PWS MK214

[John_in_WYO]

Re: PWS MK214

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DMack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I needed an AR platform that was "Anvil Tough and Swiss Watch Reliable" that was able to make a cold bore "T-Zone" shot from arms length out to 150 or 200 yards.

Why so short of a distance? Well, my intended use is the Law Enforcement arena. As a Law Enforcement Marksman, I may be called upon to make a cold bore cranial vault shot in a hostage situation... or a barricaded subject scenario. If the suspect is holding an innocent hostage at gunpoint, I need to be one hundred percent certain that I can completely shut that subject down, without fear of a sympathetic shot, harming the hostage.

I chose to try an AR platform. I wanted a short barrel, with enough velocity to penetrate barriers easily, and hold enough accuracy for a T-Zone shot out to 200 yards. The short barrel and collapsible stock would make getting in and out of the Bear Cat a lot easier, and also make rappelling easier.

So, enter the MK214. I went with the 14.5" barrel, to retain decent muzzle velocity...
So, stay tuned... much more to follow. </div></div>

DMack,

The above (snipped)quote from the first post in this thread got my attention.

I've read the entire 8 page thread and if it's in there, I missed it.

"IT" being photos of paper or steel targets shot at 50-200 yards with 168-175 grain ammo and all rounds in the T-zone.

So will the rifle and scope combo you have achieve what you were looking for? Or not?

Your review got a bit side-tracked with LR steel shooting. Great shooting and nice rifle, but I'm still waiting to find out if the rifle/scope combo will deliver the precision goods at 50-200 yards.

I would love to see some pics of groups that represent what you were first looking to explore. It's more in line with my potential needs for the rifle. I'm trying to decide between the LMT/PWS. Based on your review, I'm liking what I see with PWS.

Can you help a brother out?

Thanks,

John

 

[John_in_WYO]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DMack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">At typical LE engagement distances, this rifle is unstoppable. I consistently nail T-Zone hits out to 200 yards with ease. </div></div>

Went backwards from page 8 and Okay, I found "IT".
It would still be nice to have some pics of representative groups... (hint)

thanks.

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

John, my apologies... I am in St. Croix this week for training. This rifle in my configuration will make those shots with ease. When I get back, I will post some pictures of the targetry so you can see.

Cheers

 

[OS3]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DMack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">John, my apologies... I am in St. Croix this week for training.

Cheers
</div></div>
Really? I have GOT to switch commands!

 

[iswis]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

New guy here. I have been lurking on this particular topic here for a while now because I have shortlisted the PWS MK200 series (the MK216 in particular) as a rifle I’m interesting in getting in the near future. This topic started by DMack has been very informative.

I decided on the 7.62mm because I want a rifle that can deliver a bigger punch than the standard 5.56mm and should also be sufficient if the SHTF. I shortlisted the PWS MK216 in particular because stat-wise it seems lighter and my familiarity with the M-16 series when I was in the military. The rifle looks good (I like the FDE one) and I like that I read that it’s seems very reliable and built very solidly. I’ll be a recreational shooter (I’m not going to war with it, LOL) but would like to brush up on my rifle shooting skills and be a little better. Recoil from a 7.62 was an concern from me, but from reading the thread, sounds like the MK200’s recoil is very manageable for a big caliber thus another + for PWS and staying with the 7.62.

I do have a few questions that I hope can be answered:

DMack, you have a lot of praises for your MK214 however you did mention that it isn’t always the easiest shooting rifle. Can you elaborate further what you mean by that?

Ron Pogi, I’ve seen your photos of your MK216 and have noticed that the photos you posted late last year had the Phase 5 Tactical Extended Bolt Release.V2 308 on it. Then I noticed that some newer photos you posted early this year shows what looks like the Magpul B.A.D. Lever on it now. If I get the PWS Mk216, an Extended Bolt Release (I’ll generically refer to this piece as an EBR) is a must for me because I don’t like doing the AR hand gymnastics when locking the bolt back. So I like to know did the Phase 5 EBR work on your MK216? Why did you switch it to the Magpul version? I thought the Magpul B.A.D. was not made for 7.62 ARs?

