very generous of you, but i was joking.
i have a roll of blue shop towels, paper clips, tape, rubber hair bands and a stapler for making masks if needed.
i'm not poor as much as i am cheap.
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i have a roll of blue shop towels, paper clips, tape, rubber hair bands and a stapler for making masks if needed.
i'm not poor as much as i am cheap.
I have a strong feeling there are a lot of folks here and in the world as a whole, had they been aborted the titanic would have refused to enter a life boat simply because some one told them they had to and they themselves were not yet wet.
I did not listen to .gov when they said that mask don't work and when they changed their tune there was nothing I needed to listen to or obey. I simply did what I always do when I mess with nasty shit. Now, granted that's easier for me to understand after having worked both in chemical and bio labs. But I don't get that people wear a respirator when they are sanding, spray painting, or even lawn moving and then suddenly have a problem with wearing one because .gov suggested or required it.
The mask does not cost you your freedom. You not voting or voting for the wrong clowns did. And you not demanding your freedoms back one way or the other will keep it that way. The stupid mask has nothing to do with freedom but a lot with responsibility for yourself and your brothers/sisters.
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Funny that you mentioned it. I am probably one of the few people who listens to the safety briefings mandated by the USCG or FAA, looks for exits, survival tools, etc. Not because I am a sheep but because I know what a liability a mass of clueless people is and because I love my life. The sheep OTOH are mostly concerned about food and entertainment during these briefings.
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No mask if you ask me. The state I live in is full of mask nazi's though. Super Markets mandate them in my county.
If you are so fearful about contracting the virus stay home, "shelter in place" don't leave your house. Have you never heard of Amazon prime ? Next day shipping? The supermarkets in my area will deliver to your house. If you examine the mask nazi logic for wearing a mask it all becomes irrelevant if you stay home.
If you are so fearful about contracting the virus stay home, "shelter in place" don't leave your house. Have you never heard of Amazon prime ? Next day shipping? The supermarkets in my area will deliver to your house. If you examine the mask nazi logic for wearing a mask it all becomes irrelevant if you stay home.
Here a close one, bottom of page, for the low low price of $14.99: https://www.popumart.com/collections/face-shield?page=2
I don't wear a mask and to watch people at the stores shopping for their food they handle all the heads of lettuce, strawberries and what not and finally pick one after several minutes of handling the product, but don't worry they have their masks on to protect from spreading anything... RIGHT BS.
My issue is that unless you are wearing a CBN (or higher) rated mask, it's not doing a darn thing to prevent you from getting the virus. All these people out here acting like a dust mask is going to prevent you from inhaling a microscopic, highly contagious, genetically mutated virus. Newsflash: it's not. The only thing a dust mask will do is help prevent you from exhaling and spreading the virus into the air (and even then, it still isn't completely stopping you spreading the virus). Being a Biology major and having studied bacteriology and virology in depth is nice until you have to deal with everyone's lack of understanding of exactly how all of this works lol. Then it gets frustrating.
But remember the recommendation to wear the mask is not about self protection. It’s not being suggested as PPE but to minimize spread. Which you clearly stated earlier it would likely do. Prevent , no, limit/reduce yes which is ultimately all we are trying to do
The vast majority of this virus emanates from the respiratory track of an infected person via virus-laden droplets, not as individual viruses.
The virus itself is indeed very small. As small as a speck of pepper on a dinner plate if that dinner plate represents the cross section of one of your hairs.
However, the virus-laden droplets are big enough to be caught by P100, N95, and to some extent by surgical and even improvised masks. If that were not the case, we would see healthcare workers dropping like flies at the levels of concentration and duration they are exposed to.
The statement that a mask "it's not doing a darn thing" is simply wrong. In some cases the mask may not provide sufficient protection over a long period of time or a high pathogen concentration to prevent infection but even if it only reduced the amount of pathogen, it did something positive. Also, we do not only wear the mask against stuff going into us but also to trap stuff coming out of us in case we are asymptomatically infected.
