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Practicing trigger control.

Darkside-Six

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    Aside from dry firing, what are some other good ways Some of you practice trigger control? I recently saw a video clip of Jacob from Rifles Only where he had a make shift rifle grip attached to a small board. There was a strait line drawn from the grip to the other edge and a rubber band attached to it. Basically you grab the grip and put the rubber band on your trigger finger and practice your trigger pull, making sure that the rubber band stays in line with the line drawn on the board.

    When I saw this, I thought it was a pretty kick ass Idea and I'm thinking about making something like that. Anyone else got any tips or practice ideas??
     
    Tape a laser pin on your muzzle, watch what happens as you dry fire.

    Off Hand: Dry fire/Practice off hand. If you can control the trigger during offhand (standing un-supported) the other positions will take care of them selves.

    Flinching is the culprit. No man can resist by exercise of willpower , the instinct to stiffen his muscles to meet a blow or shock, it is an instinctive impulse over which he has no more control then he has over the circulation of his blood. A good place to observe this is to visit one of those old road side bar/cafes where they have a rattle snake in a large glass jar. You pay your fee, then lay your hand on the glass and try and hold it there as the snake strikes. Knowing the snake cannot strike through the glass, you still react by pulling your hand away.

    I quote A.J. Macnab COL Infantry "Fundamentals of Military Rifle Shooting"

    5: The expert shot does not refrain from flinching by exercising his will power or by deciding he will not flinch, because this cannot be done. The expert shot avoids flinching by pressing the trigger with such a steady increase of pressure he does not know the exact instant the discharge will take place. In this way the instinctive impulse to stiffen the muscles at instant of discharge is avoided, an this is the only way it can be avoided.
     
    Here is a question, how does a "expert" not know when the trigger will break ?

    That seems impossible given the fact they break at the same place under the same amount of pressure each time. Also how do guys in the military learn command fire if you don't know when the shot breaks...

    Just because, "someone" and I use that term loosely in this case, put it in writing doesn't make it true or a valid training method.

    As an experienced shooter you absolutely know when the shot is gonna break and it is never a surprise, you give the "surprise" speech to someone new who has never shot before> Most "experts" will dry fire a new rifle first, (or someone else's rifle) so they understand the trigger break, and exactly how much pressure needs to be applied. How you avoid it, is practice, and focusing on the sights and target and not the trigger once you understand the break.

    That surprise mentality, leads to NDs...
     
    I see it as Frank. I do not anticipate recoil. I anticipate a good hit. With my mental concentration on proper execution of the two firing tasks I do not have room in my brain to think about recoil punishment. I am oblivious to it. I am not even aware of recoil except to the extent of maintaining aim until recoil subsides. A novice shooter will however be conscious of recoil until it is put aside for things necessary to good shooting which require attention while executing the firing tasks: focus on sight, smooth trigger control, and follow through.
     
    I see it as Frank. I do not anticipate recoil. I anticipate a good hit. With my mental concentration on proper execution of the two firing tasks I do not have room in my brain to think about recoil punishment. I am oblivious to it. I am not even aware of recoil except to the extent of maintaining aim until recoil subsides. A novice shooter will however be conscious of recoil until it is put aside for things necessary to good shooting which require attention while executing the firing tasks: focus on sight, smooth trigger control, and follow through.

    Totally with you. I don't anticipate recoil, but I find that occasionally I'm pulling a shot because I "hooked" the trigger instead of strait back. I just happened to see this video clip and thought it was a pretty nifty idea to make sure you're practicing perfectly.
     
    If you can see a rubber band deviating from a line, your pull is WAY off. I like the concept, but I think a spring loaded rod running through a fulcrum near the trigger finger and extending out to the end of the stock would magnify ANY sideways pull enough to see.

    Picture a trigger attached directly to the rear of a long rod, which has a slip fit in a free pivoting fulcrum attached to the stock a couple inches ahead of the trigger, and the other end of the rod extending forward from the fulcrum under the stock and bent up in front of the stock so that as you are in position you can see the tip of the rod move to either side (hopefully NOT) as you pull the trigger.
     
    If you can see a rubber band deviating from a line, your pull is WAY off. I like the concept, but I think a spring loaded rod running through a fulcrum near the trigger finger and extending out to the end of the stock would magnify ANY sideways pull enough to see.

    Picture a trigger attached directly to the rear of a long rod, which has a slip fit in a free pivoting fulcrum attached to the stock a couple inches ahead of the trigger, and the other end of the rod extending forward from the fulcrum under the stock and bent up in front of the stock so that as you are in position you can see the tip of the rod move to either side (hopefully NOT) as you pull the trigger.


    Sounds difficult to make. hahaha.

    I tried Kraigs Idea before heading to the range today. Taped a laser pen to the end of the muzzle and ran through some dry fires like I always do. Laser didn't move, but if it had then it would obviously be a good way to keep yourself in check.

    I don't consider myself a perfect shooter, but I am pretty proficient. That being said, I like to still run through various practice drills just to make sure i'm still running everything smooth. Perfect practice makes for perfect shots. :)
     
    Just because, "someone" and I use that term loosely in this case, put it in writing doesn't make it true or a valid training method.

    That "Someone", Col A.J. Macnab, was chosen by Gen Pershing to come of with a Marksmanship POI to increase the Marksmanship of the US Troops being sent to France during WWI.