I also noticed that both DMack and Ron have mentioned that they run Geissele triggers. I have also noticed that they have the KNS Anti Walk Pins installed. I have read that Geissele does not recommended using KNS or any other anti walk pins on their triggers. Since you guys have the KNS pins on you rifles, have either of you had any issues with the trigger or pin? Is it even necessary or recommended to have the pins on?

I look forward to hearing any feedback.

 

[tjlayzer]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

DMack,new guy here as well. So far I'm impressed with the PWS MK 2 series rifles and what you have put it through. Do you know if PWS would ever come out with a longer barrel like in 18" ? Thanks.

 

[truth]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tjlayzer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DMack,new guy here as well. So far I'm impressed with the PWS MK 2 series rifles and what you have put it through. Do you know if PWS would ever come out with a longer barrel like in 18" ? Thanks.
</div></div>

What for? You're not losing much velocity compared to a 16" and it's not the best platform for shooting from a bipod with the rail design / lack of a free floating barrel.

 

[RonPogi]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

Iiswis,

The extended bolt release EBRV2 is very nice and I have no problem about functionality bad issues except I changed it to magpul BAD lever for weight issues, the EBR is a little bit heavy for me they are all metal in one piece. The magpul BAD lever is very light and this design is for an r15 not for ar10, but you really need to modify just to fit the 308 rifle. BAD lever is good for bench and prone shooting target but if you gonna use your rifle for running, engaging in CQB practice you have to be very careful using the extended or BAD lever as some guys have issues slipping their finger accidentally engaging the lever. No question about Geissele , it's a very very good trigger.

 

[RonPogi]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tjlayzer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">DMack,new guy here as well. So far I'm impressed with the PWS MK 2 series rifles and what you have put it through. Do you know if PWS would ever come out with a longer barrel like in 18" ? Thanks.
</div></div>

MK216 is 16" barrel + 3" PRC muzzle break = 18.5" when you installed, less .5" for threading, fair enough for me, hope this will help

 

[RonPogi]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

Iswis,
About the KNS Anti walk pin I have no issues since when I installed this but honesty I bought this before the Geisselle trigger. The pin of geisselle trigger is very tough and very smooth I think you don't need KNS anti walk pin for my opinion but because I had it before I bought the Geisselle I have no choice but to put the KNS (looks cool lol!) make your rifle look tough lol! but no issues about KNS or no KNS.

 

[iswis]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

Thanks Ron for the feedback. Can you go into detail on what modifications you did with the Magpul BAD to make it work on your Mk216?

I also agree that the KNS Pins does make any AR rifle look bad ass. LOL.

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

Howdy all... I'm back from St. Croix after a LONG week of training. I have read through some of the latest posts, and let me see if I can hit the high points.

I have always said that the MK214 does everything well. It was never designed as a "precision rifle" but it has more than enough accuracy to work well within the realm of law enforcement... 600 yards and in. It will not hang with the likes of the GAP-10 out past 600 yards, with any surgical precision, but the rifle was never designed to do that.

What I meant by this being a difficult rifle to run, was the way mine is configured, it has a very narrow balance point when on the bipods. In other words, the muzzle is very touchy, and any breathing can be seen in the optics. This is in part, due to the short barrel, short rails, and the fact that you have to shoot with a neutral loading on the bipods.

This rifle (at least mine) is sensitive to follow through. I have found that I throw rounds, if I don't let the rifle do what the rifle wants to do. I consciously HOLD the trigger to the rear, and let the rifle settle before resetting the trigger. This is done in micro seconds, but I actually visualize the process and the shots are repeatable. If I let my mind wander, then invariably I will throw a shot.

My MK2 is also sensitive to bolt lock back on an empty chamber. I don't know if all of them are like this, but mine is. It will always induce a flyer... no idea why, but it does. I work past this by not letting the bolt lock back on an empty chamber if I am working for accuracy.

