Pro or anti-mask?

[Doc68]

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) in the U.S.

View the number of confirmed cases COVID-19 in the United States.

www.cdc.gov

Well I stand corrected.

Still no worse than the normal flu. We still don't have a cure or vaccine for HIV, but we aren't cowering in fear of that or shutting the country down. Why you ask, because we take measures to lower our risk of exposure. Real measures, not putting a piece of cloth over our nose and mouth and think we are "protected".

 

[Doc68]

If wearing a mask will open the economy back up, go for it. As said above not really effective. If the mask gives folks security, even false security, well let them have their comfort.

At some point we will have to decide if we want to live like this. Or if we are willing to take the risk's needed to survive. We are now all bio weapons to be feared. Does not sound like life to me.

Or the world needs to stop acting like little pussies and realize people die from diseases.......

 

[Doc68]

You can call this a hoax if you are that naive. but when you look at the number of infections and deaths, it becomes pretty sobering, pretty fast. Until the medical community comes up witha permanent solution, I'm willing to at least try any reasonable suggestions, and if a mask will protect me from being infected by another person, that's a small price to pay. That said, if you want to be a defiant bad-ass and you are willing to risk your life and those around you(including your family), then have at it. It's all about personal choice, remember?

That also said, in Austin, we do not have a choice. Our elected prostitutes have ordered the wearing of masks by everyone under penalty of fines and jail time. Right or wrong, it is what it is.

Funny thing is we have a "vaccine" for the flu and we still have roughly 56k people die yearly....

 

[pmclaine]

Everyone worried about their health now but smoking butts, blowing a dube, driving high, triple rides through the Golden Corral Buffet line, never doing a push-up, never going for a walk...........'Merica!

Now it's ""Oh my God I'm going to die! Everyone else has to upset their lives to save me!"

 

[Doc68]

People die, we can't control who dies or who lives to a point. Being a paramedic and combat medic for 24 years now has shown me this. There is no amount of pleading that will change this.

Last year we had over 250k people die from just medical errors, we had 657k people die from heart disease, we had 600k die from cancer.

My point is that we don't freak out over these numbers. All of the sudden we get a "super flu" and because the media tells you to panic and stay in your house, you follow so quickly.

Where is the outrage over all these other deaths. Are they not equal also, do they not deserve to be panicked over either?

 

[M8541Reaper]

Yes, however the masks these people ore wearing are NOT effective. They are wearing scarves, pieces of cloth or bandanas. They don't stop spreading shit. Wake the hell up. Just wash your hands and you will be fine. If you have the virus, you shouldn't be out anyway.


I see 13,500 roughly dead from covid, not 26k.

Provisional COVID-19 Mortality Surveillance

National Center for Health Statistics

www.cdc.gov

I’m thinking back to the balled-up overly used N95 mask that my dept issued me. They said don’t throw it out cause we barely have any spares. So it was used for a year and then thrown out when I quit. If I had just listened to the moms on Facebook, I could have just used a folded t shirt or underwear mask that I got from Janet’s Etsy page.

This nonsense is piece of mind for the masses because the masses are idiots and can get rowdy if they aren’t given the occasional feel-good tip. The biggest contributor to the hysteria/outrage about all of this, compared to the previous “pandemics” or outbreaks, is the fact that social media is way more prevalent and gives every retard a voice.

 

[pmclaine]

Fauci himself said vaccines kill people. And they do.

People who by other means could have prevented getting the disease the vaccine is meant to inoculate against.

Where is Peolsi decrying if we could save just one life?

We practice death medicine instead of real prevention. Death food supply that kills you instead of healthy sustenance. Death all of it, and the big money grubbers that built it all charge you the last of your hard earned money to kill yourself with their system.

Look at the rates of obesity, cancer and heart disease since 1975 when the Senate select committee recommended what we should eat.

Designing a nutrition program around kickbacks to your favorite constituents does not promote health.


But "Corona Virus!"

Only thing I care about Corona Virus is if it is determined to be a deliberate, or fucked up, release someone needs to pay.

