Rifle Scopes Razor HD or Night force NXS with FFP

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gstaylorg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hopefully, many of us will never have to answer this question. But ask yourself this, if your life ever DID depend on your equipment, would you rather be counting on your Bushnell or a Nightforce? I'll take the NF and know it will do its job. Can you really put a price tag on that? </div></div>

Yeah, it is very dangerous at a one way range while sitting on a bench.
 
#52
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pyrolater</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I totally agree with that statement. If the glass is crap thats a good reason not to buy but at this price range I expect good glass and its not a big factor in my decision. Thats why I never asked the question " which scope has the best glass" </div></div>

This is just a suggestion.

Bushnell makes a couple of nice illuminated variable scopes with mil reticle and mil knobs. One up to 12x, and one up to 24x.

Good glass is the bonus here.
 
#53
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The only high-end scope I used is Vortex Razor HD. But when choosing it, I've checked the specs, manuals, reviews, etc. of several other scopes up to S&B PMII (didn't look up anything more expensive than that).

My conclusion was that Razor HD offered the best buck for the money and came with all the features I needed with the good enough quality - for the price I could pay. <span style="font-style: italic">Wish I could say "...could pay comfortably"
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After using Razor HD on 308 Win (Rem 700 & AICS platforms) and 338 Lapua Magnum (DTA SRS) I can say I'm very happy with it (and I did look at the same targets through other guys' NF and S&B scopes mounted on their rifles - no regrets).
 
#54
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I brought up glass in my post as it's one of the factors to look at in a scope but to me the most important thing is that the scope tracks perfectly and the reticle subtends perfectly. I can get by with glass that isn't crystal clear but if I am dialing one thing and the scope is actually moving something different then that is a miss and I can't get by with that.

And to answer your question as to why glass is brought up so often it's because that's the thing people see first and honestly alot of people buy scopes and don't test them as far as tracking and reticles. They just assume they work and just talk about the glass in their new scope. Very relative also as you get a guy going from a Barska to a Leupold he thinks the Leupold the best clearest glass ever but then another guy goes from Leupold to Nightforce and the Leupold was like looking through a dirty window. And so on and so on.
 
#55
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, it is very dangerous at a one way range while sitting on a bench.</div></div>

Some of the folks here prepare and practice to shoot people for a living. Others like my self shoot in some kind of competition of one kind of another. Thats why I am asking these people for advice on a 2K purchase.

If I wanted to to buy a 12x Bushnell I'd go to Walmart for advice. If you want to learn some thing please feel free to participate but if your going to act like an uninformed Walmart Associate go someplace else.
 
#56
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Tracking, durability and reticle are the primary requirements. To get what I desire in those three areas I have to shell out some cash. If I am going to drop that coin on a scope, it better have good quality glass.

Now when you get into the upper range of rifle scopes you have to nit pick or you end up with the "any of them are adequate" argument.

Now if I were to use your glass analogy and apply it to the weapons they are mounted to....why buy a $4K custom GAP? A factory Remington or Savage will accomplish what most of the members here are trying to do?

The answer to that is two-fold. First, because we can. Second, because when you get into the upper end of the shooting skills you need every advantage you can get.

Now those of us who do this professionally want the best because we may be stuck behind that scope for HOURS looking for intimate details on a nasty, foggy, rainy or snowy night with really bad lighting conditions. Is that a cell phone....or a gun?

I have cheap glass and I have expensive glass. If your cheap glass does what you need, you are a lucky man. Just don't get all bent because you can't understand why some of us buy the expensive stuff. If the market didn't support it, it would go away.
 
#57
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pyrolater</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, it is very dangerous at a one way range while sitting on a bench.</div></div>

Some of the folks here prepare and practice to shoot people for a living. Others like my self shoot in some kind of competition of one kind of another. Thats why I am asking these people for advice on a 2K purchase.

