Prime Update Video

[b6graham]

Crowd source Cartridge idea:::

Maybe partner with David T
115DC 6mm Creed.. .62 G1 @ 3000fps

this but in 6XC...

 

[cornhusker86]

This is an honest question, not a smartass comment - can you name any mfg in this industry that suffered longterm damage by a boycott? especially one that has as many brands as Ruag does. It seems we always gets up in arms, but then 6 months later, no one cares.

As a matter of fact, I can not. That doesn't prevent me choosing who I'll support.

 

[Primus]

Troy , robarms, Springfield( they sucked before) , HS precision ,ext. There are also a number of dealers who have been boycotted out of existence due to same type of shit.

 

[Lowlight]

TacticalRifles.Net

 

[surprise]

Hi,

May want to let the Courts determine that first beforehand. IF Ruag wins the lawsuit then all those public defamation/reviews can become their own case(s).

Also it may not be wise to collaborate such practices utilizing this forum for such; as it would take about 2 minutes of searching on the internet to bring lawyers eyes onto the forum.

Sincerely,
Theis

I think we all know that they are already here, probably reading this as I am typing.

 

[sabrecross]

I think we all know that they are already here, probably reading this as I am typing.

They would be fools if they were not reading these posts and taking notes...

 

[Diver160651]

Crowd source Cartier ide:::

Maybe partner with David T

115DC 6mm Creed.. .62 G1 @ 3000fps

TacticalRifles.Net

The Operator as Fuck - did it

 

[Lowlight]

RUAG Response is posted, but their complete claim along with the countersuit is also posted

"RUAG Takes Legal Action Against PRIME Ammunition for Outstanding Debt on More than 1.2 Million Rounds
Tampa, USA, April 17, 2019. RUAG Ammotec has taken contractually-defined recourse on Citizens Ammunition, LLC. RUAG has been loading the PRIME brand ammunition for several years. Well over a year ago Citizens stopped paying RUAG for the ammunition it sold and has refused to make any additional payments on the debt owed. This has forced RUAG to exercise its contractual rights through litigation and product sales.

PRIME Ammunition is delinquent on payments for more than 1.2 million rounds of ammunition sold and received. PRIME’s practice of selling and receiving the product but refusing to pay caused RUAG to act to protect its interests. Any statements, claims or representations to the contrary are simply false.

RUAG’s dedication to quality, manufacturing excellence, and deep product knowledge have supplied PRIME Ammunition and its fans and supporters with ammunition that stands out from the competition. Similarly, RUAG Ammotec supplies world-class components, manufacturing resources and loaded ammunition to leading brands and companies around the world. RUAG Ammotec factory loads the most calibers of ammunition in the world and has production capabilities in five countries. The US market receives top ammunition options for anyone who hunts, shoots, competes, trains, protects, serves or defends from RUAG’s family of brands and products.
RUAG is confident that this matter will be resolved in its favor. RUAG looks forward to continuing to deliver exciting new products and high-quality ammunition to hunters and shooters across the country and throughout the world."

 

[Lowlight]

In response to the, "Did not make payments"

Prime has been posting this on FB

1
2/7/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00236 CB SEQ 001524 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$21,563.85
2
3/30/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00789 CB SEQ 004044 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$60,422.48
3
4/20/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00703 CB SEQ 004031 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$57,600.00
4
8/6/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00702 CB SEQ 003938 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$12,499.86
5
8/14/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00320 CB SEQ 001843 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$237,460.62
6
8/21/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00532 CB SEQ 003175 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$145,343.81
7
8/22/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00446 CB SEQ 002423 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$399,960.00
8
8/23/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00615 CB SEQ 003476 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$77,939.77
9
8/24/18
BUS DEBIT CARD PURCHASE RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC 813-321-1817 FL
$5,694.92
10
8/28/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00706 CB SEQ 004155 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$34,526.51
$1,053,011.82

 

[Primus]

Don't know who is going to win but this is reason 4376 to reload. Good cheap factory match ammo just seems to good to be true.

 

[Lowlight]

Nah

There is great factory ammo out there at decent prices, still not reloading

 

[Lowlight]

Date


Description


Debit











2/7/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00236 CB SEQ 001524 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$21,563.85


3/30/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00789 CB SEQ 004044 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$60,422.48


4/20/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00703 CB SEQ 004031 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$57,600.00


8/6/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00702 CB SEQ 003938 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$12,499.86


8/14/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00320 CB SEQ 001843 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$237,460.62


8/21/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00532 CB SEQ 003175 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$145,343.81


8/22/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00446 CB SEQ 002423 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$399,960.00


8/23/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00615 CB SEQ 003476 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$77,939.77


8/24/18


BUS DEBIT CARD PURCHASE RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC 813-321-1817 FL


