Powder IN-STOCK thread

[Mag 300]

Amen to seeing H1000 again

 

[Choid]

Please stop going on tangents. It ruins this. I’ll make you a different thread if you want to talk about price there.
I just want my Federal Gold Medal 215 Match primers. Preferably 1k or more.

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Yes, their should definitely be a "Poor Peoples' Salty Vagina" thread elsewhere.

 

[Vivacious Stallion]

Brownells has CCI # 34 NATO spec large rifle primers in stock if anyone needs some. There's a couple coupon codes still working that will cover the hazmat shipping fee.

 

[Tx_Aggie]

Better get used to seeing prices and availability like this. Don't see it changing much anytime soon. Demand is going exceed supply by a considerable margin for years to come and don't be fooled thinking these companies aren't watching what's happening.

Things will always be worth what people are willing to pay for them.

Demand will continue to exceed supply, but not because we're still buying at panic levels.

This article is an interesting read on the subject:

What the Great Ammunition Shortage Says About Inflation

Concentration is increasing prices and keeping them high. The ammunition duopoly and the "Great Ammunition Shortage" is just one example.

mattstoller.substack.com

It was posted earlier on the hide. It's written by someone completely outside the firearms industry, so with no ties to Vista or Olin.

TLDR: The industry is now consolidated enough that we're not likely to see ammo prices go back to normal without some sort of major shakeup.

With only two companies controlling nearly all domestic manufacturing, they can manipulate production to keep prices high (by restricting supply), and they've been open about that with investors. There's plenty of incentive for them to maintain the perception of a shortage to keep margins high, and basically none for them to go back to pre-pandemic levels of inventory surplus.

A few quotes from the CEO of Vista that paint the picture pretty well:

"Because of some of the consolidation we've done with Remington, even if you look long term, we don't see the same type of price compression the industry may have experienced in previous times."

"Now with ammunition being the largest part of our business. I mean, clearly, buying a Remington, we've created what we feel like is an even more disciplined industry now as we go forward. We've got, I think, like competitors in the sense that they watch growth, they watch their margin profiles. And we feel like we've got a disciplined industry."

And I've mentioned previously that we studied, as best we can…industry capacity and making sure that we're not only managing our capacity, but very mindful of what's being brought into the industry, so we don't get over our skis, if you will."

By getting over their skis, he's talking about ending up in a situation where production is too high and is negatively impacting their margins by causing prices to drop. Meaning enough of a surplus that ammo is sitting on the shelves. If you can charge 100% more for something, you only have to make half as much of it. And if that creates a perception of shortage, even better because it increases turnover.

We've spend 2 years teaching the industry that we are willing to pay as much as 200-300% more that we were a few years ago for ammo and reloading components. We shouldn't expect them to forget that.

 

[nick338]

We've spend 2 years teaching the industry that we are willing to pay 200-300% more for ammo and reloading components. We shouldn't expect them to forget that.

This couldn't be more true. Exactly what I'm talking about and I don't believe it will be limited to our industry.

 

[Choid]

Short term pricing curves and long term pricing curves are rarely the same. Doesn't matter what you "feel" it is going to be like in the future. The future will depend on how demand and supply change based on a great number of inputs. Any guesses about future prices are just guesses. So buy powder if you want, and don't if you don't. End of story.

 

[Choid]

Demand will continue to exceed supply, but not because we're still buying at panic levels.

This article is an interesting read on the subject:

What the Great Ammunition Shortage Says About Inflation

Concentration is increasing prices and keeping them high. The ammunition duopoly and the "Great Ammunition Shortage" is just one example.

mattstoller.substack.com

It was posted earlier on the hide. It's written by someone completely outside the firearms industry, so with no ties to Vista or Olin.

TLDR: The industry is now consolidated enough that we're not likely to see ammo prices go back to normal without some sort of major shakeup.

With only two companies controlling nearly all domestic manufacturing, they can manipulate production to keep prices high (by restricting supply), and they've been open about that with investors. There's plenty of incentive for them to maintain the perception of a shortage to keep margins high, and basically none for them to go back to pre-pandemic levels of inventory surplus.

