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Choid said:
No, they target MTG because they know she puts off the same exact people I am talking about. I don't hate her, I think she is easily manipulated into giving them what they want, and they know how to use it. That is why people refer to her as their new Trump. They don't care about her courage and fighting, they care about her because she is exactly what the voter in the middle, who really only cares about the aesthetics of politics, hates more than anything. They win because they are smarter and more strategic. The answer can't possibly be becoming less strategic about communication and elections.

And I haven't changed my mind on anything other than the utility of being an asshole to those on the same side as me who I think are dead wrong about a lot of this stuff.
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The people she puts off are dumb.

If they are not put off by Chuck Schumer, Nadler on looks alone, or waters on looks and message than they are just too dumb to even be concerned about.

The communists have no aesthetics other than a media.

That media still maintains some level of unshakable credibility with certain demographics.

Those demographics are the shit that flows in and out with the tide....jetsam and flotsam.

They refuse to take charge of the direction in their lives and their existence is determined by what the media says.

They need to determine to evolve and grow legs or fins in order to get control over their lives.
 
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Choid said:
No, they target MTG because they know she puts off the same exact people I am talking about. I don't hate her, I think she is easily manipulated into giving them what they want, and they know how to use it. That is why people refer to her as their new Trump. They don't care about her courage and fighting, they care about her because she is exactly what the voter in the middle, who really only cares about the aesthetics of politics, hates more than anything. They win because they are smarter and more strategic. The answer can't possibly be becoming less strategic about communication and elections.

And I haven't changed my mind on anything other than the utility of being an asshole to those on the same side as me who I think are dead wrong about a lot of this stuff.
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and PS.....

Their strategic goal is "The fundamental change of America" That means the ending of the Constitutional Republic. Simple, succinct, achievable. That is strategic thinking an achievable goal easily stated. Compare it to the strategy that is "Global War on Terror".

To achieve their strategic goal the tactics are - create economic collapse, degrade society, destroy foundations of the Republic, divide and destroy the idea of a American cultural unity.

How is any of this aesthetically pleasing to that salt of the earth, middle of the road middle America centrist you think is offended by Trumps mean tweets and MTG?

If it is as you state those people are stupid...they are unable to see....they arent worth fighting for and when push comes to shove wont fight for either outcome......they will bleat and become a burden on whatever side they run to. Let the commies have the useless mouths to feed.
 
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armorpl8chikn said:
Are you remotely paying attention?
That "mistake" will not be repeated.
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Looks like Canada has already implemented that reality if rumor is right....

Kind of have my doubts as other than here I havent seen it reported elsewhere that our neighbor to the North is now nothing more than a copy of China with Xi for life, Russia with Putin the puppeteer, Venezuela with Maduro or NK with Kim only difference is gender of the leader, Canada being literally "odd man" out.
 
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Cyber Attack Hits JBS Global Meat Processing Operations ​

JBS USA, the world's largest meat supplier, released a statement Sunday evening, saying it was the target of an "organized cybersecurity attack."

JBS, which has North America headquarters in Greeley, Colorado, said the cyber attack "affected some of the servers supporting its North American and Australian IT systems."

Industry website Beef Central said the attack already impacted two shifts and halted processing at one of Canada's largest meatpacking plants. Operations at all beef and lamb slaughterhouses in Australia ground to a halt, and some slaughtering and fabrication shifts have also been canceled in the U.S.

It's still unknown how the attack might impact consumers or if a meat shortage would be sparked. There is still no word on a timeline of when the JBS' systems will be completely restored.
 
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I just read that pathetically written article. What is the worlds record for repetition?

Ransomware attacks.

They also noted a glut of beef but prices rising regaurdless.

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Good thing my wife brought home and cooked the last two ribeye steaks in the free world sunday.
 
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So maybe the beef industry just decided to follow oil's lead.

Quit producing till you get the price where you want it.

WTF . My computers down won't be able to mow the lawn or wash the dishes and you can certainly forget even considering taking out the trash.
 
