Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

#51
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That's really interesting. I've been noticing the short barrel trend with almost all of the newer builds in .308 these days. Maybe it's time for me to make the drop to 22" or 23" also. My barrel has got about another year on it though, guees I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
 
#52
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I'm running a 24" on my .308, and when i replace the barrel i will also be keeping it 24". Varget has been an all around phenomenal powder for the short actions i've run it through. Which includes .243, .260, .308. With 3 different .243 bullets, 3 different .308, and 2 .260s. Just a good powder. Right now i'm using 44gr of varget pushing a berger 175gr BT LR @ 2615. If i would've did my part i would be running 45gr but the group did open up. The group i'm shooting right now is about .6 MOA, it could be better with a better shooter though. Any bullets your planning on trying out also with the Alliant 2000-MP SBS?
 
#53
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackops_2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm running a 24" on my .308, and when i replace the barrel i will also be keeping it 24". Varget has been an all around phenomenal powder for the short actions i've run it through. Which includes .243, .260, .308. With 3 different .243 bullets, 3 different .308, and 2 .260s. Just a good powder. Right now i'm using 44gr of varget pushing a berger 175gr BT LR @ 2615. If i would've did my part i would be running 45gr but the group did open up. The group i'm shooting right now is about .6 MOA, it could be better with a better shooter though. Any bullets your planning on trying out also with the Alliant 2000-MP SBS? </div></div>

I've got some 155 Scenars and some of those Hornady 178 grn Match bullets, not the A-Max that I wanna try with the 2000-MR also. I'm liking the heavier bullets with this powder and have been toying with the idea of trying the 208 A-Max's, I don't know if I'm gonna run this stuff with the Scenars as I'm concerned they will eat up my throat a bit quicker. I've been running them at 2950 fps with RE-15, with this stuff I would bet I'd be right around 3100 fps, which would be smoking. We'll see, headed out to shoot some more of the 185's in about a half hour.

-SBS
 
#54
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I had some good results with 178 A-MAX and 190MK in my 308.
49gr.and 178s was 2900fps and 48gr. with 190s was 2880fps out of a 30" barrel. 0 pressure signs, maybe flatter primers in the 190 load. I like how the powder meters. These velocities are a little less compared to my RL-17 loads, but I haven't put much time with 2000-MR either. Will try some more.
 
#55
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I did some confirmation testing today and the load was pretty good. Winds were 15 - 20 mph with 30 mph gusts (no joke). So I expect accuracy to be better than today's test indicates. I was feeling pretty good when the first 3 shots sailed into the same hole. I had another group where the first 3 shots were in the same hole and for my last group, 4 shots were in the same hole and the last shot was off... I think I actually shot when the wind had died down too much. Otherwise, it would have been a quarter inch.

I will post the target later.

All I need to do now is test my SD's (I didn't bring my chrony today).
 
#56
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SagebrushShooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

I've got some 155 Scenars and some of those Hornady 178 grn Match bullets, not the A-Max that I wanna try with the 2000-MR also. I'm liking the heavier bullets with this powder and have been toying with the idea of trying the 208 A-Max's, I don't know if I'm gonna run this stuff with the Scenars as I'm concerned they will eat up my throat a bit quicker. I've been running them at 2950 fps with RE-15, with this stuff I would bet I'd be right around 3100 fps, which would be smoking. We'll see, headed out to shoot some more of the 185's in about a half hour.

-SBS</div></div>

Good deal keep us posted. I agree the 155s would be smoking with that powder, i wouldn't want to run em down my barrel either. Those 178gr Hornady match are pretty nice, especially for the price has a nice high BC. I almost hate that varget has been a good powder in a sense because i haven't worked up loads with any other powder for my .308. I've used varget both times on match bullets.

Will be interesting to see what the powder does with the 208's. I can see the 175s going around 2800 on avg, maybe 2900 at max, i'd be extremely impressed if the 175s got above 2900.
 
#58
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It'll be interesting to see what happens in gas guns. The unusual pressure curve might interfere with proper cycling... or it might work perfectly well. I would be interested to hear about it.
 
#60
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Here is my confirmation target from today. As I mentioned earlier, the winds were pretty heavy today, so I am pretty happy with the performance. The average of .45 MOA could probably be improved upon on a better day and match my 175 SMK / Varget accuracy load with more velocity and a better BC.