A few quotes from the CEO of Vista that paint the picture pretty well:

"Because of some of the consolidation we've done with Remington, even if you look long term, we don't see the same type of price compression the industry may have experienced in previous times."

"Now with ammunition being the largest part of our business. I mean, clearly, buying a Remington, we've created what we feel like is an even more disciplined industry now as we go forward. We've got, I think, like competitors in the sense that they watch growth, they watch their margin profiles. And we feel like we've got a disciplined industry."

And I've mentioned previously that we studied, as best we can…industry capacity and making sure that we're not only managing our capacity, but very mindful of what's being brought into the industry, so we don't get over our skis, if you will."

By getting over their skis, he's talking about ending up in a situation where production is too high and is negatively impacting their margins by causing prices to drop. Meaning enough of a surplus that ammo is sitting on the shelves. If you can charge 100% more for something, you only have to make half as much of it. And if that creates a perception of shortage, even better because it increases turnover.

We've spend 2 years teaching the industry that we are willing to pay as much as 200-300% more that we were a few years ago for ammo and reloading components. We shouldn't expect them to forget that.

FWIW, Stoller is a BIG believer in monopoly power. While monopolies 1) can happen, and 2) can be disciplined, it is the exception, rather than the rule for them to be so. Also, you don't want to conflate multiple issues. One is ammuntition, which is somewhat consolidated, and the other is ammunition components, which is not only unconsolidated, but also generally nothing but a marketing business.

Take Alliant, for example, because they are part of Vista. They make little, or none, of their own powder, so the assumption that they can both be disciplined enough to forsake marginal profit for higher revenue, and also keep those distribution channels closed, is almost unfathomable. Same with Hodgdon etc. Could they collude to do so? Maybe, but any distribution business has exceedingly low barriers to entry, unlike ammunition manufacturing.

To date, the ammunitions manufacturers have displayed a relatively straight up and down supply curve. They are not able to increase production much to meet demand, and they have never shown the discipline to shut down production in glut times. I am not privy to the internal economics of the business, but from the outside, it would seem that, again to date, they have found that adding capacity doesn't make sense, but running at less than maximum capacity doesn't either. I can read what their CEO said, but I put more faith in what they have been able to accomplish in the past. It is more consolidated now, so who knows, but as long as marginal revenue is higher than marginal cost, it is hard to imagine they are going to shut things down, and if they do, it is hard to imagine that somebody else won't step up.

TL;DR version. Be careful in believing CEOs who tell you they are going to do something they have failed at many times before, and take professors of monopoly economics with a grain of salt when they tell you that an industry is about to engage in monopolistic behavior. Like everybody else, they are often men with hammers seeing nails everywhere.

 

[sig2009]

$60/lb?!! You guys must be pretty desperate

I agree. A couple weeks ago it was $39.99.

 

[sig2009]

Better get used to seeing prices and availability like this. Don't see it changing much anytime soon. Demand is going exceed supply by a considerable margin for years to come and don't be fooled thinking these companies aren't watching what's happening.

Things will always be worth what people are willing to pay for them.

HAHA. Years to come. You crack me up.

 

[Buzzinga]

Anyone seen any Large rifle primers lately anywhere?

Brownells has cci 34, LR military primers in stock right now, good luck

MILITARY RIFLE PRIMERS | Brownells

Military-style semi-auto rifles seldom have firing pin retraction springs. If care is not used in assembling ammunition, a “slam-fire” can occur before the bolt locks. The military arsenals accomplish this using different techniques and components...

www.brownells.com

 

[nick338]

I buy it cheaper everyday, and you could too if people quit paying stupid prices for supplies. The businesses are paying attention and will keep raising prices until the fools quit paying outlandish prices.

Stuff was pretty high during the Obama years, but 2017-2018 price moderated.

Please tell me where so I can stop being stupid.

Prices and availability during the Obama years was not at the same level we are seeing now.