If I wanted to to buy a 12x Bushnell I'd go to Walmart for advice. If you want to learn some thing please feel free to participate but if your going to act like an uninformed Walmart Associate go someplace else.

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I am sure some people here do shoot people for a living, but of those who shoot to kill for a living, I am sure only a select few uses optics that are 10x and higher. 99.999% of us who uses high magnified optics do so at a one way range or am I wrong about this too? Or are you telling me everyone on here is squad scout sniper?

Also even if you are one of the select few that uses high end optics to kill people for a living. Why would you be on here asking for advice on purchase? Don't you already have a scope that was issued to you?
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The Bushnell Mil/Mil Scopes are about $900. Not really chump change. They do track nice and return to zero. Don't be offended, it's just a suggestion. I apologize if my suggestion offended you because you are too good for a Bushnell.
 
#58
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Tracking, durability and reticle are the primary requirements. To get what I desire in those three areas I have to shell out some cash. If I am going to drop that coin on a scope, it better have good quality glass.

Now when you get into the upper range of rifle scopes you have to nit pick or you end up with the "any of them are adequate" argument.

Now if I were to use your glass analogy and apply it to the weapons they are mounted to....why buy a $4K custom GAP? A factory Remington or Savage will accomplish what most of the members here are trying to do?

The answer to that is two-fold. First, because we can. Second, because when you get into the upper end of the shooting skills you need every advantage you can get.

Now those of us who do this professionally want the best because we may be stuck behind that scope for HOURS looking for intimate details on a nasty, foggy, rainy or snowy night with really bad lighting conditions. Is that a cell phone....or a gun?

I have cheap glass and I have expensive glass. If your cheap glass does what you need, you are a lucky man. Just don't get all bent because you can't understand why some of us buy the expensive stuff. If the market didn't support it, it would go away. </div></div>

I do admit, my NF is nice. I like the MOA reticle with MOA knobs. It also looks cool as hell, I guess that's one of the reasons I bought it. Also NF is a fashion statement! and we all want to be in style right?

However, having used it for awhile, it really does not do anything better than my Leupold Mark4 or Supersniper. But the matching reticle is nice though. At 100 yards, my NF, Mark4, and SS all seem to track equally with ability to return to zero equally.

Yeah I am lucky I have good eyes and can get away with cheaper optics. I guess if I was 100 year old, color blind, weak eye lids, and had coke bottle for glasses, I would have no choice but to spend $2000 for an optic.
 
#59
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If you read the original question, he wanted an opinion on the F1 and the Razor. No where did he mention Bushnell. If he was interested in a scope half the price of the ones he is interested in he would have asked about it. Quit hijacking his thread, all you are trying to do is get this off of topic. And by the way, I've had a SS and they are no where near the level of Nightforce or the Razor, but I guess that would be expected since they are about 1/7th the price.
 
#60
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bward</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you read the original question, he wanted an opinion on the F1 and the Razor. No where did he mention Bushnell. If he was interested in a scope half the price of the ones he is interested in he would have asked about it. Quit hijacking his thread, all you are trying to do is get this off of topic. And by the way, I've had a SS and they are no where near the level of Nightforce or the Razor, but I guess that would be expected since they are about 1/7th the price. </div></div>

I apologize, I did not know it was against forum policy to give an alternate suggestion.

Yeah like I said, I am lucky that I have good eyes and cannot tell a difference in clarity between a NF and SS. Please don't hate me for this. Can't we all just get along?

Since giving an alternate suggestion is not allowed this will be my last post in this thread.
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#61
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Uh oh. The notorious Cartman/Cartmann/EricCartmann rears his ugly head before being banned yet again from forums near and afar.

I may be mistaken, but I recognize your notorious tone, having possibly witnessed it a bit in person and on a different (NV?) forum. Good luck this time around.
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#62
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Swan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Uh oh. The notorious Cartman/Cartmann/EricCartmann rears his ugly head before being banned yet again from forums near and afar.

