I hear he threw a Susan B Anthony through the St Louis Arch from the Illinois shoreline by hyper-spinning it counter clockwise to make the spin drift work for his political leanings.
OpEd: Are we losing it? ...Or, what are we losing?
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I hear he threw a Susan B Anthony through the St Louis Arch from the Illinois shoreline by hyper-spinning it counter clockwise to make the spin drift work for his political leanings.
Right now the teachers in this country are better organized than the gun owners.
Here is a excerpt from a book. Many will know which one.
The end result, which we want to avoid, is the concentration camp. The gulag. The gas chamber. The
Spanish Inquisition. All of those things. If you are in a death camp, no one would fault you for resisting.
But when you're being herded towards the gas chamber, naked and seventy pounds below your healthy
weight, it's too late. You have no chance. On the other hand, no one would support you if you started an
armed rebellion because the government posts speed limits on open roads and arrests people for speeding.
So when was it not too late, but also not too early?"...........
.........."A woman's confronted by a big, strong, stranger. She doesn't know what he's planning, and she's cautious.
Getting away from him's not possible. They're in a room and he's standing in front of the only way out, or
she's in a wheelchair—whatever. Leaving the area's not an option.
"So now he starts to do things she doesn't like. He asks her for money. She can try to talk him out of it, just
like we argue for lower taxes, and maybe it will work. If it doesn't, and she gets outvoted, she'll probably
choose to give it to him instead of getting into a fight to the death over ten dollars. You would probably
choose to pay your taxes rather than have police arrive to throw you in jail.
"Maybe this big man demands some other things, other minor assaults on this woman's dignity. When
should she claw at his eyes or shove her ballpoint pen in his throat? When he tries to force her to kiss him?
Tries to force her to let him touch her? Tries to force her to have sex with him?" Henry took a deep breath
and shrugged.
"Those are questions that each woman has to answer for herself. There is one situation, though, where I tell
the women to fight to the death. That's when the man pulls out a pair of handcuffs and says, 'Come on, I
promise I won't hurt you, this is just so you won't flail around and hurt either of us by accident. Come on, I
just want to talk, get in the van and let me handcuff you to this eyebolt here, and I promise I won't touch
you. I'm not asking you to put on a gag or anything, and since you can still scream for help, you know
you'll be safe. Come on, I got a full bar in here, and color TV, and air conditioning, great stereo, come on,
just put on the cuffs.'
"I tell women that if that ever happens, maybe the man is telling the truth, and maybe after talking to her
for a while he'll let her go and she will have had a good time drinking champagne and listening to music.
But if she gets in the van and puts her wrists in the handcuffs, she has just given up her future ability to
fight, and now it is too late." Henry realized he had been making eye contact with all the other people in the
lecture hall, just as he did when he taught a course. Now he looked directly at the professor.
"How do you spot the precise point where a society is standing at the back of the van and the State has the
handcuffs out?
Here is a excerpt from a book. Many will know which one.
The end result, which we want to avoid, is the concentration camp. The gulag. The gas chamber. The
Spanish Inquisition. All of those things. If you are in a death camp, no one would fault you for resisting.
But when you're being herded towards the gas chamber, naked and seventy pounds below your healthy
weight, it's too late. You have no chance. On the other hand, no one would support you if you started an
armed rebellion because the government posts speed limits on open roads and arrests people for speeding.
So when was it not too late, but also not too early?"...........
.........."A woman's confronted by a big, strong, stranger. She doesn't know what he's planning, and she's cautious.
Getting away from him's not possible. They're in a room and he's standing in front of the only way out, or
she's in a wheelchair—whatever. Leaving the area's not an option.
"So now he starts to do things she doesn't like. He asks her for money. She can try to talk him out of it, just
like we argue for lower taxes, and maybe it will work. If it doesn't, and she gets outvoted, she'll probably
choose to give it to him instead of getting into a fight to the death over ten dollars. You would probably
choose to pay your taxes rather than have police arrive to throw you in jail.
"Maybe this big man demands some other things, other minor assaults on this woman's dignity. When
should she claw at his eyes or shove her ballpoint pen in his throat? When he tries to force her to kiss him?
Tries to force her to let him touch her? Tries to force her to have sex with him?" Henry took a deep breath
and shrugged.
"Those are questions that each woman has to answer for herself. There is one situation, though, where I tell
the women to fight to the death. That's when the man pulls out a pair of handcuffs and says, 'Come on, I
promise I won't hurt you, this is just so you won't flail around and hurt either of us by accident. Come on, I
just want to talk, get in the van and let me handcuff you to this eyebolt here, and I promise I won't touch
you. I'm not asking you to put on a gag or anything, and since you can still scream for help, you know
you'll be safe. Come on, I got a full bar in here, and color TV, and air conditioning, great stereo, come on,
just put on the cuffs.'
