single if possiable, don't really want to fuss with anything, just plug and play!
+1!! A new set of skin is EXPENSIVE ah!
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+1!! A new set of skin is EXPENSIVE ah!
I have been told they are in the works. The thing I would like to know is that if given the choice, would you want a long single stack mag that utilizes your same stock skins? Or would you be willing to pay for new stock skins that allow you to utilize a double stack mag?
I met a local shooter at the range to demo an SRS late this afternoon. It was nearly a blizzard at one point and well below freezing (I had spent brass freezing to the concrete bench in a matter of just a couple minutes). I let him shoot a few groups as we compared the sound difference between the three suppressors (Thunder Beast 338BA, 30BA, and 30BAS). He landed some nice groups, especially considering it was his first time behind the rifle.
Then I jumped behind it and shot 5 to verify my zero (I had the scope off it a few weeks back and had not shot it since). It was snowing so hard I could hardly see the target and my dang safety glasses kept fogging up. Anyways, I quickly let of 5 shots and couldn't tell where they were landing. After walking to the 100 yard target, I had three absolutely dead center in one hole and the other two were just barely outside the group. One was called flier to the left and one was just a hair below the group. I should have taken a picture, but was in too much of a rush to get back to ship out a couple SRS rifles before the UPS hub closed for the evening.
This rifle just shoots. Even when I am shivering by butt off in the middle of a blizzard. I love this my SRS.
Then I jumped behind it and shot 5 to verify my zero (I had the scope off it a few weeks back and had not shot it since). It was snowing so hard I could hardly see the target and my dang safety glasses kept fogging up. Anyways, I quickly let of 5 shots and couldn't tell where they were landing. After walking to the 100 yard target, I had three absolutely dead center in one hole and the other two were just barely outside the group. One was called flier to the left and one was just a hair below the group. I should have taken a picture, but was in too much of a rush to get back to ship out a couple SRS rifles before the UPS hub closed for the evening.
This rifle just shoots. Even when I am shivering by butt off in the middle of a blizzard. I love this my SRS.
or can they get some brain storming together and still keep the single feed magwel fit with double stack in the mag? just thinking out loud, sure not a gun smith in any way at all. but with these days of engineering and builds is that possiable?!
or can they get some brain storming together and still keep the single feed magwel fit with double stack in the mag? just thinking out loud, sure not a gun smith in any way at all. but with these days of engineering and builds is that possiable?!
I am sure they are looking into that too.
or can they get some brain storming together and still keep the single feed magwel fit with double stack in the mag? just thinking out loud, sure not a gun smith in any way at all. but with these days of engineering and builds is that possiable?!
If possible, that would be the best of both worlds!
Has anyone got pics of the gen 1/2 srs handguard that hass been modified to the covert length.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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I've played with a mocked up 10rd single stack and as you'd expect it's loooong.
The ideal to me would be a mag that widens to double stack like a Surefire AR mag but I can't visualise how the follower would work. They would likely be prohibitively expensive to produce...
I'd be willing to swap skins for a solid double stack design and accept that would mean switching to a new mag design in all calibres as I don't see old mags being compatible. I'm assuming this would be double stack single feed like an AICS mag rather than true double stack like an AW as wouldn't we then need twin feed ramps?
I've just stretched 7.62 magpuls over my DT mags and it is definitely helping with mag handling which I find awkward due to position and limited gripping surface. I don't have much time on the gun yet, I'm sure I will improve with practice.
Tony
I've played with a mocked up 10rd single stack and as you'd expect it's loooong.
The ideal to me would be a mag that widens to double stack like a Surefire AR mag but I can't visualise how the follower would work. They would likely be prohibitively expensive to produce...
I'd be willing to swap skins for a solid double stack design and accept that would mean switching to a new mag design in all calibres as I don't see old mags being compatible. I'm assuming this would be double stack single feed like an AICS mag rather than true double stack like an AW as wouldn't we then need twin feed ramps?
I've just stretched 7.62 magpuls over my DT mags and it is definitely helping with mag handling which I find awkward due to position and limited gripping surface. I don't have much time on the gun yet, I'm sure I will improve with practice.
Tony
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This is the Surefire design I was thinking of. After a little digging I found it uses a very clever nested follower - that's a lot of R&D cost. They retail for circa $120 but with a huge addressable market.
What would we be willing to pay for something like this in a short .308 format from DTA......
This is the Surefire design I was thinking of. After a little digging I found it uses a very clever nested follower - that's a lot of R&D cost. They retail for circa $120 but with a huge addressable market.
What would we be willing to pay for something like this in a short .308 format from DTA......