I may be mistaken, but I recognize your notorious tone, having possibly witnessed it a bit in person and on a different (NV?) forum. Good luck this time around.
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What up Swan! Yeah not to take this thread off topic. But this is a different EricCartmann now. I have my Savage/Mcmillan/NF all set up and ready to go shoot with you guys.. once football ends that is
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#63
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I went through this same process a couple months ago. I had at the time two Nightforces, a Leupold Mk 4 and a few other lesser value scopes. But needed a new scope for a new rifle, so I started to look around for another one.

I asked a bunch of local friends if I could take a look through their scopes and ended up testing out a Razor, IOR, Nightforce with the new High Speed turrets, S&B, and a few lower cost scopes.

When all the dust settled, I personally rated S&B the winner with Nightforce and the Razor in a tie for second.

What I ultimately bought was another Nightforce. I didn't buy the S&B, because of the price. It was a $1000 more than the Nightforce or the Razor. The Razor I didn't buy because of the same issue that has been described before by others.

The Nightforce basically won, because I love the new High Speed Turrets, I was more comfortable behind it because of the other 2 I own, my other ones have never failed me, and it just seems to be the toughest out of them all. (personal opinion)
 
#64
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steelhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I went through this same process a couple months ago. I had at the time two Nightforces, a Leupold Mk 4 and a few other lesser value scopes. But needed a new scope for a new rifle, so I started to look around for another one.

I asked a bunch of local friends if I could take a look through their scopes and ended up testing out a Razor, IOR, Nightforce with the new High Speed turrets, S&B, and a few lower cost scopes.

When all the dust settled, I personally rated S&B the winner with Nightforce and the Razor in a tie for second.

What I ultimately bought was another Nightforce. I didn't buy the S&B, because of the price. It was a $1000 more than the Nightforce or the Razor. The Razor I didn't buy because of the same issue that has been described before by others.

The Nightforce basically won, because I love the new High Speed Turrets, I was more comfortable behind it because of the other 2 I own, my other ones have never failed me, and it just seems to be the toughest out of them all. (personal opinion) </div></div>

Yay Nightforce!

I too have the fast turrets (and zero stop too) and I think they are very handy features. However, glass clarity with my Eagle eyes seem to be to be no different than my Super Sniper, but at least with the NF my reticle and turrets matches.

As for Vortex, I am very impressed with their glass in their binoculars. I tested a $500 Vortex 10x binos side by side with a pair of Svorsky's and the Vortex seemed to be on equal footing in clarity. Tested in all conditions, such as looking at camoflauge jackets in the shadows from accross the store to see if I could make out the pattern. The colors of both matched up pretty evenly, though the the vortex did seem to be very very slightly more yellow. Basically the $500 Vortex was just as good as a $1400 Svorsky to my super sharp Eagle eyes. A 90 year old man that is color blind probably would have noticed the difference between the Svorskis and Vortex, but I did not.

My point is this, If Vortex Bino glass is that good, I don't see why their rifle scopes could not be as good. I think glass quality wise both the NF and Vortex would be equal. Only reason why I would chose a NF over a Vortex is the NF has a better track record of being reliable. Variable scopes do seem to fail a lot, and if you pick Vortex you would be going with something with an unproven track record. The Best Warranties are the ones you don't use!
 
#65
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steelhead</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I went through this same process a couple months ago. I had at the time two Nightforces, a Leupold Mk 4 and a few other lesser value scopes. But needed a new scope for a new rifle, so I started to look around for another one.

I asked a bunch of local friends if I could take a look through their scopes and ended up testing out a Razor, IOR, Nightforce with the new High Speed turrets, S&B, and a few lower cost scopes.

When all the dust settled, I personally rated S&B the winner with Nightforce and the Razor in a tie for second.

What I ultimately bought was another Nightforce. I didn't buy the S&B, because of the price. It was a $1000 more than the Nightforce or the Razor. The Razor I didn't buy because of the same issue that has been described before by others.