"I tell women that if that ever happens, maybe the man is telling the truth, and maybe after talking to her
for a while he'll let her go and she will have had a good time drinking champagne and listening to music.
But if she gets in the van and puts her wrists in the handcuffs, she has just given up her future ability to
fight, and now it is too late." Henry realized he had been making eye contact with all the other people in the
lecture hall, just as he did when he taught a course. Now he looked directly at the professor.
"How do you spot the precise point where a society is standing at the back of the van and the State has the
handcuffs out?
That is an excellent excerpt and pretty much sums up how history has always gone.
Always too early to fight and have support, but then too late to be able to fight.
The problem is that is not by accident, it's a plan specifically designed to make it so you can't effectively fight with support.
I'm not all that hopeful that the cycle won't be repeated again.
Always too early to fight and have support, but then too late to be able to fight.
The problem is that is not by accident, it's a plan specifically designed to make it so you can't effectively fight with support.
I'm not all that hopeful that the cycle won't be repeated again.
Q
QuickNDirty
Guest
https://billstclair.com/Unintended-Consequences.pdf
That one. I'm halfway through myself. Excerpt from page 291.
Spin and mud, and I'm the liberal. I'd expected something more original and hopefully intelligent, but it's all just the same old spin and mud.
You can call me whatever, accuse me of whatever, it just won't stick. People know me for who I am, who I've always been, and no amount of posturing and feeble mischaracterization by you is going to gain any traction anywhere but inside your own small minds.
Folks here are already seeing you for who you are; a small clot of disgruntled hotheads, spewing macho BS and shouting down anyone who won't toe your line. You confuse talk with action, but no glowing words will deflect what's coming. Waste your breath talking, distracting the rest of us with your hollow rhetoric. But every time you give your yap, you target yourself and everyone else in your vicinity
I prefer to speak softly, and the time for even the softer talk has passed. You're living in the past. The words of prior centuries can comfort you. But this is not that other time and age; one where Tommy Redcoat did not have thermal imaging and missile armed drones, facial recognition and NSA eavesdropping. You're going to need more than glowing rhetoric to face up to that, and I don't think you have even a clue what you do need.
Like the villagers with the pitchforks and torches, you will go down in the first wave. Alongside your carcasses will be those folks who believed your way was the only way.
Call me whatever you like, rage and fume, sling mud and call names. Push and shove and stand so tall with your pack at your back. That's what the schoolyard bullies do.
I'll tell you once again, I'm not going anywhere; I will bend no knee, nor allow myself to be run out of The 'Hide on your rail.
Have fun being small minds with big mouths, because that's all you'll manage.
Hard times are coming, so when you bark at the mailman, and show your teeth, you've done all you can actually do. That's just the ticket. It'll serve as a shining example of how best to face the coming storm. Wherever you're headed, some of us can see where that is, and I say no thanks.
Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid, as you will become clear even to the likes of you all too soon enough.
Unintended Consequences is great reading, but it's not a practical guide for these days, and besides, do you seriously believe that gun owners are the only ones who have read it? I read it the first time back around 2000.
Have a nice day.
Greg
PS, The ignore list is now empty. I'd rather like to see just how far you mental giants will actually go, how far you'd push your luck playing Fuck You with LL's site rules; and how far the Mods will let you go before they come up against their own gag reflexes, assuming they still have any. SH is watching all of us.
You can call me whatever, accuse me of whatever, it just won't stick. People know me for who I am, who I've always been, and no amount of posturing and feeble mischaracterization by you is going to gain any traction anywhere but inside your own small minds.
Folks here are already seeing you for who you are; a small clot of disgruntled hotheads, spewing macho BS and shouting down anyone who won't toe your line. You confuse talk with action, but no glowing words will deflect what's coming. Waste your breath talking, distracting the rest of us with your hollow rhetoric. But every time you give your yap, you target yourself and everyone else in your vicinity
I prefer to speak softly, and the time for even the softer talk has passed. You're living in the past. The words of prior centuries can comfort you. But this is not that other time and age; one where Tommy Redcoat did not have thermal imaging and missile armed drones, facial recognition and NSA eavesdropping. You're going to need more than glowing rhetoric to face up to that, and I don't think you have even a clue what you do need.
Like the villagers with the pitchforks and torches, you will go down in the first wave. Alongside your carcasses will be those folks who believed your way was the only way.
Call me whatever you like, rage and fume, sling mud and call names. Push and shove and stand so tall with your pack at your back. That's what the schoolyard bullies do.
I'll tell you once again, I'm not going anywhere; I will bend no knee, nor allow myself to be run out of The 'Hide on your rail.
Have fun being small minds with big mouths, because that's all you'll manage.
Hard times are coming, so when you bark at the mailman, and show your teeth, you've done all you can actually do. That's just the ticket. It'll serve as a shining example of how best to face the coming storm. Wherever you're headed, some of us can see where that is, and I say no thanks.
