Portland...full tilt crazy people

[BytorJr]

Portland hits feds with $500 fine every 15 minutes fence stands outside besieged courthouse

The city of Portland, Ore. is fining the federal government $500 for every 15 minutes it maintains fencing outside of the federal courthouse that has faced nightly attacks amid ongoing protests and rioting.

www.foxnews.com

This is absolutely unbelievable...but sadly not unbelievable.

I just hope and pray that people are not buying the bullshit narrative that this is all Trump's fault. If our populace is that stupid and cares more about a few bad tweets that Trump has let rip that has really hurt nobody but Trump and would rather watch our rights go to pot, the country burned to the ground, all history erased then 1) I guess we will deserve what we get, 2) we have a lot of ignorant people (ok, that's obvious) that need to go read a bit about 20th century history of Stalin's regime, Hitler's Third Reich, Turkey & Armenians, Yugoslavia, Mao's Regime, Mugabe, Dada, and I can go on and on.

To think it cannot happen here is stupid. Every time some kook on SCOTUS interprets COTUS as a living document that is 'changable' without an amendment we get close and closer to absolute tyranny. People think "we have COTUS." Well, they're too blind, ignorant, self absorbed with facebook to realize what is at stake!!!

Rant over.

 

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" As of yesterday, the federal government owes us $192,000 and counting. We intend to collect. "




yeah, be sure to let me know how that goes for you

 

[Aries256]

Collect this assholes.

 

[MtnCreek]

Is the fence on City property? If so, they should remove the fence.

 

[MadDuner]

The DOJ should arrest the mayor and city council for every charge they can dream up, and do it on live TV.

 

[tomcatmv]

Bill Barr had this right yesterday in the congressional hearing "monkey court" when he said it's an attack on the federal court/government. So as the oath says to defend on all enemies both foreign and domestic, why won't the Dems call them the domestic enemies/terrorists they are ? Barr point blank asked that and, crickets.

 

[EddieNFL]

Is the fence on City property? If so, they should remove the fence.

Screw 'em. The city claims access to XX feet of my property for whatever they determine necessary. The feds can do the same and Portland can suck it.

 

[FS1]

Dems don't love America...They Love Power.

 

[anon]

The fence is obstructing the sidewalk and the peaceful protestors are obstructing the roadway. What is their proposal for fining the peaceful protestors obstructing the roadway?

 

[DustBun]

Rhetorical question: How is this, and so many other things going on, not treason?

From Merriam-Webster:
treason noun
trea·son | \ ˈtrē-zᵊn \
Definition of treason

1: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family

 

[FS1]

I wonder what cases are being halted while the Courthouse is under siege? I'll bet something the left does not like was happening there. Just a hunch.

 

[theLBC]

i hear they have a good food scene

 

[kenny1773]

The federal government should charge the city the cost of having to provide security detail to protect the building since the city is unable to protect it on their own. I am betting that is more than $500 per 15 minutes...

 

[E. Bryant]

I see we're all still getting a collective hard-on about having the Feds come in and walk all over a local jurisdiction. Not sure that's really what the Founding Fathers had in mind...

 

[EddieNFL]

I see we're all still getting a collective hard-on about having the Feds come in and walk all over a local jurisdiction. Not sure that's really what the Founding Fathers had in mind...

I'll bet they didn't envision authorities allowing one specific group free reign to terrorize law-abiding citizens, either.

 

[FishinGuns]

Dems don't love America...They Love Communism.

FIFY

 

[MadDuner]

I believe it’s way past time for “normal” US Citizens to voice their opinions about whether they accept Marxism as pushed down their throats by small minority of violent rioters and protestors.

The Marxists are making headway because actions are louder than words. “Normal” Americans may be required to take action themselves if they want to remain as citizens and do not wish to become communist subjects.

 

[Fig]

They should deny Portland all Federal Funds, period..., and all Sanctuary cities, and the State of California, and New York, and Illinois...smartass!

 

[E. Bryant]

I'll bet they didn't envision authorities allowing one specific group free reign to terrorize law-abiding citizens, either.

