Trump Restores Rank to SEAL, Grants Clemency for Soldiers in War Zone Crimes Cases
"As the President has stated, 'when our soldiers have to fight for our country, I want to give them the confidence to fight.'"
President Trump issued 3 pardons today
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Let Schiff have the State dept......
Looks like Trump wants .mil on his side.
Looks like Trump wants .mil on his side.
This is great news, and hopefully sends the signal to ambitious but leftist officers that their anti-American prosecutions of true Patriots will not be tolerated.
"Eddie Galagher wasn't one of those seals you would expect to come out and write a book," Parlatore said.
Lol bet he's gonna write a book now.
Lol bet he's gonna write a book now.
Way to go Pres.! This is the kind of CIC I would love to serve under. Mac
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And yet, even in that article, which I mostly liked, they allow the insert of this SJW’s comment at the end
That pisses me off...
That pisses me off...
Why would they include the opinion of someone from a cut rate law school that churns out dog bite lawyers? Fuck that commie bitch.
The pardon of Stone would drve the left to have an aneurism.
Perfect.
Perfect.
Yay. He fucking pardoned war criminals. Our enemies don’t even have to fucking hire propaganda specialists anymore. Yay.
Just an FYI... Fuck anyone who supports this move.
#NotTrollingAndDeadSeriousSoFuckAnyoneWhoCantSeeHowThisIsTheBestCaseForThoseThatWantToDoUsHarm
Just an FYI... Fuck anyone who supports this move.
#NotTrollingAndDeadSeriousSoFuckAnyoneWhoCantSeeHowThisIsTheBestCaseForThoseThatWantToDoUsHarm
Thank you, I thought I was taking crazy pills here being the only one who was uncomfortable with this.
Right!!???!!??
Fucking people supporting shit that has consequences they don’t have the first fucking clue about.
I hope POTUS finds about one person a week that pisses off Democrats and other liberals and pardons them.
Lol so this is it? That's where we are at now? Wanting to pardon criminals not based on merit that the individual pardon has but just on how much it annoys liberals?
He committed a process crime based on an investigation of a fake crime.
A crime the investigator knew to be fake.
I'v looked at some of those cases, Mr. Galagher didn't do anything wrong at all. The Lorance guy ordered his men to fire on a motorcycle that had a bombmaker on it after it wouldn't stop coming at them when they told them to stop.
You have a different opinion about this and in the purest evaluation your opinion of it is perhaps the correct one.
But from what I read on this.
The Lt wasn't taking any chances on getting his patrol fucked up by a mobile IED. Terrorists only have to win once. He is expected to be right 100% of the time. That never happens in war. He gets pardoned for fog of war.
Major sees a known bomber walking free and no one wants to do anything about it. Would only be that way under Obam admin. Fuck it he killed a known terrorist. Take him out of zone and end his career, don't jail him.
Gallagher had been over used perhaps or guilty of being too tough amongst a group of contract SEAL millenials that thought it was only about sunglasses and volleyball.
If you are playing war to win there are few rules and many horrible acts from both sides.
These guys looked into the abyss only because we put them there.
If they are guilty so are we.
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In the Lorance case, nine members of his platoon testified AGAINST him. He was prosecuted by military prosecutors, convicted by military jurors, judged and sentenced by a military judge. His case was reviewed and approved by the Major General of the 82nd Airborne. His sentence was affiirmed by a military appeals court. Senior Army officials told the President NOT to pardon him. The Pentagon position was NOT to pardon him. The Secretary of Defense told him NOT to pardon him. To this day, the members of his unit say he deserves the sentence he got. They say he is a war criminal.
So the military position was completely ignored by the president. The military process was ignored and overridden by the president. No liberal was in this equation whatsoever, so the only "losers" in this case are in the military.
So the military position was completely ignored by the president. The military process was ignored and overridden by the president. No liberal was in this equation whatsoever, so the only "losers" in this case are in the military.
What was the deal?
Three guys riding motor bikes told to back away from platoon.
They keep coming.
Lt lights them up.
Were they known as being harmless?
I haven't read the egregious criminal aspect.
I'm watching a kangaroo court in real time on TV daily, held by some of the highest officers in the land (literally).
Why do I believe anything the govt has done over the past 20 years?
