Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

[Down South]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has anyone used enough of this stuff to get an idea for performance from lot to lot? </div></div>

Not yet but it won't be too long, I have about 2 lbs. left from my original purchase. I just ordered another 16 lbs. from Powder Valley this week so as soon as I start on those jugs with different lot numbers I'll report back with my findings.

 

[Down South]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll throw in some chrono data for another datum point:

Savage 12 F/TR w/ 29" BR barrel, round count = 295
Berger 185 OTM @ 2.120" base-to-ogive, 2.900" OAL
2x fired Lapua .308 Win brass (large primer)
Fed 210M

MagnetoSpeed chrono

Temp: 70F
Baro: 28.6" Hg
RH: 31%

2797
2807
2796
2783
2812*
2797
2793
2797
2783
2796

Max: 2812
Min: 2783
ES: 29
SD: 8
Avg: 2796

* Someone came up and started yakkin' at me just as I chambered this one... so it set in the chamber a while longer than the rest. </div></div>

Thats pretty close to what i'm getting velocity wise with my gun (28 inch barrel) and the 185gr Hybrids but my ES is much lower. I had much better luck with CCI primers with this powder than the Federals as far as ES. Another thing I noticed was when I tried different seating depths further out of the lands my ES was higher. My best load is in the lands but its wayyyyy too long to fit in a mag. (47.6 gr)

 

[memilanuk]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

pcschwenke: I updated that post with the charge weight: 46.5gn

Down South: I just ordered a couple jugs of this stuff from Powder Valley as well. Hopefully it'll be here by late next week or so. I still have >= 1/2 lb of this batch (two 1lb. bottles), so if time allows I might be able to do some chrono testing.

I haven't used CCI BR2 primers for years... accuracy was never an issue, just couldn't match the ES/SD numbers of 210Ms with Varget or N150 behind a B155VLD - and later B155.5BT. It may be possible that the BR2s would work better with the ball powder and/or heavier bullet.

FWIW, I do my initial load tune by going with a lower charge weight and tuning seating depth for what appears to be best accuracy. The idea being to get 'close', and not end up chasing my tail trying to test charge weights at a seating depth the barrel doesn't like. Usually I do go back and fine-tune the seating depth a bit later once I have a final charge weight - and I haven't done that yet on this barrel/load. Right now the B185 OTMs are 10 thou back (-0.010") from a hard jam.

Unfortunately I'm kind of heading into a time crunch period so further testing may not be as... complete as I would like.

What I'm really looking forward to with this stuff is setting up my Dillon RL-550B with ye ole' yank-n-crank powder measure, some S190MKs, and churning out rounds for my little tacticool Sav 10PC...

 

[Down South]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">pcschwenke: I updated that post with the charge weight: 46.5gn

Down South: I just ordered a couple jugs of this stuff from Powder Valley as well. Hopefully it'll be here by late next week or so. I still have >= 1/2 lb of this batch (two 1lb. bottles), so if time allows I might be able to do some chrono testing.

I haven't used CCI BR2 primers for years... accuracy was never an issue, just couldn't match the ES/SD numbers of 210Ms with Varget or N150 behind a B155VLD - and later B155.5BT. It may be possible that the BR2s would work better with the ball powder and/or heavier bullet.

FWIW, I do my initial load tune by going with a lower charge weight and tuning seating depth for what appears to be best accuracy. The idea being to get 'close', and not end up chasing my tail trying to test charge weights at a seating depth the barrel doesn't like. Usually I do go back and fine-tune the seating depth a bit later once I have a final charge weight - and I haven't done that yet on this barrel/load. Right now the B185 OTMs are 10 thou back (-0.010") from a hard jam.

Unfortunately I'm kind of heading into a time crunch period so further testing may not be as... complete as I would like.

What I'm really looking forward to with this stuff is setting up my Dillon RL-550B with ye ole' yank-n-crank powder measure, some S190MKs, and churning out rounds for my little tacticool Sav 10PC...