They also didn't envision terrorists hijacking planes and flying them into buildings, and so we used that excuse to tear up parts of the Constitution almost 20 years ago and look where it's gotten us - ATF agents hassling people for buying diesel fuel filters online, and wiretapping associates of presidential candidates during campaigns.

This, too, will bring unintended consequences. It always happens when we violate the framework under which this country was created. I'll gladly let Portland burn if it means upholding the principles of limited federal power over local jurisdictions.

 

[BytorJr]

I could actually care less if Portland burns all the way to the ground. Seriously. They voted for this type of local government, so let them reap what they sewed. However, when they destroy a federal building then MY tax dollars have to be used to rebuild it. That's what pisses me off most. The US should say, well, if the fence comes down, then you have to rebuild the building when it's destroyed and it has to be done in this amount of time all at your cost. Substantive penalty if not rebuilt on time.

I won't get into the Patriot Act and such that destroyed "Number 4" as told to us by Ron Paul.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Funny enough, when it suits the SJW/Democrat/Communist agenda the MSM "News" is all happy to trumpet about how it's fully legal for the Federal Government to step in, IF the local governments and local law enforcement are unable to keep law and order and protect the rights of the citizens.

 

[E. Bryant]

Funny enough, when it suits the SJW/Democrat/Communist agenda the MSM "News" is all happy to trumpet about how it's fully legal for the Federal Government to step in, IF the local governments and local law enforcement are unable to keep law and order and protect the rights of the citizens.

Yep, and if conservatives support the same approach when it serves our purposes, we hand a permission slip to both sides to do this whenever they see fit.

 

[Mike_Honcho]

I see we're all still getting a collective hard-on about having the Feds come in and walk all over a local jurisdiction. Not sure that's really what the Founding Fathers had in mind...

Is your post a joke? Is my sarc meter off?

60+ nights of sustained attacks on the same Federally owned property
Camp erected across the street - in violation of other municipal ordinances, and a blind eye is turned by TPTB
Stand down orders by the local politicians - dereliction of duty
Out of state antagonist - Fed Crime
Feds are not out solving crime in the community - they are watching feeds and rounding up known trouble makers at the Fed Court House


But yeah, that obstructed bike lane and all.....

 

[EddieNFL]

They also didn't envision terrorists hijacking planes and flying them into buildings, and so we used that excuse to tear up parts of the Constitution almost 20 years ago and look where it's gotten us - ATF agents hassling people for buying diesel fuel filters online, and wiretapping associates of presidential candidates during campaigns.

This, too, will bring unintended consequences. It always happens when we violate the framework under which this country was created. I'll gladly let Portland burn if it means upholding the principles of limited federal power over local jurisdictions.

Couldn't care less if it burns. My remark was intended to say feds should protect federal (our) property. The local government would rather be a part of the group tearing it down. Screw them and their hollow threats of fines.

 

[Mike_Honcho]

@ E.Bryant

- Is COVID a serious medical problem that warrants shutting down the Econ or is it a political move?

- Are riots and protests 'individual / one offs' in each of these communities, or is it a coordinated effort?

 

[Sgt47]

I see we're all still getting a collective hard-on about having the Feds come in and walk all over a local jurisdiction. Not sure that's really what the Founding Fathers had in mind...

As long as the feds stay on federal property, which is mostly what they're doing, I don't have a problem with it. Personally, I would leave, write off the courthouse and send Ted "squeal like a pig" Wheeler the bill for a new one and cut off all fed funds.

 

[Snuby642]

Have the mayor and governor not broken a federal law?

I'll bet some type of federal law has been broken by them at this point.

Round them up damn it.

Do we not have any federal law experts on here?

 

[MtnCreek]

...
Do we not have any federal law experts on here?

All of us are experts on all things.

 

[hermosabeach]

Can the fed legally cut funding to Oregon?

 

[BytorJr]

The scary thing is I was thinking of doing some business with Lazy Wolf or Grey Guns; but, in all seriousness, I don't know if I want any type of weapon going out to oregon for fear it'll be "lost."

