Range Rover vs Bikers

[EventHorizon]

Yawn, bikers, pfft. The only ones with balls are the ones who do the Isle of Man TT race. The rest are closet homos in leathers with bad hygenie. At Uni there were a few who had the notion that Sundays were for seeing who could wear down knee pads the fastest. They were crazy but skilled.

One of my friendliest punch ups on tours was with a 'chapter' in a nice pub in Canterbury. Rugby vs the village people... Oh how we sang while they whimpered off on their 'hogs'.

This whole 'gang' thing reminds me of a quote from one of my favorite philosophers:

“Solitude is strength; to depend on the presence of the crowd is weakness. The man who needs a mob to nerve him is much more alone than he imagines.”

― Paul Brunton

 

[Sako man]

As far as these douches on bikes in NYC, and I am biker, a lone wolf extreme biker that takes no sht, the guy that got run over brake checking a rover gets what he deserves, the guy that panicked and ran got what he deserved. The riders are not a biker gang, they are a gang, not against the law but where people are armed they are less prevalent, they just happen to be riding bikes, badly I might add. All those making fun and threatening these jerkoffs are what everyone who rides expects from everyone who drives a car. You all drive like sht, put the cell phone down, pay attention, pay attention.

I ride, BMW, Ducati, have em and yes I do not care to ride around SUV's, that said I have a RR Discovery as well. But as a rider i'm sensitive to others when I'm driving my SUV. And I believe that anti SUV and fuk-da-Man attitude is what may have inspired these upstanding citizens to intimidate that poor guy and his family. Perhaps he was on his cell phone, either way get away from him then, don't get closer.

I think he did a great job of not running over more of those fuck heads. If it was me I probably would have accidentally run over more of them.

But the lesson here is never stop if you can avoid it, that's how they got him in the end.

 

[wilecoyote]

Yawn, bikers, pfft. The only ones with balls are the ones who do the Isle of Man TT race. The rest are closet homos in leathers with bad hygenie. At Uni there were a few who had the notion that Sundays were for seeing who could wear down knee pads the fastest. They were crazy but skilled.

One of my friendliest punch ups on tours was with a 'chapter' in a nice pub in Canterbury. Rugby vs the village people... Oh how we sang while they whimpered off on their 'hogs'.

This whole 'gang' thing reminds me of a quote from one of my favorite philosophers:

“Solitude is strength; to depend on the presence of the crowd is weakness. The man who needs a mob to nerve him is much more alone than he imagines.”

― Paul Brunton

Sir,
could you say here to wich MC belong this "chapter", maybe ?

 

[xdpatriot]

Yawn, bikers, pfft. The only ones with balls are the ones who do the Isle of Man TT race. The rest are closet homos in leathers with bad hygenie. At Uni there were a few who had the notion that Sundays were for seeing who could wear down knee pads the fastest. They were crazy but skilled.

One of my friendliest punch ups on tours was with a 'chapter' in a nice pub in Canterbury. Rugby vs the village people... Oh how we sang while they whimpered off on their 'hogs'.

This whole 'gang' thing reminds me of a quote from one of my favorite philosophers:

“Solitude is strength; to depend on the presence of the crowd is weakness. The man who needs a mob to nerve him is much more alone than he imagines.”

― Paul Brunton

I hear ya! There's posers everywhere! And Switch ain't no poser.

 

[Slapchop]

I hear ya! There's posers everywhere!

+1
This place is rife with posers lol

 

[grayghost]

While I agree, people should give riders plenty of room, I know I do. You could've chose any vehicle in the world to drive. The dangers you face are just the consequences of your decisions. The guy in the Range Rover was protecting his family, nothing more. The riders were in the wrong.

I agree the bikers were at fault no doubt. All I'm saying is that a lot of people today are so wrapped up in themselves that they lack respect for others. If there late you had better get out of there way, if they want to text while driving it's your fault if they hit you.

 

[xdpatriot]

I agree the bikers were at fault no doubt. All I'm saying is that a lot of people today are so wrapped up in themselves that they lack respect for others. If there late you had better get out of there way, if they want to text while driving it's your fault if they hit you.

Absolutely correct.