 

[BufordTJustice]

Neither pro nor anti mask. I wear a hood when I weld, a mask when I sand, and ear protection when I shoot. A seatbelt in the car and a helmet when I ride. Not sure businesses want me to wear a mask as a CHL holder. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[Aries256]

Pussies personified

Exactly!

 

[Wild dog]

 

[rlarsen462]

social media is way more prevalent and gives every retard a voice.

So, so, so true.

 

[Herb Stoner]

The mask idea is to protect others rather than one's self - big misunderstanding with many. A covering will somewhat limit dispersal of the virus exhaled. Far from perfect but does have some efficacy (unless they lift it up to sneeze!) Clearly the better designed masks like N95 do protect the wearer as well.
I'm mostly not wearing one unless the store requires it, etc. I'll put it on as I enter and remove when I exit.

The clueless paranoia I've seen exhibited by the local rabble lately is amazing.

 

[NY700]

The mask idea is to protect others rather than one's self - big misunderstanding with many. A covering will somewhat limit dispersal of the virus exhaled. Far from perfect but does have some efficacy (unless they lift it up to sneeze!) Clearly the better designed masks like N95 do protect the wearer as well.
I'm mostly not wearing one unless the store requires it, etc. I'll put it on as I enter and remove when I exit.

The clueless paranoia I've seen exhibited by the local rabble lately is amazing.

herb such a reasonable response. It’s not a big deal. It has been shown to help some, so ok. Sounds good!

 

[wade2big]

If you are healthy this virus is nothing. A statisticaly insignificant percentage of healthy people have complications and or die from this. Fact. The numbers are out. Been out since the start. Most are too ignorant to look or too stupid to understand. sheep.

 

[NY700]

If you are healthy this virus is nothing. A statisticaly insignificant percentage of healthy people have complications and or die from this. Fact. The numbers are out. Been out since the start. Most are too ignorant to look or too stupid to understand. sheep.

wade unfortunately you seemed to have ignored a major component of that statistic because you are absolutely correct. The largest issue here with COVID19 more so thannother viruses. Most people are fine they recover fine and a huge percentage of those people do not experience symptoms to a level that makes them feel sick. They in turn infect lots of other people. The typical flu patient infects Less than 1.5 other people. COVID at the start prior to social distancing was clocking close to 3 other people getting infected.

that one infect three. What % of that three have an issue. That new three infect 9. What percent of that 9 may have an issue.

 

[rlarsen462]

wade unfortunately you seemed to have ignored a major component of that statistic because you are absolutely correct. The largest issue here with COVID19 more so thannother viruses. Most people are fine they recover fine and a huge percentage of those people do not experience symptoms to a level that makes them feel sick. They in turn infect lots of other people. The typical flu patient infects Less than 1.5 other people. COVID at the start prior to social distancing was clocking close to 3 other people getting infected.

that one infect three. What % of that three have an issue. That new three infect 9. What percent of that 9 may have an issue.

I am assuming the data is out there, but have they actually demonstrated how all these asymptomatic people are spreading the virus so handily? If you are asymptomatic you aren't coughing, sneezing, etc. In theory you can have R0 numbers that differ by the type of spreader/symptoms they are experience, no? I am not an epidemiologist by any means, but it seems pretty obvious that someone doing nothing but breathing and potentially touching common surfaces is going to distribute infectious particles at a much lower rate and smaller radius than someone hacking and sneezing?

 

[wade2big]

wade unfortunately you seemed to have ignored a major component of that statistic because you are absolutely correct. The largest issue here with COVID19 more so thannother viruses. Most people are fine they recover fine and a huge percentage of those people do not experience symptoms to a level that makes them feel sick. They in turn infect lots of other people. The typical flu patient infects Less than 1.5 other people. COVID at the start prior to social distancing was clocking close to 3 other people getting infected.

that one infect three. What % of that three have an issue. That new three infect 9. What percent of that 9 may have an issue.