Maybe the mayor is right....that fence needs to be moved to the border of oregon and the rest of the US.

 

[FS1]

Under Amendment 14 section 1

The Federal Govt has a duty to see that the states protect the rights of the people. When local Govt abdicated that responsibility and allowed lawlessness. The Fed has no choice but to step in. JMHO

 

[Snuby642]

We don't want to alienate all of Oregon just punish Portland.

Can we cut off aid city by city or by county?

 

[Wading]

Warfare has changed and our country is under attack and we are acting civil and fear what the world would say if we truly act on the issues at hand. Lols

 

[Mr.BR]

Rhetorical question: How is this, and so many other things going on, not treason?

From Merriam-Webster:
treason noun
trea·son | \ ˈtrē-zᵊn \
Definition of treason

1: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family

Playing devil's advocate.

'' That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness ''

Is that just in a ballot box ,method?

So guns you have and 2A is just total BS ,'well regulated militia' was meant to be what a hunting club or nowdays a golf club . I taught they were meant to be able to take on unjust government?

Even today you ballots are regularly ,gerrymandered , rigged, Incumbents almost impossible to replace, most elected positions have no term limits, and nowadays are becoming borderline hereditary , spouses, children even grandchildren are more or less guaranteed political career and seat of power previously held by the patriarch of the family. should they chose to pursue it.

What about when ballot box becomes rigged to the degree like in China or North Korea? Voting your way out of a dictatorship?

Its always treason until it's not, you know, if and when the overthrow succedss.

 

[armorpl8chikn]

i hear they have a good food scene

Not for long....

 

[Keel Haul]

My hugely leftist coworker and I were having one of our usual left vs right conversations yesterday and he says “why you pro 2A guys aren’t over in Portland right now fighting against government tyranny and protecting free speech baffles me. The feds are literally gassing and bean bagging peaceful protestors and not a peep from you guys.”

I told him I can’t speak for anyone but myself in pro 2A column but I’m all for peaceful protest, but when you’re attempting to destroy property, burn shit down and injure federal agents, thats a riot, not a protest and I can’t condone that.

He thinks that it’s only one or two guys, probably agent provocateurs on the right attempting to damage property to make the left look bad and everyone else is just holding signs and chanting kumbyah.

The irony is he and I get along great until politics is brought up and even though we don’t agree on much, at least we are both polite about it so he’s pretty much the only left I can have a reasonable conversation with that doesn’t devolve into a shit show.

 

[OldSalty]

You can have it both ways, you know...

The courthouse is federal property, no?

Take down the fence and then protect it however is necessary.

The fence I saw isnt keeping those out who may actually really really really want to get in to inflict damage. Take it down and see how bad they want it.

 

[Dunraven]

We've been told that fences don't work, so why worry about this one?

 

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My hugely leftist coworker and I were having one of our usual left vs right conversations yesterday and he says “why you pro 2A guys aren’t over in Portland right now fighting against government tyranny and protecting free speech baffles me. The feds are literally gassing and bean bagging peaceful protestors and not a peep from you guys.”

I told him I can’t speak for anyone but myself in pro 2A column but I’m all for peaceful protest, but when you’re attempting to destroy property, burn shit down and injure federal agents, thats a riot, not a protest and I can’t condone that.

He thinks that it’s only one or two guys, probably agent provocateurs on the right attempting to damage property to make the left look bad and everyone else is just holding signs and chanting kumbyah.

The irony is he and I get along great until politics is brought up and even though we don’t agree on much, at least we are both polite about it so he’s pretty much the only left I can have a reasonable conversation with that doesn’t devolve into a shit show.

.....ask him where the left was during any of the 2A rallies.....then tell him to stfu.

 

[myronman3]

^ or better yet, ask him why HE isnt there standing with them if he thinks that’s what is truely going on.

 

[myronman3]

as far as the feds protecting the courthouse and the fear that they’ll use that against us someday...i have no doubt. your concern is legit. HOWEVER....if a state refused to stop people from hanging black folks lynch mob style, then the feds have an obligation to step in and defend the citizenry. it’s been done before, not so coincidently, to stop the democrats from violating the safety and security of the citizens.

the more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[FS1]

Most who seek anarchy don’t know what it means. They think it means freedom, when in fact it is slavery and despair.