This Army Times article seems to indicate the three "motorcyclists" were not shadowing the patrol to find out if Army Jerry could ride with them now that he no longer spends time on the Hide......
www.armytimes.com
Sounds like the new Lt needed to have a Sgt Plumely by his side to steady his nerve.
What's next do we send boot Lts to Leavenworth when they misread a map?
Army officer convicted of murder in Afghanistan to get another look by civilian court
The review comes after former 1st Lt. Clint Lorance had an appeal rejected by military judges two years ago.
www.armytimes.com
Sounds like the new Lt needed to have a Sgt Plumely by his side to steady his nerve.
What's next do we send boot Lts to Leavenworth when they misread a map?
Why do we still have troops in that shit hole?
MIC and congressmen getting rich. Filthy rich!!
Why don't we start charging the fucktards that came up with the bullshit rules of engagement that caused the loss of troops?
Better yet. Let's put their sorry, pencil pushing, bagel eating, fat asses on a mission with the troops that have to do the job with their hands tied.
MIC and congressmen getting rich. Filthy rich!!
Why don't we start charging the fucktards that came up with the bullshit rules of engagement that caused the loss of troops?
Better yet. Let's put their sorry, pencil pushing, bagel eating, fat asses on a mission with the troops that have to do the job with their hands tied.
Bravo!
Never has a more reasonable reason to go to war been turned into something so cruel and unusual for combatants/ victims on both sides in order to provide benefit for a corrupt few.
The ROE are like that to drag the war out longer. Gotta keep the money flowing.
The way you destroy a police force or an army... is to make it unappealing to the best and the brightest.
You do this by making it impossible to do their jobs. And by prosecuting those who try to. By smothering them with rules of engagement. By destroying their traditions. By lowering standards or changing them admit undesireable or inappropriate people and put them in jobs they are not suited for. By making their leadership political, not skills/merit driven. By substituting 'field-skills' training for political indoctrination (let's try eliminating Control and Restraint training... and substitute 8 hours of training of "Dealing with Same Sex Domestic Violence... or eliminating range to talk about "Single Gender Bathrooms." It's happening.
Then have your sheep protest them, call them baby killers, make them ashamed of their uniforms. Harass them at home. Spit on them in airports and call them 'baby killer.' Pour water on them. Assault people in front of them while telling them to stand down... and while having your Baa-Baa types yell at them. Have the media denigrate them at every turn (you know.... your tame media!) Prosecute soldiers and let terrorists go... destroy police for justified use of force... but never, ever prosecute a single gangbanger for shooting a 6 year old girl on Halloween... You know... that stuff.
Where do the best and brightest go? Not there!
Once you have a hollow shell, you can fill it with the weak, the stupid, the easily led, and your own army of, say, brownshirts or ready-to-go Komsomol-types and your politically-reliable thugs. Who could give a crap about the Constitution or the law or your oath... you just do what you are told for political reasons... never questioning a thing.
Why would anyone want to do that??? What would be the point of doing that to our military and police? What would you be trying to transform????
Humm.... Bueller? Bueller?
Sirhr
You do this by making it impossible to do their jobs. And by prosecuting those who try to. By smothering them with rules of engagement. By destroying their traditions. By lowering standards or changing them admit undesireable or inappropriate people and put them in jobs they are not suited for. By making their leadership political, not skills/merit driven. By substituting 'field-skills' training for political indoctrination (let's try eliminating Control and Restraint training... and substitute 8 hours of training of "Dealing with Same Sex Domestic Violence... or eliminating range to talk about "Single Gender Bathrooms." It's happening.
Then have your sheep protest them, call them baby killers, make them ashamed of their uniforms. Harass them at home. Spit on them in airports and call them 'baby killer.' Pour water on them. Assault people in front of them while telling them to stand down... and while having your Baa-Baa types yell at them. Have the media denigrate them at every turn (you know.... your tame media!) Prosecute soldiers and let terrorists go... destroy police for justified use of force... but never, ever prosecute a single gangbanger for shooting a 6 year old girl on Halloween... You know... that stuff.
Where do the best and brightest go? Not there!
Once you have a hollow shell, you can fill it with the weak, the stupid, the easily led, and your own army of, say, brownshirts or ready-to-go Komsomol-types and your politically-reliable thugs. Who could give a crap about the Constitution or the law or your oath... you just do what you are told for political reasons... never questioning a thing.
Why would anyone want to do that??? What would be the point of doing that to our military and police? What would you be trying to transform????
Humm.... Bueller? Bueller?
