Shit I didn't even notice the rifle with ALL that awesome back ground!!Accuracy International AT-X AICS, this is a RimX but my son in-laws Vudoo 360 runs and feeds flawlessly in his AT-X AICS
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Shit I didn't even notice the rifle with ALL that awesome back ground!!Accuracy International AT-X AICS, this is a RimX but my son in-laws Vudoo 360 runs and feeds flawlessly in his AT-X AICS
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I’m starting to think that the MDT ACC Elite might be a better choice but not for reasons that you may think.
It’s always been in the running but as mentioned above, I do love the look of the MPA Pro chassis. The reason for the lean towards the ACC is to do with customer service.
Over the last few weeks I’ve left them 2 messages and sent 1 email and to this day I’ve not heard back. In my last message to them I politely mentioned that I’ve left a few messages and would really love someone to call me back. Still no reply.
When I called MDT (I’ve called them twice over the last few weeks, the phone was answered both times and the person I spoke to was SUPER helpful and happy to talk to me about everything. Now I know there are lots of variables here. More employees, less employees, very busy, not so busy etc etc. But I’m thinking about long term customer service and my experience with MPA (or lack there of) has left a bad taste in my mouth.
Anyway, thought I’d mention this in case maybe it’s just a fluke or perhaps some of you have had a similar experience?
Thanks. I’ll try that.Same here. Woody got back within 24 hours.
Thanks for the info. Do you think if you went with a 24” barrel it would have balanced at the mag well without weights?I know this isn’t a Vudoo or an MTU barrel but it’s a 1.2” straight finished at 22”.
Installed in the chassis with no weights added and with a bipod attached it will balance a few inches in front of the mag well. The weight is 19 pounds 11 oz. Take the bipod off and it’ll get just a teeny tiny bit rear heavy. Still not bad.
I threw in a set of internal weights and a pair of external weights and it balances with and without a bipod about 2-3 inches in front of the mag well. The rifle is now 23 pounds and 5 oz. It’s around 21 and some change without the bipod.
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Without a bipod I’m sure it’ll be good to go. The ass end on the Elite is heavy. However barrel profile might still matter.Thanks for the info. Do you think if you went with a 24” barrel it would have balanced at the mag well without weights?
I’m thinking of going with a Krieger MTU. I like the look of yours with the barrel just peeking out of the fore end but I think that if I went with a bit longer barrel I could hopefully get away with little to no weights. I read somewhere a while back that 18”-22” was optimal for the .22lr so hopefully going to a 23” 24” 25” etc. won’t start to negatively impact its performance.Without a bipod I’m sure it’ll be good to go. The ass end on the Elite is heavy. However barrel profile might still matter.
I have a 20” and 22” barrels on my RimX and they hammer. My Curtis has a 23” Krieger and it also hammers. It’s pick your poison..I’m thinking of going with a Krieger MTU. I like the look of yours with the barrel just peeking out of the fore end but I think that if I went with a bit longer barrel I could hopefully get away with little to no weights. I read somewhere a while back that 18”-22” was optimal for the .22lr so hopefully going to a 23” 24” 25” etc. won’t start to negatively impact its performance.
I have had a 18", 22" and 23" on my Vudoo and there is no negative impact. I have a 24" on order and not worried at all.I’m thinking of going with a Krieger MTU. I like the look of yours with the barrel just peeking out of the fore end but I think that if I went with a bit longer barrel I could hopefully get away with little to no weights. I read somewhere a while back that 18”-22” was optimal for the .22lr so hopefully going to a 23” 24” 25” etc. won’t start to negatively impact its performance.
Hi mberlin74,I read somewhere a while back that 18”-22” was optimal for the .22lr so hopefully going to a 23” 24” 25” etc. won’t start to negatively impact its performance.
Hi mberlin74,
I've dealing with a similar set of decisions on barrel length and chassis.
I found this video to be very helpful regarding how barrel length impacts .22lr performance.
After seeing this, I'm planning to go even longer on my 1.2" straight Krieger barrel--between 24"-26" depending on where the gunsmith finds the best spot to finish it. My choice on chassis is still undetermined, though the short list includes MPA Matrix, MPA BA Comp, and the new MDT ACC Premier 2.0 when it launches. With the longer barrel, I figure I'm maximizing my chances to have it balance with minimal extra weights. Good luck with your decision!
YW! Yes, one very specific reason on excluding the Elite: for the life of me, I was trying to not end up choosing the absolute most expensive option for every part I was buying for the build.Thanks for this. I’ll definitely give it a watch. Is there a reason the MDT ACC Elite is not on your list of chassis?
lol! Glad that worked out for you. I unfortunately don’t have the same self control.YW! Yes, one very specific reason on excluding the Elite: for the life of me, I was trying to not end up choosing the absolute most expensive option for every part I was buying for the build.![]()
Hi mberlin74,
I've dealing with a similar set of decisions on barrel length and chassis.
I found this video to be very helpful regarding how barrel length impacts .22lr performance.
After seeing this, I'm planning to go even longer on my 1.2" straight Krieger barrel--between 24"-26" depending on where the gunsmith finds the best spot to finish it. My choice on chassis is still undetermined, though the short list includes MPA Matrix, MPA BA Comp, and the new MDT ACC Premier 2.0 when it launches. With the longer barrel, I figure I'm maximizing my chances to have it balance with minimal extra weights. Good luck with your decision!
Sheesh, 900 fps?--wait... You shoot when it's 30 degrees??YMMV but I found 26” way too slow in colder temps. I know it’s going to vary barrel to barrel and lot to lot but I was seeing ~900 fps with the SK Match I was using at the time. Temps were in the 30’s.
