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Gunsmithing re-contouring barrel

remsps243

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thinking about re-contouring a 40x rimfire heavy barrel.

anyone do this before, what were your results?

I was thinking about cutting it to about 24-25" and having a muzzle diameter .700 -.750

thoughts?
Im in san antonio tx so if anyone has done this before in the area, shoot me a pm, I'd like to try to do it myself or watch somebody
 
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I'm no expert, but I was told that turning a barrel down after it has been drilled and rifled is a bad idea. I believe it's because you can relieve stress in the barrel which will cause the bore to bend a bit and accuracy can suffer badly. But that's just what I was told some years ago.
 
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Ive heard that too. but Ive also heard that it didnt change accuracy. Kinda heard both sides of this so just want some input and advice. I expect to get one hole groups at 100yds but 1-2in would be acceptable.
 
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It really all depends on the type of rifling and how much you intend on turning off. If you can tell me the current contour I can give you a good idea of what will happen to the barrel.
 
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Barrels are almost always rifled, then contoured. Smiths many times buy blanks and turn them to whatever contour the customer wants.

Buttons displace metal and can not be pulled through a precontoured barrel. Groove depth would differ all the way down the bore. As far as I know, the only barrels that even can be rifled after contouring is cut rifled barrels. And this isnt done/seen often.


Would it be better to ream/rifle a barrel after contouring? Yea, probably. But you very rarely see it done.
 
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I had a Winchester Model 52, that when I got it was drilled/tapped for scope mounts. The front sight was gone and I cut the barrel off about 3 inches to get rid of the dovetail and recrowned it. It shot the same after it was cut and recrowned. I don't know what the chamber pressure of a 22LR is, but just that its a 22 I don't think the pressure from the round going off will cause any changes to the barrel. Are you trying to do this yourself?
 
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So, once you cut it off, your probably looking at it being closer to .930 or so at the shorter length, so youd be taking off about .180, not to terribly much but you will run the risk of warping the barrel. It can be done but it wouldn't be worth the risk unless you have the extra money for another barrel, atleast for me.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Barrels are almost always rifled, then contoured. Smiths many times buy blanks and turn them to whatever contour the customer wants.

Buttons displace metal and can not be pulled through a precontoured barrel. Groove depth would differ all the way down the bore. <span style="font-weight: bold">As far as I know, the only barrels that even can be rifled after contouring is cut rifled barrels. And this isn't done/seen often.</span>

Would it be better to ream/rifle a barrel after contouring? Yea, probably. But you very rarely see it done.
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That's the way Danny does it.
Cutting the rifling is last.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AZPrecision</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Danny does a lot of things differently.
He also doesn't have the volume other cut riflers do.
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Again , Danny who??

from what i understand most barrel makers rifle the barrel before conturing then shape it and the final stage is lapping
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mikki</div><div class="ubbcode-body">+1 on Danny.
Oh I think its Dan Lilja he means. </div></div>

No, Dan Pedersen at Classic Barrel & Gunworks here in Prescott.

I'm certain that anyone making cut rifle barrels does the rifling last though.
Why do it any other way?
 
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From what I've read and what I've seen in the rimfire stuff...go ahead and turn it if you wish, but leave the last inch and a half or so the original diameter. If the reduced diameter of the barrel expands a bit, the muzzle will choke down the bullet to the original bore size. No guarantees...but this is supposed to help a bit. If you are going to cut the length...slug the barrel...you will find tight and loose places. Cut just at the far end of the tightest place nearest to the length you want. You want a choke...not a blunderbuss muzzle. Then back off a couple of inches and turn it down to your weight. JMHO
 
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BBeyer...lots of differences between jacketed and lead. Squeeze jacketed and it will spring back a bit. Squeeze lead bullets, and they are at that diameter all along the bore...bouncing and leading due to gas blow by and deformation.The rimfire soft lead bullets are another study v/s jacketed. JMHO
 
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FNP I dont get the jist of your post directed at me, maybe I am missing something but I dont see what your getting at in regards to turning a barrel down, with the jacketed and lead bullet comparason. When were you in the navy, I was on a destroyer from 1957 to 1960, old fart huh.
 
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Yah...old fart. (We are about the same age. I went in in '62 at age 22. My first ship was the Everglades AD24...Destroyer Tender out of Charleston.) I'll try to say what I intended to do in shorter form. (As I understand it.) This doesn't apply to cut rifled barrels such as Mr. Hart made. Only to buttoned or hammer formed (cold swaged)barrels. I believe the Remington 40X's were/are buttoned.) In those barrels, when you turn them to a smaller diameter, the bore will sometimes tend to enlarge due to stress relief. If you turn a buttoned barrel on a taper from the chamber to the muzzle, there is a tendency (NOTE-not an absolute number) for the bore to enlarge. Which can make it larger at the muzzle than at any part back toward the chamber. With soft lead bullets, there is little to no elastic memory... when you swage a soft lead rimfire bullet down to a smaller diameter by passing through a tight bore spot, the bullet does NOT re-expand to fit the bore. So...if you have a tight chamber fit and the bore enlarges as you get toward the muzzle and is therefore larger at the crown, accuracy degrades due to a smaller bullet in a larger bore. Jacketed bullets due to the gilding metal jacket, do tend to rebound a bit in diameter, so that they are not as sensitive to enlarging bores. (I.E. "blunderbuss" shaped bores.) By not turning the last 1 to 1.5 inches of the barrel, thereby keeping the muzzle inch or inch and half of length the original diameter, the muzzle bore diameter doesn't expand, and the bullet, if it passes though a loose spot back up the bore that was caused by turning the barrel down, will fit the bore more closely as it exits the muzzle, retaining the accuracy of the original barrel. Now you know all I do. For more information go to Rimfire Central. Great site and much more knowledge than I. Anchors asway. FNP
 
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I used to love going up against a tender, we could raid the ships store and get as meny 90 cent cartons of cigeretts as we wanted. The only trouble with that was clearing all the coffee grounds from under the tender as we could get alongside, but I imagine you have headr that before. Thanks for the explanation, I was a bit confused. Take care