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Magpuls for those that are interested, need to be softened in boiling water then some leverage but they will go on.
The mag still drops free in my normal shooting position but will not with the monopod completely retracted. I can't get that low so a non issue for me.
Magpuls for those that are interested, need to be softened in boiling water then some leverage but they will go on.
The mag still drops free in my normal shooting position but will not with the monopod completely retracted. I can't get that low so a non issue for me.
Hi all!
New SRS-A1 owner in .260 Rem here. I shot an early Gen1 in 338LM many years ago and got totally hooked on the design. It's taken me quite a few years to get to the point to where I could afford to purchase one, but that great day has come and I picked up mine from my local dealer on Monday. (Not to rub it in, but my dealer had an A1 chassis in stock and the .260 Rem barrel conversion kit arrived before the rifle even did it's 10-day jail time.)
A friend loaned me his Premier to use until I can figure out what glass/reticle I want, but unfortunately his mount isn't high enough to work on the SRS, so I've gone ahead and ordered a 30 MOA DTI mount for it. (Is that a good friend, or what?) I can't wait to get it all together and get it out to the range!
While I was waiting for the rifle to get out of jail I read every... single... post in this mega-thread. Wow! What a great source of information and a superb primer for any new owner.
Now that (I think) I've got my optic squared away, my next challenge is to find some powder to reload with—I can't afford the Cor-Bon or Southwest Ammo on a regular basis. Friends who shoot .260 Rem seem to like H4350 or H4831sc, but finding either of those is tough. I've seen some posts here with folks using RL17, and the reloading guides suggest RL22, but both of those seem in short supply, too. IMR 4831 is somewhat available, and although (apparently) not as temperature insensitive as the Hodgdon version, I may run with that while I keep my eyes open for the Hodgdon.
I plan on using the 139gr Lapua Scenars or the 140gr Berger Hybrids in Lapua brass. Any suggestions for distance off the lands for these bullets in DTI's barrels?
I bought the A1 to join a couple of friends who shoot with the NorCal PPRC competitions. I'm looking forward to learning about a whole new shooting discipline!
I'm also looking forward to participating here on the Hide—thanks!
—Blake
New SRS-A1 owner in .260 Rem here. I shot an early Gen1 in 338LM many years ago and got totally hooked on the design. It's taken me quite a few years to get to the point to where I could afford to purchase one, but that great day has come and I picked up mine from my local dealer on Monday. (Not to rub it in, but my dealer had an A1 chassis in stock and the .260 Rem barrel conversion kit arrived before the rifle even did it's 10-day jail time.)
A friend loaned me his Premier to use until I can figure out what glass/reticle I want, but unfortunately his mount isn't high enough to work on the SRS, so I've gone ahead and ordered a 30 MOA DTI mount for it. (Is that a good friend, or what?) I can't wait to get it all together and get it out to the range!
While I was waiting for the rifle to get out of jail I read every... single... post in this mega-thread. Wow! What a great source of information and a superb primer for any new owner.
Now that (I think) I've got my optic squared away, my next challenge is to find some powder to reload with—I can't afford the Cor-Bon or Southwest Ammo on a regular basis. Friends who shoot .260 Rem seem to like H4350 or H4831sc, but finding either of those is tough. I've seen some posts here with folks using RL17, and the reloading guides suggest RL22, but both of those seem in short supply, too. IMR 4831 is somewhat available, and although (apparently) not as temperature insensitive as the Hodgdon version, I may run with that while I keep my eyes open for the Hodgdon.
I plan on using the 139gr Lapua Scenars or the 140gr Berger Hybrids in Lapua brass. Any suggestions for distance off the lands for these bullets in DTI's barrels?
I bought the A1 to join a couple of friends who shoot with the NorCal PPRC competitions. I'm looking forward to learning about a whole new shooting discipline!
I'm also looking forward to participating here on the Hide—thanks!
—Blake
I assume that my old single stacks would not work with new skins. It seems like if a 10 rounder will fit with the single stack that might be the way to go. Another option might be the way surefire stacks rounds in ther big ar mags. Ive never had one so i am not sure how reliable that complicated feed mechanism is.
Having to swap out skins for a new 10rnd mag would certainly reduce the number of people that would buy them. If it doesn't work with all current rifles, it would be very unlikely that they would recoup the cost of R&D.
Initially I thought that would be a good idea as well. Then I talked to a few customers and the thought of having to buy a new skin set was a huge turn off to them. They would like more rounds on board, but not at the expense of buying new skins. As you also mentioned, some of them would be impacted by the shorter OAL as well.
