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I agree... Every American needs to see this. If for nothing else to let them figure out who is not going to show up to save their ass when these conditions are nationwide.
Similar derailment in Louisiana 1982
www.firehouse.com
2nd half talks about derailment:
Hazmat Studies: Livingston, LA, Train Derailment—36 Years Later
Robert Burke looks back at how one town managed a train derailment with hazardous materials and explosions.
www.firehouse.com
2nd half talks about derailment:
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Similar derailment in Louisiana 1982
Hazmat Studies: Livingston, LA, Train Derailment—36 Years Later
Robert Burke looks back at how one town managed a train derailment with hazardous materials and explosions.
2nd half talks about derailment:
Haven't had a chance to watch this one yet, but I usually watch S2U every time they put out a video. I appreciate how they give the viewer the info that they could verify and give their input and theories... But they leave it to the viewer to draw their own final conclusions.
Mike
Not sure what you are getting after with this but with the raised lettering section, some of the richest people Warren Buffet and corporations own the vast majority of the railroads in North America. When you get the Government to assist you with settling labor disputes so as not to damage PROFITS or upset shareholders it should start to put an idea of what thinks these same beancounters put before everything else profits! The way I see it these rich fucking elitist's, that consider us to be nothing more unless eaters need to lower their profits and not only pay for this cleanup but bring the railroads into modern times. Japan and Europe some how managed to make this happen why are we rolling like India? The rich with their purse strings control the politicians. We are to stupid too have gas stoves but give Buttipegitinmyass a zippo and can fix things just like that little weinersnitchel roast in Ohio
Who is responsible for the decision to light that mess on fire? I can envision some crazed liberal sitting in his cushy office, snickering to himself: "Take that, red state".
May (hopefully!) see restrictions on train length, train speed with hazmat, spacer cars between hazmat, more defect detectors, etc. Wall St won't like it, so we'll see who wins.
NS doesn't give a shit about anything but Operating Ratio and the Wall St love it generates (bonuse$ for top execs)
NS doesn't give a shit about anything but Operating Ratio and the Wall St love it generates (bonuse$ for top execs)
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Buttigieg: Train Wreck of a Transportation Secretary - Victory Girls Blog
How did mayor, Pete Buttigieg, of South Bend, Indiana become our Transportation Secretary? It's a long, tangled web of donations and virtue-signaling but, alas, here we are.
victorygirlsblog.com
Question is how did this ass clown even become a mayor.
So looking at burn byproducts of vinyl chloride...
Holy...
"Depending on the amount of VCM-air premixing prior to combustion, the temperature of a VCM flame ranges from 950° to 1466°C. Similarly, the soot or unburned carbon content of a VCM flame varies from 3 to 6 weight percent. An analysis of the combustion gases from VCM reveal the following composition: HCl 27,000 ppm; CO2 58,100 ppm; CO 9500 ppm; phosgene 40 ppm; and VCM trace. From a hazard standpoint, the gross quantity of hydrogen chloride is the main source of danger in a VCM fire...."
Hydrogen Chloride
www.cdc.gov
www.cdc.gov
cameochemicals.noaa.gov
Phosgene
www.cdc.gov
cameochemicals.noaa.gov
Norfolk Southern is going to buy that town when all is said and done.
The days of hauling ass with Hazmat at track (limit) speed in mixed manifest freight is hopefully at an end. They'll wind up running it in (much) smaller trains at slower speeds, I would bet. Which is a good thing. Wall St has wrecked the railroads, to the point where reregulation may be on the table. NS spent more on stock buybacks than maintenance.
Had that not been a 150 car train it could have stopped quicker. I'm told that train had a mid-train helper engine (remote control) which means when the derailment started, the back half of the train was still pushing into the wreck. Happens anyway with inertia, but with that second engine pushing...
This will have bigger effects than most "normal" derailments.
Holy...
"Depending on the amount of VCM-air premixing prior to combustion, the temperature of a VCM flame ranges from 950° to 1466°C. Similarly, the soot or unburned carbon content of a VCM flame varies from 3 to 6 weight percent. An analysis of the combustion gases from VCM reveal the following composition: HCl 27,000 ppm; CO2 58,100 ppm; CO 9500 ppm; phosgene 40 ppm; and VCM trace. From a hazard standpoint, the gross quantity of hydrogen chloride is the main source of danger in a VCM fire...."
