Rifle Scopes PR Heritage Scopes

#51
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chpprguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've used the 3-15 and 5-25, I would have a hard time believing any of it was made in Taiwan.... </div></div>

Agreed, I loved my 3-15 and can't wait to pick up a 5-25, I just was wondering if anyone else had heard that is all. Not trying to cause a storm over it.
 
#52
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I literally just got off the phone with PH. I was told:

Assembled in VA

Glass is from Europe

Some parts are sourced from Taiwan.

Frankly, if the glass works for you, looks good when you look through it, and is as tough as what Ive seen, then who cares where a few parts are made?

I dont see it as a reason for concern, much less panic or selling off the scope or anything else.

We're not talking about an NC Star here guys...

JMHO
 
#53
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I have owned two PHs, lots of S&Bs, one USO, lots of Leupolds, a couple of Nightforce... you get the picture.

There are pluses and minuses to all of these scopes, even among the "elite" brands like PH and S&B.

IMHO the Premier glass is second to none. I love the big MTC knobs (with the click upgrade). The 3-15 power range great.
On the minus side they are a little bigger and heavier than say a comparable S&B. Some hate the "lip" (and the flips that come with it) on the 3-15.

Different strokes for different folks.

I like the point that there are plenty of GAP rifle up for sale lately, along with Noveske, Patriot Arms, etc. Nothing wrong with those brands, more a sign of the times...
 
#54
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: shaggyback</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I literally just got off the phone with PH. I was told:

Assembled in VA

Glass is from Europe

Some parts are sourced from Taiwan.

Frankly, if the glass works for you, looks good when you look through it, and is as tough as what Ive seen, then who cares where a few parts are made?

I dont see it as a reason for concern, much less panic or selling off the scope or anything else.

We're not talking about an NC Star here guys...

JMHO </div></div>

The parts from Taiwan are prolly just the electronic controls for the illumination. Just a guess.
 
#56
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have twisted the living shit out of the elevation and windage knobs and magnification ring for over 400 rounds over unknown distances over the course of two match weekends and a trainup. First round cold bore hits at 790 and 825 yards. Targets from 25 to 1125 yards, without so much as a hiccup from the scope.

I have utter faith in the performance of my 5-25.</div></div>

I don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing to my ears.
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hahaha
 
#57
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Trigger Monkey</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The parts from Taiwan are prolly just the electronic controls for the illumination. Just a guess.</div></div>

Nooo...it's more than just that. </div></div>
Well, how much more and what is sourced from Taiwan?

Inquiring minds want to know.
 
#58
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Trigger Monkey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[/quote]

The parts from Taiwan are prolly just the electronic controls for the illumination. Just a guess.</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Nooo...it's more than just that. </div></div>

This is the second time I can recall you making a smug comment about Premier without elaborating for the benefot of the audience.

If you know something the rest of us don't, how bout you share the secret.
 
#59
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Trigger Monkey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[/quote]

The parts from Taiwan are prolly just the electronic controls for the illumination. Just a guess.

Nooo...it's more than just that. </div></div>

Didn't you work for PR? I'm sure a lot of us would like to know this "inside info" regarding the PH.
 
#63
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I too would be interested in some real facts versus the implying of what may or may not be, leaving others to use their overactive imaginations on what is really true.

How about some coherent statements, name some parts or stop doing the beat around the bush bashing.

Some parts are made in Taiwan, oh my! The scope caps or the glass?? An internal screw or the whole tube??? Kind of makes a difference.

I've got no issues with bashing as long as there are details and they are truthful.

It's just like saying, XYZ Gunsmith doesn't make a good rifle. Okay, well that tells us nothing.
 
#64
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These are great scopes, and the glass is awesome. I have a 3-15 on my 308 semi-auto, and I am going away from my 300 Win Mag so that was why I sold mine.

As soon as my 300 Win Mag sells I will be purchasing another 3-15 for my 308 bolt gun.
 
#65
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If I were you guys I would leave this alone, I think Ian might find himself in a bit of trouble he continues down this path, if he hasn't already.

I don't want to just "remove" this thread, for fear it would appear I am trying to hide something for Premier, but you have to look at a couple of things here.

Ian did work for Premier, and no longer works for Premier now and clearly has a problem with Chris. It's been documented I know, not just on SH, but other sites that he is fueling an "anti Premier" fire with his vague references about sub-contracted parts. I know he has a non-disclosure clause which I think he might have violated once or twice at least, that part is up to others to determine.