The Nightforce basically won, because I love the new High Speed Turrets, I was more comfortable behind it because of the other 2 I own, my other ones have never failed me, and it just seems to be the toughest out of them all. (personal opinion) </div></div>

If I already had a night force I would most likely get another just to keep some consistency in my gear.

I'm kinda leaning towards the Razor and then I start thinking I should get a Nightforce. I need to go out in the garage and fondle my rifle and see what it wants.
 
#66
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I'm kinda slow sometimes so I just noticed the Nightforce doesn't have the typical illumination dial on ocular part of the scope.

The Razor has it were I'm used to seeing and using it. Is the Nightforce illumination setup any better or easier to use than the Razor?
 
#67
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCarrtmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah I am lucky I have good eyes and can get away with cheaper optics. I guess if I was 100 year old, color blind, weak eye lids, and had coke bottle for glasses, I would have no choice but to spend $2000 for an optic. </div></div>

Last time mine was checked it was considerably better than 20/20. No color blindness either. Not being able to tell colors would probably be a bit bad for my occupation.

Guess my vision may just be good enough to SEE the difference. You know to a blind man the night and day look the same as well.
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#68
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pyrolater</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm kinda slow sometimes so I just noticed the Nightforce doesn't have the typical illumination dial on ocular part of the scope.

The Razor has it were I'm used to seeing and using it. Is the Nightforce illumination setup any better or easier to use than the Razor? </div></div>

the NF illumination is on the parallax adjuster, just have to pull it (out). I still have not figured out how to adjust the brightness level though, and I am too lazy to look it up hahahaha
 
#69
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCarrtmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pupdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I can tell you that glass quality is not the #1 reason to pick a scope IMO. #1 reason is the "system" itself. The combination of glass CLARITY/contrast with its tracking ability, durability, repeatability, the reticle, the turret "clicks" and how they feel, eye relief and or eye box, and even objective diameter.

When you have time, place a paper target (the ones the eye doctor uses with the letters) at 100 yards.. put your scopes on 10x and see which scope is easier to make out the letters or makes the letters appear sharper. I'd bet you'll see a slight difference... make another thread or use the search if you want to discuss as you're allowing me to hijack the OP thread.

As to not deviate from the OP question, I too think you won't be disappointed with either. I have only shot with the NF FFP and not the Razor HD but I can say that if I had both I wouldn't prefer one over the other, so to speak. Now the extra 5x may come in handy, but for the most part 15x is enough. </div></div>

Do you sell used cars for a living? </div></div>

No, should I?

Don't get me wrong... I have a SS 16x that I use for a backup/paper shooting scope. To me it's "clear" enough and does what I need it to do. But that scope is just that... a back up. It allows me to shoot while saving for my primary scope of choice whether a NF, IOR, VORTEX, S&B, or HENSOLDT. Once I have enough money I get the scope that I want to set up that specific rifle with the SS comes off and goes into the drawer.

I can tell a slight difference in optical clarity/color/contrast between a SS and a Schmidt. But I'd be a fool to kid myself into even trying to compare those two simply because of the cost, one is $300 the other is $3000. I dare not compare the performance of a Chevy camaro ss to a Chevy corvette Z06 and if I were to drive both normally I wouldn't be able to tell a difference, until I open it up.
 
#70
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pupdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCarrtmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pupdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I can tell you that glass quality is not the #1 reason to pick a scope IMO. #1 reason is the "system" itself. The combination of glass CLARITY/contrast with its tracking ability, durability, repeatability, the reticle, the turret "clicks" and how they feel, eye relief and or eye box, and even objective diameter.

When you have time, place a paper target (the ones the eye doctor uses with the letters) at 100 yards.. put your scopes on 10x and see which scope is easier to make out the letters or makes the letters appear sharper. I'd bet you'll see a slight difference... make another thread or use the search if you want to discuss as you're allowing me to hijack the OP thread.