    Prior to adapting Col Macnab's POI at the Infantry School
    Expert 5%
    Sharpshooter 10%
    Marksman 15%
    Remainder Non Quals

    After the POI at the Infantry School
    Expert 25%
    Sharpshooter 40%
    Marksman 30%
    5% Non Quals.

    Col Macmab's POI is now what we call the Small Arms Firing School taught by the AMU at the Nationals.

    The same procedure is taught by Gary Anderson today. Anderson's accomplishments speak for themselves having set records in the late 60s that no one has broken.

    Pressing the trigger until you get a surprised break does NOT cause ND, putting your finger on the trigger before you are ready to shoot does.
     
    It's wrong and old don't make it right... Again how the hell do you think command fire works...

    Stupid is as stupid does... I am sure we can pull a quote from a Civil War instructor, doesn't make it relevant today.

    And beg to differ, with a semi auto people who don't "Know" when the trigger breaks, routinely double tap the trigger, that second round is an ND... Last time I checked the Army uses a semi auto. Your ignorance on the subject and regurgitation of dated, useless material, is wrong, no matter how much you believe it true.
     
    Aside from dry firing, what are some other good ways Some of you practice trigger control? I recently saw a video clip of Jacob from Rifles Only where he had a make shift rifle grip attached to a small board. There was a strait line drawn from the grip to the other edge and a rubber band attached to it. Basically you grab the grip and put the rubber band on your trigger finger and practice your trigger pull, making sure that the rubber band stays in line with the line drawn on the board.

    When I saw this, I thought it was a pretty kick ass Idea and I'm thinking about making something like that. Anyone else got any tips or practice ideas??

    That GADGET is something Jacob knocked together to show what BAD trigger pull looks like. It is NOT a device for practicing trigger pull.

    You already have a device for practicing your trigger squeeze. It's called a trigger and one is fitted to your rifle, RIGHT NOW!!

    If you ASK Jacob how to practice the correct trigger technique, he will say precisely 2 words. "DRY FIRE"

    He estimates that he's done over a million dry fires on his AI.

    Oh, and he's never surprised when the rifle fires. It fires EXACTLY when he wants it to. Right Frank?

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    That GADGET is something Jacob knocked together to show what BAD trigger pull looks like. It is NOT a device for practicing trigger pull.

    You already have a device for practicing your trigger squeeze. It's called a trigger and one is fitted to your rifle, RIGHT NOW!!

    If you ASK Jacob how to practice the correct trigger technique, he will say precisely 2 words. "DRY FIRE"

    He estimates that he's done over a million dry fires on his AI.

    Oh, and he's never surprised when the rifle fires. It fires EXACTLY when he wants it to. Right Frank?

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    Excellent point, thank you! That was the word I was looking for. Like I said, When I practice, all I do is dry fire. When I saw that Ithought it was a niffty, easy, and cost effective way to see what trigger pull looks like and if you're doing it right or wrong.
     
    Instructing trigger break should be a surprise is done with beginners in order for them to concentrate on and learn other fundamentals during a shot sequence at first. Also I would suggest teaching trigger press with a 2 stage vs one stage has differences that need to be understood for new shooter. Any minor side motion or torque on a trigger causes POI shift...several thousandths on a trigger create ~1 inch shift at 100 yards, Jacob's rubber band thing was showing finger parallel and straight back press, great visual.
     
    There are many ways to describe trigger pull: squeeze, surprise break, command detonate, pull, yank, and jerk; but, the one word that best describes what it should be is SMOOTH.

    This is not my notion. It is a USAMU idea which I believe in. I think it is a better word to communicate pulling the trigger without moving the rifle. I think most folks I've trained simply get SMOOTH better than anything else to communicate what is needed for a good result. Also, SMOOTH can be fast or deliberate. It does not require a slow execution which is the downside of "surprise break".

    I don't know if SMOOTH is fleeting fashion. I do know that it works. Maybe a scholar of basic marksmanship will find a better word or teaching method; but, until someone who has some stats showing me another description for what trigger control should be is better, I'm using SMOOTH. I think folks get it.
     
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    Pressing the trigger to get a surprise break DOES NOT lead to neglect discharges. Its called trigger control and follow through.

    Even with gas guns (and yes I have been aware the Army uses them since I was handed my first M14 in Basic 47 years ago).

    When the trigger breaks we then have follow through, meaning (in part) we hang on the trigger until we recover from recoil then we let it reset for the next shot.

    Yes it's "old school" taught by old masters, but it hasn't changed no more then any other aspect of marksmanship fundamentals. We still have sight alignment, we still have trigger control (including the surprise break) and we still have follow through, as old as the concepts may be.
     
    Surprise has nothing to do with it period...

    If you don't understand new / very inexperienced vs expert in this context you can never begin to explain what is happening.

    A surprise goes against the word control. You cannot control a surprise, and when the Army went to the M110 double tapping the trigger was rampant. Not understanding trigger control, lack of follow through and trying to induce a surprise break were all causes. But you don't get that, because you think you can control a surprise.

    You twice now ignored the command fire reference, you ignore the purpose of the dry fire practice and you ignore repetition to train. Repetition and surprise cannot exist in the same sentence.

    They are wrong. I get it, you consider them heroes but they are still wrong.

    recite the definition for a fundamental of marksmanship that includes the word surprise...
     