HAHA! I needed at least one point that might help make the domestic negotiations over the expense sound like I was being responsible with our finances. "...and you see, it's not like I'm going with the most expensive options..."Glad that worked out for you. I unfortunately don’t have the same self control.
hen YouTube auto generated the same topic video by the guys at Vudoo who from what I took from the video basically said 18”-20” was the optimal barrel length for .22lr.
Watched this video and it made lots of sense. Then YouTube auto generated the same topic video by the guys at Vudoo who from what I took from the video basically said 18”-20” was the optimal barrel length for .22lr. Sooooooo yeah. Still in limbo.
This. And I'm prone to it, so reminders like this are important from people who know what they are talking about (meaning Rob, not me. I'm still trying to figure everything out). Thanks, Rob!Don’t get in analysis paralysis.
I can’t remember if I did. Been a while. I want to try a 24” barrel to satisfy my curiosity. But so far 22” has been my favorite length. Numbers have been very good and doesn’t take a miracle to balance. 23” hammers and balances as well. That said 20” shoots very well. So again pick your poison.Sheesh, 900 fps?--wait... You shoot when it's 30 degrees??I admire your dedication.
Seriously though, I wouldn't have expected that much drop in velocity. Did you try that barrel with any other ammo to see if the SK match was a one-off? I guess if worse came to worse I could always have the barrel cut and re-crowned.
Didn't mean to hijack the thread.
This was the other video that popped up.
This was the other video that popped up.
That's a fantastic lot of ammo there.
That's good to know. Would you recommend against going even longer to a barrel length in the 24"-26" range?But my 24" Bartlein barrel is a hair better in the accuracy department, as well as producing better SDs. It isn't world's better than the other two, but good enough that it's the length I'll continue to buy.
Yeah, I'm only thinking of the extra length in terms of weight/balance, not accuracy at all--I just don't want to be costing myself accuracy either. Thank you, Rob!I know some guys with 25" and 26" barrels but for me that's kind of pushing it. If you wanted it for balance without wanting to add weights then it can work but I don't think you will be gaining anything accuracy wise.
Yes!--That's part of my plan to also get ripped while I'm shooting matches. I can say, "I lifted weights all day today..."Also, 26 inches is quite a bit a length to move around. You'll gain about 1/4 lb of weight for every inch you add (with a 1.20 straight).
Very helpful! This is all good info and it’s helped a lot. I’ve now got the chassis decided and pretty sure I’m going with a length of 24”. I’m just trying to decide between a Krieger and a Benchmark barrel. The Krieger is less expensive and saving some money at this point would be good but I have a Benchmark on my 6.5 and it’s been good.Yes!--That's part of my plan to also get ripped while I'm shooting matches. I can say, "I lifted weights all day today..."
On a serious note, I have a centerfire rifle that has a 26" barrel, and if I decide to also take up shooting centerfire PRS at some point, I'll already be used to the handling characteristics of that heft and length around the barricades with the rimfire. Again, as long as I'm not moving into detrimental territory moving past 24". But the barrel hasn't arrived yet, so I'm still very open to hearing the wisdom of others--as long as it's also helpful for mberlin24, since it's really his thread. Thanks, Mark.
Great!--Which chassis did you decide on? I went with the Krieger barrel. From my reading through some of the forums and talking to guys who had rifles built for PRS rimfire, none of them had anything bad to say about Krieger barrels.I’ve now got the chassis decided and pretty sure I’m going with a length of 24”. I’m just trying to decide between a Krieger and a Benchmark barrel.
Yes!--That's part of my plan to also get ripped while I'm shooting matches. I can say, "I lifted weights all day today..."
On a serious note, I have a centerfire rifle that has a 26" barrel, and if I decide to also take up shooting centerfire PRS at some point, I'll already be used to the handling characteristics of that heft and length around the barricades with the rimfire. Again, as long as I'm not moving into detrimental territory moving past 24". But the barrel hasn't arrived yet, so I'm still very open to hearing the wisdom of others--as long as it's also helpful for mberlin24, since it's really his thread. Thanks, Mark.
Never thought of it that way but it makes good sense.I feel like that's a solid idea as you're kind of doubling it as a trainer. Something to keep in mind (I could be wrong on this though), but I think rimfire barrels are typically an inch shorter (in protrusion) than centerfire barrels because of how much shorter the bolt is. So your 26 inch barrel will feel more like a 25 inch in length, but weight should be the same.
Decided on the ACC Elite and pretty sure in the Titanium Blue with a grey action and barrel.Great!--Which chassis did you decide on? I went with the Krieger barrel. From my reading through some of the forums and talking to guys who had rifles built for PRS rimfire, none of them had anything bad to say about Krieger barrels.
Guess I walked into that one.
Does anyone have any opinions or experience with either a Benchmark or Krieger barrel in a .22 configuration? I have no experience with either in a .22lr. I have a Benchmark for my 6.5 and I find it outstanding but this doesn’t mean that their .22lr would be equally as good.
Hoping for some feedback from those with experience with either of these barrels in a .22 configuration.
I had a 20" Benchmark on a CZ 455 like yours shot great but was slow compared to others, I sold the gun and bought a Vudoo with a 20" ace it shot great, sold it and bought a V-360 with a 22" Bartlein and this barrel is an absolute hammer with 3 different ammos. Right now I have a V-360 and a 1.25" straight Krieger at MCR and cant wait to get this one back.I can answer it. I have both. The Benchmark is a 16.5 twist and started at 26” with an EC Tuner from TS Custom. While it shot great the MV was just way too slow for me during the winter. I sent it in to have it chopped to 20”. It still shot great despite not being slugged before it was cut. I later had a Kreiger spun up for my rifle by Modacam. It also hammered. With that said, you’ll see way more Krieger barrels than Benchmark on rimfires. This isn’t new info to anyone but regardless of what blank you use and who chambers it for you, you have to lot test.