As to not deviate from the OP question, I too think you won't be disappointed with either. I have only shot with the NF FFP and not the Razor HD but I can say that if I had both I wouldn't prefer one over the other, so to speak. Now the extra 5x may come in handy, but for the most part 15x is enough. </div></div>

Do you sell used cars for a living? </div></div>

No, should I?

Don't get me wrong... I have a SS 16x that I use for a backup/paper shooting scope. To me it's "clear" enough and does what I need it to do. But that scope is just that... a back up. It allows me to shoot while saving for my primary scope of choice whether a NF, IOR, VORTEX, S&B, or HENSOLDT. Once I have enough money I get the scope that I want to set up that specific rifle with the SS comes off and goes into the drawer.

I can tell a slight difference in optical clarity/color/contrast between a SS and a Schmidt. But I'd be a fool to kid myself into even trying to compare those two simply because of the cost, one is $300 the other is $3000. I dare not compare the performance of a Chevy camaro ss to a Chevy corvette Z06 and if I were to drive both normally I wouldn't be able to tell a difference, until I open it up. </div></div>

yes you should be a salesman. you will be good at it too, you say all the right words to fool the masses.

so you do admit you can tell a "slight" difference in clarity and color between a $300 and a $3000 scope? Just slight right? hahaha
 
#71
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I'm not trying to fool anyone.

Yes I can see a slight difference in glass between a $300 scope and a $3000 scope. In my opinion I said the difference is "slight" but there IS a difference. Better resolution, better color, better contrast if you do want to JUST compare the glass as in your case.

As I said before the glass alone is NOT the only reason I buy a scope. I consider many other things as well.

You on the other hand obviously buy a scope as long as it "looks" clear when you peer through it and cannot distinguish a "slight" difference from any difference at all so why even come here and say that "I have good eyes and I can't see a difference"? OF COURSE you can't because you don't know what you're looking for all you're doing is "looking".

You may as well go to those "glory hole" joints because you want a blowjob for cheap and hell, to you, you wouldn't be able to tell a difference from a mans mouth or a womans. I'd rather pay a little more for a GUARANTEE that it's a womans mouth, but I guess thats where we're different.

So take your scopes, print out one of those papers you read when you take an eye test and put them out at 100 yards. You tell me if you can see a difference when reading those letters. I did that with an IOR and a regular SS and I could see a difference, again it was slight but there was a difference.
 
#72
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pupdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So take your scopes, print out one of those papers you read when you take an eye test and put them out at 100 yards. I did that with an IOR and a regular SS and I could see a difference, again it was slight but there was a difference. </div></div>


Try it again just before sunrise or just after sunset.

Do it again looking only through the edge, top of bottom of the scope.

It's not *that* hard to make a scope fairly sharp and bright dead center in a brightly lit environment, but in low light, or at the edges of the lens system is where optical performance really starts to spread out.

Then take into account depth of field, field of view, eye relief, tunneling... these are all optical performance characteristics and it takes more than a quick peek in the store to discern.

If you spend some time behind those two optics, the differences will become apparent. Now, whether you can live with those differences... that is a different question.

Not everybody needs the best glass.

John
 
#73
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pyrolater</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If I already had a night force I would most likely get another just to keep some consistency in my gear.

I'm kinda leaning towards the Razor and then I start thinking I should get a Nightforce. I need to go out in the garage and fondle my rifle and see what it wants.
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Well, I still say newer IOR 3-18, but after reading the east vs west thread the razor sounds REALLY hard to beat (especially with that much internal adjustment).
 
#74
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I have noticed not many people care about the glass. Odd to me but hey, it's just me. Thats why i referenced the OPTICAL QUALITY of the millett, not the construction of it. I think if you are not expecting AWESOME clarity, vivid colors and whatnot, you would be fine with a NXS.
 
