Could work but I see an enormous number of potential problems.
But the premise is, IMO sound. Its the implementation that requires more thought.
Ex: Keeping trolls out would be extremely difficult.
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Could work but I see an enormous number of potential problems.
But the premise is, IMO sound. Its the implementation that requires more thought.
Ex: Keeping trolls out would be extremely difficult.
LEOs need to figure it out ASAP - because in the middle of a rights infringing raid is the wrong time to suddenly make that decision, or figure out they waited too long.
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Funny thing about that. A friend and I were just talking about putting something like that together.
I need some money so I can pay people to build it, but it's definitely doable.
The human element is the hardest part, but I think for the serious individuals, a rigorous survey could ferret out the folks who'd be a problem.
You don’t have to engage most in very much conversation before you know they are trolls.
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Yeah, this is a little different, though. For a QRF type application, it'd be devastating to the reputation to have some weird bullshit go down. Gotta be thorough and have solid intel before calling up a bunch of dudes to come provide support.
Not something any fucktard on the internet should be able to get access to.
Making it a pay for app would help some. Donate a majority of the profits.
People would need to verify their identity which would spook a huge number of 2A's who would be highly skeptical.
Survey will not work.
And, there would be highly sensitive data that needs kept very secure. Addresses etc that would be hacked, doxxed, farmed etc.
Perhaps a more "panic button" functionality where your location is only shared when the panic is pressed.
But even then, the troll issue is a very difficult hill to climb. Anti 2A would be crawling all over it...
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The best approach IMO organize in person. Trolls hide behind percieved anonimity.. not many would be willing to take that step. I believe one of 2As biggest issue is that people feel somewhat isolated. Need to bring people face to face and build the framework.
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Yea, there would be some dude who's totally normal except for the fact that he's a fucktard. Has the best of intentions, seems down to earth, and then some shit either falls out of his closet or he goes off the goddamn reservation. Idiots are deceptively ingenious, and they are the leading cause of death since ever.
Or would turn their buddy in for owning a previously legal mag?
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Eh, just stop being pussies. Little fruitcake skinny jeans wearing libtards square up with police on a daily basis, commit felonies, and make a real difference in the world.
If you don't want it that bad, you ain't gonna win against them.
Gab is somewhere between a cross of Facebook and Twitter but is 100% committed to free speech. Big tech keeps pulling out all the stops to shut it down as does the media. They demonized it after that synagogue shooting in Philly as the shooter had an account (although every fuckwit shooter has a FB and twitter account and they dont get upset about those). The big tech companies did get them shut but they clawed their way back. The guys who run it really are dedicated to free speech no matter what and are very freedom minded. 98% of its kosher but you do get some far fringe stuff but if its truly free thats just the price you pay as far as Im concerned.
I admit I dont use it much as the traffic is low BUT that would be an easy place to setup a red flag check-in/get the 2A info out without Silicon Valley douchebag politics taking it down. Worth having an account just to support people dedicated to a good cause.
I think the other piece of this is to also gain transparency into whats taking place on the ground.
We all know we ain't going to get transparency relying on "official" reports.
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I think the other piece of this is to also gain transparency into whats taking place on the ground.
We all know we ain't going to get transparency relying on "official" reports.
For sure. Getting witnesses on the scene is invaluable. Kinda like having poll watchers just to make sure everything's being done above board.
The grains of salt are piling up...
First, this:
Then this:
2nd Degree Menacing: A person is guilty of 2nd degree menacing when he or she either:
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First, this:
Then this:
2nd Degree Menacing: A person is guilty of 2nd degree menacing when he or she either:
- Intentionally places or attempts to place another person in reasonable fear of injury or death by displaying a deadly weapon or instrument; or
- Repeatedly following or engaging in repeated conduct to intentionally place or attempt to place another person in reasonable fear of injury or death; or
- Commits the crime of menacing in the 3rd degree in violation of a protective or other court order.
New York Menacing Laws - FindLaw
In many ways, the menacing laws in New York are similar to general assault crimes in other states, in that they involve conduct intended to cause fear in others. New York's laws are also a little more expansive as they can also incorporate certain forms of stalking. Perhaps no place sees the...