I see it written that this virus spreads more rapidly and easily than influenza. The numbers here and the numbers worldwide show otherwise. Flu is contracted worldwide by a billion. This virus isnt even close. It is 1000 times lower by the numbers as of now. I’m sure the real infection rate is much more which would decrease the lethality by percentage substantially. It would be less scary so they just make shit up.

 

[Jefe's Dope]

and the limp dick horse you rode up on.

Did you have to bring the poor horse's erectile disfunction into this? He's a gelding for Christ's sake! ?

 

[Jefe's Dope]

Do you have anything for butt wiping? I understand there is some confusion on front to back, and standing vs sitting!

Left hand for wiping, right hand for eating. ?

 

[theLBC]

wade unfortunately you seemed to have ignored a major component of that statistic because you are absolutely correct. The largest issue here with COVID19 more so thannother viruses. Most people are fine they recover fine and a huge percentage of those people do not experience symptoms to a level that makes them feel sick. They in turn infect lots of other people. The typical flu patient infects Less than 1.5 other people. COVID at the start prior to social distancing was clocking close to 3 other people getting infected.

that one infect three. What % of that three have an issue. That new three infect 9. What percent of that 9 may have an issue.

i think the R0 is one of the harder things to figure. What is the R0 in Wyoming compared to NYC.
trying to figure out this using numbers from NY where 4.3 million folks ride the subway daily for an average commute of 47 minutes seems like this would inflate that figure (compared to what it would be nationwide).

of course it couldn't help that NY health authorities and politicians urged everyone to ride the subways and buses like nothing was wrong.

 

[GrayRyder]

On this forum there's a mighty fine line between safety and subjugation. Or maybe there isn't.

 

[theLBC]

On this forum there's a mighty fine line between safety and subjugation. Or maybe there isn't.

imo, while acknowledging the authoritarian nature of the orders, seems a bit over the top to call people sheep for this small consideration.
i don't want to wear a mask, but i will if it will make others feel more safe.

 

[M8541Reaper]

I was at the store today and they had the 6’ markings on the floor, which people stood on while waiting in line. Everyone had masks too. Great, right? Well they maintained the 6’ offset front to rear...but side to side they could put elbows into other’s armpits. Good thing the virus can only travel forward/aft of the carrier lol.

 

[Doc68]

Left hand for wiping, right hand for eating. ?

What about us lefty's

 

[TxDerek]

My wife and I have been wearing face shields that we have been producing for medical facilities. Not masks though. We don't watch the news or read the random fb stories. Going off of purely information from the medical facilities that we are supplying, the medical community is very scared. There isn't supply of ppe (personal protective equipment) for almost any facility. We have made almost 10k shields in the last 2 weeks and I don't see it slowing down. What the news and media is apparently saying isn't on line with what we're hearing from all of these first responders at all. I'm not saying that everyone should believe me. I think that everyone should just be aware that we should never be 100 percent in belief of one side of anything.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

If you live in a shithole with over 25K fucks it should be mandatory you have to wear a mask anytime your outside. Or if there has been more than 2 fucks in the same home ae nopt wort the same time within the last 72 hrs. The fucking I'm better than everyone crowd that live in what city's have caused op plan C-19 to work as werll as it has. Interesting when it goes to shit how they always what others to bail their motherfucking ass out. They are no better than the fucks who live on the coast their play house gets fucked over my mother nature, yet they want me an everyone else to help them out. Then once everything is back to normal, fuck we I have a house on XXX dirt, that makes me better than you,...
Fucking plastic people, are not worth the O2. Let the big citys fucking burn to the ground the country would be better off w/o them in the first place, as they are nothing but full of FSA or plastic types,...

 

[NY700]

I am assuming the data is out there, but have they actually demonstrated how all these asymptomatic people are spreading the virus so handily? If you are asymptomatic you aren't coughing, sneezing, etc. In theory you can have R0 numbers that differ by the type of spreader/symptoms they are experience, no? I am not an epidemiologist by any means, but it seems pretty obvious that someone doing nothing but breathing and potentially touching common surfaces is going to distribute infectious particles at a much lower rate and smaller radius than someone hacking and sneezing?

i would think your interpretation of that is probably spot on. Obviously there is a lot of research still needing to be done. Does an asymptomatic individual sweating on gym equipment leavbehind virus that can contaminate? How much is released through normal exhaling. Does an asymtimatic individual with allergies pass it in when they sneeze?