 

[Slapchop]

+2. I’ve heard from a reliable source that SlapChop is actually a back alley vender of counterfeit buttplugs and is not the Cop he claims to be.

+3

Of which you are my most loyal customer

 

[Ticeman]

If this Armor Company gets a certain amount of views, they're gonna do the RR for free, pretty good stuff!

Our Two Cents: Range Rover Runs Over Bikers in NYC - YouTube

 

[SnakeDoctor27]

This Forum is an example of the Bike world, on here you have actual Snipers and shooter... and on the other hand you have the posers and wanabees... and i would bet the 80/20 rule applies(80%posers to 20%real)... All bikers are not gangsters or thugs, yet real bikers know it is a whole different lifestyle and way of thinking that would be unfamiliar to a non biker. Just like real snipers and shooters know engagement of target shooting back(or ability to) vs target shooting differs.... so people who have never engaged cannot even comment on those situations because they do not or have not ever lived that life... and again just because u ride a bike dose not make you a biker... just the same as if you own a precision rife its does not make u a sniper.

the SUV driver should have never even been on the road behind the wheel he had a revoked license. the biker shouldnt have slowed down so fast.. the fault is on both parties... the driver got what he deserved, the SUV driver probably panicked because he himself didnt want to be caught by the cops because he had no license, which probably triggered his irrational behavior. i have rode with groups that have shut down highways and roads IN every major city in TEXAS and not once have we had these issues. and i guess lucky for us(more like you) that none of you run em over shoot them up cowboys was around because it would have ended worse.

 

[Slapchop]

the SUV driver should have never even been on the road behind the wheel he had a revoked license. the biker shouldnt have slowed down so fast.. the fault is on both parties... the driver got what he deserved, the SUV driver probably panicked because he himself didnt want to be caught by the cops because he had no license, which probably triggered his irrational behavior. i have rode with groups that have shut down highways and roads IN every major city in TEXAS and not once have we had these issues. and i guess lucky for us(more like you) that none of you run em over shoot them up cowboys was around because it would have ended worse.

Where are you getting this from? Don't just come on here and make an allegation that the Range Rover driver had no license. Back it up with a credible and reputable source. It was the crippled biker that never had a license. You have your "facts" backwards. Intentionally no doubt.

 

[xdpatriot]

This Forum is an example of the Bike world, on here you have actual Snipers and shooter... and on the other hand you have the posers and wanabees... and i would bet the 80/20 rule applies(80%posers to 20%real)... All bikers are not gangsters or thugs, yet real bikers know it is a whole different lifestyle and way of thinking that would be unfamiliar to a non biker. Just like real snipers and shooters know engagement of target shooting back(or ability to) vs target shooting differs.... so people who have never engaged cannot even comment on those situations because they do not or have not ever lived that life... and again just because u ride a bike dose not make you a biker... just the same as if you own a precision rife its does not make u a sniper.

the SUV driver should have never even been on the road behind the wheel he had a revoked license. the biker shouldnt have slowed down so fast.. the fault is on both parties... the driver got what he deserved, the SUV driver probably panicked because he himself didnt want to be caught by the cops because he had no license, which probably triggered his irrational behavior. i have rode with groups that have shut down highways and roads IN every major city in TEXAS and not once have we had these issues. and i guess lucky for us(more like you) that none of you run em over shoot them up cowboys was around because it would have ended worse.

Noone on here said anything about running over bikers for shutting down streets. If the fact is the guy didn't have a license, you're right, he shouldn't have been on the road. That doesn't mean some wanna be bad asses should pull him from his vehicle. That's when they were ran over, when THEY attempted to enter his vehicle unlawfully. I for one absolutely would not run over any bike rider for shutting down a highway, it's not worth injuring someone over a little inconvenience. I don't live in a major city IN TEXAS either, never have, never will. Good luck with your threats against people. You can tell yourself and everyone else whatever makes you feel tough. I dont lie to myself. Stay safe.

 

[Khavic]

Are you retarded??

The SUV driver had a license. He was out celebrating his 1 year anniversary with his wife.