Life's hard. It's even harder when you're stupid, as you will become clear even to the likes of you all too soon enough.
Unintended Consequences is great reading, but it's not a practical guide for these days, and besides, do you seriously believe that gun owners are the only ones who have read it? I read it the first time back around 2000.
Have a nice day.
Greg
PS, The ignore list is now empty. I'd rather like to see just how far you mental giants will actually go, how far you'd push your luck playing Fuck You with LL's site rules; and how far the Mods will let you go before they come up against their own gag reflexes, assuming they still have any. SH is watching all of us.
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You, the OP, dug the hole you own it. Your just pissed you outed yourself from the get go an thought you could cow-toe the crowd with what you perceive as your stature. Clue, it don't work that way with most here. Not Questioning what is perceived as authority is why we are where we are at these days.
Hell yes, I own it. It was just a hole until you turned it into a cesspool. Be that way. Feeble and ineffectual; great with slurs, not much about a clear path.
Since you know so much about doing the right thing, what's your plan, Great Guru? I mean beyond purging SH of me and the likes...
Greg
Since you know so much about doing the right thing, what's your plan, Great Guru? I mean beyond purging SH of me and the likes...
Greg
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Not exactly sure who that was aimed at. My excerpt from Unintended Consequences was to point out that we are in fact screwed. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't. I am not worried one bit about our military. purely because I believe we have friends in the military, It will not be easy for them to fire on their own friends and family.
But to even get to that point you have to get past looking like some crazy ass zealot that takes over a bird refugee in Oregon.
The point to the excerpt was also, the last line.
Might sound like a pussy, but one of the most moving moments in my life was when I visited the Alamo. As I stood there and pondered what it takes in a man to fight, to fight a battle that really can not be won. It would have been so easy to surrender to the Mexicans.
I am not advocating violence (yet) but there are others out there who will cross the line, and make gun owners even more evil.
Believe me, it's not about you.
To those who have an open mind, I made my point and the message ought to be clear. Stand you ground in respectable dignity. Let others sell their line of aggressive defiance. If the only ones their belligerent rhetoric was harming was they themselves, it wouldn't be such great loss; but they hide behind the decent majority and paint them (us) all with the same broad brush.
Misery loves company, but that company isn't looking for their brand misery.
Communist VC used this tactic, being the parasites dug in like ticks. They forced the others to endure so many things they had no hand in attracting. It was the tactic of cowards.
Greg
GF14, Engaging you has simply become the same repetitive shit slinging that you are getting so good at. You flail about making pointless accusations. You have become a colossal bore.
To those who have an open mind, I made my point and the message ought to be clear. Stand you ground in respectable dignity. Let others sell their line of aggressive defiance. If the only ones their belligerent rhetoric was harming was they themselves, it wouldn't be such great loss; but they hide behind the decent majority and paint them (us) all with the same broad brush.
Misery loves company, but that company isn't looking for their brand misery.
Communist VC used this tactic, being the parasites dug in like ticks. They forced the others to endure so many things they had no hand in attracting. It was the tactic of cowards.
Greg
GF14, Engaging you has simply become the same repetitive shit slinging that you are getting so good at. You flail about making pointless accusations. You have become a colossal bore.
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I did not start the shit storm oh great one. You fucking thought your high an mighty ass was above everyone else because of, age an hide time. Bullshit fuck stick, most have allowed your shit to spew for along time w/o calling your ass on it. It's about time you learned your ass like mine means nothing when you go off the deep end. You talked all the trash when you moved from ny then started whining about where your at now, not to long ago. You picked the place you moved there then started bitching about dirt bags from mexico being around. You don't think one move ahead let alone two, yet it's always some ones else's fault, which IIRC is the liberal play book
Greg's initial premise is correct - you'll know when its time. Until then......
The other day I was reading Hillary Clinton's letters to Saul Alinsky - and in reading about Saul, and aside from the fact the the CIA has run the show since the death of JFK, it is clear that it is his organizing strategy that is difficult to over come. That guy was a true professional dick.
Regarding posting stuff on the net -
Bonus - Facebook was a killed DARPA mass surveillance program called Lifellog. They have been working on this since 1996. Right now they can game out the odds of anyone on here, or anywhere else of ever truly getting sporty.....
Facebook tracks non users
The other day I was reading Hillary Clinton's letters to Saul Alinsky - and in reading about Saul, and aside from the fact the the CIA has run the show since the death of JFK, it is clear that it is his organizing strategy that is difficult to over come. That guy was a true professional dick.
Regarding posting stuff on the net -
Bonus - Facebook was a killed DARPA mass surveillance program called Lifellog. They have been working on this since 1996. Right now they can game out the odds of anyone on here, or anywhere else of ever truly getting sporty.....
Facebook tracks non users
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This might go down as one of the most epic threads for personal character attacks ever.