    Again new shooters are given the suprise trigger break thing so as for them to learn other fundimentals, it also tends to stop or reduce finching, bucking and jurking. After a time with any particular rifle/trigger you better have learned the feel of where that trigger breaks, then it becomes a leason being smooth.

    Here are some old school positions, are you guys still using these today? I do beleive I saw sterling shooter using the Highland Fling on Viale at the 600 yard line two years ago, Kraig was keeping score? You guys were all blinged up with AMU covers, shirts and pins. Emil P. was shaking his head, muttering under his breath and walking away from you guys. Just bustin on you guys...

    the-crack-shots.jpg
     
    IMO, each type of shooting discipline requires a different approach to how the trigger is actuated. Also each gun has a different, weight, feel, length, break, etc to it's trigger which needs addressing trigger actuation differently depending on various factors.

    So one must adjust his method of trigger actuation by how steady the position is, the size of the target, the weight of the trigger and how much time is allowed to make the shot. Then there are the affects of wind on us and the projectile which means we might have a smaller window to make the shot and thus affecting how we use the trigger.

    For instance when shooting offhand on "smaller" targets where acute timing is involved. The time to pull the trigger is so short that the "surprise" method of trigger pull doesn't suit. Still, follow through and pressing the trigger strait back are important.

    Personally I've learned a lot about trigger control in the Field Target (FT) air rifle shooting discipline. The fact that the pellet is in the barrel longer than most guns (800-900 fps), makes "follow through on the shot" of paramount importance. Moreso with my USFT than any other gun I've owned. This USFT has a slow lock time and a long barrel. Plainly put I cannot fudge a shot with this rifle or it'll result in a miss! Fortunately the FT seated position I use is very steady, the trigger is light, the gun heavy and well balanced so I can achieve winning scores by using the surprise method. I use it exclusively except for offhand and/or it's really windy. BTW in FT we deal with the affects of wind similar to long range shooting and centerfire.

    The surprise method works well for me for prone off the bipod 99% of the time. Even in our local long range shoot that requires a 5 or 10 second follow up shot on each steel, this using a bolt action. Now if it were 2-3 seconds for that follow up shot the surprise method wouldn't fly.

    Then there's combat pistol! A juggling act of trigger press, recoil control and sight alignment. The fastest have learned to balance chaos.

    Something I've done to help with trigger pull consistency is to attempt to set the triggers on my airguns, rimfires and centerfires, even some pistols, to the same weight and feel. 18-19 ounces has turned out to be the perfect weight for me for a broad range of shooting. I can rest my finger on the trigger without worry of it tripping but with slight pressure the sear trips quickly.

    Dry fire has it's virtues I suppose, I do it before I shoot groups on occasion but if I'm practicing it's either with the gun I'll be using on match day or very likely with a airgun on steel not to far from my front door, both of which are much more fun and I feel more effective.
     
    Meaningless...

    Wrong is wrong, you can can't control a surprise... again you ignore simple direct questions.

    Quote, regurgitate, link, what ever you want to do, a definition for the fundamentals of marksmanship that includes the word, "surprise"...

    Also what other shooting discipline uses this surprise as an acceptable method especially at the highest levels ... 3 Gun, IDPA, where is Rob Leatham demonstrating the surprise method ? He has videos on Youtube link one... who gives two shits what someone says, I can careless what Gary Anderson teaches, especially if he includes the word surprise, he is wrong. He can be best shooter in the world, that doesn't mean he is promoting success in others.

    How does a shooter who has shot more than day get "Surprised" by the trigger ... especially an expert.

    Trigger Control by very definition goes against any form of surprise as you cannot control a surprise reaction. How do you get surprised, if you have practiced and spent hours shooting the same rifle over and over ?

    Trigger Control, a Smooth Press straight to rear without disturbing the lay of the sights, follow through, sight picture, nothing associated with any of these includes a surprise. I have seen very good shooters who have won a lot of stuff and yet they fail to follow through, I have documented guys who "tap" the trigger because they are set so light, they just bounce it, and still have beaten a lot of people.

    Guys used to teach to hold your breath, doesn't mean we haven't learned a thing about the negative results from holding your breath, still people teach and do it everyday.

    Bad information doesn't change and it's the reason people are so fucked up and confused about shooting, because of guys regurgitating the same bad information. Army Manuals still have Humidity wrong, doesn't mean I have to repeat it because, "it's in the book" ... I am smart enough to know it's wrong, so I correct it in my presentation of the Facts.
     
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    Nothing there has any quality that can be associated to proper and consistent trigger control.

    A. GENERAL.

    Correct trigger control must be employed in conjunction with all other fundamentals of shooting. The physical act of applying pressure on the trigger to deliver an accurate shot may vary from individual to individual. Proper trigger control for each individual gradually assumes uniformity when the techniques of proper application are mastered. Many shooters, for example, maintain a degree of trigger control with a relatively light grip, while another shooter may use a very tight grip. Some shooters prefer to apply consistent trigger pressure at a rapid rate, while maintaining correct sight alignment. For another shooter, a slower, deliberate application may achieve the same results. An ever increasing number of shooters use the positive approach to trigger control, that is, once it is initiated, it becomes an uninterrupted, constantly increasing pressure until the weapon fires.

