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I haven't seen my commander in chief wear one yet. Have you? Yeah, didn't think so.

Post why you wear one or why you refuse to here. I refuse to censor my smile. Los Angeles is overreaching it's legal bounds to make people wear them, but I still havent put one on to this day. (y)
 
I am NOT wearing a mask, as much out of protest against the infringement of our Civil Rights as against the blatant stupidity of the sheeple of this country for buying into this bullshit in the first place. This whole thing has been so severely overblown and the ACTUAL death rate so low, that it is lower than the "normal" flu. I did the math the other day with the "latest" figures and the mortality rate is 0.17%.
This is nothing but another attempt at a political Coup d'Etat. One of which I will not participate in the gross stupidity and outright treason displayed.
 
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I haven't seen my commander in chief wear one yet. Have you? Yeah, didn't think so.

Post why you wear one or why you refuse to here. I refuse to censor my smile. Los Angeles is overreaching it's legal bounds to make people wear them, but I still havent put one on to this day. (y)
Refuse to wear because its ineffective. Unless it's an N95 mask, and then I won't wear it because I'm an adult who washes his hands.
 
I love seeing all these people wearing the BS masks or bandanas. Do they not understand the whole reason the N95 masks work is because of how tightly woven the fabric is and it has a filter also.....hmmmm.
 
I love seeing all these people wearing the BS masks or bandanas. Do they not understand the whole reason the N95 masks work is because of how tightly woven the fabric is and it has a filter also.....hmmmm.
i would say it is meant to keep them from shedding virus all over the place (spitting, sneezing or coughing on things or people or touching their mouth and touching objects) and nothing more.
anyone that thinks this is going to protect them is foolish.
 
i would say it is meant to keep them from shedding virus all over the place (spitting, sneezing or coughing on things or people or touching their mouth and touching objects) and nothing more.
anyone that thinks this is going to protect them is foolish.
My wife was at the grocery store and a man with a mask stopped, lifted his mask to sneeze, then put it back and place and continued ti shop ? I am not making that up. Didn't even do the crook of the arm cover up.
 
Only place I wear a mask is the grocery store. Too many stupid fuckers that don't keep any distance. I'm not talking some homemade cotton useless thing. I wear a full respirator with p100 filters. I don't wear anything outside of that setting.
 
I am NOT wearing a mask, as much out of protest against the infringement of our Civil Rights as against the blatant stupidity of the sheeple of this country for buying into this bullshit in the first place. This whole thing has been so severely overblown and the ACTUAL death rate so low, that it is lower than the "normal" flu. I did the math the other day with the "latest" figures and the mortality rate is 0.17%.
This is nothing but another attempt at a political Coup d'Etat. One of which I will not participate in the gross stupidity and outright treason displayed.
Mind if I ask what figures you were using and if they were global or US specific?
 
Yes, for the same reason I obey traffic lights and stop signs. Not for me, but for everyone. Civil society and all that.

Aside from explained, saw a really good thermal video which showed that yes, absolutely, your breathing and coughing goes through a bandana, etc. To a range of about 6 inches instead of 4-6 feet. That is why they are encouraged/required for things like grocery stores where you can't keep distance.
 
We don’t need no stinkin Maskez

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Didn't this guy end up DEAD? Just askin'...
 
Mask AND gloves matter when handing the teller the note... just sayin.

Use the gloves too, when you write the note...

Low billed baseball cap for cameras.

But, definitely a mask AND gloves. Fer sure.
Doesn't hurt to throw in a dress and some high heels just to throw off the detectives !
But I wouldn't know , just herd that from a friend ?
 
I just don't understand the folks driving in their vehicles - by themselves - going somewhere - at the posted speed limit - with the windows up - wearing a mask.

Just what are they protecting themselves from in their vehicle - or - who are they protecting that is not riding with them?

Do those same folks wear a mask in their own house by themselves?

If so, the same questions apply.
 
I just don't understand the folks driving in their vehicles - by themselves - going somewhere - at the posted speed limit - with the windows up - wearing a mask.

Just what are they protecting themselves from in their vehicle - or - who are they protecting that is not riding with them?