To reference the above post, there was (probably several) classified program(s) in progress with the goal to basically map the links between basically everybody in the USA & the world so "they" could at a glance see who might have talked to or communicated with someone. I am not sure if it is still in operation or not, but not long after that leaked out, it seems somebody decided, why do it secretly and at government expense when you could put a shiny tech nerd face on it & make it pay for itself & have the whole world willingly pour in all their data & connections & where they are every day & sound & motion continuous recordings along with pinpoint locations & links to everything they do online & everyone they communicate with?
Way too much of a wet dream for our intelligence agencies, for them Not to have been involved.
I can't blame our intelligence agencies for doing their mandate (Gather all the data and communications on everyone, for use as the government sees fit), as completely as possible.
Right now people in the USA are just starting to get the hint that they are now mind controlled, tagged, watched & classified cattle thanks to their love of "free" technology and stuff. They are already openly bragging about how they can manipulate people's social media addiction to control their views, emotions, mental state, voting & personal / political choices.
In places like China, it's already going to the dark side of open repressive totalitarian control with active face matching 24x7 in the streets, "Social Responsibility" scores for each citizen, active censorship of topics in real time, down to the personal messaging level. All this "Hate speech control" is just warming the USA up for them slowly doing the same kind of real time clamp down, Facebook already admitted they censor their messenger application in real time... coming soon to everything.
Unless there is a total economic collapse, and a general fall & rebuilding of civilization, I don't see it getting any better, rather the noose tightening till the nails sticking up start getting hammered down one at a time at night in their beds.
To reference the above post, there was (probably several) classified program(s) in progress with the goal to basically map the links between basically everybody in the USA & the world so "they" could at a glance see who might have talked to or communicated with someone. I am not sure if it is still in operation or not, but not long after that leaked out, it seems somebody decided, why do it secretly and at government expense when you could put a shiny tech nerd face on it & make it pay for itself & have the whole world willingly pour in all their data & connections & where they are every day & sound & motion continuous recordings along with pinpoint locations & links to everything they do online & everyone they communicate with?
Way too much of a wet dream for our intelligence agencies, for them Not to have been involved.
I can't blame our intelligence agencies for doing their mandate (Gather all the data and communications on everyone, for use as the government sees fit), as completely as possible.
Right now people in the USA are just starting to get the hint that they are now mind controlled, tagged, watched & classified cattle thanks to their love of "free" technology and stuff. They are already openly bragging about how they can manipulate people's social media addiction to control their views, emotions, mental state, voting & personal / political choices.
In places like China, it's already going to the dark side of open repressive totalitarian control with active face matching 24x7 in the streets, "Social Responsibility" scores for each citizen, active censorship of topics in real time, down to the personal messaging level. All this "Hate speech control" is just warming the USA up for them slowly doing the same kind of real time clamp down, Facebook already admitted they censor their messenger application in real time... coming soon to everything.
Unless there is a total economic collapse, and a general fall & rebuilding of civilization, I don't see it getting any better, rather the noose tightening till the nails sticking up start getting hammered down one at a time at night in their beds.
So your plan is to...?
...And this is all my fault because...?
Babble babble...
Look, there's more to SH than verbal fencing with glaring, foaming pains in the collective ass of SH.
I'm gong to see if there's something actually useful I could be devoting my time to here.
TTFN;
Greg
...And this is all my fault because...?
Babble babble...
Look, there's more to SH than verbal fencing with glaring, foaming pains in the collective ass of SH.
I'm gong to see if there's something actually useful I could be devoting my time to here.
TTFN;
Greg
I think your view of how others think of your opinion is skewed.
You are not wrong, but others opinion is not wrong either.
They are welcome to their opinions just as I am mine. But when said opinion veers into the area of personal attacks, its not an opinion any more, it's an attack, and that's supposed to be forbidden under the site rules.
I use italics for the benefit of the Moderator who is supposed to be monitoring and regulating such things; but apparently not in this case, though.
Greg
PS I made reference a while back about how disputes involving myself are handled under a different standard than anybody else, and told you folks that it's OK, it can never happen to you. That was no hollow accusation, it is plain and simple fact.
Here's a little tidbit, a dirty little secret, at least some of the Mods are holding close to their chests, away from the eyes of the general membership.
Some years back, I was being subjected to the same sort of hounding personal vilification by another pack of esteemed members of The
'Hide, now gone for cause after being emboldened by the inaction of the Mods.
At that time, I PM'ed the Mod and inquired why it was being allowed to continue. He responded that I was not one of his favored forum members, and that he was simply waiting for me to say or do something so he could ban me permanently. When I protested this, he said I should take it up with LL; so I did.
The next day, the Mod PM' me back informing me that from now on the Mods would be washing their hands of me because I went over their heads. They would be turning those heads and looking the other way whenever people jumped me, that I was on my own, and that I could expect the Mods to do precisely what they are doing right here. Nothing.
Think about how this would read if it was you sitting in my seat.