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I don't know for sure if the CCI's will drop your ES but it did mine with this powder/bullet combo. Like you said, maybe its cause its a ball powder with heavy bullets. Now, with my other 308 I have a really good load worked up with Varget/168 VLD and Fed 210 match primers that has a good ES. Never tried 2000mr in that rifle as I already had the Varget load worked up and it shoots great so I didn't fool with it but i'm not getting the speed I get with 2000mr. I'm curious to see your results with further testing and if you try the CCI primers. Keep us updated, thanks.

 

[Aimsmall55]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

Fed 210 lapua brass. 46.5 out of a gap crusader with 23" bbl is giving me 2715@ muzzle with the 185 vlds. Incredible velocity with no op. Just hope no intense temp sensitivity. Is "literally" driving tacs

 

[memilanuk]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

Got the 8 lb jugs in today...

Holy freakin' over-packaging, Batman!

8lb jug of Varget (which has *some* air space in it) along side an 8lb 'jug' (tank? vat?) of 2000MR...

Pic 1

Pic 2

 

[Down South]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: memilanuk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Got the 8 lb jugs in today...

Holy freakin' over-packaging, Batman!

8lb jug of Varget (which has *some* air space in it) along side an 8lb 'jug' (tank? vat?) of 2000MR...

Pic 1

Pic 2

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Mine came in this week also and I thought the same thing. When I opened the box and seen those two jugs (8 lb each) I thought they were 16 lb jugs.....lol

 

[1lnbrdg]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

Being the anally-retentive personality that I am, the new jugs work for me.

I always buy 2 jugs, just to have enough of the same lot? Even then, I blend it all together to make sure I have the same all the way thru.

It's a lot easier to blend with the new jugs.

It's the same size of an old Unique jug I've been holding on to for ~15 yrs.

 

[Aimsmall55]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

has anybody shot threw a chrony to see if this powder is Alliant "temp sensitive" like the reloader series of their powders yet??

 

[Down South]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aimsmall55</div><div class="ubbcode-body">has anybody shot threw a chrony to see if this powder is Alliant "temp sensitive" like the reloader series of their powders yet??</div></div>

I haven't shot through the chrono lately with it but I used it this weekend in the LA state match with my normal load I worked up in the heat of summer and it shot as good as it normally does and the temps were in the 50's yesterday morning. I will keep using it through out the winter and see what happens.

 

[pcschwenke]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

I shot a load consisting of 47.5gr of 2000MR and the 175 SMK over the coarse of several months. All loaded on the same date. The largest temperature swing has been 40 degrees F with only 10 fps change. Not bad I'd say.

 

[Down South]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pcschwenke</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I shot a load consisting of 47.5gr of 2000MR and the 175 SMK over the coarse of several months. All loaded on the same date. The largest temperature swing has been 40 degrees F with only 10 fps change. Not bad I'd say. </div></div>

Thats pretty dang good, I will chrono mine and see what happens when it gets colder.

 

[ofelas]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

Anyone use 2000-MR with Sierra 155smk or 190smk?

 

[Down South]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ofelas</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone use 2000-MR with Sierra 155smk or 190smk?</div></div>

Look at pcschwenke's post about 20 above this one, he's shooting 190 SMKs. My buddy I shoot with is shooting the 175 MKs with Varget and getting good results but is about to try 2000MR with the 175s and 190 MKs. I'm curious to see the results myself.

 

[cmh2007]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

i am using it with 155 scenars and making almost 3100fps with it. but my barrel is seriously fast, and showing a tendancy toward 175/178's. I am just using up my 155's that i have left over

 

[Down South]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

Shot my normal match load with 2000MR in my 308 this past weekend at 1000 yards and the temp was 47 degree at the time I shot. It shot very well. I worked up the load in heat of summer so I was really interested to see what was gonna happen as the temp dropped. So far so good. We'll see what happens as it gets colder.