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armorpl8chikn said:
Are you remotely paying attention?
That "mistake" will not be repeated.
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Maybe or maybe not. Let's see how the 2022 elections shake out.

The leftists are so fearful of what can happen in the midterm elections that they are desperately trying to get SB-1 passed. They aren't getting their way because of the filibuster.

If SB-1 were to pass and survive court challenges, then I could agree with you. Otherwise, this could be a coin toss.
 
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pmclaine said:
and PS.....

Their strategic goal is "The fundamental change of America" That means the ending of the Constitutional Republic. Simple, succinct, achievable. That is strategic thinking an achievable goal easily stated. Compare it to the strategy that is "Global War on Terror".

To achieve their strategic goal the tactics are - create economic collapse, degrade society, destroy foundations of the Republic, divide and destroy the idea of a American cultural unity.

How is any of this aesthetically pleasing to that salt of the earth, middle of the road middle America centrist you think is offended by Trumps mean tweets and MTG?

If it is as you state those people are stupid...they are unable to see....they arent worth fighting for and when push comes to shove wont fight for either outcome......they will bleat and become a burden on whatever side they run to. Let the commies have the useless mouths to feed.
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As far as aesthetics, I mean of politicians, not of outcomes. There is no denying that the Democrats have a slicker machine, and they look better doing it. It is a big reason they win that middle. The dumb comments and mean tweets don't help either. Look, I am obviously not averse to being an asshole and making jerky comments online, but see where that gets me. And I don't really care if anybody agrees with me or not.

Machiavelli argued, pretty convincingly, that the downfall of ancient Republicanism was that the very best minds concentrated on only the good people, whom they believed could understand their thoughts and act at the highest level of humanness, while they allowed the average person to be wooed by the very corrupt Catholic church by offering them eternal life and earthly succor. This realization was, in many ways, the beginning of political enlightenment/modernity. At some point, in the enlightenment, great minds reversed that, and they appealed to the average in order to bring them into the fold. If we are unable to woo these people, no matter how much disdain you might have for them, we lose. Plain and simple. As the French say, "les cons gagnent toujours, ils sont trop." We need them on our side, and we need to think of how to make that appeal. Trump had some of that, but where he gained on the front end of it, he generally lost on the back end, which isn't good enough.

I am deliberately not addressing any of the ideas that voting is over, it's all a sham etc. That has been hashed over enough. What I am saying is that 1) we have to act like it still matters in case it does*, and 2) if it matters we have to be strategic about it.

*I absolutely believe it does, so there.
 
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Choid said:
As far as aesthetics, I mean of politicians, not of outcomes. There is no denying that the Democrats have a slicker machine, and they look better doing it. It is a big reason they win that middle. The dumb comments and mean tweets don't help either. Look, I am obviously not averse to being an asshole and making jerky comments online, but see where that gets me. And I don't really care if anybody agrees with me or not.

Machiavelli argued, pretty convincingly, that the downfall of ancient Republicanism was that the very best minds concentrated on only the good people, whom they believed could understand their thoughts and act at the highest level of humanness, while they allowed the average person to be wooed by the very corrupt Catholic church by offering them eternal life and earthly succor. This realization was, in many ways, the beginning of political enlightenment/modernity. At some point, in the enlightenment, great minds reversed that, and they appealed to the average in order to bring them into the fold. If we are unable to woo these people, no matter how much disdain you might have for them, we lose. Plain and simple. As the French say, "les cons gagnent toujours, ils sont trop." We need them on our side, and we need to think of how to make that appeal. Trump had some of that, but where he gained on the front end of it, he generally lost on the back end, which isn't good enough.

I am deliberately not addressing any of the ideas that voting is over, it's all a sham etc. That has been hashed over enough. What I am saying is that 1) we have to act like it still matters in case it does*, and 2) if it matters we have to be strategic about it.