Anti Roll / Anti Walk pins.

Ok... yes, Mr. G does not recommend these pins with his triggers. However, since I spec'd my rifle to come from PWS with the Geissele SD-E trigger, they assembled it at PWS, and used the KNS pins. I didn't ask for them, and they have not had a single spec of issues. In fact, my SD-E in my MK214 breaks cleaner and lighter than the SD-E that is in my White Oak 20" 5.56 SPR. The White Oak (using a PWS lower) does not have the KNS pins in it.

Hope this helps...

I am now running the Bushnell HDMR 3.5-21 on the MK214 for a while. This one has a 34mm tube, and the G2DMR reticle. I will put some time on this glass, and then move my US Optics 1.8-10 back to my MK214. I feel that the USO SN3 TPAL / EREK 1.8-10 is the PERFECT compliment to the MK2 series rifle. I just want to get some time behind this new Bushnell and see how it does.

Cheers!

DMack

 

[iswis]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

Thanks for the feedback.

I had a chance to hold a Mk216 at a local gun shop recently. I really like how it feels and it's true that it seems lighter than what it really is. So now that I had a chance to hold one and confirm that I like the ergonomics, I'm hoping in the near future I'll get to shoot one soon (with a fellow Sniper's Hide forum member who has one). That should be the final hurdle for me to make my final decision as I have to know how this weapon feels when fired (the felt recoil).

I must say though I'm leaning closer and closer to the Mk216...

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

I will be doing some T-Zone shots tomorrow on the range with Battle Axe... I will make sure to get some pictures and maybe even some video. Stay tuned...

 

[John_in_WYO]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

Looking forward to it.
Thanks.

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

As luck would have it, I didn't get to shoot yesterday. The small 850 yard range we use was uber crowded, and BATTLEAXE had to get his GAP-10 and his HRT dialed in... So, had to perform Spotter duties.

Raincheck.

 

[BattleAxe]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DMack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As luck would have it, I didn't get to shoot yesterday. The small 850 yard range we use was uber crowded, and BATTLEAXE had to get his GAP-10 and his HRT dialed in... So, had to perform Spotter duties.

Raincheck. </div></div>

....that and there was a range qual going on so we couldn't shoot short-to-mid range. Got plenty of t-zone shots with the GAP twins from 600-850 though so all was not lost

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214 ----- NATO or Winchester?

Brother, that was the SWEETEST rapid fire, ten round string of hits on steel at Eight Fiddy that I have ever seen. I just wish I had that on video... I think you blew those dudes minds! That GAP Ten shoots...

 

[Carlos Armas]

Re: PWS MK214

what kind of ft/s speed are you getting out of those loads?

 

[Carlos Armas]

Re: PWS MK214

John, I picked up a Mk214 based on DMack's recommendation, I only shot about 2-3K rounds a year, I'm here to tell to the Mk114 is accurate, from a distance of 50 -100 yds you're going to get sub to 1MOA with the right match ammo, I had it out today and I was able to get 2.5" grouping at 200 yds. It's a very good battle rifle that is accurate. I hope this helps. DMack will have a lot more to say I'm sure on the topic.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: John in WYO</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DMack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I needed an AR platform that was "Anvil Tough and Swiss Watch Reliable" that was able to make a cold bore "T-Zone" shot from arms length out to 150 or 200 yards.

Why so short of a distance? Well, my intended use is the Law Enforcement arena. As a Law Enforcement Marksman, I may be called upon to make a cold bore cranial vault shot in a hostage situation... or a barricaded subject scenario. If the suspect is holding an innocent hostage at gunpoint, I need to be one hundred percent certain that I can completely shut that subject down, without fear of a sympathetic shot, harming the hostage.

I chose to try an AR platform. I wanted a short barrel, with enough velocity to penetrate barriers easily, and hold enough accuracy for a T-Zone shot out to 200 yards. The short barrel and collapsible stock would make getting in and out of the Bear Cat a lot easier, and also make rappelling easier.