Hydrogen Chloride
Hydrogen chloride - IDLH | NIOSH | CDC
The revised IDLH for hydrogen chloride is 50 ppm based on acute inhalation toxicity data in humans
www.cdc.gov
CDC - NIOSH Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards - Hydrogen chloride
Anhydrous hydrogen chloride, Aqueous hydrogen chloride, Hydrochloric acid [Note: Often used in an aqueous solution.] Colorless to slightly yellow gas with a pungent, irritating odor. [Note: Shipped as a liquefied compressed gas.]
www.cdc.gov
HYDROGEN CHLORIDE, ANHYDROUS | CAMEO Chemicals | NOAA
cameochemicals.noaa.gov
Phosgene
CDC - NIOSH Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards - Phosgene
Carbon oxychloride, Carbonyl chloride, Carbonyl dichloride, Chloroformyl chloride Colorless gas with a suffocating odor like musty hay. [Note: A fuming liquid below 47°F. Shipped as a liquefied compressed gas.]
www.cdc.gov
PHOSGENE | CAMEO Chemicals | NOAA
cameochemicals.noaa.gov
Norfolk Southern is going to buy that town when all is said and done.
The days of hauling ass with Hazmat at track (limit) speed in mixed manifest freight is hopefully at an end. They'll wind up running it in (much) smaller trains at slower speeds, I would bet. Which is a good thing. Wall St has wrecked the railroads, to the point where reregulation may be on the table. NS spent more on stock buybacks than maintenance.
Had that not been a 150 car train it could have stopped quicker. I'm told that train had a mid-train helper engine (remote control) which means when the derailment started, the back half of the train was still pushing into the wreck. Happens anyway with inertia, but with that second engine pushing...
This will have bigger effects than most "normal" derailments.
So looking at burn byproducts of vinyl chloride...
Holy...
"Depending on the amount of VCM-air premixing prior to combustion, the temperature of a VCM flame ranges from 950° to 1466°C. Similarly, the soot or unburned carbon content of a VCM flame varies from 3 to 6 weight percent. An analysis of the combustion gases from VCM reveal the following composition: HCl 27,000 ppm; CO2 58,100 ppm; CO 9500 ppm; phosgene 40 ppm; and VCM trace. From a hazard standpoint, the gross quantity of hydrogen chloride is the main source of danger in a VCM fire...."
Hydrogen Chloride
Hydrogen chloride - IDLH | NIOSH | CDC
The revised IDLH for hydrogen chloride is 50 ppm based on acute inhalation toxicity data in humans
CDC - NIOSH Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards - Hydrogen chloride
Anhydrous hydrogen chloride, Aqueous hydrogen chloride, Hydrochloric acid [Note: Often used in an aqueous solution.] Colorless to slightly yellow gas with a pungent, irritating odor. [Note: Shipped as a liquefied compressed gas.]
HYDROGEN CHLORIDE, ANHYDROUS | CAMEO Chemicals | NOAA
Phosgene
CDC - NIOSH Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards - Phosgene
Carbon oxychloride, Carbonyl chloride, Carbonyl dichloride, Chloroformyl chloride Colorless gas with a suffocating odor like musty hay. [Note: A fuming liquid below 47°F. Shipped as a liquefied compressed gas.]
PHOSGENE | CAMEO Chemicals | NOAA
Norfolk Southern is going to buy that town when all is said and done.
The days of hauling ass with Hazmat at track (limit) speed in mixed manifest freight is hopefully at an end. They'll wind up running it in (much) smaller trains at slower speeds, I would bet. Which is a good thing. Wall St has wrecked the railroads, to the point where reregulation may be on the table. NS spent more on stock buybacks than maintenance.
Had that not been a 150 car train it could have stopped quicker. I'm told that train had a mid-train helper engine (remote control) which means when the derailment started, the back half of the train was still pushing into the wreck. Happens anyway with inertia, but with that second engine pushing...
This will have bigger effects than most "normal" derailments.
HCl will instantly absorb into the atmospheric moisture so it will not be anhydrous. It will go from a covalent to an ionic state and become hydrochloric acid.
More trains odds n ends
Discusses shorter, slower hazmat trains
HTUA, that's a new one
www.law.cornell.edu
Guess that means go slow in Blue cities with lots of D voters. Outside that, hammer down.
I suspect that will change, and politicians will waste no time patting themselves on the back.
Discusses shorter, slower hazmat trains
HTUA, that's a new one
49 CFR Appendix A to Part 1580 - High Threat Urban Areas (HTUAs)
Guess that means go slow in Blue cities with lots of D voters. Outside that, hammer down.
I suspect that will change, and politicians will waste no time patting themselves on the back.
I was never good at chemistry, but seem to recall one of the acid gases made in the hood vent was distinctly brown, was that nitric or hydrochloric? Was that image of the burn off in East Palestine basically a big acid gas cloud, with various other combustion byproducts in it?