$5,694.92


8/28/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00706 CB SEQ 004155 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$34,526.51


9/6/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00448 CB SEQ 002368 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$11,453.77


9/11/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00534 CB SEQ 002936 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$6,090.51


9/18/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00441 CB SEQ 002352 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$22,422.05


9/26/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00593 CB SEQ 003145 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$9,288.59


10/1/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00801 CB SEQ 004333 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$8,509.50


10/9/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00169 CB SEQ 001559 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$6,290.09


10/16/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00703 CB SEQ 003909 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$3,517.29


10/19/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00659 CB SEQ 003991 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$1,344.75


10/23/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00095 CB SEQ 000852 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$5,435.10


10/31/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00834 CB SEQ 004613 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$2,644.69


11/7/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00152 CB SEQ 000934 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$2,754.63


1/6/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00653 CB SEQ 003764 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$28,087.50


1/17/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00169 CB SEQ 001805 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$168,393.50


1/27/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00436 CB SEQ 002511 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$24,488.25


2/3/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00574 CB SEQ 003598 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$15,560.00


2/17/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00815 CB SEQ 004623 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$35,938.74


2/24/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00579 CB SEQ 003345 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$72,613.25


3/3/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00775 CB SEQ 004316 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$53,829.70


3/10/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00635 CB SEQ 003665 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$47,100.07


3/20/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00315 CB SEQ 001832 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$154,397.10


3/24/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00611 CB SEQ 003486 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$58,586.25


3/31/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00894 CB SEQ 004753 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$30,531.26


4/7/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00743 CB SEQ 004306 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$22,115.25


4/17/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00664 CB SEQ 003262 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$14,390.39


4/21/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00724 CB SEQ 003957 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$48,467.74


5/8/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00161 CB SEQ 001244 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$59,014.61


5/12/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00637 CB SEQ 003573 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$33,687.63


5/22/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00341 CB SEQ 002069 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$150,679.88


5/30/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00712 CB SEQ 004024 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$15,094.25


6/7/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00307 CB SEQ 001659 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$11,984.25


6/12/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00213 CB SEQ 001243 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$20,770.00


6/19/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00228 CB SEQ 001476 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$16,552.75


6/27/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00321 CB SEQ 001825 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$28,923.50


6/30/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #01192 CB SEQ 006257 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$16,491.00


7/10/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00236 CB SEQ 001575 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$42,112.25


7/18/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00355 CB SEQ 002010 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$182,470.50


7/26/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00138 CB SEQ 000943 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$13,601.63


8/1/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00797 CB SEQ 004231 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$8,158.00


8/11/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00384 CB SEQ 002289 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$10,704.00


8/17/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00719 CB SEQ 004083 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$17,281.50


8/23/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00514 CB SEQ 002900 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$10,120.50


9/5/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00634 CB SEQ 003879 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$65,969.63


9/15/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00207 CB SEQ 001296 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$23,042.75


9/19/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00350 CB SEQ 002057 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$16,992.50


9/28/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00483 CB SEQ 002711 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$41,098.13


10/3/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00743 CB SEQ 003736 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$23,847.75


10/10/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00865 CB SEQ 005160 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$66,138.38


10/20/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00652 CB SEQ 003807 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$319,464.12


11/3/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00098 CB SEQ 000742 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$20,143.63


11/10/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00198 CB SEQ 001319 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$19,434.88


11/20/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00140 CB SEQ 001027 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$13,828.50


11/27/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00559 CB SEQ 003141 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$17,918.88


12/7/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00360 CB SEQ 002224 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$126,205.38


12/19/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00277 CB SEQ 001737 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$31,559.00


12/28/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00966 CB SEQ 005201 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$43,309.88


1/4/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00305 CB SEQ 001707 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$21,189.50


1/15/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00690 CB SEQ 003755 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$37,720.45


2/5/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00434 CB SEQ 002459 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$60,562.25


2/22/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00503 CB SEQ 002786 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$54,581.00


3/2/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00245 CB SEQ 001393 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$26,249.00


3/25/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00279 CB SEQ 001385 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$45,250.30


4/1/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00786 CB SEQ 003685 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$20,849.25


4/12/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00465 CB SEQ 002649 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$21,080.25


4/22/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00131 CB SEQ 000876 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$286,054.50


5/13/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00643 CB SEQ 003586 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$45,278.25


6/2/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00423 CB SEQ 002233 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$250,550.00


6/8/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00608 CB SEQ 003186 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$21,547.80


6/30/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #01087 CB SEQ 005667 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$20,721.75


7/12/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00179 CB SEQ 001239 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$16,540.25


7/18/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00226 CB SEQ 001412 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$80,232.25


7/29/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00777 CB SEQ 004527 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$58,090.13