Sirhr
Right. War SHOULD be anything goes. The enemy is trying to fucking kill you. Kill them first, by any means necessary.
Here is how 'fair' war should be!
Sirhr
Sirhr
Yes.
We dont intentionally target non combatants and we do our best to protect the noncombatants as well limit wanton damage.
but.......
if you bring us to the decision to bring war upon you realize that in order to limit the amount of suffering for all the most horrible extreme force will be brought to bear in order to bring you to submission.
Shit Happens.........if you dont want to find that out.......dont bring the shit upon yourself.
That rule applies both ways.
I dont rule out the possibility that we may someday be on the receiving end of a beating.
Should that happen do you think we will be worried about how we play by the rules against the invader?
Total war sucks. But the faster it's over, the better. And an 'unquestionable defeat' ensures no rising from the ashes.
Though I have heard that the South will rise again... personally, I think it already has. Guess where all the jobs and the economy is, and where all the good 'Americans' are... while the 'Northern' states are mostly commies and coffee-shop Lumbersexuals who couldn't pick a dandilion out of a sidewalk.
Oh how the worm has turned...
Sirhr
You start a fight with the toughest kid on the block, you should expect to get your ass kicked. They are risking our peoples lives so politicians can virtue signal about our ethics in war. Guess what, our enemies hate us.
It all boils down to one thing, "WAR F'n Sucks", decisions need to be made, people die. How many of you couch warriors could go to that shit hole and and be 100% correct every time you pulled the trigger?? One towel head looks like the other to me. F'd up place to be able to identify your enemies, 100% of the time. Mac
I wont be worried about any rules. The flame throwers will be coming out along with the hollowpoints.
These fucks on the motorcycles were up to no good, and got called out on it. Good shoot. You dont gamble with your life. Any one of us would have done the exact same thing if we were in his boots. And the dumb fucks above that think the Lt was in the wrong, they would be 6 feet under. Guaranteed.
You only fuck up once and youre dead. But that is what the liberals want. So much rules and regulations that our military is intimidated and cannot protect their own lives, let alone ours.
Nope. All those guys are moving South because of the weather and brining their money with them to buy the politicians.
If you’re commenting on this thread and you don’t have a CIB you need to shut the fuck up......
I dont have a CIB. Should I take my support for the military being able to defend their own lives and shut the fuck up? Why dont you take your chest thumping attitude and get fucking lost. And take your CIB with you.
Guess I worded that wrong........ if your judging these three guys and haven’t been in country......shut the fuck up
Dudes with no experience always commenting about things they don’t rate to open their sucks about. There are rules in war for a reason and we follow those rules for a reason. When we stop abiding by the rules, we become no better than the ones we are fighting. Blind nationalism is a dangerous thing.
Rules of war , you mean the instructions for playing battleship? You can't win a war following a set of rules that your enemy doesn't acknowledge. To many of our Service Members are killed or have battle wounds that alter their lives for following rules of engagement written by some liberal political who never step foot in a forward area.
Well, am I glad you two cleared that up for me. I was hoping that someone else could tell me what to think and when I can talk. I wasn’t muzzled enough by MSM and MS social media giants. Now I can come here to SH and have someone tell me to shut up unless they want my opinion. Gosh, I feel right at home now.
Maybe if you can’t handle discussion from those with opinions different than yours, you should retreat to the mil/Le section where you may not hear any differing opinions from yours (though I doubt it) and the only arguments you will have will be about which color crayons taste best.
Maybe if you can’t handle discussion from those with opinions different than yours, you should retreat to the mil/Le section where you may not hear any differing opinions from yours (though I doubt it) and the only arguments you will have will be about which color crayons taste best.
Ok, you and I are going to have an old fashioned "shoot out". The rules are....We'll meet at high noon. Stand back to back, walk ten paces, turn and shoot. Except im not going to walk 10 paces, im going to walk 4, turn and shoot you in the back. I win! You lose.
Shouldnt have followed the rules dumb shit.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. My opinion is that if you haven’t experienced __________, then you don’t rate to give an opinion about ________. That being said, I stand by my opinion that this was a bad move and that a lot of the blind support that follows it is toxic and ignorant. I’m sorry if you need a safe space and that a differing opinion online upsets you.
Also, the crayon thing is overplayed.
You havent served as POTUS, so you have no business voicing your opinion about anything he does. See how that works?
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