Don't forget that the labor unions extorted a $23 an hour wage raise for their members from hapless brandon. That won't guarantee a single ounce of extra effort or responsibility. How much of this can be their responsibility, as in "What? Me work?"
This is WWIII, we are the victim’s. And we just sit and take it. The globalists run the world and are in process of complete elimination of the opposition. Which is you. All systems failed. Nobody is coming to save you.
I was never good at chemistry, but seem to recall one of the acid gases made in the hood vent was distinctly brown, was that nitric or hydrochloric? Was that image of the burn off in East Palestine basically a big acid gas cloud, with various other combustion byproducts in it?
Acidic gases or "fuming" acid is white. Basically what happens is the concentration in solution (water) has reached its maximum and it will fume off trying to reach equilibrium with the air. More than likely what you observed was NO2 in the vent hood as a byproduct of whatever reaction using nitric acid (other nitrogen containing compounds can also form this byproduct).
The cloud itself contained CO, CO2 and HCl (both covalent and ionic once it is absorbed by water in the air). Was it a big acid cloud? Yes and No. Also, remember CO2 will also form carbonic acid as well.
Actually a cheap experiment is to have some pH paper in distilled water and blow into the water through a straw. The more you blow into the water the more acidic the water becomes (great to teach young kids about pH).
Here's the stock pumping CEO finally showing up
www.foxbusiness.com
Norfolk Southern CEO visits Ohio after train derailment, says 'I'm here to support the community'
Norfolk Southern CEO Alan Shaw told reporters in East Palestine on Saturday that he was there to support the community following the toxic Ohio train derailment.
www.foxbusiness.com
Yes. More specifically, elemental carbon (what we all know as carbon black).
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A while back I was reading some articles about the pending railroad worker strike that Poopy Pants put to an end. Please forgive me as my memory is a little fuzzy and some details escape me.
IIRC, the railroad companies wanted to use less drivers or they had to contend with a staffing shortage that all post-Covid businesses were suffering from.
The answer to using fewer people was longer shifts and longer trains.
The executive management teams, as expected, wanted to boast about greater efficiency. That usually translates to longer hours and more work for less pay. Supposedly it saves money but actually puts more dollars in the stock-holders' and management's pockets.
Perhaps someone with some expertise in that field could clarify that for us.
Wow, did you get that bullshit number from Twitter or 4Chan? I'm in one of the highest paying crafts, and that pay raise was less than $5/hr so far, and at the end of the five year CBA term will total out at a $8.41/hr raise. The only ones getting an equivalent $23/hr raise are managers as their pay is tied to doing more with less, and I guarantee not a single one who boards a locomotive, swings a hammer, or turns a wrench will see anything remotely close to $23/hr raise.
All crafts care greatly about the safety and condition of the railroads we work for, and the vast majority members of those crafts go way above and beyond what is actually required of us to make sure shit works as well as we can make it. We live where we work, most typically less than a mile from our own tracks and our kids' schools are commonly separated by nothing but a chain link fence from the tracks. We really do care about our home towns, all the people who live there, right along with our own wellbeing.
We scream and beg for more maintenance, both in personnel and infrastructure. We drag the supervisors out to our problem areas, show them the defects, and prove to them we're not making shit up. They write shit up and we get told "Maybe next year...", and next year becomes three years or never. If it isn't an actual FRA reportable defect, it doesn't get fixed and one does come up they look at us like we're the one that caused it to happen.
We ask for more personnel and what we get are position abolishments and assets added, making our jobs that much busier. My craft is down 25% manpower in the last four years, and that's after a "big hiring push" over the last year according to management that hasn't even kept up with attrition, much less added anything. The gangs we do have left get stripped from maintenance duties and sent to new construction projects, track adds and new routes, and us on the maintenance side have to make do. Shit, I've got a damaged signal head that's been held up with a ratchet strap for almost a year now, just need a gang with one man and their boom truck for two hours to fix it, and I'm still waiting.
What's really happened is the managers quit coming to the field, because if they don't see it, it doesn't exist and they damn sure don't want to hear our opinions. Their solution to safety problems has been stealth audit teams watching us with drones and binos to catch someone driving a spike with a sledge instead of a maul or stepping onto an empty non-controlled track without locking out six switches to do 30 seconds of work. I see my manager once a year at the annual training meeting, never once had him show up while I'm actually working, and I couldn't pick out his boss from a two man line-up because I've never even heard of him being on the division, much less in my area. Front line supervisors do what they can, but they're cut off at the knees regularly and are stuck as the pivot man in this circle jerk.