    Trigger control is of very great importance in producing an accurate shot. When the shooter exerts pressure on the trigger, he must do so in a manner that does not alter the sight alignment, or position of the pistol. Consequently, the shooter must be able to exert smooth, even pressure to the trigger. Furthermore, the trigger must be pressed in conjunction with maximum concentration, peak visual perception of sight alignment and minimum arc of movement.

    In order to produce an accurate shot, the shooter must carry out many diverse, but related, actions. Fulfilling this action is compounded by the fact that the pistol is in some degree of motion throughout the period of sighting and aiming. The movement varies according to the stability of the shooter's stance. Consequently, the sight alignment deviates from the aiming area. Often it will move through the aiming area, pausing only for a short period of time in perfect alignment with the target. It is impossible to determine when, and for how long the properly aligned sights will stay in the center of the aiming area. This difficulty is aggravated further by the fact that the shooter is trying to execute coordinated actions when reflex action seeks to contradict them. Such a situation requires the development of conditioned reflexes, and improvement of coordination.

    The coordinated action of correct aiming, timely pressure on the trigger, and the correct delivery of the shot is difficult and can be accomplished only by overcoming former uncoordinated reflexes or by acquiring new ones. Only through constant training and attention to accepted techniques can these new reflexes be acquired. The peculiar nature and characteristics of the human nervous system are covered in detail in Annex III entitled, "Processes of the Human Nervous System Relevant to Equilibrium, Trigger Control and Hearing".
     
    (1) Dry-fire practice will enable the nervous system to rest from the recoil of the shot. By this practice some of the reflexes which are detrimental to firing (tensing of the arm In order to counteract the recoil, the straining of the muscles in anticipation of the shot, blinking from the noise of the shot), are not being developed. They will, In fact, begin to decrease and may completely disappear.

    (2) Secondly, the shooter may continue regular training, but occasionally he may practice "dry". This way, he will not lose the stability of this position, as well as the useful reflexes which the shooter has developed during the process of previous firings.

    {3) By aiming carefully and noting attentively everything that happens to the pistol when he presses on the trigger, the shooter will discover his errors and eliminate them. Training by means of ball and dummy and dry firing is of great benefit. It makes it possible to develop correctly and carefully the technique of pressing the trigger, and contributes to acquiring proper habits In controlling the trigger.

    {4) When beginning to use dry firing the shooter must first overcome the desire to "grab" for a shot when the centered front site is under the bull's eye. Despite the arc of movement the shooter must teach himself only to press smoothly on the trigger and to use the uninterrupted positive control method of trigger action. When the smooth control of the trigger again becomes habitual and he no longer has to devote special attention to it, he can again shoot live cartridges. After starting again to shoot live cartridges, the first training exercises should involve firing at a square of blank white paper, rather than at a target with a black aiming area. Simultaneously, the shooter must devote special attention to analyzing his performance, counteract the desire to jerk on the trigger, and be conscious of reacting incorrectly to the firing of a shot.

    2. Another error committed by a shooter when controlling the trigger is "holding too long", that is, the drawn out action of pressing the trigger.

    a. A consequence of holding too long is that the shooter does not have enough air to hold his breath, his eye becomes fatigued, and his visual acuity decreases. In addition, his stance loses part of its stability. Consequently, when he holds too long, the shooter presses on the trigger under unfavorable conditions.

    b. Holding too long is a consequence of excessively slow and cautious pressure on the trigger. This is caused by the shooter's fear of producing a bad shot. Such indecisiveness and over caution may be regarded as the opposite of jerking. Moreover, holding too long stems from the lack of coordination of movement which frequently occurs during those stages of training when the process of inhibition outweighs the process of stimulation. Simply stated, the shooter cannot force himself to exert positive pressure on the trigger at the proper time. One favorable moment after another goes past, and soon the chances for an accurate shot are gone. Naturally, the trigger control phase has been extended far beyond its effective duration. This situation frequently occurs after a period of dry-fire training exercises. The shooter loses the sense of the trigger's true weight when he fires for extended periods of time with a round in the chamber. When the trigger is released in a dry shot, the trigger seems to be rather light, but when the shooter switches to live rounds, the trigger weight seems to be considerably greater. He feels he must exert greater effort to overcome this seemingly greater weight. Frequently, the shooter will blame his troubles on faulty adjustment of the trigger mechanism. Nothing is gained from such assumptions. More times than not, the shooter returns to normal trigger control since the root of the evil is lack of coordinated control and not trigger adjustment.

    e. The restoration of coordination of movement, and the return to the correct balance between stimulation and inhibition is brought about primarily through systematic practice, match training and dry-fire exercises. It is precisely this method of training which develops the necessary coordination of the shooter's actions. When the shooter's movements become automatic, the trigger finger will operate in an unstrained manner, and the shot will break at the proper moment. It is important that each training session begin with a few dry-fire exercises. It has been demonstrated that such exercises are necessary for the development of accurate shooting. Such exercises may also be repeated after record shooting to restore equilibrium in the nervous processes.

    d. Frequently, a shooter, when firing for record, is unable to fire a shot. After several unsuccessful tries, a loss of confidence will arise. Rather than risk a wild shot the shooter should unload the pistol, time permitting, and dry-fire a few shots. After restoring coordination of movement, and regaining his confidence, the shooter is far better prepared, both physically and mentally, for the delivery of an accurate shot. Firing the shot during the first few seconds after settling into a good hold, will guarantee confidence.