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I was pretty jazzed about the results from this load. As I mentioned earlier, the load that I chose prior to workup was much inferior to this load. In fact, most charges for SMK/Varget work pretty well. The Berger/2000-MR seems to be a bit more finicky.

Now that I have found an accuracy load, I hope that it stays stable for a wide range of temperatures. 75*F was a blessing as I will see at most 30 degrees higher and probably 30 degrees lower here in Texas.
 
#61
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Conditions were horrible today for me as well, wind was gusting up to 12 knots on my Kestrel then it would drop to nothing. Despite this, and shooting off a bipod in the dirt, this load still managed to hold right around 1/2 MOA of vertical at 500 yds. Pretty impressed with this stuff and the Berger 185 BT LR.
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Temperature was 69 F today. I agree this powder is slightly more finicky than Varget, but the little extra work put in to get it to shoot good was worth the extra 150 fps in my opinion. I think my Varget and RE-15 will officially be staying in the cupboard for a while
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#63
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looking good! Hopefully, I will get a chance to try it out at long range next weekend. I will let y'all know how it goes. </div></div>

Thanks man! I'm pretty happy with it. Now I gotta pick a weekend and haul out the steel to gather my DOPE in 100 yd increments out to 1100. I'm really curious to see how flat this load shoots. I was only at 2.2 mils at 500 yds! (100 yd zero). JBM has me at 8.4 mils at 1k, but it also has me at 2.8 mils at 500 when I'm actually only dialing 2.2 mils. I don't know why there is such a large (0.5 mil) desrcepancy? But I'm really curious to see what my actual elevation will be. It's gonna be a winner...

-SBS
 
#64
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It shouldn't be that far off. Check your stats:
1) Are your temp and pressures right?
2) Are you using the right BC (I use Litz G7)
3) Is your chrony right? You might be moving faster than you think... although those numbers look plenty fast to me.
4) Do you have your distance right? My home range is off at every single yard line. Just a thought.

Really, almost all BC calculators should agree up to 500 yards within .1 mil.
 
#65
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It shouldn't be that far off. Check your stats:
1) Are your temp and pressures right?
2) Are you using the right BC (I use Litz G7)
3) Is your chrony right? You might be moving faster than you think... although those numbers look plenty fast to me.
4) Do you have your distance right? My home range is off at every single yard line. Just a thought.

Really, almost all BC calculators should agree up to 500 yards within .1 mil. </div></div>

This has been bothering me for a while now. I run into this problem with every load I shoot where I live. The BC calculators are always way off. I live at about 4500 ft above sea level, and everytime I drive to CA in the Sacramento area to shoot at damn near sea level the BC calculators are always within a tenth of a mil. I guess the chrony could be off, but I can't think of anything else, temperature, pressure and elevation were all correctly input, and all distances were checked with a laser. By the time I get out to 1k with most of my other loads, the BC calculators are getting close to being off my a full 1.0 mil.

And yes, I use Litz G7 for all my inputs. Those being the 155 Scenar, 175 SMK and now the Berger 185 BT LR.
 
#66
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how much jump are you running with these bullets?i just picked some up,and in order to run them mag length,i've got about .110 to the lands.OAL is 2.915 touching lands.that's a huge jump.i'm going to try some at mag length but i've never known bergers to like jump.think they may be alittle too long for mag length and still get good accuracy.
 
#67
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SagebrushShooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It shouldn't be that far off. Check your stats:
1) Are your temp and pressures right?
2) Are you using the right BC (I use Litz G7)
3) Is your chrony right? You might be moving faster than you think... although those numbers look plenty fast to me.
4) Do you have your distance right? My home range is off at every single yard line. Just a thought.

Really, almost all BC calculators should agree up to 500 yards within .1 mil. </div></div>

This has been bothering me for a while now. I run into this problem with every load I shoot where I live. The BC calculators are always way off. I live at about 4500 ft above sea level, and everytime I drive to CA in the Sacramento area to shoot at damn near sea level the BC calculators are always within a tenth of a mil. I guess the chrony could be off, but I can't think of anything else, temperature, pressure and elevation were all correctly input, and all distances were checked with a laser. By the time I get out to 1k with most of my other loads, the BC calculators are getting close to being off my a full 1.0 mil.