Rape, murder, theft all legal. In anarchy the vicious and evil rule.

They will cry like babies for Govt to save them. Except there is no govt.

 

[Dragonscout25]

Just my .02.....I don't want ANY American city to burn. Limited power is being exercised currently. There are more dire options under the law to stop this lawlessness. The Insurrection Act and martial law are two that come to mind and are just as unpalatable as a vet and someone that has done real riot control with every option on the table at Fort Chaffee, AR. It sucked and I was thankful that the commanders were restrained in that situation. A journalist just spoke to Glenn Beck describing how Antifa a-holes are dressing as journalists without creds and shielding the mobs that are now placing IEDs to catch federal agents unaware. This is all about getting a radical response to influence the election. But harming the uninitiated protesters as "collateral damage" is becoming a bit much as well. Until mainstream media gets hurt or worse on live TV, none of it will get out, maybe not even then. But on the "let it burn front" I'll give this observation. In my estimation, the President, in no uncertain terms, should warn the leaders of these cities in an immediate national address. .."Fine, we're removing every vital record and necessary item, securing and leaving at the request of your ELECTED officials. When the Federal agents leave, ANY and ALL damage to Federal property will be deducted from future requests for assistance of any kind until fully repaid to the Treasury." That should wake them, if not... well, as the painted one said..."and...here...we...go

 

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Most who seek anarchy don’t know what it means. They think it means freedom, when in fact it is slavery and despair.

Rape, murder, theft all legal. In anarchy the vicious and evil rule.

They will cry like babies for Govt to save them. Except there is no govt.

hell, look at what happens the second someone drives through a protest.....they immediately all scream for someone to "call 911".....not once have i heard them yell "well i guess we better call ANTIFA!"

yeah, defunding the police is fun and all, until you get flattened in the road by a 2 ton truck.....then you realize why we need them.....larping isnt fun anymore when there are real world consequences.

you can avoid reality....but you cannot avoid the consequences from avoiding reality

 

[BytorJr]

Should we just let Portland burn?

hotair.com

and the reference article

Let Portland Burn

At least leave it to its own devices and desires

ewerickson.substack.com

 

[OldSalty]

Looks like Trump is caving and will be pulling agents out of Potland?

Not really a winnable situation either way IMO. Damned if you do and damned...

 

[Mike_Honcho]

We don't want to alienate all of Oregon just punish Portland.

Can we cut off aid city by city or by county?

Nope - still penalizes all of us in flyover country OR. FWIW the PDX Metro Population is 49% of Oregon's total population - see the problem politically? Gov Brown was a Soros project for Secretary of State, and then was appointed Gov by Kitzhauber who was chased out of office b/c his girlfriend was selling influence. Both Kitzy and his receptacle got off scot-free.

 

[Mike_Honcho]

Looks like Trump is caving and will be pulling agents out of Potland?

Not really a winnable situation either way IMO. Damned if you do and damned...

As I told the Governor yesterday, federal law enforcement will remain in Portland until the violent activity toward our federal facilities ends. We are not removing any law enforcement while our facilities and law enforcement remain under attack

Chad Wolf
Acting DHS Sec

 

[Disfunctional_Engineer]

It's funny they won't be

Looks like Trump is caving and will be pulling agents out of Potland?

Not really a winnable situation either way IMO. Damned if you do and damned...

I'm thinking the court house will be a political sacrifice. The idea being that the "non violent" protestors will burn it to the ground without the feds there and Trump will go "hey, we weren't there don't blame us." Not to mention it will be a great campaign ad payed by tax payers. Maybe he'll sue the city for liability in not protecting it as well. If I were him I'd make it clear who had liability when the feds stand down.

I do find a level of irony that they're fining the federal government $2k/hour for obstructing the street when the protestors have been obstructing streets for months now and they don't seem to care.

 

[lash]

Kabuki theater.