    3. We have considered the fundamental errors that arise in trigger control. Let us now consider a problem that is also closely related to trigger control - trigger adjustment.

    You cannot apply coordinated control if you being "surprised" that is a physical, and mental impossibility.
     
    ^^^ Thank you!

    Stop talking about what is taught to 'new shooters'. The OP isn't and neither is anyone commenting here. Seriously, it is your stick - you've live and dry fired it over 100k times, and someone is going to refer to dogma from a 1930 training manual that says somehow if you sneak up on it your mind will negate those other 100k repetitions? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm pretty confident that if I grabbed the jar for the snake strike - first time, sure I probably would visibly flinch. Second time - probably not. Third - my face is probably up against the glass. It is the same for recoil, which why we all spend so much time thinking about building a solid position. The goal being able to (hopefully) ride the rifle through recoil, and not only call the shot - but confirm impact in real time through the optic. Set that 1930s manual under glass and think of it for what it is - history.

    Like SS says - he anticipates a good hit, to put it another way for most here - the surprise is if that round doesn't basically strike where we think it should. Again, no one is talking about a new shooter, as such - there ain't a lot of surprises left out there...

    OP - the IOTA or a mirror is really the only way to do it without freaking out your neighbors. That said, the stadia width can mask slight imperfections (a standard Gen2 vs a P4F) the P4F may show a tiny wiggle at the break whereas the thickness of Gen2 will stay motionless. Also I find gas guns harder. So most of my practice with Chuck's device is with a gas gun.

    Lastly back to what SS was saying about smooth - it is true. It may not be the word that grabs your brain but the simple version is - regardless of the nature of the pull (sneaking up on it vs as fast as you can) it all has to flow seamlessly. Some of that IOTA practice should be looking at the effects of a variety of trigger pulls and trying to smooth out each type such that the end result is the same - no deviation of the stadia from the break to the conclusion of follow through.

    ETA - Surprise - Precision is the consistent application of best practices. Surprise means variable. Surprise is therefore the antithesis of consistency and therefore precision itself.

    Kraig, I have a very hard time believing that you personally are 'surprised' by so much as one microsecond when your trigger break occurs 99.99% of the time.
     
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    OP - the IOTA or a mirror is really the only way to do it without freaking out your neighbors. That said, the stadia width can mask slight imperfections (a standard Gen2 vs a P4F - the P4F may show a tiny wiggle at the break whereas the thickness of Gen2 will stay motionless. Also I find gas guns harder. So most of my practice with Chuck's device is with a gas gun.

    can you elaborate on the mirror??

    Thank you.
     
    If your optic allows for it (most don't) you can use a mirror for your practice time. The basics of a mirror or IOTA are the same - you are picking an aim point that is right about the same size as your stadia. In the mirror (if you can make the view crispy enough) it can be your actual stadia, or if you tilt it - a portion of a single carpet fiber or a small spec of something. Regardless, did the stadia move at the moment the trigger broke through the conclusion of follow through? When I say move, it could be a actual 'jump' off of the POA and settle a 1/2 MIL away, or it could be that it merely wiggled on the POA and then settled back on to the POA at the conclusion of follow through.

    An actual jump - the fix is either going to be a position issue, a straightness of pull issue, or a combo of both. The wiggle can f*ck with you, b/c it is so subtle. Although for me it is usually a slight deviation on the trigger. Again I only really see wiggle with the P4F (and a mirror, and using the stadia on stadia view); and as I said I tend to practice most with the gas gun b/c it is much harder to be perfect with. IMHO if you are consistent with a gas gun, a bolt gun is kind of a no brainer.

    When you work with a mirror or IOTA - go back and read / think about what SterlingShooter is saying. Break it down in terms that make sense to you. There is something to it.
     
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    (1) Dry-fire practice will enable the nervous system to rest from the recoil of the shot. By this practice some of the reflexes which are detrimental to firing (tensing of the arm In order to counteract the recoil, the straining of the muscles in anticipation of the shot, blinking from the noise of the shot), are not being developed. They will, In fact, begin to decrease and may completely disappear.

    I don't know if that is a quote or Frank's original work, but it has been proven true by those who have studied this topic whether it be related to shooting a gun, hitting a baseball or even hitting the apex in a race car. NASCAR driver's practice on the upcoming track by playing video games or using simulators, the top hitters in baseball hit on swing doctors and with wiffle balls. There are two aspects, mental conditioning and myelination, which are somewhat interconnected. One top shooter told me he rather a new shooter do 5,000 correct dry fires than 50 rounds of live ammo. Most top shooters will tell you that they have equal or more, up to twice, the number of dry fires as live fires in their lifetime. Many, when they detect they are starting to flinch, or have lost some segment of the fundamentals, break out the .22 or double their dryfire to get the brain back to neutral.

    The problem is that myelination is reduced significantly past 40 years of age and "re-myelination" is extremely difficult, especially if a poor technique has been practiced. What I have consistently found is that the young "phenoms" in any sport/discipline got started young, with PROPER fundamentals through coaching and those then become a PART of who they are. Even athleticism is being challenged as not part of your DNA, but part of your early development.
     