#75
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I have both scopes and in my opinion, the Razor is a better value and has better features. Glass, waranty, options, and reticule are all better in the Razor. For the money is a very good scope.
 
#76
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beretta_man11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have noticed not many people care about the glass. Odd to me but hey, it's just me. </div></div>

It's not that we don't care about the glass it's just when you get into that range of optics you expect excellent glass. Also as I mentioned tracking is more important than a slight difference in glass. As long as you can see the target you are good but if you dial and the knobs are off then you are going to miss.
 
#78
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Retoocs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just went through the same dilemma between the F1 and Razor. After reading through endless pages of reviews on this forum of the two scopes, Scott @ Liberty Optics got my business today. It really didn't come down to the price since I was able to score a deal on a new F1 for $100 more than the Razor + rings. </div></div>Scott sells Nightforce?
 
#79
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">However, to me it seems the #1 reason to pick a scope is for glass quality. Or am I wrong on this? </div></div>Wrong. You don't need to count the hairs on an insurgent's head to know where the kill zone is. If you CAN count the hairs, but the scope doesn't track or malfunctions, counting the hairs won't help you.
 
#80
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The F1 Is a better choice if its a fighting optic becuase it can get to 1K on a single turn like all other top sniper optics. Needing to get to the 3rd turn on a lot of 308s to get to 1K is...............
 
#81
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If most other higher end scopes are going to 10 mil turrets
I'd be willing to bet that Vortex will go to a 10 mil turret in the future and they will make it so you can get your 5 mil turret retrofitted to make it a 10 mil turret.

am I being to optimistic??
 
#83
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sniper2ndrep</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The F1 Is a better choice if its a fighting optic becuase it can get to 1K on a single turn like all other top sniper optics. Needing to get to the 3rd turn on a lot of 308s to get to 1K is............... </div></div>

11.5 mils to 1K for my rifle. That's two turns then 1.5 mils with the Razor HD. How long do you thin that takes me?

We aren't talking about dainty target scopes that have to be treated with kid gloves. You can crank those turrets pretty quick. They make a cool sound when you do.

Hard to get lost in the turrets when you can just back it down to the stop. Now I would not want to crank that many times with out a stop.
 
#84
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't sweat it. With a zero stop it's a non issue. </div></div>

Is it the end of the world? no..you can say with training you can get around it like anything else. But for the price they should have came out with an indicator of some sort like S&B. All im saying is imho the F1 is a superior scope because its a single turn and has a more forgiving eyebox. but ill still take my S&B over the F1..but thats not what this thread is about.
 
#85
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The NF just came out with the 10 mil knob recently. For the last 2 years or so it has been a 5 mil just like the Vortex. Also the NF doesn't have any indicator marks on the elevation body to even let you know how many revs you are up. The Vortex does. Not a big deal now that NF offers a 10 mil per turn knob but even before I never had any trouble running my 5 mil per turn NF. Same with the Vortex. That's why it's a non issue. You get lost then crank to the zero stop and dial back up. Only a few seconds. The OP isn't stalking the streets of some Afgan village. Pretty sure he'd be fine with either knobs.

I'd take my S&Bs over either as well but like you said that isn't what this thread is about.
 
#86
Re: Razor HD or Night force NXS with FFP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You get lost then crank to the zero stop and dial back up. Only a few seconds. The OP isn't stalking the streets of some Afgan village. Pretty sure he'd be fine with either knobs.</div></div>
Even assuming he would be "stalking the streets" - how much of impediment would this issue be?
 
#87
Re: Razor HD or Night force NXS with FFP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beretta_man11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You ever looked thru a NXS? i have one and am not as impressed as i thought i would be with the optical clarity. I know that will ruffle some feathers with people on here but oh well... I do not have a higher quality scope to compare it to but i do have cheaper scopes to compare it to (elite 6500, millett trs-1) and other than the obvious construction of the scope, the optical clarity is not worth $1300 more than my millett... my $0.02. </div></div>

Millett TRS-1 Vs an NXS? Really?

