I'm going to build a heavy, tactical style pdog and target gun based on a factory Remington 700 action. I already have, and hand load for, a 25-06 in a light hunting rifle model. In my comparisons the 25-06 is ballistically superior when only considering drop (ignoring wind drift). So, if I'm buying a a 700 in .308 and rebarreling, why would I even consider a 260 Rem? What can the 260 do that the 25-06 can't? Why do all you guys like the 260 so much?
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Range Report Persuade me: 25-06 vs 260 Rem
- Thread starter Dos Perros
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Re: Persuade me: 25-06 vs 260 Rem
I love 25-06, it's my fav hunting cartidge. 260 can shoot heavier projectile's but the brass is necked down 308 which has a smaller powder capacity. Both guns are good for pdogs, I am partial to 25-06.
I love 25-06, it's my fav hunting cartidge. 260 can shoot heavier projectile's but the brass is necked down 308 which has a smaller powder capacity. Both guns are good for pdogs, I am partial to 25-06.
Re: Persuade me: 25-06 vs 260 Rem
I like the 25-06 too. I do see one issue which will stop you dead in your tracks if you have a .308 win action. A 25-06 is based off of a 30-06 which is a long action. A 25-06 just won't work in a short action as a .308 win. Another thing for a tactical weapon there just isn't enough bullets avaliable to choose from for me.
I like the 25-06 too. I do see one issue which will stop you dead in your tracks if you have a .308 win action. A 25-06 is based off of a 30-06 which is a long action. A 25-06 just won't work in a short action as a .308 win. Another thing for a tactical weapon there just isn't enough bullets avaliable to choose from for me.
Re: Persuade me: 25-06 vs 260 Rem
You're right RingingSteel. I should have said I'll be buying a used 700 in .308 for a 260 build or a 700 in a long action for a 25-06 build. For some reason I thought I had seen some .308's in long action but I can't find them now doing a quick search.
I've only shot pdogs up to 400 yards and the local range is up to 500 yards (600 yards in a year or two), and the 25-06 seems to be quite competent for these ranges. I've tried 4 different .257" bullets and was able to get sub-MOA loads in 3 of them.
Looking forward to more responses.
You're right RingingSteel. I should have said I'll be buying a used 700 in .308 for a 260 build or a 700 in a long action for a 25-06 build. For some reason I thought I had seen some .308's in long action but I can't find them now doing a quick search.
I've only shot pdogs up to 400 yards and the local range is up to 500 yards (600 yards in a year or two), and the 25-06 seems to be quite competent for these ranges. I've tried 4 different .257" bullets and was able to get sub-MOA loads in 3 of them.
Looking forward to more responses.
Re: Persuade me: 25-06 vs 260 Rem
Second that. I own both and have done load development for both, and the .280 is a lot easier to find accuracy with.
Also, the bullets make it harder to find a good LR BC for the .25-'06. The velocities are tempting, but at the far end of the development cycle, the .280 is the one that actually performs at the longer distances.
As far as bore life is concerned, I see no comparison; the .280 will last, the .25-'06 will not.
If you want to shoot a flat flying cartridge in a midsize game hunter, the .25-'06 is a good candidate; but for sustained fire in a target shooting application, it's an unadulterated barrel burner. You do not want to shoot that rifle when the barrel gets hot.
BTW, the recoil from my .25-'06 Rem 700 with a varmint weight barrel and Rem factory ammo is daunting. Can't say why, but it's discouraging. I inherited the rifle and will maintain it as a family heirloom, but I'm not shooting it much anymore.
Greg
Second that. I own both and have done load development for both, and the .280 is a lot easier to find accuracy with.
Also, the bullets make it harder to find a good LR BC for the .25-'06. The velocities are tempting, but at the far end of the development cycle, the .280 is the one that actually performs at the longer distances.
As far as bore life is concerned, I see no comparison; the .280 will last, the .25-'06 will not.
If you want to shoot a flat flying cartridge in a midsize game hunter, the .25-'06 is a good candidate; but for sustained fire in a target shooting application, it's an unadulterated barrel burner. You do not want to shoot that rifle when the barrel gets hot.
BTW, the recoil from my .25-'06 Rem 700 with a varmint weight barrel and Rem factory ammo is daunting. Can't say why, but it's discouraging. I inherited the rifle and will maintain it as a family heirloom, but I'm not shooting it much anymore.
Greg
Re: Persuade me: 25-06 vs 260 Rem
The .260 vs .the 25-'06? Look at a long range comp firing line and count the .260's. Then count the .25-'06, if there is one...
There has to be some simple lesson hidden in there...
The .260 vs .the 25-'06? Look at a long range comp firing line and count the .260's. Then count the .25-'06, if there is one...
There has to be some simple lesson hidden in there...
Re: Persuade me: 25-06 vs 260 Rem
I own both. For ranges out to 600 yds, either will get there with ease and accuracy. If you have a 10 twist on your 25-06, a 115gr Berger VLD willo do very nicely.
For target shooting, i would definitely go with the .260. It is the more accurate of my two rifles and has less recoil, although i don't find the 25-06 to be all that bad, really. For varmint hunting (larger varmints, that is), the 25-06 gets the nod. It has quite an impressive "splatter factor". However, if prairy dogs are what you plan to shoot with it, neither rifle is really well suited for that. Both would overheat very quickly, especially the 25-06. You could litterally shoot out a 25-06 barrel in one day of pd hunting.