Do you guys stop putting gas in your cars or do you pay the prices at the pumps? Do you stop paying the grocery stores or are you still feeding your families?

I work in an industry every day that people pay what they have to out of need, not because they have nothing better to spend their money on.

Sometimes it's not a choice, or maybe it is and we can all just raise are fists up and say we aren't going to shoot until you guys drop your prices. Good luck with that.

Supply is not just limited to demand. The Obama years did not have a major pandemic impacting every facet of life like what we are experiencing now. There's a generation of people now that feel like they don't have to work, especially after getting paid to not do so. And the quality of a lot of the workforce is garbage, I see it every day. This causes a strain on companies just to keep their doors open as it has a trickle affect from the bottom up for getting supplies, components, fuel and having to pay people more than they are worth because you can't find help. Not to mention insurances going up and mandates to pay people extra sick time that are out with COVID.

Anyone have a kid in college? Please tell me how easy it would be for people to just stop sending their children to college so these institutions stop ass raping everyone. Never going to happen and tuition will just keep increasing because people will continue paying it.

Just did a market analysis to raise our labor rate up $20.00 an hour because everyone else in the area is doing it. It's never going to go in the opposite direction, I promise.

I could go on and on about how life as we used to know it is gone. Bottom line is we are going in exactly the direction the people that drive their cars wearing their masks want us to go in.

 

[rustyinbend]

Please tell me where so I can stop being stupid.

Prices and availability during the Obama years was not at the same level we are seeing now.

Do you guys stop putting gas in your cars or do you pay the prices at the pumps? Do you stop paying the grocery stores or are you still feeding your families?

I work in an industry every day that people pay what they have to out of need, not because they have nothing better to spend their money on.

Sometimes it's not a choice, or maybe it is and we can all just raise are fists up and say we aren't going to shoot until you guys drop your prices. Good luck with that.

Supply is not just limited to demand. The Obama years did not have a major pandemic impacting every facet of life like what we are experiencing now. There's a generation of people now that feel like they don't have to work, especially after getting paid to not do so. And the quality of a lot of the workforce is garbage, I see it every day. This causes a strain on companies just to keep their doors open as it has a trickle affect from the bottom up for getting supplies, components, fuel and having to pay people more than they are worth because you can't find help. Not to mention insurances going up and mandates to pay people extra sick time that are out with COVID.

Anyone have a kid in college? Please tell me how easy it would be for people to just stop sending their children to college so these institutions stop ass raping everyone. Never going to happen and tuition will just keep increasing because people will continue paying it.

Just did a market analysis to raise our labor rate up $20.00 an hour because everyone else in the area is doing it. It's never going to go in the opposite direction, I promise.

I could go on and on about how life as we used to know it is gone. Bottom line is we are going in exactly the direction the people that drive their car wearing their mask want us to go in.

True dat ... it's rich to hear people say "Stop buying and prices will go down" ... without an alternative other than simply "Leave the guns in the safe". At some point, this will all equalize and prices will meet availability. But not today, and probably not tomorrow. So until then, I pay a premium for what I can't do without, and use my stock on-hand for the activities that I consider to be my priorities. Did I pay more than I wanted to? "Yes" ... but that answer is valid for about 187 other things right now, not just reloading supplies. Life goes on ... Pay or don't shoot ... and always remember: "THERE'S NO CRYING IN RELOADING".

 

[ma smith]

Good discussion but lets get back to notifications

 

[long range sponge]

Reloading Products like Bullet & Shotshell Reloading

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Lever in stock

 

[Deleted member 173458]

CCI #400 Small Rifle Primers (1000 ct) | Powder Valley

Ensure fast and consistent ignition with CCI #400 small rifle primers from Powder Valley. These premium primers are popular with hunters and match shooters.

www.powdervalleyinc.com

 

[TicTacTex]

IMR 4320 and 7828 8 pounders at Powder valley.

 

[NamibHunter]

IMR 4320 and 7828 8 pounders at Powder valley.