And yes, I use Litz G7 for all my inputs. Those being the 155 Scenar, 175 SMK and now the Berger 185 BT LR. </div></div>

Im shooting the 178HPBTs in my 700 SPSS with this 2000MR powder CCIBRs, new Lapua brass. What do you think the max would be for these components? Ive worked up to 47grs so far, OAL is @2.840", no pressure signs yet.
 
#68
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Has anyone tried this powder in a 7mm-08 with 162 AMax and/or a 243/243AI with 105 AMax/VLD? I'm debating picking up a pound to wring it out this summer if others have had good results.
Thanks!
 
#69
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kimber7wsm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has anyone tried this powder in a 7mm-08 with 162 AMax and/or a 243/243AI with 105 AMax/VLD? I'm debating picking up a pound to wring it out this summer if others have had good results.
Thanks! </div></div>
Yes, 41grs was the most accurate in my 700 with the 162AMAX.
 
#70
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Also doing a work-up with this powder.
175 Gr barnes match burner
LC match Brass, CCI 34 primer
AR10, 20 inch barrel.


47.7Gr, 2649 , sd 9
47.3 , 2624 , 13
46.9 , 2611 , 13
46.5 , 2595 , 13
46.1 , 2556 , 37

accuracy appears to be > the 46.9, and < 47.3gr.was shooting at 200 yd.s 46.9 load was less than 1MOA. no signs of pressure, and next node appears to be above the max of 47.7.
 
#71
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I have only shot three different days with this powder, temperature swing of ~20 degrees, and haven't really seen any fps difference. According to some tests here, it looks to be .85-1fps/degree. Has anyone else seen this powder swing this much?
I can account for ambient temperature swings I guess but what bothers me is I plan to use this for FTR matches so 20+ shots. If I get slow on the trigger or chamber a round and then wait too long, I am worried I will send one to outer space.
 
#72
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The next few months will begin to give us temps that will test the typical Alliant powder sensitivity issue. You need to test below 90 and above 92*. Above 92 and the ugliness starts to show with RL15, 17 and 19 IME. I have a pound and it barely hit 90 here the other day. I'm not looking forward to 95+ anytime soon so I'll wait and see.

Carter should have the opportunity to test in the heat above 92-93 a little sooner than I based on his location.
 
#73
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mavrick10_2000</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The next few months will begin to give us temps that will test the typical Alliant powder sensitivity issue. You need to test below 90 and above 92*. Above 92 and the ugliness starts to show with RL15, 17 and 19 IME. I have a pound and it barely hit 90 here the other day. I'm not looking forward to 95+ anytime soon so I'll wait and see.

Carter should have the opportunity to test in the heat above 92-93 a little sooner than I based on his location. </div></div>

Ben at Alliant told me last year not to worry about sensitivity unless it got over 90F in your area, so i wont have to worry too much, rarely gets that hot around here.
 
#76
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SagebrushShooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackops_2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Hey could be worse..could be mud, mosquitoes, 90+ temps and 100% humidity
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Wow, that sounds like an absolutely wonderful time
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Wow, that sounds like Tallahassee.
 
#77
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carter Mayfield</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shot in 115 deg temps and ended up with pierced primers. Not cool. </div></div>

And Folks....There you have it! Typical Alliant two season load. Screw that.
 
#80
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Still waiting on my .308 Palma barrel.

Played with the MR 2000 yesterday with my .223 Spacegun & A2 service rifle.

I was a little disapointed in the velocities. Both rifles liked 24.0 grains with the .77 gr Nos CC bit 2520fps Ave in the A2 and 2560fps in the spacegun with it's 26" barrel.

Tried working higher but the pressures became a problem up around 25.6gr without finding another node.

I'm not sure what to think about the 80gr Amax or 80gr Nos CC's. I didn't find anything in the whole test that shot well.

Using Tula primers in LC09 cases. I seated the 80 Amax's .030 off the lands, what my normal seating depth with Varget and Tac runs and shoots well. Seating for the Nos 80gr CC's was .010 off the lands from previous accuracy loadings also.

The spacegun shot the 24.0/77gr Nos 4 shots under 1/2" @ 200yds, the A2 shot just under 3/4" but it could have to do with the carry-handle mounting of the scope/cheek-weld issues. That was impressive but I wish there was more velocity.
 