I have looked through both at distance through heavy mirage. Sorry, I know where my extra cash went in my NXS.

Lets forget the glass quality for a second, look at the track record of the NXS compared to the millet, or lack of track record of the millet.


To the OP,

I've owned 4 NXS 3-15s NPR1s and never had one hiccup on any of the 4. We see more NXS scopes out here than any other optic. 0 issues. Well, 3 in the last 6 years I've been running matches at Sac Valley.

With that being said, I have also been testing the Vortex Razor EBR3 and have to say I am pretty impressed after shooting it for the last few months. It kind of won me over because I didn't think it was on par with the optics I had in the safe.

3-20X
Zero Stop
FFP
Numbered Mil mil reticle.
Rings

1750 street price is hard to beat. + their customer service is great as well.

Honestly, you cant go wrong with either optic. It just comes down to personal preference.

HTH,

Vu </div></div>

$Dude....where can you get a Razor for $1750.....the ones I have seen are right at $2000....and they are 5-20 not 3-20
 
#88
Re: Razor HD or Night force NXS with FFP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mouse07410</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You get lost then crank to the zero stop and dial back up. Only a few seconds. The OP isn't stalking the streets of some Afgan village. Pretty sure he'd be fine with either knobs.</div></div>
Even assuming he would be "stalking the streets" - how much of impediment would this issue be?</div></div>

None really.
 
#90
Re: Razor HD or Night force NXS with FFP

Reticle thickness is good. I had no problems shooting at a 5" dot at 1000 yards with it. The only thing I would chage is to have the full mil marks longer and the half mil marks longer to make them easier to see and distinguish from each other.
 
#91
Re: Razor HD or Night force NXS with FFP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Thin Ice</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beretta_man11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You ever looked thru a NXS? i have one and am not as impressed as i thought i would be with the optical clarity. I know that will ruffle some feathers with people on here but oh well... I do not have a higher quality scope to compare it to but i do have cheaper scopes to compare it to (elite 6500, millett trs-1) and other than the obvious construction of the scope, the optical clarity is not worth $1300 more than my millett... my $0.02. </div></div>

Millett TRS-1 Vs an NXS? Really?

I have looked through both at distance through heavy mirage. Sorry, I know where my extra cash went in my NXS.

Lets forget the glass quality for a second, look at the track record of the NXS compared to the millet, or lack of track record of the millet.


To the OP,

I've owned 4 NXS 3-15s NPR1s and never had one hiccup on any of the 4. We see more NXS scopes out here than any other optic. 0 issues. Well, 3 in the last 6 years I've been running matches at Sac Valley.

With that being said, I have also been testing the Vortex Razor EBR3 and have to say I am pretty impressed after shooting it for the last few months. It kind of won me over because I didn't think it was on par with the optics I had in the safe.

3-20X
Zero Stop
FFP
Numbered Mil mil reticle.
Rings

1750 street price is hard to beat. + their customer service is great as well.

Honestly, you cant go wrong with either optic. It just comes down to personal preference.

HTH,

Vu </div></div>

$Dude....where can you get a Razor for $1750.....the ones I have seen are right at $2000....and they are 5-20 not 3-20 </div></div>

There is one in the for sale forum for 1800.00

My bad, 5-20X. Happy now? Good.
grin.gif


 
#92
Re: Razor HD or Night force NXS with FFP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCarrtmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All you people are gear queers. Either that or you just have horrible eye sight. What cracks me up the most is when a guy that wear glasses as thick as coke bottles tries to educate me on what is a good optic hahahaha.

I have a $300 Super Sniper, $1000 Mark 4, and a $1700 NF NXS and I can barely tell the difference between them when in 10x mode.

So my choice would be neither Razor or NXS. Pick up a SS or Bushnell, best glass for the money. About 95% of the NXS at 1/10th the price. </div></div>

Perfect poster child for why not to smoke crack. I'll take my NXS and beat your SS and bushnell to the ground with it, and it will still hold zero.