Further more, you have to look at Premier, within a short amount of time, and with limited finances they are putting out an excellent tactical scope. Think about the history of a company like Leupold and where they are today compared to Premier, or at least where they are not especially when you consider the customer base and resources. Considering everything Premier has done and is doing, they are leaps and bounds ahead of a company like Leupold with what could be considered unlimited resources. Have mistakes been made, are there still growing pains, sure, but they are addressing them, and taking steps to correct any issue that show up. And I have to say, a lot of issues don't always show right away, especially when you consider the use, a hunting scope can be far more flawed than a tactical one.

I think we should be fair to Chris, and I think Ian should stop before the lawyers try to take his head, as for the rest of us, I would let it go. If you are happy with your scope, great, if you are considering a scope from Premier, even better, but don't let a disgruntled ex employee sway your decision, and I would ask Ian not to use SH to be the vehicle for his anger.

This is tough position to put SH in, we want to inform the community when issues arise, but using this site to fan the flames is not the intent.
 
#68
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Whoever's post I just deleted, sorry, I had two windows open and meant to delete one of mine from another thread. Feel free to post again, it was a new one after LL's post above. Oops.
</div></div>

Damnit.....it was the meaning of life.....I had it all explained.....
 
#72
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Well, y'all say what you want about these Premier's, but I have had nothing but problems with mine. Let me name a few:

1. "More Tactile Click" function that makes the adjustments feel crisper than scopes I'm use to.

2. Glass so clear that I see mirage that I never saw before in other scopes.

3. Light transmission that is so good I am almost blind in my right eye now. (might see a lawyer about that)

4. The damn constant questions and comments at the range about how sweet a scope it is and GOD forbid you let them look through it, they never stop going on about it.

Like I said.....problems. The real problem is that I never purchased truly nice glass until this year. Wherever the scope is "made", it is a fine tool and the nicest scope I have ever owned.
 
#73
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigjohnintexas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, y'all say what you want about these Premier's, but I have had nothing but problems with mine. Let me name a few:

1. "More Tactile Click" function that makes the adjustments feel crisper than scopes I'm use to.

2. Glass so clear that I see mirage that I never saw before in other scopes.

3. Light transmission that is so good I am almost blind in my right eye now. (might see a lawyer about that)

4. The damn constant questions and comments at the range about how sweet a scope it is and GOD forbid you let them look through it, they never stop going on about it.

Like I said.....problems. The real problem is that I never purchased truly nice glass until this year. Wherever the scope is "made", it is a fine tool and the nicest scope I have ever owned. </div></div>

WTF! I don't remember seeing that in the fine print!!!
 
#74
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigjohnintexas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I see mirage that I never saw before in other scopes.
</div></div>

Soooooo. I have you quoted as saying that PH causes more mirage....


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#75
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No, No, I said causes me to <span style="font-weight: bold">see</span> mirage that I never saw in other scopes.

Come to think about it, maybe it does cause more mirage. I think I'm going to send it in to warranty and see if they can fix that!
 
#77
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Shoot...I wish more guys would fire sale their 5-25s!

Lets be real here. A lot of people jump on bandwagons and end up spending a shit load of money on kit they never end up using. There is always that guy that wants to be the cool kid to have the latest and greatest.

Look at all the rifles sold daily on this site. Some of them never even shot.

I now own 2 5-25X PH scopes and honestly can not be happier.

I had a tracking issue at first but it was handled by Premier in a matter of days. I track tested and turn those knobs like a mother fucker before putting it back on my match rifle. She tracks solid. Keep in mind I was one of the very first to get their 5-25. Sometimes you bleed when you are on the cutting edge.

Our club has 10 - 12 of these scopes online now without any issues. They are all on rifles that are shot almost weekly and are not safe queens.

People always trip on things breaking.....name a scope brand here without a breakage. I have seen ALL brands of scopes go down. S&Bs included. 2 of them in one match in AZ last year. A 3rd S&B was sent to a customer with the wrong knob...great QC for a 3000+ piece of hardware.
 