The motorcycle rider had no license. The motorcycle rider intentionally brake checked the SUV driver. The motorcycle riders surrounded and blocked in the SUV driver. The motorcycle riders put themselves in front of the SUV, in the middle of the highway, and essentially put the driver of the SUV in a fight or flight position. The SUV driver chose flight and went straight out of the situation.

That group of motorcycle riders is very lucky that they chose to assault a person who was willing to be drug from his vehicle rather than run any more of them over. He should have put his hevicle in reverse when he hit traffic and ran over whoever he had to to protect himself and his family. I can say with great confidence that I would have ran over many more bikes and possibly their riders if I had been in his position.

 

[Slapchop]

If the fact is the guy didn't have a license, you're right, he shouldn't have been on the road.

Where are you people getting this from?

 

[xdpatriot]

Where are you people getting this from?

I'm not saying he didn't have a license. There's guys on here spewing that. I'm simply saying if it WAS true he shouldn't have been behind the wheel. With most of the bike riders' plates being stolen, I'm sure they're the ones without licenses. (Not grouping all riders in that category). Ill add to this though. I don't think it matters if his license is suspended. He still has a right to defend his family. Shit, a convicted felon has a right to defend his family with what tools he has at his legal disposal. That's all this guy did. Protect his family.

 

[Sniper Uncle]

Where are you getting this from? Don't just come on here and make an allegation that the Range Rover driver had no license. Back it up with a credible and reputable source. It was the crippled biker that never had a license. You have your "facts" backwards. Intentionally no doubt.

This Forum is an example of the Bike world, on here you have actual Snipers and shooter... and on the other hand you have the posers and wanabees... and i would bet the 80/20 rule applies(80%posers to 20%real)... All bikers are not gangsters or thugs, yet real bikers know it is a whole different lifestyle and way of thinking that would be unfamiliar to a non biker. Just like real snipers and shooters know engagement of target shooting back(or ability to) vs target shooting differs.... so people who have never engaged cannot even comment on those situations because they do not or have not ever lived that life... and again just because u ride a bike dose not make you a biker... just the same as if you own a precision rife its does not make u a sniper.

the SUV driver should have never even been on the road behind the wheel he had a revoked license. the biker shouldnt have slowed down so fast.. the fault is on both parties... the driver got what he deserved, the SUV driver probably panicked because he himself didnt want to be caught by the cops because he had no license, which probably triggered his irrational behavior. i have rode with groups that have shut down highways and roads IN every major city in TEXAS and not once have we had these issues. and i guess lucky for us(more like you) that none of you run em over shoot them up cowboys was around because it would have ended worse.

Please get your facts straight before you go spouting off, SnakeDoctor.

On another note, I specialize in transporting very large pieces of equipment. I see most bikers are respectful and gracious, and try to give me room. I have lots of blind spots, and try to be conscious of the possibility of bikers around me. That said, I find that those who ride rice burning crotch rockets tend to ride like they own the road. They need to be aware that we often cannot see them, especially as they tend to drive erratically and stupidly, I might add. Just as the principle of "a moving target is harder to hit than a stationary one," I have a principle for all you bikers to remember---"The faster and more erratically you drive, the harder it is for other motorists to keep track of you." Not only do we motorists have to be aware of bikers, but also you bikers have a duty to yourselves and others to drive with respect, and to try to be visible and predictable for your own safety.

 

[Slapchop]

I'm not saying he didn't have a license. There's guys on here spewing that. I'm simply saying if it WAS true he shouldn't have been behind the wheel. With most of the bike riders' plates being stolen, I'm sure they're the ones without licenses. (Not grouping all riders in that category). Ill add to this though. I don't think it matters if his license is suspended. He still has a right to defend his family. Shit, a convicted felon has a right to defend his family with what tools he has at his legal disposal. That's all this guy did. Protect his family.

I agree wholeheartedly with that. I would like for the guys making this claim to provide proof but I guess I shouldn't hold my breath waiting.

 

[pinsandpitons]

Biker injured in NYC road-rage incident recently arrested in Mass. - CBS News

 

[19Scout77]

One more fact that needs clarification. The idiot who did the brake check was named Cruz, the other idiot who was run over was named Mieses.

 

[LanceS4803]

Not in one single article have I read that the RR driver was not licensed.