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Seems they took down the online FOIL request from the Putnam SD website, now has printable only.
EDIT: NVM, it's just not in the main drop down menu anymore: https://www.putnamsheriff.com/foil-request
EDIT: NVM, it's just not in the main drop down menu anymore: https://www.putnamsheriff.com/foil-request
Wow! Now the actual charge is a totally different and heretofore unknown/new charge...!?!?!
what the hell happened to all the previous statements?
what the hell happened to all the previous statements?
Sadly, it seems a lot of people that pushed the initial message have long moved on after they thought they were played.
Grain of salt on that point still. Screen shots and fake conversations are pretty easy to fake. I put in a FOIL request for him, it will probably take the full twenty days and then come back with some bullshit request filing error excuse as to why the request cannot be fulfilled.
"Dear Sir or Madam:
This is to acknowledge that the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office and Correctional Facility has received your application for access to records under the Freedom of Information Law, which was submitted electronically to our office this date via our website. A determination of your request is expected to issue within twenty business days.
Sincerely,
Records Access Officer
Putnam County Sheriff’s Office and Correctional Facility"
"Dear Sir or Madam:
This is to acknowledge that the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office and Correctional Facility has received your application for access to records under the Freedom of Information Law, which was submitted electronically to our office this date via our website. A determination of your request is expected to issue within twenty business days.
Sincerely,
Records Access Officer
Putnam County Sheriff’s Office and Correctional Facility"
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Maj Toure's take on it:
Update: #AlexBooth arrested AGAIN.
So let me get this straight. Within THREE DAYS, this guy goes from releasable to NOT RELEASABLE. This is CLEARLY an attempt to make this dude look like a VIOLENT CRIMINAL. Here’s my view:
1. Menacing is an interesting and very technical charge. Why didn’t they charge him with ALL the charges after this stand off?
2. It looks like TO ME, they needed to come up with a way to deny him from speaking about the situation DIRECTLY, so to give him ANOTHER charge, WHILE OUT ON BAIL, revokes the first bail. He can’t discuss what actually went down while in jail and the misinformation can run rampant.
3. There STILL has YET to be ANY showing of his charges or convictions for ANY domestic abuse. If he WAS convicted of domestic abuse, he would’ve ALREADY been barred from “lawfully” owning firearms. Why is everyone conveniently ignoring that FACT?
4. The amount of people that rushed to support him (whether he is crying wolf or not) May have saved SEVERAL LIVES. His and/or officers. We are all picking a side, but the eyes on this situation galvanized mostly by social media may have prevented death. HIS.
5. There were NO FIREARMS SEIZED, which means he was NEVER a threat. Hence him being released initially.
6. There have been TONS of conflicting statements by the PD, and this is another contradiction. Him being initially investigated was said to be for one reason then switched. Him being arraigned for charges NOTHING to do with what that same PD said AFTER the stand off. And now, charging him with another charge AFTER being released speaks to several contradictions alone.
I hope that you will all continue to watch this case with OBJECTIVITY, I will post more info and perspective as it comes my way. I will be doing an IG live on this TONIGHT at 5 pm PT, 8 pm EST. Vibe in and let’s discuss perspective and what we can LEARN from this Solutionarys. #LordToure #GunCommUNITY
Support: Gofundme.com/BlackGunsMatter
Update: #AlexBooth arrested AGAIN.
So let me get this straight. Within THREE DAYS, this guy goes from releasable to NOT RELEASABLE. This is CLEARLY an attempt to make this dude look like a VIOLENT CRIMINAL. Here’s my view:
1. Menacing is an interesting and very technical charge. Why didn’t they charge him with ALL the charges after this stand off?
2. It looks like TO ME, they needed to come up with a way to deny him from speaking about the situation DIRECTLY, so to give him ANOTHER charge, WHILE OUT ON BAIL, revokes the first bail. He can’t discuss what actually went down while in jail and the misinformation can run rampant.