#78
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vu</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lets be real here. A lot of people jump on bandwagons and end up spending a shit load of money on kit they never end up using. There is always that guy that wants to be the cool kid to have the latest and greatest.
</div></div>

Jeez, Vu!! Why don't you just come out and name me!!
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#79
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Well put Vu. I gave up on trading my PR 5-25 because I decided to stick with mil/mil, and then there's the part that no self respecting safe queen could ever wear it with the <span style="text-decoration: line-through">dirt</span> make that Vegas chalk-grit and marks from actually using it that it has on it.

I figure "being stuck" with a PR 5-25 is a pretty good place to be
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#80
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Taiwan is not China they don't produce pot metal crap and knockoffs. Products made in Taiwan are far closer in quality to stuff made in Japan than China. I don't hear anyone complaining about NF stuff being from Japan.

Taiwan's manufacturing base is not what it was 20 years ago either. Their modern exports consist mainly of semiconductors, laptops and other complex electronic parts which are of known good quality. Taiwan has also always been one of the US's staunchest allies in that region.
 
#82
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: honkey</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was just thinking, we have all heard the scuttlebutt that these scopes are going up something like 15% next year, is it possible that the price hike will cover things like said components? </div></div>

To be truthful, it does not matter.

IF parts are made overseas, than thats how it is. If parts are made in the USA, thats great.

To be honest, in this day and age, its almost imposable to buy any product with more than 20 parts not to get some part made out of the USA.

Also you got to think about what qualifies outside of the USA, steel made in China, turned in VA? Steel made in PA, but turned in China and shipped back?

My point is this, the end result is a American company doing the best they can, and people want to worry about the little stuff that has no affect on the product.

I would also wager the people crying the most, do not own a PR riflescope. but will stir the pot to no end just because its not a 100% USA product. All the wile shooting there Nikon hunting riflescope on the Browning A-Bolt rifle, driving in there Chevy Truck made in Mexico.

John
 
#83
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Here's what it boils down to. I am thus far extremely happy with my PH. I personally think that they are a hell of a bargain. You are basically getting a S&B quality scope for over a grand less.

I don't care what the parts content is as long as:

1: It works. It does and it works very, very well.
2: If a problem does arise, they take care of it. I feel confident that they will.

Personally, I would recomend that Chris puts an end to this shit once and for all. Post up a break down. He will not loose me as a customer for doing so. This wishy washy, droped hints BS is only making people think...huh...I am not sure if I am going to go there or not.

They are still an American company with American support and American workers. To expect EVERY SINGLE small item that goes into making a scope to come from our shores is not realistic.

Personally, I would like to know, but I don't really care (and I don't think most others would either). My PH kicks ass. I do think however, that a once and for all statement would put an end to this shit and be benificial in the long run.

Chris, thanks for going out on a limb and taking a risk. Thanks for producing a great product at a great price point. Thanks for employing American workers.
 
#85
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rath</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is a 3-15 up for sale for $2000 Flat right now! Somebody please take away the temptation!

Rath </div></div>You can get a brand new one all day long for that price(SHIPPED!!) at least until the first of the year when the price goes up.I will give you one hint : statue of <span style="font-weight: bold">LIBERTY</span>
 
#86
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh, and I agree with VU, man I would love for people to freak out and start fire selling some 5-25's. I need a couple more, but guess what, I don't see that happening. </div></div>

damn......
 
#87
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The world is flat...
The realities of the competitive landscape of the global market place has changed. The availability and cost for source(s) of materials and labor has changed. It has all been enabled by advances in technology, transportation, communications, etc.
A long-winded way of saying that Gugubica is spot on.

I have a PH 3-15 and love the product (feature-set), quality, and value.
Do I have faith that Premier stands behind it? Absolutely. I had a small issue initially and they fixed it quickly (< week turn around).
Do I care that it's not 100% American? Define those terms. The company is American which to me is defined as the revenue/profits flow into our economy (contributes to GDP). If it also drives some US jobs, that's great.
 
#88
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: k2peaker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The world is flat...
The realities of the competitive landscape of the global market place has changed. The availability and cost for source(s) of materials and labor has changed. It has all been enabled by advances in technology, transportation, communications, etc.
A long-winded way of saying that Gugubica is spot on.

I have a PH 3-15 and love the product (feature-set), quality, and value.
Do I have faith that Premier stands behind it? Absolutely. I had a small issue initially and they fixed it quickly (< week turn around).
Do I care that it's not 100% American? Define those terms. The company is American which to me is defined as the revenue/profits flow into our economy (contributes to GDP). If it also drives some US jobs, that's great. </div></div>

I agree completely...
I too wish the 5-25's would be moved at fire sale prices...I would like to buy another one for my wife. I hope to be able to make that happen after the first of the year, and I will pay the 15% increase if it comes to pass...
 