On the other hand, Mr. Paraplegic NEVER had a license, but 16 traffic offenses.
And, the majority of the motorcycles involved displayed no license plates.

 

[ArmyJerry]

License plates are the mark of the devil hehehe. I cant understand how they can get through a city and down a highway without the police stopping them for no plates.

Not in one single article have I read that the RR driver was not licensed.

On the other hand, Mr. Paraplegic NEVER had a license, but 16 traffic offenses.
And, the majority of the motorcycles involved displayed no license plates.

 

[Slapchop]

License plates are the mark of the devil hehehe. I cant understand how they can get through a city and down a highway without the police stopping them for no plates.

Ahh yes, lets flip this back on the police. It's rather simple though, animals like these just don't stop when signaled to pull over. They'd rather take their chances peeling off at a high rate of speed knowing that they won't be chased. The reason they're no longer chased is because it poses too great a risk to everyone involved.

What I can't understand is why can't they just register their vehicles like everyone else. Oh wait, I do get it, they're entitled savages so the rules don't apply to them.

 

[Okie Gordon]

Interview with one of the bikers who claims the SUV cause the incident by driving in an erratic manner.
Source: Suspect in biker attack video ID'd - CNN.com

This guy is an absolute idiot for coming on TV and making a really stupid claim.
He claims the SUV driver brought about the entire incident by driving in an erratic manner but the videos posted so show the group of cyclists driving silly and stupid and doing a bunch of appallingly stupid stuff on the street.
Switching lanes and crossing multiple lanes of traffic with no regard for other traffic, doing wheelies, running red lights, driving on the sidewalk, etc.
Some of the video show them driving on the wrong side of the road and dodging between oncoming traffic.
One spot on the video shows a couple of four wheelers that are not even street legal.
Deleted Videos Show Asshat Bikers Before Range Rover Attack

Whomever took the videos actually shows himself doing multiple serious violations that hopefully get him (and others in the video) dragged in court and charged with criminal charges.
It looks like shots from a "Fast and Furious" movie set.

I do have to disagree with some who say they would have been armed and shot the first person who tried to drag them out of the SUV.
IF it had happened in a part of the country where law abiding citizens are armed, such as where I live, it would mean that a bunch of the bikers would have had weapons as well.
Think the scenerio thru.
You are one person in a vehicle with your wife and kid surrounded by a large number of morons on cycles.
They corner the vehicle, slash your tires.
One of them breaks a window, open the door.
At that point you (legitimately fearing for the safety of yourself and your family) pull your pistol and shoot the thug.
Now is where things get crazy beacuse you have just shot somebody who has 50 or 100 friends surrounding you, some of which are also armed.
They, in retaliation, pull weapons and begin firing into the vehicle containing you and your wife and child.
End result is everybody in the SUV being in a really bad spot and probably shot multiple times, regardles of who is right or who is wrong.
All I am sayinging is to think it thru far enough to see where it would end.

 

[Unknown]

In a true "fear for the life of yourself or family" situation, the smart thing to do IS to run over the bikers in order to get away. Stopping is precisely what will put you at risk. If the SUV driver were able to stop without hitting anyone in the first place, AND if he or his family was not at risk, I wouldn't think the inconvenience justifies using deadly force (running over people with your SUV).

However, IF the level of force is justified, the means of application of that force is irrelevant. In other words, once he is (or if he is) justified in using deadly force because of the threat to himself or his family, it doesn't matter whether he shoots a biker or runs over him with his SUV. I just hope that he is able to convince the court, or jury that the level of force was justified. Some kind of lawsuit seems inevitable.

 

[xdpatriot]

Interview with one of the bikers who claims the SUV cause the incident by driving in an erratic manner.
Source: Suspect in biker attack video ID'd - CNN.com

This guy is an absolute idiot for coming on TV and making a really stupid claim.
He claims the SUV driver brought about the entire incident by driving in an erratic manner but the videos posted so show the group of cyclists driving silly and stupid and doing a bunch of appallingly stupid stuff on the street.
Switching lanes and crossing multiple lanes of traffic with no regard for other traffic, doing wheelies, running red lights, driving on the sidewalk, etc.
Some of the video show them driving on the wrong side of the road and dodging between oncoming traffic.
One spot on the video shows a couple of four wheelers that are not even street legal.
Deleted Videos Show Asshat Bikers Before Range Rover Attack

Whomever took the videos actually shows himself doing multiple serious violations that hopefully get him (and others in the video) dragged in court and charged with criminal charges.
It looks like shots from a "Fast and Furious" movie set.