8/16/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00262 CB SEQ 001877 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$53,408.75


8/24/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00150 CB SEQ 001004 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$22,136.25


9/9/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00650 CB SEQ 003499 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$72,592.17


9/22/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00264 CB SEQ 001551 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$108,661.06


9/23/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00603 CB SEQ 003414 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$40,834.23


9/30/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #01227 CB SEQ 006658 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$186,800.27


10/7/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00624 CB SEQ 003605 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$18,500.00


10/14/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00628 CB SEQ 003440 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$22,662.03


10/21/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00651 CB SEQ 003521 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$24,250.00


11/4/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00416 CB SEQ 002553 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$129,482.68


11/14/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00500 CB SEQ 003037 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$37,592.29


11/18/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00689 CB SEQ 003874 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$25,015.06


11/28/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00547 CB SEQ 003237 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$20,828.81


12/2/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00606 CB SEQ 003386 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$160,502.15


12/9/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00239 CB SEQ 001552 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$19,540.24


12/20/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00198 CB SEQ 001427 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$17,643.21


12/23/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00668 CB SEQ 003828 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$33,327.73


12/30/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00728 CB SEQ 003773 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$20,446.66


1/7/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00410 CB SEQ 002321 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$2,355.90


1/29/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00374 CB SEQ 002050 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$7,622.25


2/27/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00903 CB SEQ 004794 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$6,072.87


3/30/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00326 CB SEQ 001812 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$9,189.95


5/1/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00743 CB SEQ 003605 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$4,319.05


5/22/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00186 CB SEQ 001116 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$7,343.75


6/26/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00650 CB SEQ 003375 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$7,600.58


7/29/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00492 CB SEQ 002639 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$9,764.03


8/31/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00458 CB SEQ 002368 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$1,778.00


9/25/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00540 CB SEQ 003122 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$21,040.75


10/13/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00684 CB SEQ 004008 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$5,880.25


10/29/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00500 CB SEQ 002606 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$49,441.00


11/3/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00408 CB SEQ 002361 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$8,583.00


11/17/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00294 CB SEQ 001746 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$25,808.40


12/4/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00229 CB SEQ 001416 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$17,348.50


12/21/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00822 CB SEQ 004597 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$41,554.65


9/24/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00147 CB SEQ 000844 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$10,017.55


10/30/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00227 CB SEQ 001354 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$5,973.45


10/22/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00253 CB SEQ 001408 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$5,778.00


9/11/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00275 CB SEQ 001557 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$6,500.55


4/18/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00304 CB SEQ 001343 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$1,635.63


4/10/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00336 CB SEQ 001813 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$9,858.69


7/25/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00395 CB SEQ 001950 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$11,254.15


7/2/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00501 CB SEQ 002142 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$4,923.88


4/7/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00522 CB SEQ 002571 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$5,827.48


4/14/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00549 CB SEQ 002877 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC.


$9,150.24


5/22/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00561 CB SEQ 002959 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$8,040.73


11/26/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00737 CB SEQ 003632 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$1,677.05


6/13/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #01272 CB SEQ 005289 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$14,434.89


11/15/13


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00461 CB SEQ 002023 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$32,659.20


11/22/13


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00785 CB SEQ 003832 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$32,659.20








$5,840,675.59

 

[brianf]

i think i read most the info...

although prime is posting payments, it means nothing

does anyone have access to the contract payment terms and was prime past due?

as i posted a few pages ago, just because you pay does not mean you are up to date on terms

if you owe 2mm and you send in 1mm of payments...you are still behind...no product shipment

new money goes to old bills not the other way around

if they were paying on time/with in terms then they have a chance


if i missed it then dont pay attention to my post

 

[Lowlight]

What happened was the Second Addendum,

That is the missing element and overlooked piece of the puzzle.

Plus you have to look at the management change, that is where everything changed. Prime was good until new management arrived on the scene as well as the talk of discontinuing civilian sales.

 

[brianf]

edit post above

i should have added...

it also seems that ruag is also trying to use every trick in the book

 

[Mr. Z]

Kinda crazy that it costs $1.15/round to make ammunition at the 350,000pcs scale.

Prime is pretty dumb for thinking this type of middleman business arrangement was ever sustainable forever.

I call B.S.
Nearly everything we buy comes through a middleman of one sort or another. Prime delivered a top notch product at a competitive price point. Coupled with the fact that they serve us, the end user, with what up until this hiccup was outstanding customer service. Customer service, not just investor appeasements, is the reason they will pull through. They have been there for and with us. And for that, they have my respect AND support.

Link to their legal fund:

PRIME Ammunition Legal Fund

primelegalfund.com

 

[Lowlight]

That is the issue in my mind,

They were stalling and putting Prime in hold for months and tied up the inventory. If you look the 6CM/4S Ammo was taken care of in August, it could have been a ploy to get Prime to pay a bigger chunk of their loan, but the 6CM/4S stuff was on the record to be made for months if not longer. Then in Oct it all shut down with the management change.