Note: It maybe helpful to review what a virus is. It is a piece of genetic code (RNA or DNA) in a shell. The shell protects the virus 'code' from the environment and also allows the virus to attach to host cell receptors and breach the cell wall. Retro viruses have a couple more tricks in their bag. But viruses do not have arms, legs, wings, wheels, or cilia and cannot move by themselves. Strictly speaking, a virus is not even alive, it communicates genetically with living things. This genetic communication via viruses maybe essential for the evolution of life, even though laymen see viruses generally as threats. Modern medicine uses viruses as 'mini-syringes' for gene therapy.
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When I walk into a place, I make sure to keep with social distancing by loudly proclaiming "this will only take a minute!" lol
Gate guards don't really appreciate it but you can see it in their eyes that they are ready for the sweet release.
As for do I wear one? Not unless I am going to the PX or commissary, because the DOD is requiring it now. I don't know if the host govt is requiring them but most of the stuff here is closed and I do my shopping on base to avoid the added taxes. Personally I think it is stupid but I comply like a lil bitch because I need my drinky drinks.
(Also my apologies for the massive fuckin image lol no idea how to make that smaller because I'm a millennial boomer... a Milloomer)
I've never worn a mask for the flu, so I don't plan on doing it now. I used to ride in the back of dad's truck as a kid, but govt put a stop to that. So when they tell me I have to wear a mask "for the children" I suspect I will be wearing a fucking mask! I am so tired of the stupidity in this country, and not I'm not just talking about the WU Flu!
I fill like an ass for saying this, but I was kinda hoping this bug might be bad enough to straighten shit out.....even if it meant me being a statistic. And when I say that, I truly mean "for the children"! I knew from a young age I never wanted children and the older I get, the more I am glad I never brought a soul into this craziness! I am starting to understand the bitter old man complex, it's really just the people with a fucking brain!
But yeah, it's Friday, so looking forward to two days of playing on my 100 acres away from the drones! Even though it is snowing outside!
I fill like an ass for saying this, but I was kinda hoping this bug might be bad enough to straighten shit out.....even if it meant me being a statistic. And when I say that, I truly mean "for the children"! I knew from a young age I never wanted children and the older I get, the more I am glad I never brought a soul into this craziness! I am starting to understand the bitter old man complex, it's really just the people with a fucking brain!
But yeah, it's Friday, so looking forward to two days of playing on my 100 acres away from the drones! Even though it is snowing outside!
Do you have anything for butt wiping? I understand there is some confusion on front to back, and standing vs sitting!
No, the scatological concerns will need to be addressed by other Hide members.
I'm not wearing one because:
- I'm not afraid of getting the virus or dying from it, if it happens well then I guess I'm fucking unlucky and it was time to check out
- I don't cough or sneeze in public (if I actually get sick and have symptoms I will stay home like I always have)
- I stay away from people in general already due to a long held disdain for humanity
- I have been an obsessive hand washer most of my life to begin with
- I rarely if ever touch my face anyway (yes I've done the "experiments" to supposedly shoe how often we do it)
For the people who simply think the situation with COVID19 is completely over blown nonsense, I am curious. What would you need to see occur before you agreed this is a big deal.
I am sure in 1918 there were a lot of people who didn’t think anything of it till many in their family died.
I am also picturing the movie Armageddon. I am sure in that situation there would be a percentage of people who said nope no big deal this has happened before, unaware of what was going in space, and the. When the world didn’t end went see I told you over blown hype.
Original models had upwards of 500,000 Americans dying from this over about 1 year if no action was taken. Updated models supported upwards of 100,000 to 200,000 people dying if we took strong social distancing measures. This assumes no major breakthrough with pharmaceuticals which even if there was would likely take about a year to get into production.
it’s Mid April the first case reported in the US was end of January. So 2.5 months in 30k have died.
so again what would you need to see to believe that this is not just a normal avg flu bug and that it is something else.
and then I ask are you not seeing it because 1. You live in a generally low population area, or perhaps you yourself isn’t that socially connected. 2. Your just choosing not to see it?