Doubters can ask LL for confirmation, he's an honest guy and I don't think he has any reason to to be anything but truthful about this.
I will not be bullied by soreheads with their panties in a knot, or by Mods who think they can get by with any damned thing they want to in direct defiance of the site rule.
So yes, this topic does indeed have the potential to go down in site history concerning the subject of personal attacks, but maybe not just the way some might wish.
Watch this space, because if I'm gone anytime soon, it won't be by my own choice; and I think it will leave a stink here at The 'Hide for some time to come. SH is watching all of this.
I use italics for the benefit of the Moderator who is supposed to be monitoring and regulating such things; but apparently not in this case, though.
Greg
PS I made reference a while back about how disputes involving myself are handled under a different standard than anybody else, and told you folks that it's OK, it can never happen to you. That was no hollow accusation, it is plain and simple fact.
Here's a little tidbit, a dirty little secret, at least some of the Mods are holding close to their chests, away from the eyes of the general membership.
Some years back, I was being subjected to the same sort of hounding personal vilification by another pack of esteemed members of The
'Hide, now gone for cause after being emboldened by the inaction of the Mods.
At that time, I PM'ed the Mod and inquired why it was being allowed to continue. He responded that I was not one of his favored forum members, and that he was simply waiting for me to say or do something so he could ban me permanently. When I protested this, he said I should take it up with LL; so I did.
The next day, the Mod PM' me back informing me that from now on the Mods would be washing their hands of me because I went over their heads. They would be turning those heads and looking the other way whenever people jumped me, that I was on my own, and that I could expect the Mods to do precisely what they are doing right here. Nothing.
Think about how this would read if it was you sitting in my seat.
Doubters can ask LL for confirmation, he's an honest guy and I don't think he has any reason to to be anything but truthful about this.
I will not be bullied by soreheads with their panties in a knot, or by Mods who think they can get by with any damned thing they want to in direct defiance of the site rule.
So yes, this topic does indeed have the potential to go down in site history concerning the subject of personal attacks, but maybe not just the way some might wish.
Watch this space, because if I'm gone anytime soon, it won't be by my own choice; and I think it will leave a stink here at The 'Hide for some time to come. SH is watching all of this.
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Who needs a moderator? Nobody has threatened you. Lol. You are a good guy, best to just ignore what bothers you.
There are several - including Biometic. The meta data portion has existed for some time.
Start at 38 minutes in.
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This is where dyslexia and turrets pays off, you cant track crazy. Finally my liability pays off. Good luck to all you trained slaves, following rules and spending hundreds of thousands on your university indoctrination all your lives has made you predictable slaves. Whoever said the meek will inherit the earth never heard of AI and Metadata, people like me will inherit the earth. hahahhaha good luck slave boys.
Jerry - you should watch minutes 38 - 42.
This is just ONE program.
They have been running hard at this since 1996. Between super computers and game theory - your entire life is predictable. It is theorized (and they are working on implantibles now) that in the not so distant future, your very thoughts can be read, by means of electronic invasion and fed into a computer - pre crime.
People need to read up on Artificial Intelligence. In the simplest of terms, AI is a synthetic brain. They have developed computers that can now learn. It is like a baby - it learns based on the info it is fed. It then begins to think based on programing. There is a lot to consider there.
This is just ONE program.
They have been running hard at this since 1996. Between super computers and game theory - your entire life is predictable. It is theorized (and they are working on implantibles now) that in the not so distant future, your very thoughts can be read, by means of electronic invasion and fed into a computer - pre crime.
People need to read up on Artificial Intelligence. In the simplest of terms, AI is a synthetic brain. They have developed computers that can now learn. It is like a baby - it learns based on the info it is fed. It then begins to think based on programing. There is a lot to consider there.
Their tasks are made simpler by the hotheads who jump up and offer up their knee jerk defiance.
Don't mind the cameras, they have nothing to do with anything you'd be involved in.
Bender, you're right; I'll take your advice.
Right?
Don't mind the cameras, they have nothing to do with anything you'd be involved in.
Bender, you're right; I'll take your advice.
Right?
Q
QuickNDirty
Guest
Would seem to me that if the congress critters cared at all about the future they'd be trying to prohibit crazy shit like it being possible that .gov could at some point mandate that people have implants that transmit their thoughts over the new 5G network rather than trying to do dumb shit like ban scary looking firearms.
Need a good way to get good people elected to positions where they'd be able to do stuff like that. Also need a good way to find good people to do that job.
What kind of whining, liberal bullshit is that?
Just an FYI we lost in V/N because we played by the rules, same thing we are doing with the rag heads. Why, because it's about control, an money. The gun control fight is about this nation, fuck the rules of niceness. Let it be known it's not a roll over an die thats coming.
Just so I get this right, your not doing a poll this time, wither you should leave or not? Well I guess that's an improvement!
Facebook = Lifelog = DARPA.
