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sure, i understand your point about warhol, which i think at this point is the epitome of "cultural posing" or pretending you have a refined taste for art, when it is really tired and outdated.
but beyond that, why choose that particular piece? to be edgy?
I think the dollar appreciation on Warhol has been greater than any other major artist in the past few decades, which is why you tend to find them in the collections of serious capitalists. That would be my best guess. His work is easily understood and consumed. Much moreso than some other, perhaps more interesting, artists. But his historical significance is enormous.
That is fucking sick. That bastard needs to be ass raped with a chainsaw and then drowned.
I have a "neighbor" a few miles away who we found out was arrested and convicted for sexual shit with minors. I call him the pedo all the time. The reason I don't do it when I don't know if somebody is or not is that I take seriously the idea that we should assume a person innocent until shown guilty. I think we are losing that in our society, mainly on the left with things like the Kavanaugh episode, the Duke Lacrosse case, the UVA rape debacle and Trump episodes, and I think it is important to hold firmly against that. Also, somebody very close to me was abused that way as a child, and to toss the term around for other shit sits badly with me. It's as serious as serious can be, and I don't use it as a political insult.
Mao may have been a pedo, but even if he was, it was probably not his worst characteristic. I just don't know that part of his bio.
It’s the stuff you write. You make it sound like you’re okay with a grown man having sex with a 13 year old, just because she’s post pubescent. Also, I’d rank a pedophile as worse than a murderer. People kill sometimes because they are desperate, sometimes angry, sometimes crazy. That pedo stuff is beyond any of that.
Wait... didn’t Pedo Joe just use “cultural differences/norms” to explain away Uighur genocide?
People debating over something that someone does within their rights within their house is not a good look for Americans.
Judges telling lawful citizens that have been convicted of no crime that they cannot even have a gun in a house to protect a family of 5 is not a good look for America.
People that criticize others for how they exercise their rights even though they aren’t actively fighting in a court or in the streets, and aren’t sending anyone gear or legal fees, but still have enough time to armchair quarterback are the ones that aren’t a good look for our community.
I respect that. Everybody deals with this shit differently. For full disclosure, not that I know why I would say this to a bunch of dildoes like yourselves, but my mother was victimized by her older sister's husband from the age of 9-18, after their father died. She only told her middle sister, who just told her to shut up. It haunted her until she finally was able to talk about it in her 40s. So I do take it very seriously indeed.
I imagine the way I talk about it may seem detached because it has affected my life and we all deal with shit that does in different ways. Maybe mine is more like her, to shut it down.
Whatever, the case may be, the way I look at it has the double view of what I imagined. The child of a victim of it, and somebody who has lived in a world that accuses men, without proof, of sexual offenses and prosecutes them in the media with no care of whether it is true or not.
Can you tell me what IS a good look for the community? What have we done that has ever appeased the LEFT. Stop dividing our side. I don't care, what she does with her firearms. She's an adult, lives in her own house and is a free citizen of the United States.
Care for us all to look into your household?
This is strange, and doesn't really make sense...lemme tell you why.
Several someones close to me, were touched and handled by another extended family member. Most kids like myself managed to avoid the creepy old bastard. When he died the truth came out....slowly. some of us knew but there's what you know, and what you can prove.
You know why I call Joe a fucking pedophile? Cause I have seen that exact behavior on numerous occasions. Back then noone would talk about it. Noone would talk about it, cause there was always someone making excuses for him. "He just likes kids."
Yeah, he sure as fuck did.
I could delve into some really gory details, but I might offend some people that don't believe pedophilia is rooted in other behaviors.
And I have reached my ultimate banning quota.
Well, one clear difference, if you look at my later post, is that the person in question is a generation removed from me, and never in my life has anybody touched me inappropriately, unless you count my wife when she is feeling randy. Anyway, I think because of that I probably have a strange imagination of what predatory behavior is like in real life. Who knows. I am just spitball self analyzing here.
I really wasn't allowed around that uncle, other than at big family celebrations, until I was old enough to defend myself, and of no interest anyway. And by the time I actually found out about all of it, I was a relatively grown man. My mother actually only ever said anything to anybody other than my father and her therapist because her niece, the daughter of the predator, adopted a girl after having three boys, and my mother felt that at that point it was her duty.
If you want to discuss this anymore, feel free to IM me. I tend not to enjoy talking about my personal life in open court.
My mother had a dress made from a Hilter flag..can't imagine what that would be worth today. But it didn't make it thru the bombings, relocations, and midnight run thru barbed wire to get from east to west Germany.
Cool story.
Why are you defending Pedo Joe?
Especially when people like me, go out on a limb and tell you shit never repeated outside the family. We are telling you, "See that? That is exactly how they act."
You: "No you are mistaken, you didn't see what you thought you saw."
Its really infuriating. You know why? Cause we have heard that shit before.
"He didn't really do that."
"Its not what you saw."
"Dont you repeat that."
Oh and you want to go private now...
Lmao
Yeah, so some people collect art as an investment, sure...
Id wager that a vast, vast, majority of non serious consumers purchase art for which they can relate, find personal connection with, or perhaps just find visually appealing. So if you have a bunch of commie art, lets just quit with the hair-splits and call it for what it is....
Good lord lol...