I am not a doctor. I work in the legal field but work closely with the medical field. I have many friends who are doctors. No they are not jumping up and down screaming the end of the world. But they are VERY concerned with the numbers. The amount who have died already, the likelihood that they may contract this and the numbers of people who will require significant medical intervention to survive and the stress on the hospital system it is creating.
for those out of work because of this I am so sorry for their struggles. I know this is going to be brutal. I am very lucky right now both my wife and I still have full employment but depending on the length thisgoes on we both may not.
there wasn’t too many people who thrived as a result of the Great Depression. There were certain some who hunkered down and came out of it far ahead of others. But it was ideal for no one. This has the capacity to trigger another world wide depression. The benefit of that is very minimal only benefitting a few. There would have been other more controlled ways for them to benefit.
This isn’t a grand conspiracy.
This is an event that has been routinly spoken about since the 90s and here it is. There will be more in the future too.
I am sure in 1918 there were a lot of people who didn’t think anything of it till many in their family died.
I am also picturing the movie Armageddon. I am sure in that situation there would be a percentage of people who said nope no big deal this has happened before, unaware of what was going in space, and the. When the world didn’t end went see I told you over blown hype.
Original models had upwards of 500,000 Americans dying from this over about 1 year if no action was taken. Updated models supported upwards of 100,000 to 200,000 people dying if we took strong social distancing measures. This assumes no major breakthrough with pharmaceuticals which even if there was would likely take about a year to get into production.
it’s Mid April the first case reported in the US was end of January. So 2.5 months in 30k have died.
so again what would you need to see to believe that this is not just a normal avg flu bug and that it is something else.
and then I ask are you not seeing it because 1. You live in a generally low population area, or perhaps you yourself isn’t that socially connected. 2. Your just choosing not to see it?
I am not a doctor. I work in the legal field but work closely with the medical field. I have many friends who are doctors. No they are not jumping up and down screaming the end of the world. But they are VERY concerned with the numbers. The amount who have died already, the likelihood that they may contract this and the numbers of people who will require significant medical intervention to survive and the stress on the hospital system it is creating.
for those out of work because of this I am so sorry for their struggles. I know this is going to be brutal. I am very lucky right now both my wife and I still have full employment but depending on the length thisgoes on we both may not.
there wasn’t too many people who thrived as a result of the Great Depression. There were certain some who hunkered down and came out of it far ahead of others. But it was ideal for no one. This has the capacity to trigger another world wide depression. The benefit of that is very minimal only benefitting a few. There would have been other more controlled ways for them to benefit.
This isn’t a grand conspiracy.
This is an event that has been routinly spoken about since the 90s and here it is. There will be more in the future too.
Hell, I have been wearing the same mask for a month, and I haven't even used the other side, yet !
Couple of questions, do you think the population density of NYC is the same as rural Texas? Do you think the exact same measures should be enforced by the government in both locations?
Do you think that people that choose to quarantine/shelter themselves cannot do so unless ordered to by the government?
Do you think that something with an extremely low statistical risk of harming the majority of folks in the workforce should be a reason to force all those people into destitution?
Do you wear shoes, are you living in fear of stickers? Safety glasses, break lights, road cones, lines on the road, gloves, . Are these all examples of "people living in fear." Can we really not tell the difference between living in fear, and using safety equipment. If you think they are one in the same, you may just be waiting for your Darwin award.
The unfortunate fact of this virus, is people spread it before they know they are sick. I haven't been wearing a mask. I probably will start, at the store.
Whats the filtration rate of a leopard print padded bra?
The unfortunate fact of this virus, is people spread it before they know they are sick. I haven't been wearing a mask. I probably will start, at the store.
Whats the filtration rate of a leopard print padded bra?
Do you wear shoes, are you living in fear of stickers? Safety glasses, break lights, road cones, lines on the road, gloves, . Are these all examples of "people living in fear." Can we really not tell the difference between living in fear, and using safety equipment. If you think they are one in the same, you may just be waiting for your Darwin award.
The unfortunate fact of this virus, is people spread it before they know they are sick. I haven't been wearing a mask. I probably will start, at the store.
Whats the filtration rate of a leopard print padded bra?
I wear safety equipment when I feel it's appropriate, not when someone tells me to unless a specific condition of employment or doing business. My personal safety is my own decision. And before the "you're endangering everyone else" comments come flying: 1) Fuck everyone else, and 2) I am not running around symptomatic coughing on everyone. I need some hard proof on insane infection rates from just being the open and breathing if infected and asymptomatic before I'm buying into that line of thinking.
