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PX Bullshit, Everyone is selling for themselves
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Not to mention, even if people weren’t fucking up, look at how much merchandise changes hands through here.
Would you basically let people sell tons of shit in your back yard, out of the kindness of your heart?
The PX was supposed to just be a casual add on for occasional sales.
It’s far exceeded that, even if it wasn’t being abused by vendors.
Would you basically let people sell tons of shit in your back yard, out of the kindness of your heart?
The PX was supposed to just be a casual add on for occasional sales.
It’s far exceeded that, even if it wasn’t being abused by vendors.
What, moderate a site?
It's up to them if they want to moderate it. Apparently Frank thinks its enough of a problem to do something about it; I'm just saying that hitting us all for money will do absolutely nothing to solve the problem or better anyone's' experience on the site.
If its a straight revenue thing, well, then its slightly different because he just wants money. That's a pure money related issue where he wants to now charge to use the exchange; I don't see that improving the exchange but rather pushing most people over the other sites to sell things and/or doing it other ways. But again, if its purely a revenue thing, well, totally different.
If its that hes sick of people bypassing rules and not paying to become dealers (which is technically stealing, or at a minimum, unethical) I don't see how making us all pay fixes anything either. It's the people bypassing the rules, who will probably still pay less on a 'per sale' fee than they would paying for a dealer account. So charging me $10 (or whatever) to post an ad as well as charging the guy bypassing the rules $10 for his ad....what did that just fix?
The theme of the argument I've read is that people are using this site as basically ebay and not paying for it. You and I contribute, are members, post things as well as post items for sale. The people he wants to cut out are the ones who solely use this site as a free commerce page. The fee solution doesn't fix that at all.
Market dictates this.
Off the top of my head, I can go to 5 different sites, some with less and some with way more traffic than SH and list/sell/buy things with absolutely zero cost to me or the person selling it.
The site doesn't manufacturer the rifle. If its for sale on a site where it costs more because there's fees involved and its listed somewhere that it doesn't, I'll let you guess which site people buy it on and which site they tend to go to more often to look.
It all depends on what Frank has in mind, and again, if this is a revenue thing or an attempt to get rid of people bypassing the vendor account fees.
I agree overall, especially from our point of view.
From the other side as the website over’s point of view, it’s a lot of work to weed out people who will likely just try to get out of it, or try to create new accounts, etc etc.
When you have limited and time/staff, the easiest thing is to just flip the entire system.
I get it, we agree on basically the same thing.
I've offered to help MOD the exchange before and I'm sure others have offered or would.
All I'm saying is the 'fee base' some people have mentioned (not Frank) won't achieve what Frank's grip is with the people using the site as a free e-commerce platform for themselves. I get that.
Until Frank says what he actually has in mind to do, there's really nothing for us to discuss because at this point no one knows. I'm just basically trying to get people to realize that the rationale of 'charge a fee and everything will be ok again!' is fucking retarded.
I don’t let shit that gives me indigestion occur in my house. We all accept this is Frank’s house. If I were him I’d shut down the PX permanently and tell everyone to sell their shit on gunbroker. How many contributing members would leave because they couldn’t sell their shit? Well, bye...
I hear you, and I'm not arguing with you. BUT, I will counter with this. The members here USED TO be able to trade back and forth and whatnot. And this was a fantastic venue to do so. The complicator of this, is that from what I understand "innerwebz traffic" is a money-generator of some sort, too.
Ergo, the "clicks" that this site gets, is advantageous. To what extent, and to whom, I can't say. To add to that, I'm sure this site 'costs' each month. If the 'costs' are outweighed by the 'fees' of one form or another, then things should balance.
And maybe someone gets a new car out of the deal. Well, new to them, anyways. I dunno.
But, if there were a manner of making the populace of the PX area "respectable'er" then what is the downside to that? I'd go as far as to say the vast majority of folks here are top-notch and I'd trust almost all. How to make that 'better'?
