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Lawless said:
With respect, I understand the sentiment but hear me out. We sometimes are so principled in our beliefs we become a detriment to our goals. The right people in govt positions is a huge asset. This will become a much more multi-faceted “dynamic” in a very short time. To dismiss out of hand someone committed to doing everything possible to see FreFor succeed because they work inside isn’t tactically sound.

Likewise, those traditional liberals who are awake to this push for total government control should be used as assets. A belief that there should be a social safety net or that people need to be assured healthcare does not mean the person believes Liberty should die and the State is god, quite the contrary.

I am about as far to the side of limited government as one can get in my personal life but I will work shoulder to shoulder with whom ever wants to see this beast dead. “We” are a small minority in the FUSA population, those who are strict adherents to Natural Law, and “we” will need help.

This isn’t going to be a shooting conflict, to the disappointment of many. Oh there may be some violence in pockets but widespread meeting on the green isn’t going to happen. This is a battle of ideas, cyberspace and literal cancel culture (by government).

We better get this and get it soon. They don’t have to come to your house or job anymore. Ruining an individual or group is as easy as some key strokes. The answer to this is to be willing to be ruined and strive in the dark…with any sincere ally.
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I agree with almost everything here; except for one thing. I don't believe there are any "traditional liberals" around. They all swallowed the pill and are now full-on marxists. That's one of the problems with being a liberal, lack of individual beliefs - they always follow the crowd. I know the "traditional liberal" is likely meant to describe what a Libertarian used to be as well - but keep in mind most Libertarians believe in open-border.

Myself, I am Constitutionalist/republican (as in I believe in Our Republic and republican concept of governing - not the shills in the GOP).
 
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tesoro said:
Sure. come for a visit and I will introduce you to my acquaintances who got bedridden or had relatives die. I cant prove what I witnessed living in a small community, unless I collected affidavits I guess! The whole story of covid is revolting to me on all fronts from inception to the medical world profiting off it and all the other related political manipulation bs. I am about as country anti establishment as they come and dont stir turds for fun. I was the local poster child for vaccine hesitancy in the beginning due to the valid concerns over pathogenic priming but that appears to have not materialized. At this point in this epidemic I dont see the difference between getting a sniff of live covid laden air or getting an injection of dead covid proteins. The shit still gets into your system and stays there.
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So, you have no proof other than by your own admission. BTW, my grandfather was Babe Ruth..........
 
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Just 4 years ago, Republicans had basically complete control of the executive, and legislature and took control of the Judicial. Its highly likely in 2022 the house will swing republican. The only president since 1945that has poled worse than biden 9 months in was Trump. Its aren’t that far off.

Our government seems to work like a swinging pendulum. Dividing the country left and right its going to swing back with equal force through election cycles. Right side extremists are just as dangerous as left side extremist. Example, like the people in here that still like to assume I am a fed, which I am not, but its that attitude that drives people away from supporting you, as people double down on their fucking stupidity. Sewing self destructing by not slowing the pendulum swing. Left riots across the country countered by the storming of the Capital more momentum to the ball, yet yeilds zero positive gains, people rounded up and jailed. Yet they accomplished nothing more than giving the left more power of thought.

I dont feel the system has completely failed. The right needs to learn to control the momentum of the pendulum.

The system was designed by our founders to be fluid, water can flow into a glass, a stone crushes it. Be like water, control the pendulum.

The right have got to stop turning off potential support. Remember they are many untapped potential supporters out the, reach out to them. Nearly 2/5’s of the country doesn’t register vote. Don’t need to be echo chambering to right base need to be reaching out to untapped potential support.


Last thing I am going to do is give you more spank material. You are the one stuck on it.... I find it hilarious you’re still thinking about it. Btw, if you knew anything about me personally, you would realize how idiotic your accusations of calling me a fed are. But go on your stupidity is very entertaining
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If you read my post it clearly says "Now go take some more pics of yourself so you can stare at them and "do your thing"." Reading is Fundamental Fed. No one wants to see you.
 
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Bullfrog08 said:
Ive said this before, a person that spends an abundant amount of time arguing against a community of people 90% of the time is motivated by stupidity or money.

Just to be clear stupidity would encompass all those childish things like (getting off on debate)(attention whore/desire to be known)(bored out of his fucking mind)

Personally, Im guessing its the attention whore thing. He loves that he upsets people, pushes buttons, and his name is referenced everywhere. He's the Hide's Kardashian, and it boost his ego in some manner. This post probably adds to his excitement, but also eats at his core a little, even though the response will elude otherwise.
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"He's the Hide's Kardashian"......

Difference being ? He's a broke loser. ;)
 
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tesoro said:
I am serious. To me it appears that being vaccinated overwhelmingly kept people out of the hospital, or in bed for a week, with Delta infections.
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So serious question: has the coronavirus or the delta variant been isolated and fully identified yet? The tests were not made with that knowledge, neither were the vaccines I believe. And I don’t think they are testing for the delta variant specifically. Can anyone on here give me the correct info on this?
 