 

[Down South]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

Pulled the chrono out again yesterday at the range as the temps were pretty cool with a front passing through. Temp was 48 degree and WINDY. I shoot the hybrids and juggernauts with the same powder charge and get pretty much the same group sizes as both are very accurate bullets. Here's the result of the juggernaut load yesterday.

(1) 2772
(2) 2777 Avg speed 2772
(3) 2769 ES 8
(4) 2772
(5) 2771

This was my 308 with 28 inch Krieger 11 twist
185gr Juggernaut loaded 2.230 base to ogive
CCI BR2 Primer
Brand new Lapua brass w/zero prep work straight out the box

From what im seeing with PP 2000MR is that its less than 1 ftps per 1 degree temp change. I haven't chronographed my other rifles lately that I have Varget loads worked up for but a couple friends of mine have and they were telling me that they were seeing temp changes with Varget also not far off from what im seeing with 2000MR. I will test my Varget loads and report back with what I find.

 

[thespecialist]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

Tried this powder for the first time in my 700 Police this morning. It seemed to like 47.3gr under the 178gr Amax, seated to 2.205" to the ogive in Winchester brass with Rem 9 1/2's.

Muzzle velocity was 2746 with an ES of 10 in virgin brass. 47.6gr was only a few fps faster, ES of 11fps.

 

[Aimsmall55]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

Best powder out there right now for the .308's if you ask me. Tested a load this morning. It's 46 degrees. 48.0 2000 mr. 175 smks, lapua brass, 2.825 oal. Fgm210m. Average WAS 2777 fps w/ chrony at 12 feet. Sd don't remember but they were all in one hole at 100 yards. And this is out of a 22" bartlein on a GAP Crusader. shooting in a match next weekend. Will let you know how temp by chamber and atmosphere effects this load.

 

[BoilerUP]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

Anybody shooting this stuff in a 223/223AI with 75gr+ bullets?

 

[Down South]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BoilerUP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody shooting this stuff in a 223/223AI with 75gr+ bullets?</div></div>

I've seen on the forum that a few guys posted that they were having good luck with 2000MR and the 90gr VLDs. I think this powder will shoot well with many different calibers.

 

[MitchAlsup]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: seaaggie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i am using it with 155 scenars and making almost 3100fps with it. </div></div>

What ended up to be your load recipie, here, with 155 scenars?
How long is your barrel?

 

[Huntr]

Re: Range Report: Alliant 2000-MR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MitchAlsup</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: seaaggie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i am using it with 155 scenars and making almost 3100fps with it. </div></div>

What ended up to be your load recipie, here, with 155 scenars?
How long is your barrel? </div></div>

I would like to know that as well...

 

[haroldwilson]

I tried this powder out today. Rifle is Savage 308 F/TR w/ 30" barrel with Berger 185 Juggernaut at .020 jump. I had not found this thread beforehand or I might have started with a higher charge. I did find really good accuracy between 42 and 44.5 grains, sub 1/4 minute at 100 yds at 44.4 gr. The top left target was three shots at different charges, 41.9, 42.7, and 43.5. Something seems to be going on down at that charge level. Not sure the velocity as I don't have a chrono yet, but I am not sure it will get me to 1000 yds.

I worked up to 46.7 and did not find anything with nearly as tight groups as the 44.4 charge. I am going to try to run it up to 48 gr tomorrow and see what I get. Maybe I will find something right at or just over 47 gr. The 48 gr worries me as I live in the south and it gets way over 90 down here in the summer. It can be 80/85 at dawn during a hot summer.

I am going to work it up from 45 gr. This is a brand new rifle and I am not used to it, so I would like to make sure I didn't screw the pooch on some of the shots though the top two targets lead me to believe I was capable today as these were all fired round robin, not one target at a time. After that I will experiment with length.

 

[smschulz]

Originally Posted By: MitchAlsup
Originally Posted By: seaaggie
i am using it with 155 scenars and making almost 3100fps with it.



What ended up to be your load recipie, here, with 155 scenars?
How long is your barrel?