They stalled the talks until SHOT and they both sides walked away again until just this week. The tactic tied everything up with no real exit in sight until finally, the countersuit was posted.

The order of the business, the payments towards, X Y or Z, and then the new order of ammo vs how far back do they claim nonpayment

 

[HayStax]

Kinda crazy that it costs $1.15/round to

They didn’t “fail to meet the first deadline.”

The agreement said that after the first two years, they return any unsold ammo to ruag to sell as they wish. A “failure” would have been to refuse to return the ammo.

What they did is to take the value of that ammo and turn it into a loan. Which was about 2million.

If this is true, then it was definitely a bait and switch or at a minimum a walk back on an agreement.

The question is if that agreement was legally binding.

I didn’t read that any ammo was to be returned to RUAG. Rather any unsold ammo that was on initial order terms was to be paid in full at end of 2 years.

Then 2nd agreement was reached with the outstanding balance on initial order becoming a loan.

Whatever our interpretations may be, it’s a shitty situation for Prime

 

[Holliday]

So... do we have to boycott RUAG/Norma on principal now?

I have been through something similar on a smaller scale with a supplier. If they are in another country and/or you don’t have deep pockets for legal fees, you are at their mercy. Also they will do things to make YOU burn the relationship (like threatening them with legal action) so they feel they can do what they want with your designs. It’s the 5th level of hell and destroys good small businesses every day.

 

[Holliday]

Hate to be the asshole here but what does prime expect to happen? They dont produce anything. These large companies are going to wise up sooner or later and try to take the market. Is has happened countless times in history. Prime should have had better succession planning including manufacturing the ammo themselves. Being subject to the whims of suppliers is bad enough, but also being subject to the people who assemble your products...bad business. I feel terrible for Prime but they are learning an expensive lesson. Hope they can pull through this.

Apple, one of the richest companies in the world, doesn't manufacture their own product:

“Apple doesn’t manufacture its own devices. Instead, the company relies on a wide array of suppliers or assemblers. The most famous one is probably Foxconn as the company has been building more than a billion iPhones for the past ten years.”

Apple or Foxconn could be building factories in the US — or maybe not | TechCrunch

President Donald Trump surprised everyone yesterday when he told the Wall Street Journal that Apple CEO Tim Cook told him Apple would build three

techcrunch.com

 

[Steel head]

In response to the, "Did not make payments"

Prime has been posting this on FB

1
2/7/18
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$21,563.85
2
3/30/18
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$60,422.48
3
4/20/18
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$57,600.00
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8/6/18
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$12,499.86
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8/14/18
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$237,460.62
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8/21/18
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8/22/18
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8
8/23/18
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$77,939.77
9
8/24/18
BUS DEBIT CARD PURCHASE RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC 813-321-1817 FL
$5,694.92
10
8/28/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00706 CB SEQ 004155 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$34,526.51
$1,053,011.82

Date


Description


Debit











2/7/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00236 CB SEQ 001524 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$21,563.85


3/30/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00789 CB SEQ 004044 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$60,422.48


4/20/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00703 CB SEQ 004031 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$57,600.00


8/6/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00702 CB SEQ 003938 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$12,499.86


8/14/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00320 CB SEQ 001843 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$237,460.62


8/21/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00532 CB SEQ 003175 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$145,343.81


8/22/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00446 CB SEQ 002423 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$399,960.00


8/23/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00615 CB SEQ 003476 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$77,939.77


8/24/18


BUS DEBIT CARD PURCHASE RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC 813-321-1817 FL


$5,694.92


8/28/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00706 CB SEQ 004155 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$34,526.51


9/6/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00448 CB SEQ 002368 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$11,453.77


9/11/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00534 CB SEQ 002936 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$6,090.51


9/18/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00441 CB SEQ 002352 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$22,422.05


9/26/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00593 CB SEQ 003145 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$9,288.59


10/1/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00801 CB SEQ 004333 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$8,509.50


10/9/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00169 CB SEQ 001559 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$6,290.09


10/16/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00703 CB SEQ 003909 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$3,517.29


10/19/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00659 CB SEQ 003991 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$1,344.75


10/23/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00095 CB SEQ 000852 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$5,435.10


10/31/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00834 CB SEQ 004613 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$2,644.69


11/7/18


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00152 CB SEQ 000934 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$2,754.63


1/6/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00653 CB SEQ 003764 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$28,087.50


1/17/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00169 CB SEQ 001805 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$168,393.50


1/27/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00436 CB SEQ 002511 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$24,488.25


2/3/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00574 CB SEQ 003598 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$15,560.00