    Pressing the trigger to get a surprise break DOES NOT lead to neglect discharges. Its called trigger control and follow through.

    Even with gas guns (and yes I have been aware the Army uses them since I was handed my first M14 in Basic 47 years ago).

    When the trigger breaks we then have follow through, meaning (in part) we hang on the trigger until we recover from recoil then we let it reset for the next shot.

    Yes it's "old school" taught by old masters, but it hasn't changed no more then any other aspect of marksmanship fundamentals. We still have sight alignment, we still have trigger control (including the surprise break) and we still have follow through, as old as the concepts may be.

    I'm going to agree with everybody, but I'm quoting Kraig, since he has been civil. Yes: -you pull straight back steadily until trigger break.
    -you keep pulling back steadily until the sights settle back on the target (if it is still there).
    -you focus thought on making the good sight picture, not focused on trigger break/recoil.
    -you subconsciously "know" but are not thinking about the moment when the trigger will break.
    -you can fire "on command", but only if you practice "count-down" timing; to wit, practice with sights on target, and count "3-2-1-fire" to yourself, knowing that you will fire on "fire". That's only for practice, to make you practice follow-through even when doing commanded firing.
    -you execute the shot when you first see what you want in the sight picture, to paraphrase Gary Anderson. Don't "park" on a good sight picture. Practice this a lot!
    -you can use the coin on the sight/barrel in prone dry-fire practice.
    -you cannot pull the trigger well if your NPA is bad.
    We worry most about offhand, but the most critical shots are prone or sitting; I'm referring here to hunting and high-power. I'm not good at any of this, but the points I agree on are acquired from other [great] marksmen.
    Jim
     
    Recoil...

    Lots of talk about recoil. If you consider it a bit, recoil is the firearm's job and sole responsibility, not the shooter's.

    The issues involved increase as the shooter thinks it's more his responsibility.

    The role of the firearm is to go bang and then recoil as a result. The shooter is uninvolved. His role is to safely bring the firearm on target then delegate to the firearm it's rightful role. Interference with the process is the issue. Teaching shooters how not to interfere should start with pointing the concept of who is responsible for what and how.

    It's 90% mental.
     
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    I tend to agree in that all my long range and benchrest shooting, I am NOT surprised when the trigger breaks. I always have a very close idea when it breaks right down to the frogs-hair of pressure it takes to let it go.

    I'm going to say that one way or the other to REALLY improve trigger pull is to find a way to evaluate how you did each dry fire. Dry firing 100 times with no feed back doesn't do any good. While feedback in the form of you watching the target is good, it is not the best method. Depending on how much you want to spend there are systems that tell you exactly how far off you push the trigger each time.

    That said, previously in this post I suggested putting a penny on the barrel. Not a quarter, not a nickel, but a penny, if not use a dime. Reason being is when the firing pin hits forward it sends a tiny vibration down the barrel. This actually picks up the lighter penny and dime just a hair off the barrel. When the coin settles back on the barrel it has to be centered or it WILL fall off. The quarter and nickel are too heavy and will not respond to the light vibration given by the firing pin hitting forward.
    You can spend a lot more money on systems that tell you exactly how far off you pushed each trigger pull, but the result is about the same. You need some kind of sensing device to see how much you move with each pull.
    A caveat here is Jacob is incredible when it comes to a smooth, non-varying trigger pull. A newcomer, and even long time shooter who may have lost that little edge "pay attention" to it, can benefit by something that will give feedback to his smoothness and direction of pull.
     
    Recoil...

    Lots of talk about recoil. If you consider it a bit, recoil is the firearm's job and sole responsibility, not the shooter's.

    The issues involved increase as the shooter thinks it's more his responsibility.

    The role of the firearm is to go bang and then recoil as a result. The shooter is uninvolved. His role is to safely bring the firearm on target then delegate to the firearm it's rightful role. Interference with the process is the issue. Teaching shooters how not to interfere should start with pointing the concept of who is responsible for what and how.

    It's 90% mental.

    Not coming from the marine Corps school of thought, where you may have picked that up, I could agree that it's the rifles job to recoil. It is the shooters job to contain that recoil so that the rifle can do the rest of it's job.

    Meaning: get straight behind the rifle (I didn't used to preach this, now I do), centered vertically and absorb the recoil directly rearward. Amazing how when the rifle is handled that way, the groups tighten. When that aspect is handled the shooter can then focus better on a good trigger squeeze.
     
    Recoil management and follow though are essential; to say do not interfere with recoil does not make sense. Recoil, given any angle to exploit will take it; this causes problems with other position fundamentals. A shooter needs to control or manage recoil, if you want to say that means interfere with it…I guess? Different positions require different management, we tend to talk about front support positions here put a sling on and things change.
     
    Not coming from the marine Corps school of thought, where you may have picked that up, I could agree that it's the rifles job to recoil. It is the shooters job to contain that recoil so that the rifle can do the rest of it's job.

    Meaning: get straight behind the rifle (I didn't used to preach this, now I do), centered vertically and absorb the recoil directly rearward. Amazing how when the rifle is handled that way, the groups tighten. When that aspect is handled the shooter can then focus better on a good trigger squeeze.


    Yep, as was as mentioned, knowing who owns what role and responsibility, the rifle does not contain the recoil, the shooter does. Flinching is not a shooter responsibility (merely adds noise to the process and gives poor results) and so on....
     
