Later</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Patches:

I have never dealt with the cyclone so I cannot advise if that is normal. I will make some calls today to people that may have experience with the cyclone. I do know that the Thundertrap has the opposite effect on groups as ORD mentioned.</div></div>

Hey Later,

I think we are saying the same thing although I didn't word it very well. In my experience, accuracy tends to improve with a suppressor installed which is not what happened to Patches. His accuracy suffered by approx. 1/4MOA with the can on. As to the Thundertrap...I don't have one, but I have witnessed a Thundertrap on a friend's modified 700P improve accuracy a good bit.

Whether it is the physics of having the can installed and its effect on the bullet, barrel harmonics, etc., or its impact on the shooter (less noise, muzzle blast, etc.), I have found accuracy usually gets better with one.
 
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