#89
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sp95</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rath</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is a 3-15 up for sale for $2000 Flat right now! Somebody please take away the temptation!

Rath </div></div>You can get a brand new one all day long for that price(SHIPPED!!) at least until the first of the year when the price goes up.I will give you one hint : statue of <span style="font-weight: bold">LIBERTY</span> </div></div>

I was kinda thinkin the same thing. I think it would be good for Chris to come out and help clear the air. For two former employees of PH to be talking this kinda sheet, it does make you wonder what's going on at the company. I do hope all's well for all parties.
 
#90
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My 1 cent is Chris is handling this just right. As of now, the rumor mill is cranked wide open with absolutely no factual basis for any negative rumors. People leave companies all the time for many different reasons. Through it all Chris has continued to do what he has done all along; produce the best tactical scope on the market. I hope that's what he continues to do.
 
#91
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I'm a newcomer to the world of precision shooting and my Heritage 3-15 is my first big price scope purchase.

Today I wanted a final assessment of whether my turrets need the new clickers or not and spent 25mins on the phone with Paul as he talked me through the process.

THAT'S service. When they spend the time to deal with you and it's a human being, not an auto-prompter telling you 'we value your business...'

From my perspective, one aspect of going with Premier as opposed to S&B wasn't just the technical comparison, but value. Premier offers so many, very high end features at much better value. Also, with the price I got from Liberty, that value measure was off the scale. Comparing them to S&B is fair on the technical level but comparing S&B to them at the price level made the Premier an easy choice.

I think the products speak for themselves, the company's attention to customers speaks for themselves and it seems the customers are willing to speak on behalf of the company when it's being maligned. That doesn't happen if you send out cheap Made In China sh*t...
 
#92
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Through it all Chris has continued to do what he has done all along; produce the best tactical scope on the market.</div></div>


While I know from first hand experience my 3-15 was a great scope, but the best tactical scope on the market? You say that based on what?
 
#93
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hunter223</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I was kinda thinkin the same thing. I think it would be good for Chris to come out and help clear the air. For two former employees of PH to be talking this kinda sheet, it does make you wonder what's going on at the company. I do hope all's well for all parties. </div></div>



Who's the 2nd employee??
 
#94
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was kinda thinkin the same thing. I think it would be good for Chris to come out and help clear the air. For two former employees of PH to be talking this kinda sheet, it does make you wonder what's going on at the company. I do hope all's well for all parties. </div></div>

Before this thing spins into further obscurity, I suppose I should explain some things…

First, personnel status:

Jerry Ricker and Ian Kenney are no longer employed by Premier Reticles. Out of respect for all parties involved, I will not disclose the circumstances surrounding their departure. Let’s just say that our primary mission is to produce the best possible product in a way that supports longevity and sustainable growth. As with most success stories, there tend to be casualties along the way. But I can assure everyone who reads this that Premier Reticles has been in continuous operation in this industry for 63 ½ years and as the third generation, I’d like to think that a company doesn’t last this long if they’re not doing something right. Don’t get me wrong, Jerry and Ian proved to be a very talented addition to our company during their short tenure, but our charter remains unchanged.

Second, part content:

I will begin by, not for a second responding to such a trivial discussion. Where ours or any other companies components are sourced, is considered confidential. But let’s put this into perspective...

Our Heritage scopes consist of more or less, 200 individual parts. Out of those 200 parts, more than ½ are things like orings, screws, pins, etc…So let’s say that those 100 or so parts are not sourced from a US manufacturer; does that make the product 50% American made?

When considering statutory regulations for military contracting (i.e. Buy American Act, Brady Act), 51% of the cost of the product must be of US origin. Now let’s discuss what constitutes a cost: is it just parts? NO, costs are things like R&D, direct labor, indirect labor, overhead, G&A, direct materials and other direct costs. For FTC purposes, “Made in the USA” claims must be validated with a much higher percentage content.

Suffice it to say that where our parts come from is “nun-ya”, because it really doesn’t mean shit to me and I don’t see how it should to anyone else. Let the product speak for itself.