And if you can't tell the difference in glass quality of an NXS vs. a F'n super sniper at distance in heavy mirage, you are probably a 100yard bench wonder or on crack. Lets not go full retard.
 
#93
Re: Razor HD or Night force NXS with FFP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: EricCarrtmann</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All you people are gear queers. Either that or you just have horrible eye sight. What cracks me up the most is when a guy that wear glasses as thick as coke bottles tries to educate me on what is a good optic hahahaha.

I have a $300 Super Sniper, $1000 Mark 4, and a $1700 NF NXS and I can barely tell the difference between them when in 10x mode.

So my choice would be neither Razor or NXS. Pick up a SS or Bushnell, best glass for the money. About 95% of the NXS at 1/10th the price. </div></div>

Perfect poster child for why not to smoke crack. I'll take my NXS and beat your SS and bushnell to the ground with it, and it will still hold zero.

And if you can't tell the difference in glass quality of an NXS vs. a F'n super sniper at distance in heavy mirage, you are probably a 100yard bench wonder or on crack. Lets not go full retard. </div></div>

I suspect Mr. Cartmann is on a little timeout... he hasn't posted in days, so apparently someone with clout got tired of his trolling.

As far as best price on a Razor, call Scott at Liberty Optics. You will not be disappointed.

John
 
#94
Re: Razor HD or Night force NXS with FFP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Lets not go full retard. </div></div>

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
#95
Re: Razor HD or Night force NXS with FFP

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Thin Ice</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Vu</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beretta_man11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You ever looked thru a NXS? i have one and am not as impressed as i thought i would be with the optical clarity. I know that will ruffle some feathers with people on here but oh well... I do not have a higher quality scope to compare it to but i do have cheaper scopes to compare it to (elite 6500, millett trs-1) and other than the obvious construction of the scope, the optical clarity is not worth $1300 more than my millett... my $0.02. </div></div>

Millett TRS-1 Vs an NXS? Really?

I have looked through both at distance through heavy mirage. Sorry, I know where my extra cash went in my NXS.

Lets forget the glass quality for a second, look at the track record of the NXS compared to the millet, or lack of track record of the millet.


To the OP,

I've owned 4 NXS 3-15s NPR1s and never had one hiccup on any of the 4. We see more NXS scopes out here than any other optic. 0 issues. Well, 3 in the last 6 years I've been running matches at Sac Valley.

With that being said, I have also been testing the Vortex Razor EBR3 and have to say I am pretty impressed after shooting it for the last few months. It kind of won me over because I didn't think it was on par with the optics I had in the safe.

3-20X
Zero Stop
FFP
Numbered Mil mil reticle.
Rings

1750 street price is hard to beat. + their customer service is great as well.

Honestly, you cant go wrong with either optic. It just comes down to personal preference.

HTH,

Vu </div></div>

$Dude....where can you get a Razor for $1750.....the ones I have seen are right at $2000....and they are 5-20 not 3-20 </div></div>

There is one in the for sale forum for 1800.00

My bad, 5-20X. Happy now? Good.
grin.gif


</div></div>


Well....1800 ain't bad either. :)) I'm just messing with ya anyway. I like both those scope too. I'm a sucker for nice scopes.
 
#98
Re: Razor HD or Night force NXS with FFP

I beg to differ Adam B. Find a distributor and you can beat $1900 by a good chunk for a new Rzr HD.

Or slightly used.

Vu - i was on crack when I sold my new NXS for $1280, just ask SF340 when you see him. I think that qualifies as "full retard".
 
#99
Re: Razor HD or Night force NXS with FFP

Friend of mine just called me up, says he got an HD razor for 1700 cash with rings, we are going to the range tomorrow morning to compare it to my ior.

With the economy as shitty as it is right now if you can't find a "bargain" you simply aren't looking hard enough.
 
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