2/17/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00815 CB SEQ 004623 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$35,938.74


2/24/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00579 CB SEQ 003345 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$72,613.25


3/3/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00775 CB SEQ 004316 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$53,829.70


3/10/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00635 CB SEQ 003665 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$47,100.07


3/20/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00315 CB SEQ 001832 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$154,397.10


3/24/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00611 CB SEQ 003486 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$58,586.25


3/31/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00894 CB SEQ 004753 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$30,531.26


4/7/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00743 CB SEQ 004306 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$22,115.25


4/17/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00664 CB SEQ 003262 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$14,390.39


4/21/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00724 CB SEQ 003957 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$48,467.74


5/8/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00161 CB SEQ 001244 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$59,014.61


5/12/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00637 CB SEQ 003573 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$33,687.63


5/22/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00341 CB SEQ 002069 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$150,679.88


5/30/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00712 CB SEQ 004024 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$15,094.25


6/7/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00307 CB SEQ 001659 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$11,984.25


6/12/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00213 CB SEQ 001243 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$20,770.00


6/19/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00228 CB SEQ 001476 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$16,552.75


6/27/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00321 CB SEQ 001825 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$28,923.50


6/30/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #01192 CB SEQ 006257 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$16,491.00


7/10/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00236 CB SEQ 001575 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$42,112.25


7/18/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00355 CB SEQ 002010 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$182,470.50


7/26/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00138 CB SEQ 000943 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$13,601.63


8/1/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00797 CB SEQ 004231 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$8,158.00


8/11/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00384 CB SEQ 002289 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$10,704.00


8/17/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00719 CB SEQ 004083 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$17,281.50


8/23/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00514 CB SEQ 002900 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$10,120.50


9/5/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00634 CB SEQ 003879 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$65,969.63


9/15/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00207 CB SEQ 001296 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$23,042.75


9/19/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00350 CB SEQ 002057 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$16,992.50


9/28/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00483 CB SEQ 002711 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$41,098.13


10/3/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00743 CB SEQ 003736 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$23,847.75


10/10/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00865 CB SEQ 005160 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$66,138.38


10/20/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00652 CB SEQ 003807 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$319,464.12


11/3/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00098 CB SEQ 000742 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$20,143.63


11/10/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00198 CB SEQ 001319 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$19,434.88


11/20/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00140 CB SEQ 001027 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$13,828.50


11/27/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00559 CB SEQ 003141 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$17,918.88


12/7/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00360 CB SEQ 002224 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$126,205.38


12/19/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00277 CB SEQ 001737 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$31,559.00


12/28/17


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00966 CB SEQ 005201 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$43,309.88


1/4/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00305 CB SEQ 001707 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$21,189.50


1/15/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00690 CB SEQ 003755 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$37,720.45


2/5/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00434 CB SEQ 002459 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$60,562.25


2/22/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00503 CB SEQ 002786 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$54,581.00


3/2/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00245 CB SEQ 001393 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$26,249.00


3/25/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00279 CB SEQ 001385 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$45,250.30


4/1/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00786 CB SEQ 003685 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$20,849.25


4/12/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00465 CB SEQ 002649 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$21,080.25


4/22/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00131 CB SEQ 000876 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$286,054.50


5/13/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00643 CB SEQ 003586 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$45,278.25


6/2/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00423 CB SEQ 002233 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$250,550.00


6/8/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00608 CB SEQ 003186 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$21,547.80


6/30/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #01087 CB SEQ 005667 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$20,721.75


7/12/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00179 CB SEQ 001239 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$16,540.25


7/18/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00226 CB SEQ 001412 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$80,232.25


7/29/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00777 CB SEQ 004527 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$58,090.13


8/16/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00262 CB SEQ 001877 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$53,408.75


8/24/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00150 CB SEQ 001004 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$22,136.25


9/9/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00650 CB SEQ 003499 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$72,592.17


9/22/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00264 CB SEQ 001551 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$108,661.06


9/23/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00603 CB SEQ 003414 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$40,834.23


9/30/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #01227 CB SEQ 006658 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$186,800.27


10/7/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00624 CB SEQ 003605 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$18,500.00


10/14/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00628 CB SEQ 003440 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$22,662.03


10/21/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00651 CB SEQ 003521 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$24,250.00


11/4/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00416 CB SEQ 002553 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$129,482.68


11/14/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00500 CB SEQ 003037 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$37,592.29


11/18/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00689 CB SEQ 003874 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$25,015.06


11/28/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00547 CB SEQ 003237 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$20,828.81


12/2/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00606 CB SEQ 003386 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$160,502.15


12/9/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00239 CB SEQ 001552 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$19,540.24


12/20/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00198 CB SEQ 001427 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$17,643.21