So, enter the MK214. I went with the 14.5" barrel, to retain decent muzzle velocity...
So, stay tuned... much more to follow. </div></div>

DMack,

The above (snipped)quote from the first post in this thread got my attention.

I've read the entire 8 page thread and if it's in there, I missed it.

"IT" being photos of paper or steel targets shot at 50-200 yards with 168-175 grain ammo and all rounds in the T-zone.

So will the rifle and scope combo you have achieve what you were looking for? Or not?

Your review got a bit side-tracked with LR steel shooting. Great shooting and nice rifle, but I'm still waiting to find out if the rifle/scope combo will deliver the precision goods at 50-200 yards.

I would love to see some pics of groups that represent what you were first looking to explore. It's more in line with my potential needs for the rifle. I'm trying to decide between the LMT/PWS. Based on your review, I'm liking what I see with PWS.

Can you help a brother out?

Thanks,

John </div></div>

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214

Los... the last time I chrono'd some 175 SMK 7.62x51 it was an average of 2480 FPS in hot, humid, Florida weather. I'm sure you could tweak a few extra FPS out of it with hand loads...

 

[RonPogi]

Re: PWS MK214

Range Report update : PWS MK216 Hornady 150 FMJ-BT RL15- 43.9gr COAL - 2.715....Rifle Scope : Trijicon Accupoint 5-20x50mm

@375 yards 2 hits center and 1 flyer

@175 yards 12-15 inches tall and 1" wide

 

[kevinchen912]

Re: PWS MK214

great post

 

[Turk]

Re: PWS MK214

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kevin Chen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">great post </div></div>
I'll bet you don't make it to 100 posts!!!

 

[truth]

Re: PWS MK214

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Turk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kevin Chen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">great post </div></div>
I'll bet you don't make it to 100 posts!!!</div></div>

great post

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214

Got a few rounds through the MK214 today, using the Bushnell HDMR 3.5-21 with the G2DMR reticle. I must say, I really like the glass. The turrets are very pronounced... and I really like the reticle. However, I need more time on the glass, to run some tracking drills... but, the reticle subtends nicely.

I ran some M118LR today, and this rifle was amazing. I only needed .3 MIL to bring it up from zero with 168 grain FGMM to the M118LR (175 grain SMK 7.62x51).

Got DOPE on the M118LR out to 700 yrds...

This rifle is a hoot to drive from 600 yards and in. Very soft shooter, continues to amaze me.

I didn't shoot it as much as I would like to today, I had way too many rifles to run. Plus, there was a Qualification run going on, and there were a lot of shooters on the line today.

Still, it's nice to finally get to run this rifle with the Bushnell HDMR on it. Runs well.

 

[TxAggie2009]

Re: PWS MK214

Excellent review, very well written. Im in the market for a 308 AR and i think this thread has pretty much made up my mind for me. Got an email into PWS asking about some questions for running a suppressor before I purchase and will hopefully hear something from them soon.

I know the gun isnt exactly built for hunting but how well do you think that 14.5" barrel would work out for hunting purposes? By hunting i mean whitetail out to about 250 yards max and coyotes out to 400. I know it has the accuracy and reliability, but will it have the velocity at those ranges out of such a short barrel, and keep in mind the only hunting rounds are in .308 cal. (i know this isnt a hunting forum, so feel free to disregard this, but not many people have these rifles right now so im trying to find information wherever I can).

Again, thanks for the thorough review, its good information like this that led me to join this forum.

 

[RonPogi]

Re: PWS MK214

There is a PWS adjustable gas block for suppressor

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[TxAggie2009]

Re: PWS MK214

Thanks Ron, I didnt see that on their site anywhere but that is great to know! I actually just noticed in their FAQ they dont recommend suppressors on the MK2 series. Maybe that is old info before they came out with the adjustable gas block.

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214

TxAggie...