Both Powders are sold out now.

CCI 400 Primers: “Come back in 15 minutes, pending orders”. No luck.

At least these components are now ‘back on the market’, for short periods of time.

 

[nightBird]

mid way has some military small rifle

 

[NamibHunter]

US869 is still in stock, magnum powder for 7 STW, 300 Ultramag, 30-378 Weatherby, 338LM, and 50BMG. It is a spherical powder.

Hodgdon US 869 Smokeless Gun Powder

This spherical powder is superb with heavy bullets in big, over-bore, magnum rifle cartridges. Because it is very dense, it allows the shooter to use enough powder to create true magnum loads. US869 is also used in the 50 caliber BMG, where it yields high velocity and great accuracy with 750 and...

www.powdervalleyinc.com

“Description: This spherical powder is superb with heavy bullets in big, over-bore, magnum rifle cartridges. Because it is very dense, it allows the shooter to use enough powder to create
true magnum loads. US869 is also used in the 50 caliber BMG, where it yields high velocity
and great accuracy with 750 and 800 grain projectiles. A truly great 1000-yard competition
propellant.”

 

[Abbotm2]

6.5 PRC brass

They must be smoking the good stuff

Shop Rifle & Shotgun Reloading Supplies | Dies | Bullets | Hulls | Wads | Powder - Precision Reloading

Shop online for shotshell and metallic reloading supplies, shooting supplies, metallic presses, rifle reloading components, shotshell reloading components, shooting accessories, rifle reloading brass and Bullets.

www.precisionreloading.com

 

[XikoPlavi]

And shitty grafs fucked me again. Took the n320 right out my cart while paying. Meth head website they got

 

[2aBaC̶a̶]

6.5 PRC brass

They must be smoking the good stuff

Shop Rifle & Shotgun Reloading Supplies | Dies | Bullets | Hulls | Wads | Powder - Precision Reloading

Shop online for shotshell and metallic reloading supplies, shooting supplies, metallic presses, rifle reloading components, shotshell reloading components, shooting accessories, rifle reloading brass and Bullets.

www.precisionreloading.com

Yeah seriously starting to consider turning my 6.5PRC build into a whats the cheapest thing to reload for build.

 

[Uahtrapper]

Powder Valley 6.5 Sta Bil

 

[Uahtrapper]

Did they only let you buy 5 of the 6.5 Sta Bil

 

[jinxx4ever]

Gid they only let you buy 5 of the Sta Bil

they only let u buy 5- 1lb'rs of any powder

 

[Klay23]

Subbed

 

[Dot3]

Tac, AA4350, others

Smokeless Powder for Sale | Reloading Powders | Midsouth Shooters

Midsouth offers a variety reloading powders in container sizes from 1 pound to 8 pounds. Shop smokeless powder for sale by quantity, type, or brand here.

www.midsouthshooterssupply.com

 

[Dot3]

Hodgdon H4350 Smokeless Gun Powder 1 lb

Hodgdon H4350 Extreme Extruded propellant is a burning speed that has been known to shooters for decades. During that time, Hodgdon has modernized H4350...

www.midwayusa.com

H4350

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Got a shipping notice for my Varget from Brownells.

 

[never_summer]

8lb imr 4895 at midway

 

[TicTacTex]

Win 760 and VV N135 at Powder Valley.

 

[Deleted member 173458]

Accurate 4350 Smokeless Propellant Rifle Powder

Buy Accurate 4350 Smokeless Propellant rifle powder at Midsouth Shooters. This single-base, extruded powder is versatile and can be used in many cartridges.

www.midsouthshooterssupply.com

 

[NamibHunter]

BL-C(2) is in stock at Midway, have used it successfully for 308 and 30-06 loads with long bullets that intrude deep into the case. High load density. Listed in the Barnes load manual/web site for their 180 TTSX.

Hodgdon BLC2 Smokeless Gun Powder 1 lb

Hodgdon Powder offers the largest selection of quality smokeless propellants for any reloading application. Hodgdon BL-C(2) is a spherical powder that...

www.midwayusa.com

Worked well for me.

