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Greg,
Respectfully, I don't know what you're talking about.
You would think that there would be a common sense conversation, however those who oppose constitutional freedoms argue based on emotion and false narratives.
I have taken the position to have conversations without using negative adjectives or adverbs. Yeah so don't tell someone to pound sand or eff themselves.
We have to take the position of educating those who oppose. Before we hammer them with the facts and truth, we need to building a personal relationship with them so there can be a conversation. Changing an ideology doesn't happen overnight. I has taken decades for the socialists and communists to achieve the gains they enjoy today.
My personal experience with firearms with the DOD and outside is fairly broad. I can speak to all the fallacies of firearms as pronounced by the MSM, however the platform available to me to influence those who oppose firearms in any manner is non existent. Few view post via social media. MSM wont publish positive news about those who abide by the law and don't go on shooting sprees. The media will spin a positive event into a negative.
The only way to change the mentality of guns are evil and dangerous is to start with children, then teenagers, High-shoolers. While a recruiter, I use to take recruits to the local air to ground gun range, they'd watch A-10's, F18's drop practice bombs and shoot their gatling guns. We should use the active military and National Guard ranges around the nation and use them to educate the uneducated. Then will the ideology change.
So be nice and have a conversation, and if they become violent, well you know kill them ....
with kindness
THen the children need to get out there and make a racket like the ones in Florida and Virginia Beach. Student led rallies. My fathers generation paid for it, my generation paid for it, they need to get out there and pay for it, and hopefully onyl rallies will be necessary.Most days I strive not to be a "whackazoids" yet I fear if we do only what we have always done our liberty and our freedom will be lost. I would never advocate making foolish or unfounded threats. But I do think we need to find another way if we intent our children to enjoy the freedom our fathers gave to us.
I think that when I started this thread, I was trying to pour oil on troubled waters.
Well, the oil got there; but all it seems to have accomplished is to feed more flames.
Nothing I say seems to achieve my intended aim.
It calls into question whether my values are the same as The Hide's anymore.
I will have to think about this.
Greg
And then tell them.."If youuwant to keep yor rights YOU need to take action." NOW". Get out and suppoert the 2A. Let other kids see yo do it and they will jin in.Too many of we Old Farts remember when we were trained with 22 rifles and shot our best scores at the VFW or American Legion ranges.
We raised our kids to be ready to go to the range on Thursday night at 19:00 try to be first in line,and they hoped that they would get extra shots if they were doing good!!?
Lots of kids showed up and shot and got lots of training
Sadly that is no more.
Now the lawyers and building inspectors, on a whim, deem the ranges "Unsafe" and shut them down.
Where are our kids learning about firearms safety and how to do it now?
In short, this is "Take a Kid to the Range Day."
They are Kids, so let them ring the steel for a magazine or 2, then make them get down to shooting groups.
I am fortunate to live where I do.
Regards, FM
Perhaps I need to rephrase.
We are a respected voice for responsible gun owners. My concern is that we accurately reflect the responsible aspects of that ownership.
I become averse when the belligerence enters into that dialogue.
Some among us have seen where calls to violence lead, and/or have weathered a shooting war. I am a USMC Veteran of Vietnam, and also an immersed hometown witness to the Newark, NJ riots.
I cannot espouse anything that prompts us toward such an end. The more one knows of violence, the more one tries to keep it away from the door. If it comes, it will come soon enough without our hastening it.
Greg
I see a glow on the horizon.
I pray it’s change for the better.
I think that when I started this thread, I was trying to pour oil on troubled waters.
Well, the oil got there; but all it seems to have accomplished is to feed more flames.
Nothing I say seems to achieve my intended aim.
It calls into question whether my values are the same as The Hide's anymore.
I will have to think about this.
Greg
At this point I’m afraid we can’t take the country back until we let them have it first. Unconventionally speaking of course.
metaphorically speaking, of course.At this point I’m afraid we can’t take the country back until we let them have it first. Unconventionally speaking of course.
It was forced optimism, I’m afraid you are correct.I applaud your optimism. Nonetheless, it's most likely artillery.
I am just so pleased to see how well my message has been received.
What part of "Stop talking shite" are you people having so much trouble understanding?
You deserve what you bring down on all our heads, and I guess I do too, for posting this topic.
Greg
PS Maybe if the Mods WOULD PLEASE simply lock the thread, it will stop. Probably not.
I don't know how many of our resident firebrands have actually had to survive a shooting war. I know for a fact that if they had seen what I've seen, they'd be putting on the brakes here.
Ignorance kills.
I think that when I started this thread, I was trying to pour oil on troubled waters.
Well, the oil got there; but all it seems to have accomplished is to feed more flames.
Nothing I say seems to achieve my intended aim.
It calls into question whether my values are the same as The Hide's anymore.
I will have to think about this.
Greg
Damn talking history repeating? Are you going to do another poll of membership to see wither you should stay or leave like you have in the past?I think that when I started this thread, I was trying to pour oil on troubled waters.
Well, the oil got there; but all it seems to have accomplished is to feed more flames.
Nothing I say seems to achieve my intended aim.
It calls into question whether my values are the same as The Hide's anymore.
I will have to think about this.
Greg
I agree with the premise that some rabid folks can make us look bad and these will be poster boys for the left. When I feel that way I express that opinion directly. But I will never ever oppose their right to say it. Free speech is healthy and sometimes a bit offensive. But the alternative (silence) is the most dangerous thing in the world.
Speech is non-lethal, Silence can be deadly.
I have signatures turned off to make my reading easier, but went and looked yours up. I think that it bears posting for those others that nmay do the same as I do.Yea...that’s the wat it’s supposed to be. It isn’t, because see my signature....
ExactlyI have signatures turned off to make my reading easier, but went and looked yours up. I think that it bears posting for those others that nmay do the same as I do.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
― C.S. Lewis
I can't believe I am agreeing with you?Greg is upset that we're not automatically listening to him and deferring our commentary in opposition to Progressive rhetoric of threats of involuntary disarmament of Conservatives and/or civil war until it's too damned late to defend the Republic. What he wrote wasn't an Op/Ed. It was a fiat.
I'll wear that as a badge of honor, think you very much !!!!!Like Veer, you're also ignored.
I'll wear that as a badge of honor, think you very much !!!!!