12/23/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00668 CB SEQ 003828 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$33,327.73


12/30/16


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00728 CB SEQ 003773 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$20,446.66


1/7/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00410 CB SEQ 002321 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$2,355.90


1/29/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00374 CB SEQ 002050 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$7,622.25


2/27/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00903 CB SEQ 004794 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$6,072.87


3/30/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00326 CB SEQ 001812 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$9,189.95


5/1/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00743 CB SEQ 003605 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$4,319.05


5/22/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00186 CB SEQ 001116 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$7,343.75


6/26/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00650 CB SEQ 003375 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$7,600.58


7/29/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00492 CB SEQ 002639 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$9,764.03


8/31/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00458 CB SEQ 002368 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$1,778.00


9/25/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00540 CB SEQ 003122 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$21,040.75


10/13/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00684 CB SEQ 004008 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$5,880.25


10/29/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00500 CB SEQ 002606 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$49,441.00


11/3/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00408 CB SEQ 002361 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$8,583.00


11/17/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00294 CB SEQ 001746 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$25,808.40


12/4/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00229 CB SEQ 001416 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$17,348.50


12/21/15


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00822 CB SEQ 004597 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$41,554.65


9/24/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00147 CB SEQ 000844 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$10,017.55


10/30/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00227 CB SEQ 001354 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$5,973.45


10/22/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00253 CB SEQ 001408 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$5,778.00


9/11/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00275 CB SEQ 001557 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$6,500.55


4/18/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00304 CB SEQ 001343 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$1,635.63


4/10/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00336 CB SEQ 001813 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$9,858.69


7/25/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00395 CB SEQ 001950 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$11,254.15


7/2/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00501 CB SEQ 002142 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$4,923.88


4/7/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00522 CB SEQ 002571 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$5,827.48


4/14/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00549 CB SEQ 002877 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC.


$9,150.24


5/22/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00561 CB SEQ 002959 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$8,040.73


11/26/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00737 CB SEQ 003632 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$1,677.05


6/13/14


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #01272 CB SEQ 005289 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$14,434.89


11/15/13


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00461 CB SEQ 002023 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$32,659.20


11/22/13


WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00785 CB SEQ 003832 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC


$32,659.20








$5,840,675.59

LOL

Prime isn’t afraid to play the game!

That’s awesome!

 

[Primus]

Apple, one of the richest companies in the world, doesn't manufacture their own product:

“Apple doesn’t manufacture its own devices. Instead, the company relies on a wide array of suppliers or assemblers. The most famous one is probably Foxconn as the company has been building more than a billion iPhones for the past ten years.”

Apple or Foxconn could be building factories in the US — or maybe not | TechCrunch

President Donald Trump surprised everyone yesterday when he told the Wall Street Journal that Apple CEO Tim Cook told him Apple would build three

techcrunch.com

Yea using slave labor while helping to build the technology and infastructure of our greatest advesary to the point then may eclipse us while opening additional vectors of espinoge instead of domestic production employing Americans and keeping the tech sector roaring at home..... Is not a great example.

Apple can suck an aids infested cock.

 

[Primus]

LOL

Prime isn’t afraid to play the game!

That’s awesome!

I hope they are releasing this on advice of their hopefully competent attorneys because sharing of information during ongoing littigation outside propper channels is a great way to help lose your case.

 

[Holliday]

Yea using slave labor while helping to build the technology and infastructure of our greatest advesary to the point then may eclipse us while opening additional vectors of espinoge instead of domestic production employing Americans and keeping the tech sector roaring at home..... Is not a great example.

Apple can suck an aids infested cock.

Exactly....... So your statement was ludicrous and uninformed. There are MANY successful companies that outsource manufacturing. Apple is one example.

At this moment there are many outsourced ios devices and androids posting on this forum right now, so spare me the faux righteous indignation.

Google does not make their phones either.

Google Reportedly Working With iPhone Manufacturer To Build Pixel 3 Phones

Sources claim that Google is handling the entire design and manufacturing process more like Apple. The design is all Google, and it's planning to contract Foxconn to manufacture the phones.

www.forbes.com

 

[MarinePMI]

After listening to Jim's interview on @Lowlight 's EDS podcast, I think I should rescind my previous comment (and it's bleak view). I had not factored in the different business model of Prime, as well as the unique (and un-quantifiable) relationship with their customer base. I also noted the lesson learned here, should they prevail; no single source for any component. If they are not going to load their own ammunition, this is the only viable option, and wish them well in finding the vendors that they need to continue their business.

Finally, I think we should all thank Frank for bringing this to light, and in full detail (both sides of the story) with his podcast and far reaching voice. RUAG was definitely slowly starving Prime, and bringing this to light (I think) was needed.

As for crowd sourcing ammo...Id vote for a .224 Valkyrie offering.