I've been away from the computer... sorry about the delay. Thank you for your kind words... I just try to be as factual as I can. I am having very precise accuracy with complete reliability out to 500 yards with this MK214, and consistent MOA sized groups out to 600 yards. My rifle just LOVES M118LR... it shoots it the best.

155 grain TAP runs well in it too.

I would not hesitate hunting medium to large game with this out to 400 yards and then some. Good glass, and a good trigger are a must. I run the Geissele SD-E in mine, for reasons covered in detail in this thread. Glass, has been a revolving door. I'm using the Bushnell HDMR 3.5-21 (G2DMR reticle) with great success... but, my glass of choice for this rifle is my US Optics SN3 1.8-10 TPAL. To me, it's perfect for this rifle.

Best of luck with your choice.

If I can EVER do anything for you, or answer any questions, please ask.

Be safe...

Cheers!

DMack

 

[TxAggie2009]

Re: PWS MK214

Thanks DMack for making my decision even harder! But really, appreciate the info. I guess my next step is to give PWS a ring and discuss my options for suppression. If we can get that ironed out, i do believe that the mk214 (or maybe 216) will be my next purchase. Havent decided on optics but it will consider the US Optics you mentioned. Also, it looks like the Geissele in any model, gets rave reviews so that will likely be on the list. (of course, if i get one for the new rifle, ill need to get one for my ar-15, but thats how it goes)

Maybe you can share some opinions on 16" vs 14.5" barrels. You stated (forgive me if i misquote or misinterpreted you) that the shorter, more rigid, barrel helps with accuracy due to vibrations (especially with the non-free floated rail). Do you feel like going to the 16" will cause a substantial loss in accuracy? Ill likely go with the 14.5 for length reasons, especially with a can on the end. But I am considering the 16" as the muzzle device wouldnt have to be permanently attached and that alone may be worth the extra 1.5" (the can in question is an AAC 762 sdn6 so it is a quick detach, not screw on. The QD brake should be able to be permanently attached).

 

[B7Anderson]

Re: PWS MK214

Since triggers have been mentioned again, I have both a mk116 and a mk216 that I would like to install Geisseles in. Could you elaborate on the pros and cons of the SSA-E and the SD-E? I'd really like to try both, but my "expense account" is minuscule....

Just MHO on barrel lengths, I went with the 16 inch primarily to avoid the pinned muzzle attachment silliness and to give myself the flexibility of changing same at will. Unfortunately, SBRs are verboten in the great state of WA.

DMack - if I didn't say it before, I just want to express my gratitude for your unbiased opinions and copious notes and pictures that you've posted and for starting the PWS threads! I'm extremely pleased with both carbines!

BTW, I've noticed that shooting my mk216 has effected my facial muscles - a smile crosses my face every time, I press the trigger!

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214

Ok... let me see if I can get to all the questions.

On the MK2 series rifles, the difference between the MK214 and the MK216 is very minor in terms of velocity. You will gain a wee bit of velocity out of the 16" barrel, vs the 14.5" barrel. The accuracy will not reflect the difference, unless you are working past 600 yards.

I am running the 14.5 with the PRC on my rifle, for reasons stated. I am using this in a role it was not initially designed, but it does with aplomb.

Now, the Geissele triggers. I am a huge FAN of Mr. G and his amazing two stage triggers. But, triggers are like bicycle seats. What is good for me, may not be good for you, or the next guy. Some people prefer single stage triggers, others like adjustable triggers, etc.

The difference is up to the end user. I prefer a two stage trigger, because I really like to know "when" my trigger will break. I like that I can "stage" my trigger, and then make a conscious effort to break the shot. I also like the reset to be short and predictable, with the first stage returning after reset.

The SSA (Super Semi-Auto) trigger is my main stay. It is in ALL of my "fighting" carbines. Yes, I call them "fighting" carbines, since the VAST majority of what I do, is running the gun in a combat style role. Being a Law Enforcement Instructor, my genre is almost 100% SWAT / Tactical Team related. Therefore, the carbine drills that we do / teach are related to that type of shooting. I am not a competitive shooter, per se. So, the two stage trigger works for me.