 

[Jefe's Dope]

What about us lefty's

Be VERY careful. ?

 

[Rthur]

R

 

[Harleystoo]

The numbers on the deaths are cooked. The vast majority who have pasted had pre-existing conditions.
I wear a mask because I like to play "Cowboys and Indians".

 

[theLBC]

well, i went to the store for the first time in 3 weeks and first time since this mask stuff.
luckily a friend sent me a few masks.
sure enough, everyone at the grocery store was wearing masks and the store was doing station cleanups every hour.

as i said, i didn't want to wear one, but actually i think i look much better wearing one.

 

[Blue Sky Country]

I wear an N95 when I go out. Commuting to work, or just grocery shopping.

On my own free will too. Not because of some media or government agency's "advice", but because of logic and scientific facts. I have actually started wearing one for all outdoor excursions since "Patient Zero" in the tri-state region had been "announced". Once again... masturbation hand motion.gif... That shit has already spread widely here when the "first" case had been publicized. Almost the entire Asian community here started wearing masks en masse since the first reports of the Wuhan outbreak reached here.

N95's DO provide solid and proven protection against a variety of airborne particulate nasties when they are used PROPERLY. And over here in the great melting pot that is New York City, "social distancing" means different things to different people. That is to say, that the range of people actually practicing healthy and logical social distancing procedures in the stores, on the streets, or in the subways are about 30% to 0%. Hence why I wear the mask. Yes, COVID-19 produces "mild" cases in about 97% of the infected and yes, most of these "mild" case eventually recover on their own without advanced and invasive treatments needed. However, a "mild" case of COVID is still a fucking brutal and overwhelming affair. Even those who fully recover without long term complications have gotten the living daylights beaten out of them by this thing. I do NOT want to catch it and I certainly do NOT want to bring that shit into my home.

So what does it mean to wear a N95, or surgical mask PROPERLY?

You put the upper rubber band over the top of your ears just like eyeglasses, and the lower rubber band on your neck right below the base of your skull to ensure that even pressure is being exerted by these rubber bands to keep the cup of the mask flush against the skin of your face.

When you take it off, you grip the VERY OUTER EDGES of the rim of the mask on both sides, and lift the thing over your face and head until the rubber bands clear your head. DO NOT touch the front of the mask and then touch your face or another object. If there are viral particles trapped or clinging to the outer surface of the mask cup, you WILL contaminate anything you touched after you touch this part. And just as importantly, you do NOT let the front part of that mask touch anything as you are putting it on or taking it off, including your face. Taking a lunch break at work, and you are taking your mask off for half an hour to eat? Put a clean napkin on the table or chair next to you and rest the mask on the napkin, FRONT SIDE UP. Done with your break and putting the mask back on? Hold the rubber bands, bow your head, and fit the bands over your head while keeping the mask's outer side AWAY from you. The mask should be over the top of your head as you are fitting the straps. Once the bands are over your head, slide the mask over your face until you get the snug fit that you are looking for.

For any reason, are you reusing the mask for a few shifts or a couple of days? N95's are technically supposed to be disposable, and discarded after one use. However, this is a hectic time in our society. Shit happens, supply chains and retail chains get overwhelmed, therefore some people just do not have the luxury of changing out a clean mask every time they venture out. In this case, N95's will be perfectly useable for a few times, proven that care is taken to:

A: Avoid contamination of your body or another object by the potentially soiled outer side of the mask. Refer to the passage two "paragraphs" up from this sentence to know how to avoid contaminating yourself or other things when putting the mask on, storing it, or taking it off.

B: The structural integrity of the mask itself does not deteriorate and cease to provide you adequate protection.