3. There STILL has YET to be ANY showing of his charges or convictions for ANY domestic abuse. If he WAS convicted of domestic abuse, he would’ve ALREADY been barred from “lawfully” owning firearms. Why is everyone conveniently ignoring that FACT?
4. The amount of people that rushed to support him (whether he is crying wolf or not) May have saved SEVERAL LIVES. His and/or officers. We are all picking a side, but the eyes on this situation galvanized mostly by social media may have prevented death. HIS.
5. There were NO FIREARMS SEIZED, which means he was NEVER a threat. Hence him being released initially.
6. There have been TONS of conflicting statements by the PD, and this is another contradiction. Him being initially investigated was said to be for one reason then switched. Him being arraigned for charges NOTHING to do with what that same PD said AFTER the stand off. And now, charging him with another charge AFTER being released speaks to several contradictions alone.
I hope that you will all continue to watch this case with OBJECTIVITY, I will post more info and perspective as it comes my way. I will be doing an IG live on this TONIGHT at 5 pm PT, 8 pm EST. Vibe in and let’s discuss perspective and what we can LEARN from this Solutionarys. #LordToure #GunCommUNITY
Support: Gofundme.com/BlackGunsMatter
That conversation above, he mentions he was charged with breaking and entering into his in laws house, but he owns the property at 50 Putnam. WTF are they feeding him?
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Everything from the authorities side appears to be purposely obfuscated and confusing.
Another source confirming he has been booked (Android app):
play.google.com
Putnam County Sheriff NY - Apps on Google Play
The Putnam County NY Sheriff’s Office mobile application is an interactive app developed to help improve communication with area residents. The Putnam County Sheriff App allows residents to connect with the Putnam County Sheriff’s Office by reporting crimes, submitting tips, and other...
Trolls would be the least of my worries. Getting infiltrated by The Man would be my concern. “Oh, that QRF is forming up at X location? Sounds like we need to send some three letter agencies there and have them say they just happened to be driving by and saw a gagglefuck of boogaloo boys.”
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Well, shit... I guess we should just give up, then.
That's it folks, show's over. Turn 'em all in.
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Three main things here...
1.) First amendment
2.) What the fuck are they gonna do about it?
3.) Fuck them, first amendment.
Not saying it isn't a risk, but for fucks sake, man...
Look at these motherfuckers!
You think they give a fuck what the King thinks or what the King might do?
Never enter a game you are not willing to see threw. Some people will only die once, others live on their knees an die thousand of times. What you posted is telling,...
I tried to read some of that thread at barf.com.
Just got this email:
"This e-mail is to inform you that ALEXANDER BOOTH with offender number 27867 has been released from custody as of 11/28/2019. The release reason is: Bonded out. For more information, contact Putnam County Sheriff's Office. The telephone number is (845) 225-5255.
If you have any concerns about your immediate safety, contact your local law enforcement agency.
This notification is sponsored by the New York Sheriffs' VINE Service. It is our hope that this information has been helpful to you.
Thank you,
The VINE Service
"
Lmao.
"This e-mail is to inform you that ALEXANDER BOOTH with offender number 27867 has been released from custody as of 11/28/2019. The release reason is: Bonded out. For more information, contact Putnam County Sheriff's Office. The telephone number is (845) 225-5255.
If you have any concerns about your immediate safety, contact your local law enforcement agency.
This notification is sponsored by the New York Sheriffs' VINE Service. It is our hope that this information has been helpful to you.
Thank you,
The VINE Service
Lmao.
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The only thing telling about what I said is I’d rather not invite dot gov moles into an online QRF group but if having them over coffee works for you guys, go for it.
When you arrive, you simply do not boog and sit there with your thumb up your ass unarmed. You bring a rifle with 250 rounds, and you bring a pistol with at least four mags and 100 rounds. You bring water, and maybe a few MRE's. When you get there, you find a spot on the near perimeter 100m or so out after perfuming a solid recon outside in to spot the overwatch and neutralize it. Then you get into position, and just start shooting. Fire up some good ol American Hootenannny!
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