The SSA-E / SD-E (Super Semi-Auto Enhanced / Super Dynamic Enhanced) are essentially the SAME trigger. They are non-adjustable, and break almost the same exact way. In fact, I have been told by the good folks at GA themselves, that the two are the same trigger, minus the difference in the trigger "bow" or "shoe" (which ever you wish to call it).

The two (SSA-E / SD-E) have a lighter feel to the first stage vs the SSA, and have a lighter second stage "break" than the SSA. So, it boils down to the choice of flat vs curved (traditional) trigger bow.

For a precision rifle, I really like the flat trigger bow. I index my finger at the lowest point on the trigger, which gives me the maximum mechanical advantage and allows me to break the shot the same every time. With the curved trigger bow, your finger is more or less placed in the same (there about) position.

Since I deal with Law Enforcement, I opted to run the SSA / SD-E for the non-adjustable feature. I find that they are stone cold reliable, and the more you shoot them, the BETTER they break.

No set screws to ever worry about... just install, and run them hard.

Again, I am a HUGE advocate of Mr. G's triggers. It's nice to have choices... that's for sure.

I hope this clears things up a wee bit.

When it comes to suppressors, I am of the thought process that you either run a rifle suppressed, or you don't. I don't find much use for the QD mounts on a rifle. Pistols, yes... I can see that. But, I want my rig to run reliably, and run the same all the time. Adding a can, then removing it, adds too many variables into the system. Folks do it all the time with great success... I for one, am not one of them.

Just my experience...

Get with Todd or Stacey at PWS. They have extensive research into what runs on their rifles, and what does not. My MK214 is not suppressed... not saying that it won't be some day, just not now. My MK107 is, and my MK110 will be soon.

Be safe everyone...

DMack Out.

 

[TxAggie2009]

Re: PWS MK214

thanks again for the thorough response.

I completely agree with either running a rifle suppressed or run it unsuppressed. I intend to run it suppressed entirely but I will also use that suppressor for other rifles, and hence the QD mount, not to mention its what my local dealer had in stock. I would prefer a thread on, and may get one at a later date, but for now I just use what I have.

Great explanation of the different triggers, that helps a lot as the models seem to run together if you dont know the differences.

 

[B7Anderson]

Re: PWS MK214

DMack,

Thanks for the info! Your response to my trigger question filled in the blanks for me. I was initially leaning towards the SSA-E because that is what I'm used to on a rifle, but you've convinced me to go with the SD-E with your explanation. I've got two rifles, so I need two triggers. If the SD-E works for me, I'll wind up with two; otherwise, I'll end up with one of each. A win either way!

Best regards.

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214

DD7... I touched on the 1-4 and 1-6 variable optics question in my MK114 thread. I'm curious to see what you end up with. No matter what, the more you shoot your PWS rifle, the better it will run for you.

Cheers!!!

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214

Ok, update:

Today, I turned my MK214 over to a friend of mine. He is a Sniper Team Leader for a neighboring Sheriff's Office... now, I know this rifle is very capable, but I wanted them to run the snot out of it independently and see if it meets their requirements.

I asked him to shoot it, and shoot it hard... keep a round count, and let me know if there are any failures, or significant issues to report.

Also, we talked about accuracy, and I went over the nuances of shooting this rifle that I have learned.

I await his input anxiously... I hope it flies as well for them, as it does for me.

Stay tuned!

 

[BattleAxe]

Re: PWS MK214

DMack dropped off my 214 today after a fresh Cerakote job. It will be a week or two before I get around to mounting an optic but once I do I'll get to testing and make it sing.

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214

It came out very nice BA... welcome to the MK214 family. I know you will make that rifle Giddy Up!!!

 

[staugler]

Re: PWS MK214

I just purchased a PWS MK216. Its a bit sloppy between the upper and lower. Is that common? I saw a video of a guy on youtube and he had to use a punch to knock the pin loose. Mine comes out with ease and there is a small gap in between the upper and lower. Thanks

RLTW 02-03

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214

jstaugler...