Also government heavy handedness and extreme overreach is not PPE...
I have substantially less issue with folks wearing masks when forced to be in closer quarters like grocery stores. I choose not to for the reasons I already stated.
I find it pants-on-head retarded when I see a couple walking or biking, etc. by themselves outdoors wearing masks (in a neighborhood, not walking to the grocery store).
This thread illustrates a perfect example of how easy it is to distract and deflect the US public.
Instead of focusing on just how ill prepared we are, on our unhealthy dependence on the chicoms, about real threats to voting rights and corruption and the shit getting dumped in these "stimulus" bills...here we are arguing about wearing a mask.
BTW, most realize that a bandanna or make-shift mask wont offer you the wearer much if any protection, but may help keep the spread under control if YOU are infected and dont know it...but carry on...
Instead of focusing on just how ill prepared we are, on our unhealthy dependence on the chicoms, about real threats to voting rights and corruption and the shit getting dumped in these "stimulus" bills...here we are arguing about wearing a mask.
BTW, most realize that a bandanna or make-shift mask wont offer you the wearer much if any protection, but may help keep the spread under control if YOU are infected and dont know it...but carry on...
this is just an example of lack of knowledge lack of education. This should be easy to correct. This is the type of behavior that a PSA is supposed to explain and stop
I watched someone leave Walmart and use their teeth to take off their gloves (Darwin) but then I thought about it. As an emergency responder I actually had someone years ago teach me how to put in and take offgloves properly.
"Fuck everyone else." What compelling argument. People like you are the reason people will demand it become a mandate and not a request. Why, because "fuck everyone else" and they will return the favor. They will say, there are too many fucktards, without an ounce of decency. Wont listen to anyone. Think they know better. We need a law!
And then the people that helped cause the above actions, are like. "Why do you people think we need all these laws?" Cause and effect, thanks Buddly. Think about what you do and how you effect your community. Everyone being a selfish baby is not taking us anywhere good.
Most all PPE is government mandated through OSHA.
"Wearing masks and making me stay home from the mall, I might as well be in the soviet Gulag." Thats what some of you sound like to me. I hear a valley girl accent when reading your comments. And assume you are siting in a nice house on a plush chair. And all I can do is laugh. I don't think you know poor or oppressed. There are much bigger fish that need fried than a mask mandate. We have multiple examples of alphabet agencies being used as political henchmen. Corruption treason, but lets worry about masks and going to the mall.
I think it was said before by @NY700
But it’s about “virus Density”
Almost any mask will allow virus through especially when not rubber or silicone sealed to a non hairy/shaven face.
Inhalation takes the path of lease resistance etc
The usefulness of any respiratory inlet/outlet (nose mouth) covering is to limit the airborne droplet size thus limiting the virus density
At a certain point the airborne droplets that are inhaled may not have the virus density needed to cause infection.
If virus density is not high enough the body’s own immune system (saliva, digestive tract, nose hairs acting as a filter), can with stand the attack.
That does not mean that most people are not idiots, wear the masks improperly etc.
That is why we are not to touch our face. The physical act of touching our face enables larger possible higher virus density droplets to our “inlets”. Those droplets would have fallen to the ground or surface, not traveled several feet while airborne dusting normal breathing rhythms.
Sneezing and coughing are a forceful expulsion of larger = higher density droplets etc.
Those higher density will over run the body’s natural defenses etc.
But it’s about “virus Density”
Almost any mask will allow virus through especially when not rubber or silicone sealed to a non hairy/shaven face.
Inhalation takes the path of lease resistance etc
The usefulness of any respiratory inlet/outlet (nose mouth) covering is to limit the airborne droplet size thus limiting the virus density
At a certain point the airborne droplets that are inhaled may not have the virus density needed to cause infection.
If virus density is not high enough the body’s own immune system (saliva, digestive tract, nose hairs acting as a filter), can with stand the attack.
That does not mean that most people are not idiots, wear the masks improperly etc.