I do have to disagree with some who say they would have been armed and shot the first person who tried to drag them out of the SUV.
IF it had happened in a part of the country where law abiding citizens are armed, such as where I live, it would mean that a bunch of the bikers would have had weapons as well.
Think the scenerio thru.
You are one person in a vehicle with your wife and kid surrounded by a large number of morons on cycles.
They corner the vehicle, slash your tires.
One of them breaks a window, open the door.
At that point you (legitimately fearing for the safety of yourself and your family) pull your pistol and shoot the thug.
Now is where things get crazy beacuse you have just shot somebody who has 50 or 100 friends surrounding you, some of which are also armed.
They, in retaliation, pull weapons and begin firing into the vehicle containing you and your wife and child.
End result is everybody in the SUV being in a really bad spot and probably shot multiple times, regardles of who is right or who is wrong.
All I am sayinging is to think it thru far enough to see where it would end.

I know you shouldnt put yourself in the position in the first place, but..

If someone drags me from my vehicle, what are my options?

 

[Khavic]

In a true "fear for the life of yourself or family" situation, the smart thing to do IS to run over the bikers in order to get away. Stopping is precisely what will put you at risk. If the SUV driver were able to stop without hitting anyone in the first place, AND if he or his family was not at risk, I wouldn't think the inconvenience justifies using deadly force (running over people with your SUV).

However, IF the level of force is justified, the means of application of that force is irrelevant. In other words, once he is (or if he is) justified in using deadly force because of the threat to himself or his family, it doesn't matter whether he shoots a biker or runs over him with his SUV. I just hope that he is able to convince the court, or jury that the level of force was justified. Some kind of lawsuit seems inevitable.

The way our country works now it will be to his benefit to go to trial and be proven justified so that he has ammunition to help him when the inevitable civil suit is brought.

We have large groups of motorcyle riders converge on our small town every summer and they never pull the kind of crap these yahoos did. The last time they got too rowdy and began driving up and down main street at high speed our sheriff bought a pickup load of wheat and spread it on the street. It was pretty funny shit. Needless to say they got the point that we wouldn't deal with it when about 18-20 of us locals came out and helped him shovel the wheat. The 60ish riders "slowly" rode out of our town and have never been rowdy like that in the 4 years since.

The thing that bothers me the most about the video is that the driver was at a busy intersection and not one person got out of their vehicle or stepped off the sidewalk to even just say hey what the hell are you doing?

I know I'm just a small town hick, but I just don't understand how people could stand by and watch that without getting involved.

 

[LanceS4803]

In a true "fear for the life of yourself or family" situation, the smart thing to do IS to run over the bikers in order to get away. Stopping is precisely what will put you at risk.

In other words, "Get Off The X"!

 

[Petrov]

In other words, "Get Off The X"!

He said run those clowns over and not hide in a ditch in fetal position.

 

[Okie Gordon]

In a true "fear for the life of yourself or family" situation, the smart thing to do IS to run over the bikers in order to get away. Stopping is precisely what will put you at risk.

He tried that route after bumping the first biker then stopping. We all saw from the video how well that worked out for him.

 

[Okie Gordon]

I know you shouldnt put yourself in the position in the first place, but..

If someone drags me from my vehicle, what are my options?

Some situations just don't have any good options, you are just screwed no matter what you do.

 

[Unknown]

I think his biggest problem was actually stopping rather than keeping on driving, where the 4500 pound SUV has an immense tactical advantage over a 400 pound bike. He should have never turned off the interstate, and should have continued driving until there were enough police to take care of things, or until he ran the bikers out of fuel, or bikers to run over.

 

[Petrov]

I think his biggest problem was actually stopping rather than keeping on driving, where the 4500 pound SUV has an immense tactical advantage over a 400 pound bike. He should have never turned off the interstate, and should have continued driving until there were enough police to take care of things, or until he ran the bikers out of fuel, or bikers to run over.