DO. NOT. EVER. try to sanitize the front of the mask using alcohol or ANY other chemical solvent. Experiments have been done showing what alcohol and other solvents can do to the highly intricate and fragile fibers that are tightly woven into the mask that can filter out particles that are as small as 0.03 microns. Solvents will cause these fibers to break and split, weakening the integrity of the mask and causing multiple holes to open up in the material that you cannot see, but is more than enough for dangers to slip through. You do NOT want that to happen. Only very, very recently, well into the COVID-19 pandemic, have technology been developed that allow for the disinfection of face masks via a UV light source under CONTROLLED settings inside a metal box. For those of us who do not have access to this technology, the best way to "disinfect" a face mask is simply hang it in a location that allows for ample airflow and breezes. Dry and moving air does not kill viruses on contact, but over a period of time, it will neutralize a good portion of infectious agents present on the material.

One more thing regarding surgical masks... Right now, as the market for items like masks are just barely starting to recover and some retailers beginning to see backorders being filled, surgical masks are the first thing to become readily available again. Are these the same grade as N95's? Absolutely not. HOWEVER, a surgical mask is still capable of providing the wearer up to 60% of filtration of airborne infectious agents. 60% is still an awful lot compared to the less than 40% that homemade cotton shirt masks provide, or the 0% from not wearing a mask at all. If you want to increase the efficiency of a surgical mask, DOUBLE or TRIPLE them. Using a hot glue gun, apply a few dabs on the EDGES of the masks and press them together. They will not offer up to 99% filtration that a properly fitted N95 will provide, but doubled or tripled surgical masks will still be a potent protection tool, possibly even up to 90% filtration, once again if worn PROPERLY and proper care is taken to prevent contamination.

 

[GrayRyder]

^^^^^^
Thanks a lot for posting this Blue Sky.

 

[Doctorwho1138]

I haven’t worn a mask and don’t plan to but I don’t go anywhere except for the range where there is more social distancing than most people will ever have in their lives. My wife has a currier bring everything to my house and everything gets Lysol sprayed and sits before it gets into the house. I am sick of it honestly. You aren’t going to stop this thing. The virus will still be out there a year from now. Where does it all end? The initial idea went from lowering the curve to stopping everyone from being infected. It’s total lunacy out there.

 

[Smith10mm]

don't wear one because I'm pretty sure I already got it along with hundreds of millions of other people. I just plane don't buy into the media hype...

 

[Rlandry]

Left hand for wiping, right hand for eating. ?

That's the way the towel heads do it and then have the balls to say bacon is dirty. Result of centuries of inbreeding.

 

[deersniper]

I you want long enough, plastic people with agendas will out their self's.

Amen. 580 posts since 2009. 80? of them are in this thread pushing bs.

 

[missed]

No mask. Only a MASSIVE false sense of security that can only be replaced by either proper fitting masks. PPE is always the LAST line of defense to protect someone from something. Management controls (social distancing, isolation when sick...) and engineered controls ( sanitation, ventilation.....)

#1 repository protection per the OSHA standards requires fit test, clean shaven, you have to know how to take it off, and how to wear it. The mask must also meet certain standards N95....

So now we have a bunch of people running around with makeshift masks thinking they are protected and or can not spread the virus if they are contagious. So now since there using the last line of defense, there going to ignore the management and engineered controls. Breathing contaminate into the mask which they handle, many times without gloves and or washing hands, then go touch things. Exactly the way this shit could blow right back up.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Amen. 580 posts since 2009. 80? of them are in this thread pushing bs.

Yep, interesting ain't it?
There are other sleepers here as well,...

 

[308pirate]

Forgot to mention another issue:

The progression of the majority of infectious diseases depends also on the amount of pathogen you get initially infected with. Think about the difference of 1000 or 1000000 infected people entering a 'healthy' country.

So even if a bandanna is not as good as an N95 mask it is still better than nothing both for probability of getting infected as well as for the disease progression if something slips by.

Get the fuck out of here.