That is why we are not to touch our face. The physical act of touching our face enables larger possible higher virus density droplets to our “inlets”. Those droplets would have fallen to the ground or surface, not traveled several feet while airborne dusting normal breathing rhythms.
Sneezing and coughing are a forceful expulsion of larger = higher density droplets etc.
Those higher density will over run the body’s natural defenses etc.
This is like a flood warning. I bet most people in this country at some point has had there area have a flood warning.
did you run? Did you stock up on stuff? Did you prepare your home? Did you have your family come inside?
at some point the water level started to rise. Maybe you could see it from where you stood maybe you couldn’t. Was there a point you decided if water gets to this spot we are out of here. Will it be too late by then. Will everyone else have done the same thing. Will the roads be clogged will you be stuck now that you want to leave.
we have all seen video of coast guard pulling peace off their roof. How many chances. How much time did that person originally have to simply leave but they decided to stay. Now other people are risking their lives to save them, because earlier it was too inconvenient for them to leave.
if this is a rising tide that once it breaches the damn it will cause severe destruction and people are asking you to do something simple like limit your contact and wear a mask to reduce the percentages. Why not. It’s literally not the hardest thing anyone has asked me to do this week.
now people having their jobs close. Yea the financial burden is huge. And from communication I’ve had with my clients, mortgage companies and car loan companies have been very flexible. My neighbor who is out of work right now made two calls and is mortgage was deferred interest free for three months and same for his car note
being part of a society comes with advantages and disadvantages. Clean running water and food on my plate. The safety of the greatest military force the world has ever known. Being asked to stay home and wear a mask when info out to help keep other people from getting sick because I may be a carrier and not know it. Yea I’m good with that
did you run? Did you stock up on stuff? Did you prepare your home? Did you have your family come inside?
at some point the water level started to rise. Maybe you could see it from where you stood maybe you couldn’t. Was there a point you decided if water gets to this spot we are out of here. Will it be too late by then. Will everyone else have done the same thing. Will the roads be clogged will you be stuck now that you want to leave.
we have all seen video of coast guard pulling peace off their roof. How many chances. How much time did that person originally have to simply leave but they decided to stay. Now other people are risking their lives to save them, because earlier it was too inconvenient for them to leave.
if this is a rising tide that once it breaches the damn it will cause severe destruction and people are asking you to do something simple like limit your contact and wear a mask to reduce the percentages. Why not. It’s literally not the hardest thing anyone has asked me to do this week.
now people having their jobs close. Yea the financial burden is huge. And from communication I’ve had with my clients, mortgage companies and car loan companies have been very flexible. My neighbor who is out of work right now made two calls and is mortgage was deferred interest free for three months and same for his car note
being part of a society comes with advantages and disadvantages. Clean running water and food on my plate. The safety of the greatest military force the world has ever known. Being asked to stay home and wear a mask when info out to help keep other people from getting sick because I may be a carrier and not know it. Yea I’m good with that
I you want long enough, plastic people with agendas will out their self's.
no but the painters mask will greatly reduce thespread of a person who is asymtamtic who then has a cough, a sneeze or even just speaks to someone and inadvertently spits (which we all do a little even if you don’t see it). Again the mask is to reducing giving it. Not so much to keep from getting it
This "thing", the virus, is as small as many other member of the corona virus family (~.12 μm). First corona virus was discovered around 1930, long before humans had the ability of effective gene manipulation to make specific bioweapons.
What we need to prevent is the inhalation and spreading of contaminated droplets. Think about loading a shotshell with pellets of different diameter and then firing this load over a lake to observe the spread of the pellets. For safety reasons, should you be more concerned about the furthest pellet or where the majority of the pellets land? Yes, ideally we would be completely out of range but if that isn't possible, I rather stay out of the bulk of the lead cloud and wear some stuff that prevents the pellets from entering my body.
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This thread is interesting. Again this is about masks not a question of economic realities and risks associated with the downturn in the economy.
but basically we end up with two camps.
I ain’t gonna do it because I think it’s dumb and no one is going to tell me what to do.
and, there appears to be some science supporting this that it may reduce infection rate and it’s really not a big deal or hassle so I will because it may help someone.
but basically we end up with two camps.