The police were ACTIVELY avoiding the bikers.

 

[farmerted]

I know I'm just a small town hick, but I just don't understand how people could stand by and watch that without getting involved.

It's NYC, you would have been defenseless. If you were to try and intervene you would have been on the video getting your head smashed with a helmet.

If somebody wants to live in a sh*thole, this is the type of stuff you have to deal with. It's urban culture in America.

 

[Okie Gordon]

The police were ACTIVELY avoiding the bikers.

If you watch footage from the additional video's posted, there was one place where it looked like the group actually drove past two cops.
Not the best quality video so I couldn't tell for sure but they sure looked like cops to me. It was NOT the specific video of the SUV altercation but it was another video posted by the same guy.

I am guessing that the various police departments in the area have had lots of meetings to discuss just how to properly address this "gang" problem.
No telling if anything will come of it but crisis meetings always take place.
In that respect corporate and government mentalities are the same.

 

[sakobob]

+2. I’ve heard from a reliable source that SlapChop is actually a back alley vender of counterfeit buttplugs and is not the Cop he claims to be.

there not counterfeit, there the real deal.

 

[Slapchop]

there not counterfeit, there the real deal.

I love positive customer feedback. Glad you like em!

 

[MtnCreek]

^ That's funny, so freaking stop it! The only reason I took the jab at you was because I found myself agreeing w/ you in this thread and that's something I'm just not comfortable with. Just be a prick cop already! Thanks.

 

[Pat M]

Are you retarded??

The SUV driver had a license. He was out celebrating his 1 year anniversary with his wife.

The motorcycle rider had no license. The motorcycle rider intentionally brake checked the SUV driver. The motorcycle riders surrounded and blocked in the SUV driver. The motorcycle riders put themselves in front of the SUV, in the middle of the highway, and essentially put the driver of the SUV in a fight or flight position. The SUV driver chose flight and went straight out of the situation.

That group of motorcycle riders is very lucky that they chose to assault a person who was willing to be drug from his vehicle rather than run any more of them over. He should have put his hevicle in reverse when he hit traffic and ran over whoever he had to to protect himself and his family. I can say with great confidence that I would have ran over many more bikes and possibly their riders if I had been in his position.

well put, and i hate stupid cagers

 

[Petrov]

I love positive customer feedback. Glad you like em!

I only use sex toys approved by Christ Costa or Travis Haley.

Are your buttplugs "Beard" approved?

 

[Ultraman550]

I hope what has happened here is that more drivers wake up and realize they don't have to take shit from a fuck stick on a motorcycle or several of them when they're driving a 2000 -6000 lb vehicle and a 400 lb cycle has decided to play chicken with them. I hope we see more bikers getting intentionally hit and run over in these packs of pussies so they start to learn.......actually I hope they don't learn so every one of them is killed off.

 

[xdpatriot]

I only use sex toys approved by Christ Costa or Travis Haley.

Are your buttplugs "Beard" approved?

Congratulations! You've won the Internet! Hahahahahaha. That's some funny shit.

 

[2ndamendfan]

The bikers on here who don't condemn how the bikers were riding and acting are idiots pure and simple. Let me guess the bike made them do it. Condoning their actions is paramount to condoning the following individuals for what they did:

Charles Whitman
John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo
James Holems
Adam Lanza
Aaron Alexis

You see those people were gun owners too. There are bad apples in every group and the total rotten ones need to be thrown to the wolves (police/authorities). If not I see a motorcycle ban coming, or at least some electronic device that the authorities can use to disable the bike when you are being a douche bag.

I fully doubt the National Bikers Association is as strong as the National Rifle Association, also there is no Constitutional right for Bikes so it will be a pretty short debate. Oh and since most bikes have no emission controls that is how the ban will start. They will ban them based on pollution.

I can see the tee-shirts now. "outlaw bikes and only outlaws will have them", "pry my handle bars from my cold dead hands".

Next You will see people buying PVC pipe 48" in diameter 7' long with end caps, burying it in the back yard for when "we we are free again"

So in the end police your own or get fucked.