What if Frank removed the PX from the SH site. Then, Frank creates the new "SH Luxury Fleatique" which offers all of the latest, "must haves" for the fashionable shooter. It's still associated with the original SH but a separate website. Frank charges a sliding scale fee structure based on seller's anticipated sales to post. Payable in advance. Each seller gets a certain number of sales based on what they've paid. Everybody that registers gets an ID#. Anyone without an ID gets called bad names and ejected. Scanning for IDs can be automated to keep human involvement minimal.
And here I thought the irony and hypocrisy was lost on everyone.
It’s no wonder that laws are so fucked up! 311 posts (and counting ) of ways to restrict or tax the moral majority.
Good job guys ??
Post #1 of thread @Lowlight says there is a problem with certain sellers and things may change.
Prior to post #1 of thread @Lowlight has said Px could go away IRC.
Now we have pages and pages of people pontificating solutions. It is his house, his rules. I did not see him creating a poll asking how to run his site. Nor do I see most of the posters in this thread as social media consultants,
How many more unsolicited answers and "clutching of pearls" is there going to be in this thread? How hard is it to STFU and wait and see? I dont go in other people's houses and tell them how to run their affairs (or take a shit on their couch).
I reccomend self reflection for a lot of posters in this thread.
Prior to post #1 of thread @Lowlight has said Px could go away IRC.
Now we have pages and pages of people pontificating solutions. It is his house, his rules. I did not see him creating a poll asking how to run his site. Nor do I see most of the posters in this thread as social media consultants,
How many more unsolicited answers and "clutching of pearls" is there going to be in this thread? How hard is it to STFU and wait and see? I dont go in other people's houses and tell them how to run their affairs (or take a shit on their couch).
I reccomend self reflection for a lot of posters in this thread.
I just want to find someone who can make a good spinning lure. 
While I agree on many levels, I see it like so:
Frank makes a post. You know, on an internet forum. AKA a discussion board. For us to discuss. If he DIDN'T want it to be discussed, he would have made the post and then locked it, so everyone could see it but not comment.
Maybe I'm wrong here, but in my view, I think we're all part of a little social experiment, and Frank wanted to see how things played out. Sneaky, smart, and a great way to see how the community feels without directly asking anything that would lead or direct the discussion. Rather, just a post on a particular subject, and then let it roll to see where it goes. Then, once the general forum populace as had their say, he can read through things and decide what to do, either with specific individuals or the forum as a whole.
Maybe I'm wildly overthinking things, but it's what I'd do, because a more accurate pulse from the community could be obtained. But I'll admit I'm just grasping at straws here.
Some need to STFU with the mentions of changing rules in the PX being forms of taxation, regulation and gun control. SH is not a government, nobody here is forced to be here, and has been stated numerous times “Frank’s house-Frank’s rules.” A little perspective would do some good.
How am I supposed to use the easy button to quote you when you do this tom foolery of posting within a quote?
It's intentional. Stop stalking me...................
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People need to stop being whiny bitches and protect themselves. The ban hammer should fix any shenigans real quick
I like the idea of PX posts not incrementing post counts. It would be nice if they also were excluded from the new posts function.
A post priced at or above retail might just be some hopeful newb trying to sell some of their gear. When that poster has 10 or more pages of messages exclusively in the PX maybe we, other members, could ask them why they aren't paying LL for the use of the site? I imagine that would prove entertaining.
A post priced at or above retail might just be some hopeful newb trying to sell some of their gear. When that poster has 10 or more pages of messages exclusively in the PX maybe we, other members, could ask them why they aren't paying LL for the use of the site? I imagine that would prove entertaining.
Minute of Duck, all day long, if I do my part..... who was around for those fun and games besides me?
Thinking about it, I'm not sure the HMFIC wants anything to do with PX fees. He got a bunch of grief for liking the Valk as much as he did. I imagine the haters would bitch and moan about PX fees and eventually it would go away anyways.
I just need 99 more posts and I can open MY online store.
I just need 99 more posts and I can open MY online store.
If it wasn't for whiny bitches we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
F all the people that complain about a free service.
F all the people that complain about a free service.
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Community moderation is the future of platform interaction.