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AllenOne1 said:
Tuck in your pants boys it's gettin deep in here.
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Jeebuz, no kidding. After asking for "some or one medical journal type link to hospitalization rates being higher for the vaccinated?", he goes on to list all kinds of completely unsubstantiated "data" about his friend, little "conservative communities", etc.

I'm from the PNW. You'd think I would have heard something on the local Pravda about this.

Color me politely skeptical......
 
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lariat said:
So serious question: has the coronavirus or the delta variant been isolated and fully identified yet? The tests were not made with that knowledge, neither were the vaccines I believe. And I don’t think they are testing for the delta variant specifically. Can anyone on here give me the correct info on this?
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i can't vouch for anything they provide, but if you believe them, it is almost all delta now...predictably a vaccine resistant strain....
covid.cdc.gov

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.
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Lawless said:
With respect, I understand the sentiment but hear me out. We sometimes are so principled in our beliefs we become a detriment to our goals. The right people in govt positions is a huge asset. This will become a much more multi-faceted “dynamic” in a very short time. To dismiss out of hand someone committed to doing everything possible to see FreFor succeed because they work inside isn’t tactically sound.

Likewise, those traditional liberals who are awake to this push for total government control should be used as assets. A belief that there should be a social safety net or that people need to be assured healthcare does not mean the person believes Liberty should die and the State is god, quite the contrary.

I am about as far to the side of limited government as one can get in my personal life but I will work shoulder to shoulder with whom ever wants to see this beast dead. “We” are a small minority in the FUSA population, those who are strict adherents to Natural Law, and “we” will need help.

This isn’t going to be a shooting conflict, to the disappointment of many. Oh there may be some violence in pockets but widespread meeting on the green isn’t going to happen. This is a battle of ideas, cyberspace and literal cancel culture (by government).

We better get this and get it soon. They don’t have to come to your house or job anymore. Ruining an individual or group is as easy as some key strokes. The answer to this is to be willing to be ruined and strive in the dark…with any sincere ally.
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This is a war of attrition
 
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tesoro said:
I dont know. He was a friend of my nurse bud. Not my friend. You sound like my little sister trying to argue.
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I never heard, or knew of, one person who got bed ridden or hospitalized that was vaccinated, partially or fully. Strange.
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Strange indeed , this thread has page after page after page of information about vaccinated and fully vaccinated hospitilazions and deaths .
Either you have completely ignored what has been posted here , or you came to push a false narrative !
 
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lariat said:
So serious question: has the coronavirus or the delta variant been isolated and fully identified yet? The tests were not made with that knowledge, neither were the vaccines I believe. And I don’t think they are testing for the delta variant specifically. Can anyone on here give me the correct info on this?
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Strange indeed , this thread has page after page after page of information about vaccinated and fully vaccinated hospitilazions and deaths .
Either you have completely ignored what has been posted here , or you came to push a false narrative !
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My statement was only pertinent to my little town and what I observed first hand plus what my nurse friend told me. Thats it.
 
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I'd almost have some faith in the few people in the deep state that are trying to work from within.
Except I just watched four years of the swamp being stirred up. As Sodom and Gomorrah... There's nothing left to salvage. It's rotten from top to bottom and those few remnants are just collecting a check waiting for retirement. Project veritas has proven time and again that nothing will be done.
Lawless said:
With respect, I understand the sentiment but hear me out. We sometimes are so principled in our beliefs we become a detriment to our goals. The right people in govt positions is a huge asset. This will become a much more multi-faceted “dynamic” in a very short time. To dismiss out of hand someone committed to doing everything possible to see FreFor succeed because they work inside isn’t tactically sound.

Likewise, those traditional liberals who are awake to this push for total government control should be used as assets. A belief that there should be a social safety net or that people need to be assured healthcare does not mean the person believes Liberty should die and the State is god, quite the contrary.

I am about as far to the side of limited government as one can get in my personal life but I will work shoulder to shoulder with whom ever wants to see this beast dead. “We” are a small minority in the FUSA population, those who are strict adherents to Natural Law, and “we” will need help.

This isn’t going to be a shooting conflict, to the disappointment of many. Oh there may be some violence in pockets but widespread meeting on the green isn’t going to happen. This is a battle of ideas, cyberspace and literal cancel culture (by government).

We better get this and get it soon. They don’t have to come to your house or job anymore. Ruining an individual or group is as easy as some key strokes. The answer to this is to be willing to be ruined and strive in the dark…with any sincere ally.
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As the Bible story goes.... Show me one agency that's not corrupted and maybe I would change my mind.
 
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tesoro said:
I am serious. To me it appears that being vaccinated overwhelmingly kept people out of the hospital, or in bed for a week, with Delta infections.
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I am really surprised with your lack of exposure to reports about what is actually happening with the shots and current effects of those shots. Most of that data has been posted in this thread so it is available.
 