 

[308pirate]

This is like a flood warning. I bet most people in this country at some point has had there area have a flood warning.

did you run? Did you stock up on stuff? Did you prepare your home? Did you have your family come inside?

at some point the water level started to rise. Maybe you could see it from where you stood maybe you couldn’t. Was there a point you decided if water gets to this spot we are out of here. Will it be too late by then. Will everyone else have done the same thing. Will the roads be clogged will you be stuck now that you want to leave.

we have all seen video of coast guard pulling peace off their roof. How many chances. How much time did that person originally have to simply leave but they decided to stay. Now other people are risking their lives to save them, because earlier it was too inconvenient for them to leave.

if this is a rising tide that once it breaches the damn it will cause severe destruction and people are asking you to do something simple like limit your contact and wear a mask to reduce the percentages. Why not. It’s literally not the hardest thing anyone has asked me to do this week.

now people having their jobs close. Yea the financial burden is huge. And from communication I’ve had with my clients, mortgage companies and car loan companies have been very flexible. My neighbor who is out of work right now made two calls and is mortgage was deferred interest free for three months and same for his car note

being part of a society comes with advantages and disadvantages. Clean running water and food on my plate. The safety of the greatest military force the world has ever known. Being asked to stay home and wear a mask when info out to help keep other people from getting sick because I may be a carrier and not know it. Yea I’m good with that

Go fuck yourself

I won't wear one and I will hurt anyone who tries to make me.

 

[308pirate]

wade unfortunately you seemed to have ignored a major component of that statistic because you are absolutely correct. The largest issue here with COVID19 more so thannother viruses. Most people are fine they recover fine and a huge percentage of those people do not experience symptoms to a level that makes them feel sick. They in turn infect lots of other people. The typical flu patient infects Less than 1.5 other people. COVID at the start prior to social distancing was clocking close to 3 other people getting infected.

that one infect three. What % of that three have an issue. That new three infect 9. What percent of that 9 may have an issue.

How long does your highness thinks we should wear masks?

 

[alpine44]

Get the fuck out of here.

Go fuck yourself

I won't wear one and I will hurt anyone who tries to make me.

Wow, you learned fast from the rabid, progressive Left. When you run out of valid arguments, just squash the dissent. The recipe of those who think that their 'wisdom' supersedes other people's opinions and rights.

 

[Snuby642]

Lock up the old and vulnerable people and those that volunteer to take care of them.


Strait up waste a muther fucker for trying that on me you disrespectfull shit. Who the fuck you think you are?

 

[308pirate]

Wow, you learned fast from the rabid, progressive Left. When you run out of valid arguments, just squash the dissent. The recipe of those who think that their 'wisdom' supersedes other people's opinions and rights.

Other peoples' rights? Which ones would those be?

 

[308pirate]

Several grocery stores in my area won’t let you in without a face covering.
So I put on a black bandana mask, black backwards cap and black sunglasses.
You sure you want me wearing a mask? lol
?

Are they physically stopping people? Because that's the only one someone is going to stop me and that's going to be a costly move.

 

[308pirate]

I would not worry about lowering your immune response if you wear PPE in areas with higher SARS-CoV-2 risk but expose yourself to the natural background otherwise. To the contrary, there is mounting evidence that SARS-CoV-2 may be able to suppress immune response via a receptor on T cells.

Wow, we have an internet phd on the hide

 

[308pirate]

your body your choice is an incorrect argument.
If someone lined you up and was forcing you to take a vaccine than you are correct your body your choice. !!

mid someone was forcing you to wear a mask at home. Your body your choice absolutely!

you currently are choosing to be part of a society
No shoes no shirt no service. Societal rules in public establishment.

pandemic. If you wish to be in a group environment like a retail outlet you need to have shoes, clothes and a mask. That is not an example of my body my choice... oh my!

LOL, who's going to enforce your writ asshole?

 

[Autonomous]

If you don't want to get sick then make your own boy in a bubble suit and confine yourself to it.

Don't project your weakness upon others.

concurs!!!

 

[Autonomous]

Are they physically stopping people? Because that's the only one someone is going to stop me and that's going to be a costly move.