I ain’t gonna do it because I think it’s dumb and no one is going to tell me what to do.
and, there appears to be some science supporting this that it may reduce infection rate and it’s really not a big deal or hassle so I will because it may help someone.
who is projecting weakness. I’m making a simple decision to something very simple that may save a life.
your refusing because you don’t give a shit about someone you don’t know.
You and I don’t have the same definition of weakness
your body your choice is an incorrect argument.
If someone lined you up and was forcing you to take a vaccine than you are correct your body your choice. !!
mid someone was forcing you to wear a mask at home. Your body your choice absolutely!
you currently are choosing to be part of a society
No shoes no shirt no service. Societal rules in public establishment.
pandemic. If you wish to be in a group environment like a retail outlet you need to have shoes, clothes and a mask. That is not an example of my body my choice... oh my!
Wear a mask if you want to, dont demand that I do. End of story.
Seriously, these people welcoming this ridiculous, controlling bullshit should just move on over to noko or china, they’ll be much happier there.
You can call this a hoax if you are that naive. but when you look at the number of infections and deaths, it becomes pretty sobering, pretty fast. Until the medical community comes up witha permanent solution, I'm willing to at least try any reasonable suggestions, and if a mask will protect me from being infected by another person, that's a small price to pay. That said, if you want to be a defiant bad-ass and you are willing to risk your life and those around you(including your family), then have at it. It's all about personal choice, remember?
That also said, in Austin, we do not have a choice. Our elected prostitutes have ordered the wearing of masks by everyone under penalty of fines and jail time. Right or wrong, it is what it is.
That also said, in Austin, we do not have a choice. Our elected prostitutes have ordered the wearing of masks by everyone under penalty of fines and jail time. Right or wrong, it is what it is.
Ha!
bit honestly your analogy has merit but you need to reverse theaffected. Again the masks aren’t about you!
so keep the belts the helmet and the Hans.
but loosen all your lugnuts, run worn tires and remove any of the barriers between you and the fans. Because again these measures are about not hurting those around you.
I wear the mask not to infect my neighbor. They were the mask not to infect me
and as we know at this pointa huge percentage of those infected feel no symptoms. So they don’t know they may be infecting others
Guys...guys... we have over 7.5 Billion people on earth right now. Y’all mean to tell me we can’t afford to trim those numbers up a bit? End the nonsense and let people get back to work before you create bigger problems.
Just sayin...
Just sayin...
seriously help me understand.
How am I a pussy for taking an ounce of effort to help someone else. That’s what the mask is. Literally and oz or 2 in weight and when i go to the store I put it on. And in doing so I just may keep from spreading a virus that I may have and am not aware that I have because I am asymtimatic , and I may keep from passing it on to someone in the store who is at risk or (like me) May live with someone who is at risk.
my father in-law lives with me. He is a navy vet. He is end stage COPD and is on 4ltr of O2. Should I tell him he is a pussy too because he is thankful that my wife and i are taking the precautions we are to not infect him. As I am sure others are thankful that we wear a mask to not infect them
Yes, however the masks these people ore wearing are NOT effective. They are wearing scarves, pieces of cloth or bandanas. They don't stop spreading shit. Wake the hell up. Just wash your hands and you will be fine. If you have the virus, you shouldn't be out anyway.
I see 13,500 roughly dead from covid, not 26k.
Yes, however the masks these people ore wearing are NOT effective. They are wearing scarves, pieces of cloth or bandanas. They don't stop spreading shit. Wake the hell up. Just wash your hands and you will be fine. If you have the virus, you shouldn't be out anyway.
I see 13,500 roughly dead from covid, not 26k.
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.
View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.
If wearing a mask will open the economy back up, go for it. As said above not really effective. If the mask gives folks security, even false security, well let them have their comfort.
At some point we will have to decide if we want to live like this. Or if we are willing to take the risk's needed to survive. We are now all bio weapons to be feared. Does not sound like life to me.
At some point we will have to decide if we want to live like this. Or if we are willing to take the risk's needed to survive. We are now all bio weapons to be feared. Does not sound like life to me.
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