I know this post is a bit old but a couple weeks ago at the range a guy was shooting the same.
155 Scenars
50-51gn Alliant 2000-MR
almost 3100fps
Jump almost on lands .001 claimed

Don't recall the accuracy but I was kind of shocked on the load/results.

 

[haroldwilson]

Found It

Found it at 47 grains. 47.5 looks decent as well. 48 wasn't as good. I would like to shoot this load in the heat before I try to go any higher.

 

[afate45]

I posted in the 308 load section in Reloading Depot my results with the 155 Scenars and this powder. 3000FPS with ease out of a 24in barrel. http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-hide-reloading-depot/479-loads-308-winchester-13.html

I also tested the 175 SMK...2770 FPS for a 175 is just flat out amazing. Can't wait to try this powder with other heavies like the 208 AMAX.

 

[Fatelvis]

Anyone else using 2000mr with a 175SMK? Can you share your findings/loads? Thanks-

 

[LANCER]

Trying to resurrect an old post, but I just got 2 pounds of this to work up loads in a gas gun 18" barrel. How does this shoot out of an AR10? I'll be using 175smk's but not set on a particular bullet. Might try 168's as well. Ranges no longer than 600-800.

 

[FLIGHT762]

GAP 10 308 22". 45.0 200MR 178 AMAX / .7-.8 MOA @ 300 yards. 46.0 MR 2000 / 175 Nosler CC / .6-.7MOA @ 100 yards. 45.0 W/AMAX load shot 2611 FPS / AVG.

 

[LANCER]

GAP 10 308 22". 45.0 200MR 178 AMAX / .7-.8 MOA @ 300 yards. 46.0 MR 2000 / 175 Nosler CC / .6-.7MOA @ 100 yards. 45.0 W/AMAX load shot 2611 FPS / AVG.

So it's safe to assume that I can expect lower port pressures vs varget or 4064? I'm liking the fact it's a ball powder and would load it on a 1050 using meticulously prepped LC-LR cases. I'll do a work up this weekend and see. Thanks for your data.

 

[FLIGHT762]

I don't worry about port pressure in an AR-10. I only worry about it in my Garands (3) and M-1A's (2). Your brass will tell you when yoy've gone too high. Nasty ejector swipes & primer flattening. No op rod to bend in an AR-10. I've been loading for an SR-25 since 1993 and a GAP 10 since 2013.

In my bolt guns, I'm able to go to 46.5-47.5 with a 175-178, depending on brass volume before getting into pressure issues.

 

[LANCER]

I don't worry about port pressure in an AR-10. I only worry about it in my Garands (3) and M-1A's (2). Your brass will tell you when yoy've gone too high. Nasty ejector swipes & primer flattening. No op rod to bend in an AR-10. I've been loading for an SR-25 since 1993 and a GAP 10 since 2013.

In my bolt guns, I'm able to go to 46.5-47.5 with a 175-178, depending on brass volume before getting into pressure issues.

Thanks. Can I ask what brass you use? I have access to lots of Fed 308, Lapua, IMI Match, and LC-LR. All these have similar case capacity but the LC-LR is the best brass of the bunch so far. I don't want to use Lapua in a gas gun. I use a LMT MWS which is overgassed hence my concern about losing all my brass due to the nature of the action. I cannot use an adjustable gas block, nor does my Gemtech bolt carrier work reliably in this rifle. I do want to reuse my brass, but I blow all primer pockets whenever I run suppressed, regardless of load unless I use less than minimum book charges and atrocious velocities.
I like the idea of this powder, and as long as I can get 2550 fps out of my 18" barrel (and sub MOA) I'll be happy. Seems like it might just work.

 

[FLIGHT762]

The brass I used for testing was some old Military once fired "WCC69" brass, which is on the thicker side. I have a few hundred cases that I picked up many years ago and I'm trying to use these up in the GAP 10.

I also have a variety of brass that I've tested in the GAP 10, Fed. Comm. / Hornady / Winchester / R/P and IMI.