#82
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Will</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ANYONE, have have results using WW cases for a 308 WIN , either 168 or 175, for that matter 178 AMAX using PP 200 MR ? preferably in a HOT & Humid area ?
Thanks </div></div>

I use 47.5grs with a 178 HPBT and 48grs with 168 AMAX, the latter was shot in my Classic stocked 700 with a 6X scope with a group size of just over an inch,(100yds) should be much better in my SPSS and 24X Burris.
 
#83
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I just started loading 2000mr in my 308 also. Its a custom rifle with a 11 twist and 28 inch Krieger. I'm loving it so far. When I shot groups last Sunday I chronographed to see what I was getting and with 47.6gr with a Berger 185gr Hybrid i was averaging 2800 for 5 shots with an ES of 9. Accuracy is very good, 5 shots at 300 yards measured .954 with 4 of the 5 shots measuring .4 and 1 was pulled as I knew it when I pulled the trigger and it opened the group. At 100 yards its 1 ragged hole for 5 shots. Haven't shot out out past 300 yet with it but will this Saturday in 600 yard FTR match so we'll see how she does. Started at 46.5gr and worked up to 48.3gr but 47.6 was the ticket for accuracy and ES. Temp. was about 90 degree and very humid as I live in south Louisiana. It took 3.8 MOA to get to 300 from 100 yard zero. Hope this may help someone looking to try the powder. I used Lapua brass, CCI BR2 primers.
 
#84
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What is the temp sensitivity like with this particular powder. Is it like the Reloader series?? Hope not! Fixing to buy some 185 hunting vlds for my Gap Crusader and it sounds like this could be a great start. I usually run varget
 
#85
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I haven't shot my load in different temps yet to know but I've read where it is "suppose" to be on par with Varget in that department. Time will tell but so far I like it and another friend of mine just started shooting it in his 308 with the 185's and really likes it also. I bought a couple boxes of the 200gr Hybrids to try with this powder and see what they do. I will post the results when I get around to working up a load for that. Good luck.
 
#86
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If you do enough of a search on here, someone had posted a graph of the difference in velicities at different temps.

MR-2000 isn't nearly as stable as Varget. I'm not sure how it compares with other powders either.

I have some loads I need to test while the weather is hot but haven't had a chance yet.

I'm in the summer hibernate mode when I get off of work, looking for a cold cave to climb into.
 
#87
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I feel ya. Mississippi is same way. Hotter than hell summers with a few colder than hell winters. People I think don't seem to appreciate what a good 20 degree morning down here feels like compared to out west. Humidity is a bitch ain't it. It's so hot this week that if you haven't shot by 7:30 am. You are not gonna be comfortable shooting until the next morning
 
#88
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aimsmall55</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is the temp sensitivity like with this particular powder. Is it like the Reloader series?? Hope not! Fixing to buy some 185 hunting vlds for my Gap Crusader and it sounds like this could be a great start. I usually run varget </div></div>

It isn't as good as varget but it's usable. Better than IMR 4895 and people have used that to shoot targets and kill deer for 60 years.

edit: not sure on exact numbers it feels like 1fps for 2 degrees.
 
#89
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Just tried the 185 vlds and HOLY S%#*! Loaded 46.5 grains of 2000 mr to 2.830" with fg210's. Lapua brass. I don't exactly how measure this group because it was one hole! Know it was flying bc it impacted bit higher than my 175's at 2690. Works great!!! Rifle was a gap crusader wish I knew how to post pics bc this load is a keeper.
 
#90
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Good deal, where did you start and how high did you go with your powder charge? 46.5 was a pretty accurate load in my rifle also but i'm shooting the 185 hybrids with CCI BR2 primers. I kept working up and settled on 47.6 as the accuracy was even better and im still amazed at the velocity im getting without pressure signs. Let us know how it shoots at 300 yards and beyond. Thanks!
 
#91
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I chronyd 46.5 and I'm rirght at 2700. I will stick with this one for now. My reloading station is at the deer camp and my 500 yard range is at home so I will load 20 or so and test at 100 yard increments. I have Shooter app so I will be able to get exact fps based on actual moa per distance. Will post the results on tuesday. I expect given there was just one ragged hole at 100 yards that it will do well out to 1k.
 
#92
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I went back to the range this morning with my chronograph to shoot groups and see whats what. I shot a couple 10 shot groups at 100 yards instead of 5 shot groups to see what my ES would be. Well, here's the result of my 2000MR load (47.6 gr)with CCI BR2 primers, 185 gr Berger Hybrid.