 

[Defender3]

I feel bad for Jim and the precision community. RUAG has the resources to see this through, I'm afraid Jim may not as it could easily take $250K just to get through depositions, and another $250K for trail, and with no guarantees. I'm surprised Jim didn't file an emergency order for the immediate release of his frustrated ammo.

 

[Primus]

Exactly....... So your statement was ludicrous and uninformed. There are MANY successful companies that outsource manufacturing. Apple is one example.

At this moment there are many outsourced ios devices and androids posting on this forum right now, so spare me the faux righteous indignation.

Google does not make their phones either.

Google Reportedly Working With iPhone Manufacturer To Build Pixel 3 Phones

Sources claim that Google is handling the entire design and manufacturing process more like Apple. The design is all Google, and it's planning to contract Foxconn to manufacture the phones.

www.forbes.com

Yea the same Google working with the Chinese government on AI and helping them to censor the Internet.

Google gets the majority of their revenue from ads and cloud hosting. Apple model is going the same way which is why they are building massive data centers all over the world.

Not to even mention both of these companies are market movers...litterly some of the biggest multi Nationals In the world. Hundreds of companies have sprung up specifically to supply and support them. Prime is a small company relying on the big boys to do their lifting. It's apples to space shuttles comparison.

Apple or Google says jump and half the world says how high. You think prime has dozens of companies lining up to help them succeed, sometimes at a loss to get a foot in the door?

You are 0/2. Want to go for 3?

 

[fxdrider]

Hi,

May want to let the Courts determine that first beforehand. IF Ruag wins the lawsuit then all those public defamation/reviews can become their own case(s).

Also it may not be wise to collaborate such practices utilizing this forum for such; as it would take about 2 minutes of searching on the internet to bring lawyers eyes onto the forum.

Sincerely,
Theis

You make some excellent points. I didn't think along those lines. Thanks.

As Jim noted in the interview

There is no reason to get malicious, you can protest their actions without getting ugly, you speak with your wallet in this case.

Hornady, Federal, Berger, Lapua, all brands you can support with no reason to take the low road.

I wouldn't advocate getting malicious - didn't mean to sound that way. But as Theis pointed out, it's probably best to wait for the court's decision and not risk additional legal action. Heck of a world, eh?

Let's hope Jim has all of his payment records and can show the court that he was compliant with his contracts with RUAG. I heard him on your podcast and watched his YouTube video about the case. Seems like a standup guy.

 

[Dthomas3523]

Will be interesting to see if the email agreement is considered binding.

Though I’m sure this will settle before a judgment is reached.

 

[Bradu]

In response to the, "Did not make payments"

Prime has been posting this on FB

1
2/7/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00236 CB SEQ 001524 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$21,563.85
2
3/30/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00789 CB SEQ 004044 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$60,422.48
3
4/20/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00703 CB SEQ 004031 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$57,600.00
4
8/6/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00702 CB SEQ 003938 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$12,499.86
5
8/14/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00320 CB SEQ 001843 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$237,460.62
6
8/21/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00532 CB SEQ 003175 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$145,343.81
7
8/22/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00446 CB SEQ 002423 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$399,960.00
8
8/23/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00615 CB SEQ 003476 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$77,939.77
9
8/24/18
BUS DEBIT CARD PURCHASE RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC 813-321-1817 FL
$5,694.92
10
8/28/18
WIRE TRANSFER DEBIT WIRE FED #00706 CB SEQ 004155 RUAG AMMOTEC USA INC
$34,526.51
$1,053,011.82

I read through a lot of this and just want to be sure without reading it again. Was the new agreement in place after SHOT show 2018 which would explain why the change in how frequent the payments were being made?

 

[Dthomas3523]

I’ll take that swag now.......

 

[Shankin]

I think I should win.....

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[Steel head]

I’ll take that swag now.......

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[Sconnie42]

I'm a bit late to the comments on this, but did read through the whole pdf. What a mess! Regardless of what the court decides, I'm convinced RUAG is working to squash PRIME because of their wildly successful Direct to Consumer business model. This model and any eCommerce sales have been killing traditional retail sales models for the past several years. RUAG is clearly trying to protect it's own interests in selling the Norma brand of which PRIME is directly competing. Lesson about contracts is they can be broken, and in this case there are many levers RUAG can pull to put PRIME out of business. The dollars in the court docs are rounding errors for RUAG and are a small price to pay in order to enter into and compete in the space once occupied by PRIME (read take PRIME down).

For PRIME: Who are the contract manufacturers in ammunition manufacturing that do not own brands and have capacity and know how to produce high quality precision ammunition? Is there anyone in the USA that operates in this space? Sure, RUAG makes great products, but if I remember correctly from the Precision Rifle Media podcasts Jim was on a few years ago, the specifications are solely set by PRIME and would be transferable elsewhere.