Do those same folks wear a mask in their own house by themselves?

If so, the same questions apply.
I thought the same thing but then I realized if you're doing some running around it probably makes sense. You aren't supposed to touch your mask so leaving it on for the whole trip is probably more sanitary.
 
i would say it is meant to keep them from shedding virus all over the place (spitting, sneezing or coughing on things or people or touching their mouth and touching objects) and nothing more.
anyone that thinks this is going to protect them is foolish.
You forgot talking moistly
 
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I am NOT wearing a mask, as much out of protest against the infringement of our Civil Rights as against the blatant stupidity of the sheeple of this country for buying into this bullshit in the first place. This whole thing has been so severely overblown and the ACTUAL death rate so low, that it is lower than the "normal" flu. I did the math the other day with the "latest" figures and the mortality rate is 0.17%.
This is nothing but another attempt at a political Coup d'Etat. One of which I will not participate in the gross stupidity and outright treason displayed.
Agreed . I am NOT wearing one simply because of the blatant stupidity and hypocrisy of the EXPERT'S, including the ones on this forum who told us they were completely ineffective and then argued why they need them, and at the same time argued the great unwashed didn't need them .

According to some of the health care workers on here they only work for them and we " the poors and the great unwashed " don't need them because we are too fucking stupid to know how to properly use them .
But now were told that a scarf or a handkerchief will magically stop the virus .

So for all of you experts out there............
Well f u , your scarf and the limp dick horse you rode up on.
 
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2 things...

1. If a business makes it a requirement that you will wear a mask, then you can either wear one or choose to do business elsewhere. Private business can make many rules as they see fit. Your power as a consumer is to spend your dollars some place else.

2. In public, I suppose you have a choice to comply or not. Results may vary. But if a mask can help to keep from spreading the disease then I would ask why not wear one? Just based on freedom principles? Sure, whatevs...I would say that battle would be best spent elsewhere but hey go be you...
 
This thread is another example for false dichotomy thinking that is so prevalent: Mask or no mask? Yes or No?

Sorry, it's not that simple. There are at least three factors that determine appropriate protection against air-borne or aerosolized pathogens/chemicals.
  • Filtering effectiveness
  • Concentration
  • Exposure Duration
This is stated explicitly on industrial filter cartridges. "Rated for such and such for so many hours in concentrations under so many ppm"

What does this mean for me practically with Covid-19?

I have an NBC-rated full face mask with positive pressure SCABA hook up. That's what I would wear if would be face to face with positive Covid-19 patients day in and day out. I am deeply grateful to all the healthcare professionals who saved lives with substantially less, especially to those who unfortunately paid the ultimate price.

Next level down is P100 rated half mask and goggles. I would have worn this in NYC if I had to work or shop there.

Fortunately here in northern MD, where I am currently hunkering down, it did not get that bad. Why? Because we have social distancing built in. Not as extreme as in WY, MT, ND, etc. but certainly more than the DC area or NYC. So, for errands I went down to the level of a N95 mask with goggles.

I also reduced the re-supply runs to one per month and use gloves, proper donning and doffing, awareness of cross-contamination potential, etc.

As I said before, this is a lottery with no desirable prizes. The only thing this lottery offers is a 1-4% chance of death plus a chance of permanent reduction of life quality roughly an order of magnitude higher. Why would I buy even 1 ticket, let alone 100 in this lottery?

I do not hesitate to handle highly concentrated acids with bare hands (and eye pro) but would never expose myself to something that could possibly contain asbestos without proper PPE. I tack weld mild steel without gloves and just close my eyes. Welding anything with Chromium means either properly rated respirator or effective fume removal. Skin burns heal within a week. Effed up lungs or cancer take years or decades off your life.

I sometimes wear a parachute when flying not because I am afraid or such a lousy pilot but because I am operating very close to other airplanes or close to the limits of my own bird. Proper risk management considers probability AND consequences. I have been doing crazy stuff and have been messing with nasty substances for over 40 years. Still having all my senses, all limbs, fingers, and toes, full lung capacity, and no cancer as of today, took a little more than just luck.