Rifle components: 28 inch 11 twist heavy varmit Krieger, Bat VR action, B & C Medalist A2 stock, Jewell trigger, HS precision bottom metal, and Nightforce NXS 12 X 42 X 56mm scope.

Chrono results:
2784
2790
2789
2791
2793
2785
2794
2792
2792
2797

Average 2791 ftps
ES 13
Group size .647

After shooting this group I shot another 10 shot group with the same powder charge but used Fed 210 Match primers just to see what would happen. Here's the results.

2812
2800
2781
2798
2780
2821
2815
2813
2802
2821

Average Velocity 2804 ftps
ES 41
Group size .976

Temp was 72 degree with wind 8-10 mph.


The last time I chronographed this load with CCI primers I only shot 5 shots and my ES was 9 and speed was 2799 but the temp was over 90 degree. As temps drop in the fall/winter i will post results as i will continually chrono to see what happens but so far this powder has worked out really well. Gonna try it in my 6.5 X 47 with the 140 VLD's and see what happens. At the moment I have a really good load worked up with Varget and 130 VLD but would like to try the 140's with 2000MR.
 
#93
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Went to range today with 46.5 grains and 185 vlds. Lapua brass fg210's. 390 asl 88 degrees. 82% humidity. 2-4 mph wind straight line from 270 degrees. Shot 2 at 100 to confirm zero. Set up ar plate at 520 yards. Results are as follows
3 shot group: elevation 11.0 moa 2.8" group. Never touched windage dials.
5 shot group: elevation 10.9 moa. Group about the same. No wind dials.
Seemed the hotter chamber got the faster they flew. Still grouped well. Ismh that my range needs cutting so I was shooting off a bipod and sand bag standing up to see target. All in all if was a deer..... Dead. Gun was a gap crusader with a night force nxs 5.5x22x56. Bullets were at around 2710 @ muzzle. Promising powder, but as anyone knows only "temp" will tell
 
#95
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I found a good load last night. It's the first load fired with 190SMK which grouped well. Only tried 3 so far. My Dad gave me a bunch of bullets which included the 190SMK, 150SMK (2 styles), 180SMK, and others. I have 500+ of the 190's. Oh yeah!

190 SMK 2.820 OAL
Lapau brass (once fired)
Federal match primer
47gr 2000MR
2684.9 fps ES 25
72Degree F, 70%RH, altitude 694ft, 29.96"

They grouped under .7" at 100 (5 shot) 4 were within .5". I wasn't able to seem my target at 200 yards but, dusted clay pigeons first shot easily. I was surprised at how well they grouped, and the velocity is a bonus. Shooters Ballistic worked well on these and several other loads. One shot, one dead clay pigeon with 5 different loads! It's surprising how much difference there is with 150gr bullets to 190's for the point of impact. I do love 2000MR for 308.
 
#97
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Yesterday, I took a teenager who loves to shoot out to my 200 yard food plot with a bench and chair (used to sight in there) bc he wanted to learn the fundamentals of shooting. Well, we packed up a 17 hmr, 2 .308's and 2 .300 win mags. (I also had an agenda ) set up ar 500 plate at 100 and let him shoot and tried to show him the things like how to read wind from the mirage ect... Well I had loaded up 50 185 vlds for my GA Precision .308 with 46.5 2000-mr. Moved the plate back to 200 yards and WOW! I shot 3 times and impacted literally the same point 1/2 " above the painted orange circle. Come up was 1.5 moa and the best part is the wind was 9-12 mph and I never touched windage dial. This particular load I have dubbed my "bean field" load bc I would feel confident up too 800 yards easy on a big deer. Anyways, thought I'd share that this so far really is an awesome powder for the + 175's
 
#99
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I'll throw in some chrono data for another datum point:

Savage 12 F/TR w/ 29" BR barrel, round count = 295
Berger 185 OTM @ 2.120" base-to-ogive, 2.900" OAL
2x fired Lapua .308 Win brass (large primer)
Fed 210M

46.50 gn 2000MR

MagnetoSpeed chrono

Temp: 70F
Baro: 28.6" Hg
RH: 31%

2797
2807
2796
2783
2812*
2797
2793
2797
2783
2796

Max: 2812
Min: 2783
ES: 29
SD: 8
Avg: 2796

* Someone came up and started yakkin' at me just as I chambered this one... so it set in the chamber a while longer than the rest.
 
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