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tesoro said:
My statement was only pertinent to my little town and what I observed first hand plus what my nurse friend told me. Thats it.
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I’m not calling you out, although you should have read the previous posts in this thread. Your response just caused me to have a thought. I have read reports stating yes and no regarding isolation.
 
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lariat said:
So serious question: has the coronavirus or the delta variant been isolated and fully identified yet? The tests were not made with that knowledge, neither were the vaccines I believe. And I don’t think they are testing for the delta variant specifically. Can anyone on here give me the correct info on this?
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My understanding is they do random sampling to perform rna strand sequencing to determine prevalence of strains across areas.
 
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NoDopes said:
My understanding is they do random sampling to perform rna strand sequencing to determine prevalence of strains across areas.
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Well wouldn’t that then be a problem? If there are different rna attributes with each variant and the delta variant wasn’t what the mRNA vaccine was built to, and it has been noted that the vaccine addresses only a specific virus (original c-19), then why would there be any expectations that it would work on the delta variant? This much has been stated in the media already, so why take the shot?
 
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tesoro said:
I am serious. To me it appears that being vaccinated overwhelmingly kept people out of the hospital, or in bed for a week, with Delta infections.
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Here's the rub. YOU made the decision for yourself! Sure, if your story is as you say it is.....you listened to people you trust and decided it's best for YOU.
My very healthy for 70 Dad got it 6 months ago. He's just fine. I told him he was nuts.. My sister in laws best friend's daughter is in the hospital with her dome open because of brain bleeding and seizures. Imagine choosing for your child and getting that result. Not sure I could live with that. Now imagine the complete rage if somehow you were forced to give it to your child.
As it stands today, nobody has been jabbed against their will because true conviction and willingness to take the tough road is rare. Very few people have the intestinal fortitude to stand their ground and be fired....so they line up and make tic tok videos about how wrong it is.
All I can say is Make YOUR choice and never back down. We will all know when our last days are upon us. Make decisions you can leave this world with at any time knowing you did right by you and yours. Everything else is bullshit.
 
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tesoro said:
Would you be able to provide some or one medical journal type link to hospitalization rates being higher for the vaccinated? This is contrary to what I have seen in the PNW over the last 2 months with the D strain. A close friend ( ex marine medic, combat mogadishu, iraq, afgan, blackwater contractor no bs dude) is now an ER nurse up on north WA coast. His hospital was overloaded with D cases and many deaths. It was different from the original strain in that the beds were now filled with all walks of life. One his his non-vax buds got it and friggin died. He was a healthy 44 year old paramedic with no co-morbities. He called me up 2 mos ago and urged me to get the shots which I did, reluctantly. In my small town we had an epidemic of D and many friends got ultra sick or wound up in the hospital with breathing probs. My neighbor, old lady not in good health, got it and dead on day 5. We had alot of deaths for our small county but it was not publicized as we are so conservative. I never heard, or knew of, one person who got bed ridden or hospitalized that was vaccinated, partially or fully. Strange.
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Yep, you can smell the sh#t in this one. This has got TROLL written all over it. Mac🤔
 
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(I didn’t think it was possible either.)

But yesterday the Centers for Disease Control, America’s not-at-all-politicized public health agency, released a new study purporting to show that vaccination protects against Covid infection better than natural immunity. Of course, a wave of stories about the benefits of mRNA vaccination followed.

To do this, the CDC used some magic statistical analysis to turn inside raw data that actually showed almost four times as many fully vaccinated people being hospitalized with Covid as those with natural immunity - and FIFTEEN TIMES as many over the summer.

I kid you not.

Further, the study runs contrary to a much larger paper from Israeli researchers in August.
As my two-year-old likes to say, How dey do dat?

Well, the Israeli study drew on a meaningful dataset in a meaningful way to reach meaningful conclusions. It counted infections (and hospitalizations) in a large group of previously infected people against an equally large and balanced group of vaccinated people, then made moderate adjustments for clearly defined risk factors.

It found that vaccinated people were 13 times as likely to be infected - and 7 times as likely to be hospitalized - as unvaccinated people with natural immunity.

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tesoro said:
Would you be able to provide some or one medical journal type link to hospitalization rates being higher for the vaccinated? This is contrary to what I have seen in the PNW over the last 2 months with the D strain. A close friend ( ex marine medic, combat mogadishu, iraq, afgan, blackwater contractor no bs dude) is now an ER nurse up on north WA coast. His hospital was overloaded with D cases and many deaths. It was different from the original strain in that the beds were now filled with all walks of life. One his his non-vax buds got it and friggin died. He was a healthy 44 year old paramedic with no co-morbities. He called me up 2 mos ago and urged me to get the shots which I did, reluctantly. In my small town we had an epidemic of D and many friends got ultra sick or wound up in the hospital with breathing probs. My neighbor, old lady not in good health, got it and dead on day 5. We had alot of deaths for our small county but it was not publicized as we are so conservative. I never heard, or knew of, one person who got bed ridden or hospitalized that was vaccinated, partially or fully. Strange.
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