Facebook Building 8 is now run in China b/c of fewer restrictions on testing implants in live people. FB BLD 8 was run by the former head of DARPA
Also remember the other DARPA venture Boston Dynamics ?
Boston Dynamics is a spin off from MIT - which is both a Private and Fed Funded Research Lab; BD was funded by DARPA, then sold to Google, then sold to Alphabet, then to SoftBank in Japan. Just prior to the sale, key software ownership was transferred to VT MAK
As you recall BD has been building (potential hunter killer) robots
Facebook Building 8 is now run in China b/c of fewer restrictions on testing implants in live people. FB BLD 8 was run by the former head of DARPA
Also remember the other DARPA venture Boston Dynamics ?
Boston Dynamics is a spin off from MIT - which is both a Private and Fed Funded Research Lab; BD was funded by DARPA, then sold to Google, then sold to Alphabet, then to SoftBank in Japan. Just prior to the sale, key software ownership was transferred to VT MAK
As you recall BD has been building (potential hunter killer) robots
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Hmm. Interesting conversation.
I don't agree with a whole ton of shit that gets bandied about in the Bear Pit ... most who are vocal here are much more conservative than I, and there is indeed an echo chamber effect that goes on here, with fellas attempting to one-up each other with more virulent (and sometimes pretty funny) posts. That said, it helps keep me honest about what others think, and most importantly about what I think.
Good discussion, even if it has gone off the rails with the personal attacks.
I don't agree with a whole ton of shit that gets bandied about in the Bear Pit ... most who are vocal here are much more conservative than I, and there is indeed an echo chamber effect that goes on here, with fellas attempting to one-up each other with more virulent (and sometimes pretty funny) posts. That said, it helps keep me honest about what others think, and most importantly about what I think.
Good discussion, even if it has gone off the rails with the personal attacks.
It is a person's duty to resist injustice where ever it is found, must the citizen ever for a moment or in the least degree, resign his conscience to the legislator ? H.D. Thoreau....
Every normal man must be tempted to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
H. L. Mencken
By whatever means necessary.
Malcolm X
Everyone of us, of a certain age were indoctrinated by the U.S. government, to the above thought process through public education.
And further a bunch of us were reminded by an oath....
That a number of people here still hold those principles, and voice them, is American. The American way.
Anything less is born out by history to not be the principles America was born under. To attempt to muzzle Americans invites a bite on the hand trying to put the muzzle on.
Pick up the muzzle at your own risk and expect you just might get bit. X not, lest you be X'ed.... just sayin.
This whole topic started because several people hotly debated legislative bs in less than Sunday School demeanor and was found offensive. Those people willing to be offensive aren't going to back down...
Fair warning to any muzzler. It is what it is.
Will this become another pit epic...... ??
Every normal man must be tempted to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
H. L. Mencken
By whatever means necessary.
Malcolm X
Everyone of us, of a certain age were indoctrinated by the U.S. government, to the above thought process through public education.
And further a bunch of us were reminded by an oath....
That a number of people here still hold those principles, and voice them, is American. The American way.
Anything less is born out by history to not be the principles America was born under. To attempt to muzzle Americans invites a bite on the hand trying to put the muzzle on.
Pick up the muzzle at your own risk and expect you just might get bit. X not, lest you be X'ed.... just sayin.
This whole topic started because several people hotly debated legislative bs in less than Sunday School demeanor and was found offensive. Those people willing to be offensive aren't going to back down...
Fair warning to any muzzler. It is what it is.
Will this become another pit epic...... ??
Here’s a thought for all....one way or the other, some big things are going to happen by mid terms this November.
Gonna get hot this summer......early too...
Gonna get hot this summer......early too...
That's what I'm thinking, too. Since the hush hush meeting of the Soros and Bloomberg, Oprah and Teddy Boy Turner factions early this year, all manner of loony and not so loony ventures have been coming out of the woodwork, ranging from a Republican (Vermont of all places) Governor going all strange on gun control, to California hatching a crackpot initiative to split the state into three separate, sovereign (oh sure...!) state.
The first, I think some forensic accounting is in order, and the second, maybe folks want Gov Brown (and his brandy new clones) to pack the Senate with four more Dem Senators,. It's so transparent it, laughable.
Or not...
...And let's not forget Hogg Boy with his Bloomberg-paid Everytown 'advisors' whispering in his ears. Remember Move On, Occupy, and BLM.
Prepare to become old news Hoggsie the very second you start to get even a little bit stale on the shelf.
Here in AZ, our Repocrat Governor is expected to drop another Gun Control Fart right into the midst of the Gun Owners' state capital rally; more Californicators spreading their particular brand of joy outside their borders.
The personal stuff here is just a distraction, it needs to be put in the past. Since my newest current parasite just simply refuses to put down the keyboard, yet has nothing actually useful to add to the conversation, I'm giving myself a hard earned rest and putting him back to Ignore.