Id wager that a vast, vast, majority of non serious consumers purchase art for which they can relate, find personal connection with, or perhaps just find visually appealing. So if you have a bunch of commie art, lets just quit with the hair-splits and call it for what it is....
Good lord lol...
Right. Lots of non serious collectors throwing down 30+ million dollars for original Warhol Mao paintings. lol.
The original comment was about Kelly Loeffler. My guess, given her background and her husbands, isn't that they ran down to Z Gallerie and bought a copy because they just love Mao oh so much. Hers is not one of the very valuable ones, only 100k or so, but anybody who can reason would imagine that they bought it because it was a Warhol, not because it was a Mao. Same goes for, most certainly, all serious collectors of that series.
No real disagreement other than, its not necessarily mutually exclusive. Im sure you can reason that perhaps both can have weight on the motivation to purchase such an item.
Where 1. Yes its a warhol (investment) and 2. You can still personally identify with it.
So, other than knowing the true and underlying motivation...here we are. You just claim to know...lol.
Well, I know a lot of people who collect this kind of art, which I think gives me some insight. Do you have any, or are you just guessing that these folks are busy personally identifying? I also know the highest price for a Mao Warhol was paid by a $1m+ Trump donor.
Im not guessing anything. Youve done enough contortion and mental gymnastics for everyone ITT. Im saying you do not know the motivation in this instance anymore than I do. Or, perhaps you asked them?
Did I ask Steve Cohen why he bought Warhol's Mao? No. I don't know him. Have I discussed art collecting with many people like him and gained an understanding of it? Yes. Do I know how the art buying process works for people at this level? Yes. Do I know the genealogy of the purchase of every piece of art? Of course not.
It's repulsive. And we will get nothing from acquiescing to this shit. I am wondering how long we will continue to admit Taiwan exists.
the "value" of "fine art" is bullshit and simply a way to move currency and launder money.
Obviously, you are not a cultured man.
There is a certain refinement in a man that allows him to appreciate the loving kindness of the left.
Y'all need to get an ant farm or something to entertain yourselves. It's got to be more exciting than going round and round with this bitch boi. I bet there's not a dry sock in his mom's basement. He's probably rubbed his dick raw or there's a shortage of jergens in where ever that troll is living
I guess I’m not in touch with the finer side of things. My idea of art are framed copies of the Declaration, the Constitution, and the BOR on my wall, along with a Betsy Ross flag and Brown Bess. All repro’s and all relatively inexpensive. That’s fine art to me, sitting in the chair, staring at that stuff on the wall, with a smokey bourbon in hand. This guy lives to play devil’s advocate on here to get people riled up. He’s not capable of getting me fired up.
Boy, if that isn't code speak for a fucking flaming liberal I don't know what is.
So before you speak and bury yourself deeper answer this.
Do you think Montauk or the Hamptons are havens for liberals?
I wouldn't wipe my ass with money from them.
You watch when it comes time for this shit to get real.
The communist have created untold suffering
I don't need to think for even a second to tell you that Montauk and the Hamptons are filled with liberals. I hate going to either of them for that, and other, reasons.
The art world has a money laundering problem
Shell companies with hidden owners. Middlemen who shield the identities of buyers and sellers. Inadequate safeguards to keep out shady money.
That there is money laundered through art does not imply that the art market is simply a money laundering scheme. Most asset markets have some significant degree of illegal behavior in them.The art world has a money laundering problem
Shell companies with hidden owners. Middlemen who shield the identities of buyers and sellers. Inadequate safeguards to keep out shady money.www.cnn.com
Joe Biden is a baby fucking pedophile and anyone who defends him is getting paid or a pedophile themselves.
But go you will so long as there's a dollar in it for YOU.
Don't worry, you don't have to justify it because I already know you're full of shit.
You remind me of the bar scene in Good Will Hunting.
There are some dicks that whores won't suck,does that make you better or worse?
The art world has a money laundering problem
Shell companies with hidden owners. Middlemen who shield the identities of buyers and sellers. Inadequate safeguards to keep out shady money.
Hey! A girl has to make a living.
Actually, no. The time I have spent in the Hamptons has all been for weddings etc of family and family friends. I've never gone there for work, and didn't do much work for anybody on the East Coast.
My clients were almost exclusively on the west coast, and, I would say, about 80-20 Republican, maybe even more. You have to remember that before about 2000, much of Silicon Valley was basically the Wild West, and outside of the younger engineers, the politics were very much libertarian. The change in that came when it had become more established, and everybody saw it as the easy way to money, jobs got very hard to get, and the new recruits started to be all Ivy League. That was the change, the importation of the Ivy League culture into the area. My clients were mostly guys who basically wildcatted on real estate and other investments, and got very rich doing it, but they sure as hell weren't the liberals you see there today. Times change, populations change. I would not have done well if I had to deal with the current population there.
that was certainly not my claim, but it is still fake value and they are imo almost worthless until you can get some other idiot to buy it or somebody else to steal it. i rate it above baseball cards and comic books, but not by much.
i think $50k is the most i would value a piece of wall art, if it looked like it took many hours to paint.
Style points awarded !
Chik'n; A Kane in order ? Let me know and I will be happy to make a formal request to "Number One".
Well, you are the expert. I enjoy your Marxist analysis of value. Always enlightening.