As for something directly relating to the Ohio incident, defect detectors are one of the most ignored problems out there. They aren't a FRA reportable asset, so if there's a problem with one after hours it never gets handled until the next regular workday to limit overtime and save on the budget. Trains get alerts of a problem and dispatchers or detector desk personnel are told to call it in as an error instead of having the crew stop and inspect, or to play a wait and see game with it. I've heard this particular train alarmed the hot bearing detector 20 miles back from where it went on the ground and they never stopped to inspect, instead leaving it to "Let's see what happens at the next detector." We all saw what happened as a result.
But yeah, it's the guys with hard hats and leather gloves making too much money and not working hard enough that's the problem, just like it's the oil companies not drilling on the permits they have is why oil is at $76/bbl.
First taught it was an optical illusion, bent tracks over miles, but no shit is real.
*am kinda surprised Musk has not been trying to sell some hyperloop
Video is speed up but still why would anyone even attempt to send a train down this rail.
*am kinda surprised Musk has not been trying to sell some hyperloop
Video is speed up but still why would anyone even attempt to send a train down this rail.
Local Farmer Sounds the Alarm: Why Did East Palestine Launch 'MyID' Emergency Service to Surveil Biometrics 1 Week Before Ohio Train Derailment? | The Gateway Pundit | by Alicia Powe
A man who lives nine miles away from where the Norfolk Southern train carrying toxic chemicals derailed in eastern Ohio reached out to The Gateway Pundit to sound the alarm on the bizarre coincidences that continue to pile up surrounding the incident.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
Wearable biometric devices launched to E. Palestine Residents one week before disaster.
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It was additional electric brakes that were cancelled, cars already operate on air brakes that work perfectly fine, but as usual it’s Trump’s fault for something that happened over two years into lefty regime and a rule that just barely took effect under Potato’s DoT. It’s like an ex blaming you for getting knocked up two years post divorce.
Re-read the article...
So, would the older air brake system have caused the crash if an axle bearing failed?
The only thing electronic brakes do differently than air is apply faster. There’s a continuous air line from front to back, fed by locomotives positioned where they may be, and it’s applied air pressure that releases the brakes from the wheels similar to a tractor-trailer. When the air line is broken and pressure is lost, anywhere along the line, the brakes are applied in emergency stop. Electronic brakes are faster by a couple-few seconds on a train that long, but the brakes are still pads engaging against a wheel set. If a wheel set is on fire because the bearing shit out, and the car is essentially riding on that bearing box, braking force is already compromised either due to a hot wheel or failed coupling of the car to the bearing and the car is going on the ground.
The Biden line is complete bullshit and a cop out.
Where air brakes can be the cause, or really any brakes, is when they fail to release and ride against the wheel. We have hot wheel detectors as well to pick this up, although those are much further spaced. I personally work an area where there isn’t one for over 100 miles for anything going east, whereas hot box (bearing) detectors are appx 20 miles apart and dragging equipment detectors are every 5-10 or so, depending on tie type.
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Local Farmer Sounds the Alarm: Why Did East Palestine Launch 'MyID' Emergency Service to Surveil Biometrics 1 Week Before Ohio Train Derailment? | The Gateway Pundit | by Alicia Powe
A man who lives nine miles away from where the Norfolk Southern train carrying toxic chemicals derailed in eastern Ohio reached out to The Gateway Pundit to sound the alarm on the bizarre coincidences that continue to pile up surrounding the incident.
www.thegatewaypundit.com
Pete Buttigieg lashes out at reporter asking about toxic Ohio train derailment
Buttigieg snapped that he was on “personal time” when questioned late Tuesday about his plans to visit the toxic train derailment site in East Palestine, Ohio — before asking if he could take a pho…
nypost.com
"Taking personal time to walk down the street" then takes pic of reporter.
Trump paid for and sent a bunch of food and water for residents ahead of his visit.
It's not difficult to catch in walking down the street. Just follow the trail of fairy dust.Pete Buttigieg lashes out at reporter asking about toxic Ohio train derailment
Buttigieg snapped that he was on “personal time” when questioned late Tuesday about his plans to visit the toxic train derailment site in East Palestine, Ohio — before asking if he could take a pho…
"Taking personal time to walk down the street" then takes pic of reporter.
This is a long video but well worth watching. If you have a busy schedule like me, you can just listen and still get the same information.
At about the 45 minute mark they discuss the MyID program that was previously launched in East Palestine prior to the derailment.
I have never been a conspiracy theorist but these man-made disasters don't appear to accidents.
At about the 45 minute mark they discuss the MyID program that was previously launched in East Palestine prior to the derailment.
I have never been a conspiracy theorist but these man-made disasters don't appear to accidents.