 

[sig2009]

BL-C(2) is in stock at Midway, have used it successfully for 308 and 30-06 loads with long bullets that intrude deep into the case. High load density. Listed in the Barnes load manual/web site for their 180 TTSX.

Hodgdon BLC2 Smokeless Gun Powder 1 lb

Hodgdon Powder offers the largest selection of quality smokeless propellants for any reloading application. Hodgdon BL-C(2) is a spherical powder that...

www.midwayusa.com

Worked well for me.

IMR 4064 works better for me in .308.

 

[bab029]

I’ve got in stock alerts set up for 4064 all over the internet.

 

[SierraSR25]

I’ve got in stock alerts set up for 4064 all over the internet.

If you’re anywhere near southern NC I’ve got an 8lb jug of 4064

 

[Safety_3rd]

If you’re anywhere near southern NC I’ve got an 8lb jug of 4064

I like nice jugs

 

[kvpm]

CCI BR4 primers at brownells. $140/1k. Limit 1.

 

[kvpm]

CCI 41 primers at midway. $100/1k. Limit 1.

 

[x2cross]

Ramshot TAC 8lbers. Finally got one!

Ramshot TAC Smokeless Gun Powder 8 lb

Ramshot Smokeless Powder is newly manufactured, meaning it hasn't been pulled from loaded ammunition and it's not military surplus powder. Every powder...

www.midwayusa.com

Product Total​	$216.99​
Shipping Total​	$15.70​
HazMat Charge​	$15.99​
Tax​	$16.79​
Total​	$265.47​

 

[Jefe's Dope]

CCI BR4 primers at brownells. $140/1k. Limit 1.

CCI 41 primers at midway. $100/1k. Limit 1.

And gone.

 

[Jeremiah Johnson]

Ramshot TAC 8lbers. Finally got one!

Ramshot TAC Smokeless Gun Powder 8 lb

Ramshot Smokeless Powder is newly manufactured, meaning it hasn't been pulled from loaded ammunition and it's not military surplus powder. Every powder...

www.midwayusa.com

Product Total​	$216.99​
Shipping Total​	$15.70​
HazMat Charge​	$15.99​
Tax​	$16.79​
Total​	$265.47​

What caliber are you using Ramshot on?

 

[x2cross]

What caliber are you using Ramshot on?

223 mainly. Some 30-30. Gonna start loading 308 with it as well.

 

[Wizard1183]

Pretty much all prices on components stayed true BUT. Primers. They doubled and tripled the price of those. Why? That’s the bottleneck of ammo. You can have 500lbs of powder and 100k bullets, but without a primer you got nuffin lol

 

[kentuckyMarksman]

Subscribing! I keep missing out on H4350...

 

[Im2bent]

Subscribing! I keep missing out on H4350...

You mean signing up to be notified by the retailer? By the time that happens its gone. Your best bet is probably discord.

 

[kentuckyMarksman]

Yep, that's what's happening. By the time an email comes through, it's gone.

 

[Billiam1211]

If you're a $50 / pound kinda person

Shooters World AR Plus D073-04 Smokeless Gun Powder 1 lb

Shooters World AR Plus D073-04 Smokeless Gun Powder is a bulk form of Lovex D073.4 reloading propellant. It is similar in burn speed to Accurate 2230....

www.midwayusa.com

 

[OkieMike]

Yep, that's what's happening. By the time an email comes through, it's gone.

I have started to wonder if Google fucks with email traffic that is related to firearms... Not necessarily flagging or blocking it, but slowing it down or giving it lower priority.

I've had the "pleasure" of working on 2 of their facilities and walked away both times because I couldn't stomach their shitstain "values."

Might be my tin foil hat talking there, but I wouldn't put it past them.

Anyway, enough clutter. Back to the topic.

Mike

 

[Dogtown]

Is there a way this thread could be just notifications for in-stock stuff without all the chit chat? Asking for a friend...