 

[Sako man]

It's interesting. I hear a lot of rhetoric. Poser this and me big bad lone alpha wolf that, snipers vs. target shooters. Or even worse "lets run over bikers." Lots of name calling, come on! Please grow the fuck up. We all agree there are self entitled assholes all around the world who do not use their tools responsibly, and I mean vehicles, weapons, hammers, and dicks. Why, because they have no respect for anyone but themselves. But please stop telling us how bad ass you are and how others are posers, or how bikers should be crushed. The name calling just makes us look bad as a group and sends the wrong message. Now who is acting in a pack mentality? Last thing we need is any bad PR.

There is no doubt that those guys on the bikes acted recklessly, there is no defense for their actions. But to blame bikers or motorists of any nature is ignorant. Get to the root of the problem not the secondary details. You may not realize it but it's like blaming the AR for all the bad stuff and not the psycho carrying it. Do I want justice, fuck yeah! But I'm not going to call on it at the sake of marginalizing others. Please be aware.

Thanks

 

[Sean the Nailer]

It's interesting. I hear a lot of rhetoric. Poser this and me big bad lone alpha wolf that, snipers vs. target shooters. Or even worse "lets run over bikers." Lots of name calling, come on! Please grow the fuck up. We all agree there are self entitled assholes all around the world who do not use their tools responsibly, and I mean vehicles, weapons, hammers, and dicks. You forgot Gavels and Pens. (Lawmakers and Judges). Why, because they have no respect for anyone but themselves. But please stop telling us how bad ass you are and how others are posers, or how bikers should be crushed. The name calling just makes us look bad as a group and sends the wrong message. Now who is acting in a pack mentality? Last thing we need is any bad PR.

There is no doubt that those guys on the bikes acted recklessly, there is no defense for their actions. But to blame bikers or motorists of any nature is ignorant. Get to the root of the problem not the secondary details. You may not realize it but it's like blaming the AR for all the bad stuff and not the psycho carrying it. Do I want justice, fuck yeah! But I'm not going to call on it at the sake of marginalizing others. Please be aware.

Thanks

Otherwise, I pretty much agree with everything you said here. And thanks for that, because this thread went to shit long ago, and all it is, is a constant "tennis match" of back-and-forth bullshit.

I ride, and have ridden for years. Them idiots don't deserve to ride the roads that 'general society' uses. Keep that shit to the private property and/or track. Or better yet, the circus-tent. This has been a gong-show all the way around.

 

[Slapchop]

In the latest and not too surprising development, it appears that there may have been a few NYPD "cops" among the pack of animals and they did nothing to stop or report this cowardly attack. If this is true excuse me while I go hang my head in shame.

 

[LanceS4803]

In the latest and not too surprising development, it appears that there may have been a few NYPD "cops" among the pack of animals and they did nothing to stop or report this cowardly attack.

From a fellow LEO, that is disappointing.

 

[Slapchop]

And embarrassing to say the least. Hopefully the job hunts them down, fires them and if warranted, prosecutes them criminally.

 

[ArmaHeavy]

If this is true excuse me while I go hang my head in shame.

Every barrel(organization) has it's bad apples. They may have shamed the NYPD(their cases still need to be heard, full story and all), the NYPD didn't shame them.

 

[diverdon]

In the latest and not too surprising development, it appears that there may have been a few NYPD "cops" among the pack of animals and they did nothing to stop or report this cowardly attack. If this is true excuse me while I go hang my head in shame.

Undercover NYPD Cop Watched SUV Driver Get Beaten - Yahoo Here is a link to the story. Undercover cops often see crimes that they do not stop.

 

[ArmaHeavy]

Undercover NYPD Cop Watched SUV Driver Get Beaten - Yahoo Here is a link to the story. Undercover cops often see crimes that they do not stop.

Also crimes that they can't. The incident was videotaped, and obviously on the internet faster then the send button was hit. He can't really go dancing around with the badge out while the amateur paparazzi make snuff films with the cell phones, can he?

Guy was also on a motorcycle. Plus the story says that he notified his superiors days later. One could make an assumption that his case might have had something to do with this particular group, or this event.

Anyone believe in coincidences?