*I absolutely believe it does, so there.
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You cant make that argument and be a conservative.

The only way you win the irrational is through illogical policy.

Letting govt take over education insured this.

You need to provide better bread and circuses than the libs.

My point about aesthetically unappealing was exactly the politicians we have a perception issue if Chuck Schumer talking down his nose with his glasses perched insanely on the tip of same motivates you, watching Gerry Nadler shit his pants and waddle away should disqualify him from public life, everytime waters speaks she is endorsing felony.

There is nothing attractive in these people nor is their message rational.

They appeal only to equally deranged communists and they stay in power through vote stealing and pushing fear. There is nothing positive in their message, unless your concern is getting free stuff and exchanging freedom for a lowest common denominator existence of misery.
 
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pmclaine said:
You cant make that argument and be a conservative.

The only way you win the irrational is through illogical policy.

You need to provide better bread and circuses than the libs.

My point about aesthetically unappealing was exactly the politicians we have a perception issue if Chuck Schumer talking down his nose with his glasses perched insanely on the tip of same motivates you, watching Gerry Nadler shit his pants and waddle away should disqualify him from public life, everytime waters speaks she is endorsing felony.

There is nothing attractive in these people nor is their message rational.

They appeal only to equally deranged communists and they stay in power through vote stealing and pushing fear. There is nothing positive in their message, unless your concern is getting free stuff and exchanging freedom for a lowest common denominator existence of misery.
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Which argument can I not make and remain conservative? The only argument I have made is that for a party to win elections it needs to have a strategy of getting more people to vote for them than the other guy, which means convincing a whole lot of non true believers.

Totally agree about Nadler, but they really try to keep him as far from the limelight as possible. They didn't even want him talking at Impeachment I, and arguably public opinion turned against them when he spoke.

But I will tell you this, and I think it is what people here get so wrong. When you talk about the aesthetics of politics, you have to understand that it doesn't so much matter what we find appealing or disgusting, it is what the median voter finds appealing or disgusting. That is the Trump story, that so many loved him, but in that middle 5%, they found him gross. Whereas, for example, Obama was found disgusting by the R base, but was extremely aesthetically appealing to the median. Bill Clinton as well. I get the feeling that not many people here have to sell themselves as a job, which is fine, because the process is kind of gross. But you learn that what you need to do is to think of what the other person sees, and not what you see. I believe that is what we miss.
 
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pmclaine said:
@Choid

She is absolutely fucking 100 percent right and anyone is offended by her statement of fact well........you can enjoy your next ass reaming by the politicized IRS.

That cunt is now a neighbor of sorts.

1775 Patriots all over this state spin in their graves at her citizen status.
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I was audited three times out of 8 during the Obama years. I remember.
 
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Snuby642 said:
I just read that pathetically written article. What is the worlds record for repetition?

Ransomware attacks.

They also noted a glut of beef but prices rising regaurdless.

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Good thing my wife brought home and cooked the last two ribeye steaks in the free world sunday.
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People speak of the rich tone, great sound of analog/tube receivers.......Perhaps its time we return to the solid state security of compartmentalized paper/telegraph/string between two soup cans for potentially strategic supplies.
 
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Choid said:
Which argument can I not make and remain conservative? The only argument I have made is that for a party to win elections it needs to have a strategy of getting more people to vote for them than the other guy, which means convincing a whole lot of non true believers.

Totally agree about Nadler, but they really try to keep him as far from the limelight as possible. They didn't even want him talking at Impeachment I, and arguably public opinion turned against them when he spoke.

But I will tell you this, and I think it is what people here get so wrong. When you talk about the aesthetics of politics, you have to understand that it doesn't so much matter what we find appealing or disgusting, it is what the median voter finds appealing or disgusting. That is the Trump story, that so many loved him, but in that middle 5%, they found him gross. Whereas, for example, Obama was found disgusting by the R base, but was extremely aesthetically appealing to the median. Bill Clinton as well. I get the feeling that not many people here have to sell themselves as a job, which is fine, because the process is kind of gross. But you learn that what you need to do is to think of what the other person sees, and not what you see. I believe that is what we miss.
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The only way you appeal to that segment is to offer them free shit through taking from the worker to give to them.