    Recoil management and follow though are essential; to say do not interfere with recoil does not make sense. Recoil, given any angle to exploit will take it; this causes problems with other position fundamentals. A shooter needs to control or manage recoil, if you want to say that means interfere with it…I guess? Different positions require different management, we tend to talk about front support positions here put a sling on and things change.


    Interfering with recoil, like flinching does cause problems and adds zero value. Roles and responsibilities. The shooter needs to understand this. Position fundamentals etc is the point.
     
    I'm new here.
    Please excuse the low post count.

    I read hundreds of posts daily, rarely do I ask questions unless I can't figure something out or find it through searching.

    I completely agree with the idea of dry firing practice to gain trigger control and improve accuracy.

    There is no substitute for "reps." I learned this as a young athlete and adhere to that type of training for any sport I apply myself to.

    While this is great for bolt guns, how does dry fire training apply to semi-auto firearms?

    What do I do with all the (EXTRA) movements it takes to reset the trigger?

    While dry firing on the AR Platform, I would need to pull back the charging handle. With my Sig P226, I either need to physically reset the hammer or let the trigger reset and operate it via a heavier trigger pull. Both require actions that are not what I would call "a natural movement." Breaking the cheek weld each time to reset the trigger or the extra weight of pull on the trigger of the pistol seem counter productive to the dry fire practice routine.

    Please tell me what I'm missing.

    I have packages of .308, .556 and .40 caliber snap caps waiting for me to wear out.
     
    While this is great for bolt guns, how does dry fire training apply to semi-auto firearms?

    What do I do with all the (EXTRA) movements it takes to reset the trigger?

    While dry firing on the AR Platform, I would need to pull back the charging handle. With my Sig P226, I either need to physically reset the hammer or let the trigger reset and operate it via a heavier trigger pull. Both require actions that are not what I would call "a natural movement." Breaking the cheek weld each time to reset the trigger or the extra weight of pull on the trigger of the pistol seem counter productive to the dry fire practice routine.

    Please tell me what I'm missing.

    Fast - great questions. Now the following is IMHO and what I do, so with a grain of salt...

    You are 100% that resetting the trigger on your HG and your AR break the position / cheekweld. That said it doesn't take you out of the mode of 'practice'. So on that note when you're working with your handgun or your AR (5.56 - assuming it isn't some 24"HB rat shooter with a 20x optic) add additional components to the practice routine. I play a game I call 3 Hat - the name means quite simply I place 3 hats around the room - those are my POAs. Then it is MSU (make shit up) - example: rack slide and confirm HG is empty and reset the trigger, insert empty mag, re-holster weapon; weak side - full mag with top 3 rounds primer less / snap caps (impossible to have an ND, right?). Something simple - draw and fire (you only have one actual trigger pull,but you will still release the trigger and pull the trigger for each successive shot) one round per hat, mag change, reverse order firing schedule. (But literally - make up any kind of drill - the simple point is to work on your chops: your draw, your sight picture, calling your shot, your reload, retention?, SUL? point shooting? strong hand / weak hand? transitions from primary to secondary? whatever). Carbine practice - same / same. That time period where you're sorting out mags and reseting triggers - mentally review the sight pic at the moment you broke the trigger - did you see the FS on the whole hat or on a portion of the logo?, were you releasing the trigger enough to reset YOUR platform or too much? Were you practicing to pull the trigger or slap the trigger? What can you do to make the drill harder / different? You more efficient?

    Large frame AR / M14 - yes, you're going to break your cheekweld every time. That is OK. The important thing is what are you thinking at that moment? I am recalling a mental image of my last called shot, then I am comparing that to my mental image of my perfect shot; I am recalling how that trigger pull felt, does it need improvement? If I held on the wall last time maybe this time I am going to try just rolling through the first stage and the wall on the second stage all in one motion and then compare notes on the shot. Mix it up (I dry fire slung up more than anything), prone, odd position, off hand, kneeling, sitting. Point being - sure you're coming off the gun to stroke the CH, but that isn't important. What is important is that your head is 'in it' for the entire period that you set aside to practice.

    Really good dry fire practice - be it the perfect shot in a PR setting or working on your chops - just 5 minutes a day, every day - for 1 year = grooved. After that year, it also just sort of becomes part of your life.
     
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    You have what appears to be a real nice practice schedule; and, I'm assuming, the 5 minute a day, every day effort is getting you the desired results. My nemesis is the standing position. My practice schedule is fifty minutes a day alternating live and dry fire, plotting live shots. After the dust settles and the smoke clears I correlate the calls and strikes to get a better feel for my correct zero. This exercise has a name and even a special score book page. It is called a Blind Standing Exercise. I learned it from Lance Dement. The USAMU has a Pro Tip on the web about it.
     
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    Sterling - that shiny medal you have….that doesn't come from 5 minutes a day...

    That and, I always throw out the 5 minute thing to encourage people that a consistent more frequent effort of a shorter duration is more powerful than sporadic efforts with more time in.
     
    Dry firing for the sake of dry firing is a total waste of time. You should dry fire like you would actually fire what ever match you're practicing for.