 

[MarinePMI]

For PRIME: Who are the contract manufacturers in ammunition manufacturing that do not own brands and have capacity and know how to produce high quality precision ammunition? Is there anyone in the USA that operates in this space? Sure, RUAG makes great products, but if I remember correctly from the Precision Rifle Media podcasts Jim was on a few years ago, the specifications are solely set by PRIME and would be transferable elsewhere.

I can think of a couple just off the top of my head; Freedom Munitions, Michigan Ammo Co., MagTech, etc....

Now whether any of them can provide the volume that Prime needs is another discussion...

 

[b6graham]

I can think of a couple just off the top of my head; Freedom Munitions, Michigan Ammo Co., MagTech, etc....

Now whether any of them can provide the volume that Prime needs is another discussion...

magtech is a CBC brand

 

[jbailey]

For PRIME: Who are the contract manufacturers in ammunition manufacturing that do not own brands and have capacity and know how to produce high quality precision ammunition? Is there anyone in the USA that operates in this space? Sure, RUAG makes great products, but if I remember correctly from the Precision Rifle Media podcasts Jim was on a few years ago, the specifications are solely set by PRIME and would be transferable elsewhere.

Black Hills Ammunition?

http://www.black-hills.com/ammunition/

They might have their own brand but maybe not as focused on the PRS community as PRIME... ?

 

[melt215]

Looks like someone from RUAG kept Jims cash to send their kid to USC

 

[pinhead]

I made a small donation last night and got a call 8 minutes later from Jim thanking me. I’m looking forward to see a company like this move forward from this mess.

 

[Defender3]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Same here. Made a donation this morning and was speaking with Jim 5 minutes later. We talked for 30 minutes on a number of topics and hopefully there will be some positive news shortly.

Jim also sent me RUAG's Code of Conduct, seems some there may need a reminder of the company's core values.

 

[XTREM HTR16]

same here. donated last night, got a phone call from him after lunch today. I appreciate that level of personal relationship.

 

[ZY100]

Team,

As you know, there are 1000's of PRIME customers....and while we on the Hide are on board, we need the advantage of mass. Please keep actively and consistently spreading the word to get lots of people contributing. All those small donations add up.

Jim and the PRIME team are good people. Lets keep the momentum rolling.....

ZY

 

[J-Ham]

Just tried to donate on my piece of shit phone, but no worky... Anyone else struggling or is this on my end?

*Scratch that, had to 'update cart'.

 

[Masked]

Black Hills Ammunition?

http://www.black-hills.com/ammunition/

They might have their own brand but maybe not as focused on the PRS community as PRIME... ?

Black Hills supplies to the military - I’ve always actually been shocked they have the capacity left over for civilian sales.

 

[Defender3]

Keeping it alive, from Recoil.

 

[pinhead]

What’s the latest? Any more updates?

 

[Boostinmarc4]

This all really sucks for PRIME but it isn't shocking in the business world. It is fairly likely neither side is 100% innocent but RUAG decided that business with PRIME was not something they wanted to continue with.

It is bad business to allow PRIME to move to another manufacturer and allow them to be a competitor. Squashing them and keeping their recipes is how big business stays big.

Not right, but possibly avoidable had PRIME been safeguarded itself along the way. Nice guys finish last, trust no one, it's just good business, there is a reason all these sayings exist.

Good luck to PRIME for the future and I hope they can survive or reincarnate but that they learn from this.

 

[Dthomas3523]

I could have missed something, but in the emails that were in an article that surfaced recently, I read absolutely nothing that indicates both sides agreed to the loan and such.

Lots of “I like most of it, but please see these changes I’d like to make.”

 

[mdthanatos]

Really dumb question here. I found some Prime ammo at Targetsportsusa, just did a quick search and saw some 9mm and .308. Is this the same ammo that is in question here? Did Ruag sell the inventory that is being withheld from Prime to another vendor?

 

[spife7980]

I could have missed something, but in the emails that were in an article that surfaced recently, I read absolutely nothing that indicates both sides agreed to the loan and such.

Lots of “I like most of it, but please see these changes I’d like to make.”

Link to those emails for inquiring minds? Or know what site you saw it on at least?

Really dumb question here. I found some Prime ammo at Targetsportsusa, just did a quick search and saw some 9mm and .308. Is this the same ammo that is in question here? Did Ruag sell the inventory that is being withheld from Prime to another vendor?

I see that too, navigate to rifle ammo, choose 308 and its the first option

Only when I click on it it takes you to a page to sign up for their "exclusive prime ammo membership" which doesnt appear to be limited to just "prime" ammo, tula etc are eligible as well https://www.targetsportsusa.com/t-PrimeExclusive.aspx