As far as loss of freedom is concerned, that depended on the government's decisions, not whether I wear a mask for my safety or not. A tyrannical governor is not going to back down just because people don't wear masks. It will take a little more to rein these characters back in. I wear mask and other PPE not to hand the government more power but to increase my chance of being around and healthy when some power needs to be taken back with one of the three boxes. BTW: When you get to the last box are you still wearing just cloth or a little more?
 
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Forgot to mention another issue:

The progression of the majority of infectious diseases depends also on the amount of pathogen you get initially infected with. Think about the difference of 1000 or 1000000 infected people entering a 'healthy' country.

So even if a bandanna is not as good as an N95 mask it is still better than nothing both for probability of getting infected as well as for the disease progression if something slips by.
 
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i would wear a mask, but i am a poor minority that cannot afford to comply with this racist demand.
i ordered a bandana i could afford, but eta for shipping is june 4.

I hear ladies pantyhose pulled over your head is very effective. Also, when shopping in convenience stores you get a free stack of cash with every purchase!
 
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You just wait.

People will end up weakening their immune systems with all this bullshit. And after everyone’s system is weakened, it’ll set the stage for some REAL boogeyman virus shit. This stupidity is just getting started.
I would not worry about lowering your immune response if you wear PPE in areas with higher SARS-CoV-2 risk but expose yourself to the natural background otherwise. To the contrary, there is mounting evidence that SARS-CoV-2 may be able to suppress immune response via a receptor on T cells.
 
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I think there are a lot of people missing the point of wearing the mask.

for those commenting “I wash my hands”. Good. You should and we all should and as a general fact we all should be doing that normally and generally don’t.

the masks are to keep you from spreading it.
what makes COVID19 such an issue is it spreads easily and rapidly. The majority of the infected will have a minimal or no significant symptoms meaning they are likely to spread it with out realizing it.

as for number current CDC numbers as of April 14th place the death rate at 4.7%. About 26k deaths so far.
This illness has a high death rate than the flu. A longer recovery period than the flu and a high percentage of people who will require advanced medical treatment like ventilators.

social distancing in an effort to flatten the curve is not really about reducing those infected. Although it will. It’s primary goal is to reduce the speed of infection as to not overwhelm the medical system which is obviously already happening in major metro areas. And it is about reducing the transport of the disease into rural areas. The issue is the guy in a car wreck who would have lived but for all the resources tied up with a covid patient.

so far no one in my immediate family has come I’ll.
my mother’s best friend and her husband did he did not make it. A good friend of mine his aunt uncle and cousin in Maryland became ill. The uncle and cousin died the aunt survived.

the economics of this is hard. Yes! So will be hurt more than others.

but the social distancing and wearing PPE is not hard

the biggest irony are the loaner prepped types who havegenerally prepared for shit like this and generally don’t like people are bitching about staying away from people and putting on a simple mask if they chose to go in public. Damn
 
Let's see... It came out of a level 4 lab and these retards think a piece of T shirt material is going to stop it? Yup, might as well hide behind drywall in a gun fight. It's probably just as effective.
Particle filtration is a little more complex than terminal ballistics.

If one bullet makes it through the drywall, then every bullet of same construction, energy, and angle of incidence will also make it through the drywall (unless you hit a stud or something).

What do you think the "95" in N95 means? It is the percentage of retained particles with a mass median diameter of 0.3 micrometers in a certain test protocol.
Depending on how fast you breathe, how high the pathogen (or dust) concentration is, and how long you stay in that concentration, N95 may be overkill or not enough. (That's why I mentioned in a post above that I would use different levels of protection depending on the environment.)

If you have to improvise, just google the approximate rating for field improvised respirators and downgrade permissible concentration (distance from people) and duration accordingly. It's not rocket science either.
 
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People have such stupidly short memories these days it makes me wonder if I'm actually a human.

You may remember just like a month ago the Government telling everyone that masks really weren't all that effective and it was everyone's patriotic duty to not buy them but just leave them for the medical staff who use them as routine.

Now all of the sudden when the government has bought them all up / seized them.... Oh now you should wear them, or in some cases MUST wear them....

So ask the your overlords.... which one of their opposite statements was true?

Sheeple....