Sincerely,

Chris Thomas, President
Premier Reticles
 
#95
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Through it all Chris has continued to do what he has done all along; produce the best tactical scope on the market.</div></div>


While I know from first hand experience my 3-15 was a great scope, but the best tactical scope on the market? You say that based on what? </div></div>
The only way I could say that: I blend personal experience with the reviews the scopes get on here, on Sniper's Hide. In fact, I put more stock on a review LL does than my own experience. I'm not out rolling around in the dirt and mud any longer, that's a young man's game and I'm no longer a young man. The only contender I haven't owned myself is the Vortex Razor. So, I feel comfortable in crowning the PH line of scopes the best Tactical scopes made. Just this evening I again compared my PH 5-25 to my S&B 5-25, and again the Premier Heritage gave me a better image. Additionally, the PH looks like an S&B on 'Roids. I've owned 6 USO scopes over the years and 5 Nightforce scopes. I lay behind a Leupold mounted on a 700 PSS many hours in my day. So, while I may not roll with the present-day snipers, I <span style="font-weight: bold">have</span> put in my time.
 
#96
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Through it all Chris has continued to do what he has done all along; produce the best tactical scope on the market.</div></div>


While I know from first hand experience my 3-15 was a great scope, but the best tactical scope on the market? You say that based on what? </div></div>
The only way I could say that: I blend personal experience with the reviews the scopes get on here, on Sniper's Hide. In fact, I put more stock on a review LL does than my own experience. I'm not out rolling around in the dirt and mud any longer, that's a young man's game and I'm no longer a young man. The only contender I haven't owned myself is the Vortex Razor. So, I feel comfortable in crowning the PH line of scopes the best Tactical scopes made. Just this evening I again compared my PH 5-25 to my S&B 5-25, and again the Premier Heritage gave me a better image. Additionally, the PH looks like an S&B on 'Roids. I've owned 6 USO scopes over the years and 5 Nightforce scopes. I lay behind a Leupold mounted on a 700 PSS many hours in my day. So, while I may not roll with the present-day snipers, I <span style="font-weight: bold">have</span> put in my time. </div></div>


So better glass means a better scope? I would beg to differ. I look for really good glass in a spotting scope. My scopes better track first, then have good glass. Repeatability is primary in my book. How many PH's have gone back for tracking issues?
 
#97
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gen2mildot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Suffice it to say that where our parts come from is “nun-ya”, because it really doesn’t mean shit to me and I don’t see how it should to anyone else. Let the product speak for itself.

Sincerely,

Chris Thomas, President
Premier Reticles
</div></div>

Good for you. Now get back to work on that moa reticle!
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#98
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> How many PH's have gone back for tracking issues? </div></div>
You seem hell-bent on slinging mud at PH's;<span style="font-style: italic"> how many</span> have gone back for tracking issues??
 
#99
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnumdood</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Through it all Chris has continued to do what he has done all along; produce the best tactical scope on the market.</div></div>


While I know from first hand experience my 3-15 was a great scope, but the best tactical scope on the market? You say that based on what? </div></div>
The only way I could say that: I blend personal experience with the reviews the scopes get on here, on Sniper's Hide. In fact, I put more stock on a review LL does than my own experience. I'm not out rolling around in the dirt and mud any longer, that's a young man's game and I'm no longer a young man. The only contender I haven't owned myself is the Vortex Razor. So, I feel comfortable in crowning the PH line of scopes the best Tactical scopes made. Just this evening I again compared my PH 5-25 to my S&B 5-25, and again the Premier Heritage gave me a better image. Additionally, the PH looks like an S&B on 'Roids. I've owned 6 USO scopes over the years and 5 Nightforce scopes. I lay behind a Leupold mounted on a 700 PSS many hours in my day. So, while I may not roll with the present-day snipers, I <span style="font-weight: bold">have</span> put in my time. </div></div>


So better glass means a better scope? I would beg to differ. I look for really good glass in a spotting scope. My scopes better track first, then have good glass. Repeatability is primary in my book. How many PH's have gone back for tracking issues? </div></div>


Answer the same question you placed on every other brand out there. I know of one S&B that has been back 3 times...same freaking scope. Guess what the turn around time was on that?

MINE went back for tracking issues...sent out on Monday...back on Friday of the same week. Guess what? She tracks solid. I turn those knobs like a SOB for a week before even track testing it.

Name a brand without problems?
 
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