I own both. For ranges out to 600 yds, either will get there with ease and accuracy. If you have a 10 twist on your 25-06, a 115gr Berger VLD willo do very nicely.
For target shooting, i would definitely go with the .260. It is the more accurate of my two rifles and has less recoil, although i don't find the 25-06 to be all that bad, really. For varmint hunting (larger varmints, that is), the 25-06 gets the nod. It has quite an impressive "splatter factor". However, if prairy dogs are what you plan to shoot with it, neither rifle is really well suited for that. Both would overheat very quickly, especially the 25-06. You could litterally shoot out a 25-06 barrel in one day of pd hunting.
Re: Persuade me: 25-06 vs 260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The .260 vs .the 25-'06? Look at a long range comp firing line and count the .260's. Then count the .25-'06, if there is one...
There has to be some simple lesson hidden in there... </div></div>
^this
I have and love the 25-06, but until they make something like a 125-130 high bc bullet it wont beat the .260 in utility.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The .260 vs .the 25-'06? Look at a long range comp firing line and count the .260's. Then count the .25-'06, if there is one...
There has to be some simple lesson hidden in there... </div></div>
^this
I have and love the 25-06, but until they make something like a 125-130 high bc bullet it wont beat the .260 in utility.
Re: Persuade me: 25-06 vs 260 Rem
If I was going to be hunting Pdogs I would look more to a .223 build instead of one of the ones you mentioned. If you want a longer range Pdog gun and to shoot long range targets the .243 would be a better choice given the 58gr vmax and the option to shoot high BC target bullets.
If I was going to be hunting Pdogs I would look more to a .223 build instead of one of the ones you mentioned. If you want a longer range Pdog gun and to shoot long range targets the .243 would be a better choice given the 58gr vmax and the option to shoot high BC target bullets.
Re: Persuade me: 25-06 vs 260 Rem
better bullets and better barrel life for the .260, those are the 2 main reasons, there a few more secondary reasons to go with it but that is enough said.
better bullets and better barrel life for the .260, those are the 2 main reasons, there a few more secondary reasons to go with it but that is enough said.
Re: Persuade me: 25-06 vs 260 Rem
25-06 is a flat shooting case, great choice if you want to scream light bullets but there are no good high b.c. bullets for shooting long range with it. If you want to stretch it out farther there are better high b.c. bullet options in .264dia. Also barrel life is longer with the 260rem.
25-06 is a flat shooting case, great choice if you want to scream light bullets but there are no good high b.c. bullets for shooting long range with it. If you want to stretch it out farther there are better high b.c. bullet options in .264dia. Also barrel life is longer with the 260rem.
Re: Persuade me: 25-06 vs 260 Rem
As I said, the .25-'06 in my collection is a family heirloom. It dates from when my Eldest Brother had a fascination with velocity. He also had a .264WM.
He learned what everyone eventually learns about overbore chamberings. They do more than you need, with a very high price. If one is capable of learning, it's a strategy one soon learns to forego.
He subsequently placed reasonable limits one overbore chamberings, and eventually alighted on the .280 Rem.
When I inherited his rifles, I started with shooting the .25-'06. Like him, I learned the same lesson quickly.
When I moved on his .280's, I finally realized what a wise man he was.
He was the individual who taught me how to shoot, to glassbed, and to handload. He was the family's BR shooter, but in a distant age when specialized reloading equipment and highly refined rifles were still things of the future. What would win back then can often be duplicated by a better made factory rifle of these days.
Greg
As I said, the .25-'06 in my collection is a family heirloom. It dates from when my Eldest Brother had a fascination with velocity. He also had a .264WM.
He learned what everyone eventually learns about overbore chamberings. They do more than you need, with a very high price. If one is capable of learning, it's a strategy one soon learns to forego.
He subsequently placed reasonable limits one overbore chamberings, and eventually alighted on the .280 Rem.
When I inherited his rifles, I started with shooting the .25-'06. Like him, I learned the same lesson quickly.
When I moved on his .280's, I finally realized what a wise man he was.
He was the individual who taught me how to shoot, to glassbed, and to handload. He was the family's BR shooter, but in a distant age when specialized reloading equipment and highly refined rifles were still things of the future. What would win back then can often be duplicated by a better made factory rifle of these days.
Greg
Re: Persuade me: 25-06 vs 260 Rem
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dos Perros</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You're right RingingSteel. I should have said I'll be buying a used 700 in .308 for a 260 build or a 700 in a long action for a 25-06 build. <span style="font-weight: bold">For some reason I thought I had seen some .308's in long action but I can't find them now doing a quick search.</span>
I've only shot pdogs up to 400 yards and the local range is up to 500 yards (600 yards in a year or two), and the 25-06 seems to be quite competent for these ranges. I've tried 4 different .257" bullets and was able to get sub-MOA loads in 3 of them.
Looking forward to more responses.
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M-24 SWS = .308 in R700 LA
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dos Perros</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You're right RingingSteel. I should have said I'll be buying a used 700 in .308 for a 260 build or a 700 in a long action for a 25-06 build. <span style="font-weight: bold">For some reason I thought I had seen some .308's in long action but I can't find them now doing a quick search.</span>
I've only shot pdogs up to 400 yards and the local range is up to 500 yards (600 yards in a year or two), and the 25-06 seems to be quite competent for these ranges. I've tried 4 different .257" bullets and was able to get sub-MOA loads in 3 of them.
Looking forward to more responses.
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M-24 SWS = .308 in R700 LA
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