This really is a difficult problem to solve in any bullpup configuration.
Imagine the mag being any longer than it is, and trying to use a rear bag under there. So a longer mag means you would be pretty much stuck to using a monopod. The mag could be a little bit longer, but not much.
If it's any wider, you need new skins, at an additional cost to the customer.
In my opinion the way to recoup the cost of R&D, would be to implement a change to the skins and mags and introduce it as a new A2 or what ever you want to call it. The cost of the A2 would obviously increase slightly and then Skins and Mags would be available as an optional upgrade to Gen 1 and Gen 2 owners.
Personally, I am not interested in a mag that is much longer than the current mag.
This is the Surefire design I was thinking of. After a little digging I found it uses a very clever nested follower - that's a lot of R&D cost. They retail for circa $120 but with a huge addressable market.
What would we be willing to pay for something like this in a short .308 format from DTA......
I suggested that when I was at DTA. There was a professional 3 gunner in the shop, and immediately, he commented on how unreliable the surefire mags have been. Reliability is a must for me. If that means having to purchase new skins for $200, I would be willing to do that.
Here is my Gen1 SRS that was milled to about covert size. I have since sold this one and bought a factory SRS-A1 Covert.
By the way guys we are caught up on most of our back log now and have some guns in stock on the shelf for any of you who have been waiting around. We have a handful of Hti, srs, and coverts in stock. Mostly black or green color combinations. Call Madison to get one before they are all sold 801-975-7272.
Thanks
Nick
Thanks
Nick
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Thank you Orkan!
Thats good news.
And I also got some good news from DTA Europe this week..
Pearce
Got my Gen 2 Covert last year. Two barrels, 16" 308 and 26" 338 Norma Magnum. Couldn't afford to put a real scope on it for a while so had to shoot it with a $600 Nikon and rings that were slightly too low. I just put a S&B PMII 5x25 p4 fine with the HTI rings, atlas bipod and US optics bubble level. Sure makes it a lot more fun to shoot! I love it. Im working on consistency when shooting off the bipod. As you can see I have some work to do. Average size of the 6 groups at 100yds was .833" with my ever present 1/4" wobble. 175 SMK 43gr Varget COL 2.853"
Is it a bad idea to move the bipod closer to the trigger guard for less hop? Worked on my PTR91....or do I just need to practice consistency?
Is it a bad idea to move the bipod closer to the trigger guard for less hop? Worked on my PTR91....or do I just need to practice consistency?
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orkan hit the nail on the head. DTA SRS A1 with 22' barrel and no muzzle brake measures 33' to rear of thick butt pad without extra spacers. Sorry, I got tied up last night.
Nice glass upgrade! Moving the bipod closer to the butt of the rifle is popular with some folks, as they claim it reduces hop. Some don't see that benefit, though, so there's some individual difference. Give it a try and see if it works for you.
Grateful if you could info us whether any concrete progress has been made or so far.
'Any future mags will....' sounds worryingly as though, other than 'talk', the answer is: nothing's been done.
I'd be much happier with an straightforward answer giving either a genuine timeline or stating that you actually have no genuine intent or desire to make 10 rounders.
I think bipod hop has less to do with where it's mounted and more to do with shooting technique. How you manage the rifle has a bigger effect on reducing hop than anything else (ie bipod loading, orienting your body inline, etc).
I finally got my reloads worked up to the point that I'm not ashamed of posting the results on this thread.
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I chronicled the painstaking process of developing this load, as well as the errors I made along the way, here: http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...ng-notes-375-cheytac-dta-hti.html#post2934951
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I chronicled the painstaking process of developing this load, as well as the errors I made along the way, here: http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...ng-notes-375-cheytac-dta-hti.html#post2934951
Hey Blake!
I'm also shooting .260REM and I'm sure you'll enjoy it too! Hit me up with PM if you ever come up to the Bay! I'll show you around
Does anybody wish that the rear monopod had a rubber "boot" on it, so that it did not slide on concrete and other hard surfaces? I put Duct Tape on the bottom of mine, but I've been considering finding some kind of chair leg slider or boot for it - I haven't looked yet, I was gonna try Lowes. Has anybody else already explored this issue?
Hey guys,
Got a request from a local customer to see if I could fit my PPR knob to his DTA bolt. Fun little project. Very cool rifle, as I had not seen one in person.
As always, thanks for checking it out.
Regards,
Paul
Got a request from a local customer to see if I could fit my PPR knob to his DTA bolt. Fun little project. Very cool rifle, as I had not seen one in person.
As always, thanks for checking it out.
Regards,
Paul