Greg
The first, I think some forensic accounting is in order, and the second, maybe folks want Gov Brown (and his brandy new clones) to pack the Senate with four more Dem Senators,. It's so transparent it, laughable.
Or not...
...And let's not forget Hogg Boy with his Bloomberg-paid Everytown 'advisors' whispering in his ears. Remember Move On, Occupy, and BLM.
Prepare to become old news Hoggsie the very second you start to get even a little bit stale on the shelf.
Here in AZ, our Repocrat Governor is expected to drop another Gun Control Fart right into the midst of the Gun Owners' state capital rally; more Californicators spreading their particular brand of joy outside their borders.
The personal stuff here is just a distraction, it needs to be put in the past. Since my newest current parasite just simply refuses to put down the keyboard, yet has nothing actually useful to add to the conversation, I'm giving myself a hard earned rest and putting him back to Ignore.
Greg
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You're doing a wonderful job of showing everyone just who and what you are. You pathetic little hypocrite of a man. You really don't get it. Your very own words above scream to your pathetic inability to grasp the obvious. They're simply tired of your shit Gregory, capisce? Many of us are and have been. You've cut more people to the bone than I care to remember, yet when YOUR shit comes back at you you run to Mommy and Daddy just like @Maggot when things don't go your way. How fucking weak is that? You simply amaze me little man. You're not special Jimmy. None of us are. But you keep thinking you're some kind of special son of a bitch and we'll keep laughing our asses off at your expense. Now go lick a fucking boot.
looks like Pa is falling in with rest of them changes are coming to many dems and they all hunt thats whats sad they dont see the big picture and dont believe they will take their hunting guns. they just made it legal to use those evil black rifles as hunting guns for varmint hunting how could they.
I remember many years ago how someone I thought of as a "friend" here on SH had some kind of a
crisis with funding for a problem with his Wife and posted about that. I took it hook, line and sinker. What a fool I was.
I exchanged a PM or 2 with you and sent checks in the USPS, with return address, what little bit I could spare, with a note it was from the "East Bank of the South Platte River" in hopes it would give you a little bit of humor and make things better.
I did that several times, it was never much, $50 bucks or so, and I was sending what little bit I saved and would normally have used it to make a better rifle or buy reloading supplies or whatever. I gave it up to help someone I thought needed it more that I.
Did I receive a Post Card or letter? No, ZIP, Not, NADA but the checks were cashed.
And now you wonder where your "friends" are?
At the time I sent these "donations" I was not retired but busting my ass every day out in the "Oil Patch"
Now I see posted along the Hide, neat things you have done, posted on other threads, that I would have liked to have done myself but couldn't do it as my "spare change went elsewhere"
What did I finance? Is it fun? I hope it is. I miss what I sent you because I didn't get to use those funds for myself and my Grandchildren.
Take your ball and go home. Hopefully back to NY where you don't pollute the gene pool in Arizona and you will fit in. FM
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crisis with funding for a problem with his Wife and posted about that. I took it hook, line and sinker. What a fool I was.
I exchanged a PM or 2 with you and sent checks in the USPS, with return address, what little bit I could spare, with a note it was from the "East Bank of the South Platte River" in hopes it would give you a little bit of humor and make things better.
I did that several times, it was never much, $50 bucks or so, and I was sending what little bit I saved and would normally have used it to make a better rifle or buy reloading supplies or whatever. I gave it up to help someone I thought needed it more that I.
Did I receive a Post Card or letter? No, ZIP, Not, NADA but the checks were cashed.
And now you wonder where your "friends" are?
At the time I sent these "donations" I was not retired but busting my ass every day out in the "Oil Patch"
Now I see posted along the Hide, neat things you have done, posted on other threads, that I would have liked to have done myself but couldn't do it as my "spare change went elsewhere"
What did I finance? Is it fun? I hope it is. I miss what I sent you because I didn't get to use those funds for myself and my Grandchildren.
Take your ball and go home. Hopefully back to NY where you don't pollute the gene pool in Arizona and you will fit in. FM
did
Washington also chopped down his fathers favorite sequoia tree and blamed it on Lincoln. It was so big it fell across the Potomac. Joyce Kilmer then wrote a poem about it.
You guys need a history lesson.
I am an Asshole and I know it, but I speak the Truth.
I just put it out there as it was or is.
I am known as Foul Mike everywhere around here and by God I earned it.
I tell no lies and don't speak ill of others unless they deserve it. FM
I just put it out there as it was or is.
I am known as Foul Mike everywhere around here and by God I earned it.
I tell no lies and don't speak ill of others unless they deserve it. FM
You started this shit, by outing yourself, then tried to bluff everyone by relying on the mods an Frank to save your ass. Fucking kid shit, maybe you need to take life lessons from my Grandson. You dig a hole get called on it then blame others, fucking rich! Should we drag up your other whinny shit from the past?