Some fuzzy math, some votes, some timeframe, and a decision can be reached without the involvement of any handful of specific individuals.
Build a community, set some guidelines, and let the community itself enforce them.
Some fuzzy math, some votes, some timeframe, and a decision can be reached without the involvement of any handful of specific individuals.
Build a community, set some guidelines, and let the community itself enforce them.
Congratulations on discovering the internet, where everyone is an expert at everything and isn’t bashful about sharing said expertise.
So, all people answering an open call for input should be vetted for their professional abilities before being allowed to post? Were you vetted properly before being allowed to post?
My point to you is that anytime you have a problem, it is always a good idea to solicit the input of the end users/operators in the trenches. Otherwise, you end up making decisions based solely upon the echo chamber of ideas bounded by your own filters. Does that mean that you will end up doing any of the things suggested? Maybe or maybe not, but more often than not, just the process alone will help in the decision making.
That’s how good managers do problem solving. It’s more work than just cowboying the solution, but often results in a better solution.
Lash ---Nice that is deep!
Dang when did the hide get so philosophical... sometimes you guys make me feel like someone turned down my thermostat; now I have a room temperature IQ..
I appreciate the ability to sell stuff. And didn't pay to play if you will. I like seeing what is here and helping others out with struggles I might have encountered. Most of the posts I see from people who are clearly here to just sell, I skip right past. I like to upgrade as much as others here. And this is a really good medium to be able to do that for our beloved hobby. Unfortunately there will always be that assclown that ruins it for everyone else. Whatever is decided I'll still stick around. I've learned a lot here and continue to do so.
Let's be honest with ourselves. That's like saying 1st graders don't need a teacher because they can police themselves. What are we to do when Jimmy steals your lunch and Sally calls you a poopy-head...
I do like the idea of requiring sellers to amass some number of "likes" before selling. Add to that, that some ratio of votes per voter (getting 100 "likes" from the same user is not the same as getting 1 "like" from 100 users). And, the voters should also be qualified via some number of unique "likes" (noobs pumping each other up just won't do either...).
On "likes".
I offer good advice based on first-hand experience in the forum specific sections of the site, I'm not likely to receive a "like".
I make a crude, but somewhat amusing comment in the bear pit, I may get a "like".
I don't think "likes" should count for much. JMHO.
I offer good advice based on first-hand experience in the forum specific sections of the site, I'm not likely to receive a "like".
I make a crude, but somewhat amusing comment in the bear pit, I may get a "like".
I don't think "likes" should count for much. JMHO.
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QuickNDirty
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It's a tricky problem to solve, but I think there's a solution that would work and be pretty fair.
If there was a good way to quantify how much "effort" someone invested in a platform, then you could reduce the total number of meaningful voters to those that have some threshold of "effort" invested.
Then, figuring that some people that invested a lot of effort would not be around anymore (death, lack of interest, etc), and others just wouldn't be around at that moment (banging wife, work, hunting in Alaska, whatever), the total number of meaningful voters could be reduced even further.
Then, if 2/3rds majority of the votes we actually expected to get were gotten, we could kick Jimmy's ass. I don't think you're gonna get 2/3rds voting to kick Sally's ass because 1.) Female, and 2.) Free speech.
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True enough. Doesn't have to be likes, could be forum-specific "votes cast in order to elevate one's position based on the valued content a member brings to the community."
I think we have a lot of very smart people in this thread. It should be easy for us to come up with an system, necessarily automated, and sufficiently fair, that it all but guarantees no one will ever post in the PX...
I have a fucking headache just from reading this thread.
I’m going into the PX to have a chat with some of these captains of internet commerce.
I’m going into the PX to have a chat with some of these captains of internet commerce.
When they plead ignorance direct them to the account upgrade page.
For anyone conducting business on the site. Individual or Company who exceeds the PX posting limits. If you have an FFL or Sell a product in any form you need a Commercial Sales Account.
For anyone conducting business on the site. Individual or Company who exceeds the PX posting limits. If you have an FFL or Sell a product in any form you need a Commercial Sales Account.
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