    Lets take the standing stage of the HP match. You need to gear up as if you were actually firing the match. And use a stop watch using the time you fell comfortable with and actually use in a match. Example: If you shoot the 10 rounds in 8 minutes your dry firing should be 10 snaps in 8 minutes. If you rest the butt of the rifle on the stool between shots, rest the butt of the rifle on the stood between snaps. The position should be the proper position called for in the standing phase. AND JUST AS CRITICAL, use a score/data book and record your calls.

    Don't know where the 5 min time come from, Unless you're shooting a match with a 5 min time limit.

    Shooting like anything else requires practice. PROPER Dry firing is excellent practice. If you set aside 1 hour per day then split that hour in 6 ten minute sessions taking a break between sessions.

    Before everyone jumps on me about the 10 min deal, I'm talking about the 50 SHOT EIC match. If you're practicing for an 80 shot NMC, then the sessions should be 22 min max (2 sighters and 20 for record). Again following your normal cadence, if you shoot the 22 shots in 15 minutes, then use the stop watch to keep your sessions to 15 minutes.

    You dry fire like you shoot a match. With the gear you use in the match, and PLOTTING the calls. The only difference is leaving out the live fire. The dry firing can be done inside (outside is better) with smaller targets which represents the actual targets over your front sight post or inside your scope.
     
    I will never understand why people try to draw parallels where none exist.

    Hipower competition does not closely resemble, by any viewpoint, the type of technique required to effectively drive a rifle with front/rear support. Every time I see someone trying to lay behind their rifle with bipod support, using the "toy army man" firing position, I want to kick them right in the balls.
     
    Fast - great questions. Now the following is IMHO and what I do, so with a grain of salt...

    M_H,

    Thank you for your time and the details of your practice drills.

    I believe I can take what you explained and put it to good use, without the worry of introducing a misguided "hitch" or hesitation. Repeating thousands of "reps" reaching for the CH or resetting the trigger on the P226... just seemed wrong.

    Breaking it down as you did put new light on my approach.

    Much appreciated.
     
    I will never understand why people try to draw parallels where none exist.

    Hipower competition does not closely resemble, by any viewpoint, the type of technique required to effectively drive a rifle with front/rear support. Every time I see someone trying to lay behind their rifle with bipod support, using the "toy army man" firing position, I want to kick them right in the balls.

    Trigger control is not peculiar to what we are shooting with or from. BTW, go to YouTube: USAMU Angle Shooting. How would you describe the shooter's position? Would you want to kick him? Would you even want to show him how to do it?
     
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    Sterling - that shiny medal you have….that doesn't come from 5 minutes a day...

    That and, I always throw out the 5 minute thing to encourage people that a consistent more frequent effort of a shorter duration is more powerful than sporadic efforts with more time in.

    Mike,

    I like your approach and the thoughts about breaking contact with the rifle. It boils down to two things for me while practicing. When I break from the rifle to rack the CH, it gives me a chance to go back and 're-align' with the rifle. If I were shooting a group or score I would not break off. But, looking at coming back into the rifle each time while practicing is good practice/thought process.

    Steady each and every day is better than doing a bunch then letting yourself get even the slightest bit rusty. Pistol draw is what makes me think "Slow is smooth-smooth is fast." Keep doing it right every time and it just gets faster and better each time you do it.

    Fast, as Mike said, if you are thinking about what you are doing and doing it right then it's right. Yes, you have to break. But, think of that as a separate practice pertaining to the same thing.
     
    Dry firing for the sake of dry firing is a total waste of time. You should dry fire like you would actually fire what ever match you're practicing for.

    Lets take the standing stage of the HP match. You need to gear up as if you were actually firing the match. And use a stop watch using the time you fell comfortable with and actually use in a match. Example: If you shoot the 10 rounds in 8 minutes your dry firing should be 10 snaps in 8 minutes. If you rest the butt of the rifle on the stool between shots, rest the butt of the rifle on the stood between snaps. The position should be the proper position called for in the standing phase. AND JUST AS CRITICAL, use a score/data book and record your calls.

    Don't know where the 5 min time come from, Unless you're shooting a match with a 5 min time limit.

    Shooting like anything else requires practice. PROPER Dry firing is excellent practice. If you set aside 1 hour per day then split that hour in 6 ten minute sessions taking a break between sessions.

    Before everyone jumps on me about the 10 min deal, I'm talking about the 50 SHOT EIC match. If you're practicing for an 80 shot NMC, then the sessions should be 22 min max (2 sighters and 20 for record). Again following your normal cadence, if you shoot the 22 shots in 15 minutes, then use the stop watch to keep your sessions to 15 minutes.

    You dry fire like you shoot a match. With the gear you use in the match, and PLOTTING the calls. The only difference is leaving out the live fire. The dry firing can be done inside (outside is better) with smaller targets which represents the actual targets over your front sight post or inside your scope.

    Kraig,

    I think what we're talking about is remaining proficient throughout the year. If you get the chance to practice specifically before matches you should practice as they are run, i.e. breaking off the rifle before attempting another dry fire, if that is how it is going to go. I do not feel you have to wait the same amount of time as you would in a match if it's a ten shot in 8 min. string. You can continue dry firing as long as you aren't unduly stressing yourself by doing so.

    I want to reinforce what you say about dry firing correctly. I've watched people call it good by laying the rifle across their lap as they dry fire, so as to 'feel the trigger'. I feel you must be in position to dry fire to get the correct feel of the trigger. Whatever position that may be.
     
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