Old ART/MPC scope

[m1marty]

Snagged this the other day. Sure don't see too many of these around anymore. Early serial # range, everything works. Someone was quite the artist....
As the story goes, it saw .mil use early in its life. Have no documentation supporting that, I bought it purely on a whim.

 

[kraigWY]

I bought one of those from a member here (forgot his name). Mine came with the manual and with care and adjusting your reloads to match the scales, its quite accurate as to matching the stadium lines to the cam.

 

[Pinmaster]

Nice grab m1marty, do you have a rifle to put it on? If not, then it may justify another build lol

 

[m1marty]

I don't have anything to put it on, no. Not sure if an M21/25 is a project I want to start right now....plenty of irons in the fire as it is.

 

[sandwarrior]

I bought one of those from a member here (forgot his name). Mine came with the manual and with care and adjusting your reloads to match the scales, its quite accurate as to matching the stadium lines to the cam.

That was ME... I forget stuff too, ha ha!...

 

[EDELWEISS]

Wow I talked about being trained on one (back in the last century) and got ridiculed. Im certainly glad to see its not happening again. I actually like it (on a M21). It was/is a great concept as a sniper optic. Yep today there are better options, especially with the availability of Laser Range Finders.

Still I think with current grade glass it would make a good DMR optic

 

[sirhrmechanic]

I have an ART II on my M1A. Looks cool. Doesn’t work for beans.

But did I mention... looks cool?

Sirhr

 

[EDELWEISS]

I have an ART II on my M1A. Looks cool. Doesn’t work for beans.

But did I mention... looks cool?

Sirhr

Can you explain what you mean by "doesn't work for beans"? Is it broken? Do you know how to use it?

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Ok... it does work to a degree. I do know how to use it. And it is a neat concept. It was just ahead of its time. The camming elevations are better in theory than in practice. And compared to modern long-travel optics, they are like comparing a Sopwith Camel to an F22.

From a vintage standpoint, however, they were a really neat design and did set a new standard back in the day. And on certain vintage guns (like my M1A) they are totally appropriate and very cool.

Not putting your acquisition down, because they are very cool bits of vintage kit.

But in 2019, they are a bit... quaint.

Very nice score BTW. The original ART scopes ( not the much cheaper commercial ART IIs) are getting rare and are really desireable for vintage builds!

Cheers, Sirhr

 

[EDELWEISS]

Yes its old technology, sorta like a 62 Corvette; but still a great concept and could be even better with todays optical potential. Not everything has to be digital knowing the old ways isn't a baaaad thing.

I do agree the military versions and even the original civilian models are superior to the current Chinese made Leatherwood scopes, which aren't real ARTs

 

[sandwarrior]

Ok... it does work to a degree. I do know how to use it. And it is a neat concept. It was just ahead of its time. The camming elevations are better in theory than in practice. And compared to modern long-travel optics, they are like comparing a Sopwith Camel to an F22.

From a vintage standpoint, however, they were a really neat design and did set a new standard back in the day. And on certain vintage guns (like my M1A) they are totally appropriate and very cool.

Not putting your acquisition down, because they are very cool bits of vintage kit.

But in 2019, they are a bit... quaint.

Very nice score BTW. The original ART scopes ( not the much cheaper commercial ART IIs) are getting rare and are really desireable for vintage builds!

Cheers, Sirhr

Operator error??...nudge, nudge, .... Just Kidding sirhr.? IMO, a fixed reticle with stadia demarcations is much easier to use. Even SFP.

So, I have to ask, is yours a true ART II or a cheap Chinese version (late Leatherwood)? The scope (MPC) I sold to Kraig was made by Weaver and it had the double crosshair. it was good quality, but not great, certainly not as good as a lot of glass I have looked through. I prefer that style of reticle (ART) to the ART II which is pretty much an overblown German #4.

 

[sirhrmechanic]

Operator error??...nudge, nudge, .... Just Kidding sirhr.? IMO, a fixed reticle with stadia demarcations is much easier to use. Even SFP.

So, I have to ask, is yours a true ART II or a cheap Chinese version (late Leatherwood)? The scope (MPC) I sold to Kraig was made by Weaver and it had the double crosshair. it was good quality, but not great, certainly not as good as a lot of glass I have looked through. I prefer that style of reticle (ART) to the ART II which is pretty much an overblown German #4.

I believe mine is a Leatherwood. It’s been years since I played with it! Cheers, Sirhr

 

[Pinmaster]

I don't have anything to put it on, no. Not sure if an M21/25 is a project I want to start right now....plenty of irons in the fire as it is.

Well looks like I am going to figure out something to do with it... ?

 

[Pinmaster]

I bought one of those from a member here (forgot his name). Mine came with the manual and with care and adjusting your reloads to match the scales, its quite accurate as to matching the stadium lines to the cam.

@kraigWY do you happen to have a scanned copy of the manual that you could share? I'm clueless on how to use scope.