MY MK214 is tight as a drum. Zero play at all. It's a billet set, so they should have hardly any play. Even now, after all this time, my rear take down pin is still hard to get out. Call Stacey and talk to him about it...

RLTW!

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214

Ok, Update on the MK214.

I spoke with my buddy that is flogging my rifle. He is the Sniper Team Leader for a local team. The glass I have mounted on the MK214 at the moment is the Bushnell HDMR 3.5-21 with the G2DMR reticle. I have it mounted in an Alamo Four Star 34mm one piece mount... and round count when I gave it to him was just shy of 2500 rounds.

I gave the rifle to him dirty, and asked him to do his own independent testing, to see if the rifle holds up to their Team's standards. Their team runs Accuracy International .308 with 26 inch barrels, with Nightforce optics.

Here are pics of the targets we use for the "Thread the Needle" drill. It's shot prone, from bipods, at 50 yards. The Sniper runs up, lays down behind the gun, engages with a cold bore shot, then gets up from his rifle, runs 50 yards down and back, does some pushups, then fires the second round. Same point of aim... wash rinse repeat. These are pics showing a five round group, laid down with 168 grain TAP. This particular group was from the youngest shooter on the team, with the least amount of experience.

All team members replicated this drill with the MK214. I know this rifle shoots very well, it's nice to see that others besides me can get it to run for them.

We do this drill anywhere from 40 yards out to 200 yards...

I know they are shooting out to distance today. I await his report. So far, they love the MK214.

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214

That point of aim / point of impact, would not be MY choice... but, I did not shoot this group. I know a lot of people would say that it's only 50 yards, but... this can be done, reasonably out to 150 yards on this target... with the MK214 with zero difficulty. On targets where a wee bit more "bad guy" is seen, I'd be very comfy stretching it out further.

We shall hear what is said after they shoot further distance with it.

 

[wnroscoe]

Re: PWS MK214

Dmack

Please stop these reports, your going to kill my check book

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214

LOL... sorry about that Brother. I'm just telling it like it is. These guns shoot, and they shoot very well for what they are. The more you shoot them, the better they run...

I've been pushing the AR-10 in the Law Enforcement Sniper Community since... well... forever. It's finally building steam. With so many GREAT platforms out there, it's really a buyers market.

This little PWS MK214 has done everything I asked it to do in the beginning of my tests, and it STILL surprises me...

Cheers!!!!

 

[BattleAxe]

Re: PWS MK214

Cheesy phone pic but the twins are still hot. I'll be breaking the cherry on my 214 this weekend. Quick zero then dope to 850. Giddy up!

 

[wnroscoe]

Re: PWS MK214

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DMack</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL... sorry about that Brother. I'm just telling it like it is. These guns shoot, and they shoot very well for what they are. The more you shoot them, the better they run...

I've been pushing the AR-10 in the Law Enforcement Sniper Community since... well... forever. It's finally building steam. With so many GREAT platforms out there, it's really a buyers market.

This little PWS MK214 has done everything I asked it to do in the beginning of my tests, and it STILL surprises me...

Cheers!!!! </div></div>

Been telling our local LEO's for several years now that all teams need at least one 308 semi-auto type platform to go along with their bolt guns while on assingment.

If the Mk114 runs like I think it will my DPMS LR308 will be on the chopping block to make room for the Mk2 series rifle.

I know an LEO in Midland Texas on their team. He runs a PWS SBR upper on his work rig and during testing tried all the tricks to make it fail.........he failed, the rifle won.

 

[tlg308]

Re: PWS MK214

Looking forward how they like the rifle at the longer ranges. The gun seems to hold MOA everywhere it goes.

 

[DMack]

Re: PWS MK214

tlg... I can attest that from the MK214, it is MOA or better out to 600 yards. Hitting steel at 850 with M118LR is easily done as well.

 

[tlg308]

Re: PWS MK214

Hummmm... this is a tempting system. Have you had any experience with the MK216?