Mike, don't sell yourself short here. You're one of the most solid SOB's on here day in and day out. You're one of our elders who has earned and deserves our respect. Others not so much. But that's entirely on them. You've got a ton of friends on here that hold you in high regard and would have your back through thick n thin. That's what really counts.
The flopping fish is true to form, read what he now says in the
What you are witnessing is not you father's or grandfather's socialism anymore! <----> Thread before he edits or deletes it
Fucking internet gold !!!!!
Edit to add,... I Have it saved over there now so no hurry.
What you are witnessing is not you father's or grandfather's socialism anymore! <----> Thread before he edits or deletes it
Fucking internet gold !!!!!
Edit to add,... I Have it saved over there now so no hurry.
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Well, thank you, Mike. I was the actual recipient.
I was just a year out of CABGx4 heart surgery, following bouts with both Hodgkins and Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma. The second bout had exhausted our family's health insurance, and I was facing billing in the high 6 figures. Meanwhile, my Wife had a case of Versa related toxic shock, and was three weeks into a coma in the ICU.
I never saw the receipts come in, and the names of the donors were never furnished to me since a decision had been made to protect the privacy of the donors, and not made by me. This was made clear to all donors at the time.
I was literally living in the ICU waiting room for several weeks staying by my Wife's bedside in a gown and mask. This was made clear to all donors at the time. The total raised came to about a little over $2000, and it came at a time that literally saved our home from foreclosure by a matter of just a few hours. The check's were cashed, but did you ever see an endorsement bearing my name? Nope, but that simple little fact doesn't serve your agenda, so that's by the wayside.
Leave it to you to turn that moment of much appreciated generosity into a self serving indictment to throw in the face of your opponent in a totally unrelated argument. I hope you receive all appropriate credit for your contribution to this discussion.
Who's whining now...?
And 1J, your characterization simply goes to prove that who and what I am as an old timer here is not the asset you and your buddies here are trying to paint onto me, but just exactly the opposite after all.
When it comes to character assassination, you're no slouch, dude. Keep dishing it; you're helping your argument no end. Dig deep, I'm sure you'll find a lot more of best slimy shit to stir and fling my way. Between youthree five, I'll bet the PM stream is getting pretty thick, coordinating all this sling fest. Nice touch, that Fuckin' A, Veer.
But of course, there's no ad hominem attacks occurring here; no Mods need pay any note whatsoever. Right. Business as usual at The 'Hide.
Since all your contributions to this discussion have been directly related to the assassination of my character, you're all back on ignore. Your posts are simply pure harassment. Nobody should be obliged to put up with that kind of vicious crap.
Have nice lives.
Greg
I was just a year out of CABGx4 heart surgery, following bouts with both Hodgkins and Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma. The second bout had exhausted our family's health insurance, and I was facing billing in the high 6 figures. Meanwhile, my Wife had a case of Versa related toxic shock, and was three weeks into a coma in the ICU.
I never saw the receipts come in, and the names of the donors were never furnished to me since a decision had been made to protect the privacy of the donors, and not made by me. This was made clear to all donors at the time.
I was literally living in the ICU waiting room for several weeks staying by my Wife's bedside in a gown and mask. This was made clear to all donors at the time. The total raised came to about a little over $2000, and it came at a time that literally saved our home from foreclosure by a matter of just a few hours. The check's were cashed, but did you ever see an endorsement bearing my name? Nope, but that simple little fact doesn't serve your agenda, so that's by the wayside.
Leave it to you to turn that moment of much appreciated generosity into a self serving indictment to throw in the face of your opponent in a totally unrelated argument. I hope you receive all appropriate credit for your contribution to this discussion.
Who's whining now...?
And 1J, your characterization simply goes to prove that who and what I am as an old timer here is not the asset you and your buddies here are trying to paint onto me, but just exactly the opposite after all.
When it comes to character assassination, you're no slouch, dude. Keep dishing it; you're helping your argument no end. Dig deep, I'm sure you'll find a lot more of best slimy shit to stir and fling my way. Between you
But of course, there's no ad hominem attacks occurring here; no Mods need pay any note whatsoever. Right. Business as usual at The 'Hide.
Since all your contributions to this discussion have been directly related to the assassination of my character, you're all back on ignore. Your posts are simply pure harassment. Nobody should be obliged to put up with that kind of vicious crap.
Have nice lives.
Greg
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lol Won't someone please listen to me?
Uhm, no. Keep being you Mr. Woe Is Me. You are seriously more fucked up than I gave you credit for. Oh Frank, Frank, they're not listening to me again. Frank?
Pure Gold.
Uhm, no. Keep being you Mr. Woe Is Me. You are seriously more fucked up than I gave you credit for. Oh Frank, Frank, they're not listening to me again. Frank?
Pure Gold.
This is really good shit! It's like when they took the salad bar away from the residents at my moms old folks home.