That is the result of 50 years of conditioning.

Your mental mind block that has you thinking Trump lost the last election is what prevents you from completly leaving the land of fuckstains.

Lets take it at face value that Biden actually got the ballots MSM says he got.

If we accept that than we have to accept Trump won more votes than any other President accept Xiden.

Now we also have to accept that Xiden won despite losing just about every bell weather county, despite having less votes than Hillary in many areas that she won, despite Trump increasing votes in segments of the voting population that are traditionally blue stalwarts and failing to recognize the fuckery of each of the 5 states he needed to win having some really screwy unprecedented stuff occur late at night in order to overcome totals statistically impossible to overcome in every election until CV19 was invented.

Trump started to reverse the idea votes could be bought and voters were beginning to realize being free, working and taking advantage of opportunity provided good outcomes.

For the democommunists this was the silver spike in their blood sucking hearts.

They have no platform beyond institutional dependency.

It seems you are proposing we try and beat them at the dependency game. we have to want them to desire conservative dependency more than personal responsibility.

No thanks to that shit.
 
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pmclaine said:
The only way you appeal to that segment is to offer them free shit through taking from the worker to give to them.

That is the result of 50 years of conditioning.

Your mental mind block that has you thinking Trump lost the last election is what prevents you from completly leaving the land of fuckstains.

Lets take it at face value that Biden actually got the ballots MSM says he got.

If we accept that than we have to accept Trump won more votes than any other President accept Xiden.

Now we also have to accept that Xiden won despite losing just about every bell weather county, despite having less votes than Hillary in many areas that she won, despite Trump increasing votes in segments of the voting population that are traditionally blue stalwarts and failing to recognize the fuckery of each of the 5 states he needed to win having some really screwy unprecedented stuff occur late at night in order to overcome totals statistically impossible to overcome in every election until CV19 was invented.

Trump started to reverse the idea votes could be bought and voters were beginning to realize being free, working and taking advantage of opportunity provided good outcomes.

For the democommunists this was the silver spike in their blood sucking hearts.

They have no platform beyond institutional dependency.

It seems you are proposing we try and beat them at the dependency game. we have to want them to desire conservative dependency more than personal responsibility.

No thanks to that shit.
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No, I am not proposing we beat them at the dependency game. I am proposing we beat them at the idea game. We have done it before. We have to offer a positive concept of society that is preferable to the median voter than that which the Democrats offer. Given the dismal outlook on the world they propose, that shouldn't be that hard. I agree with you we will not win over the 40% that are unwinnable for various reasons, but we cannot have a message that tops out at 46 or 47%. The presidential election aside, as we will agree to disagree on that, we got shellacked in 2018 mainly because of how many people were turned off. That was the difference between 2016 and 2018. Did better in 2020, but we need to do better still or we are fucked.
 
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pmclaine said:
I thought Trump appointed enough 9th circuit replacements that it was no longer a kangaroo court for communism.....

Oh well.

Whats next? His three SCOTUS appointees will suck too?

Huh, what? Too late?

Remember domestic violence is only for me and you.
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I think he got almost there, but it remains a liberal court for sure.
 
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pmclaine said:
I thought Trump appointed enough 9th circuit replacements that it was no longer a kangaroo court for communism.....

Oh well.

Whats next? His three SCOTUS appointees will suck too?

Huh, what? Too late?

Remember domestic violence is only for me and you.
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Pretty sure his 3 appointees will NOT be originalists. I'm most disappointed with ACB. Whilst I thought she was going to be good, I'll admit I didn't take into account she has a large exposure to being blackmailed because of her large family. Never expected much from Kavanaugh - Levin warned us about him. But ACB will be the next RBG at current rate.
 
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