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Reading the wind for beginners

Re: Reading the wind for beginners

Frank has offered alot of good information. I teach my students that the only wind speed to be determined is at the shooters location(science). All things being equal, flat terrain and no trees, the wind at the target will more or less be the same. Of course it isn't, ever, but in theory the wind 1000 yards from where you are will be the same as the shooter's position on perfectly flat ground with no terrain. The shooter's job is to look at the surrounding terrain, mostly upwind, and determine how it will affect the wind's velocity at various points along the bullet's flight path. What I do is then create an "average" wind based on the wind speed I know at my location, and how I feel the upwind terrain is affecting the wind downrange. (As Frank says, art dept.) Is the average wind over the 1000 yards more or less than at my location? That is all I worry about.

In truth, wind shooting strategy is far more important. If the wind is left to right to whatever degree and I am not certain the wind will move the bullet off the right edge of the target with a left edge hold, then I will always start with an upwind left edge hold. This assumes a wind at my location that if it were constant to the target would result in a theoretical hit with a left edge hold. If I have completely blown the wind call, and I have many times, the worst case scenario is a left edge hit. Obviously this works both directions but at 1000 yards you have to allow for spin drift as a right edge hold with zero wind affect could lead to a miss with a right twist barrel.

It is not uncommon to see left to right mirage running horizontally and still need almost no left hold. Mirage in my experience can be unreliable as a wind indicator because it is difficult to tell where the mirage is in relationship to the target many times. On many ranges the berm itself creates a horizontal wind that doesn't exist even 20 feet in front of the berm. A canted tailwind will hit the berm and turn creating a mirage that is completely horizontal while the wind has almost no affect on the bullet's flight path. I have seen this on many ranges. For these reasons in winds less than 10 mph I feel that a good strategy is more more important than determining an exact average wind speed. In winds of more than 10 mph I will move upwind of the target but typically only half of what I calculate the actual correction to be. I find that almost always, the wind correction is less than I and others believe it to be.

All of this is affected by TOF as Frank mentioned. Most new shooters don't fully understand the importance of ballistic efficiency in long range shooting. Long range shooting is a game of tenths of inches and creating a caliber/load/bullet combination that removes .1 mil of wind correction at 1000 yds can increase the probability of your round hitting the target dramatically.

I don't post alot on SH because I shoot full-time and am lucky to be able to shoot long range many days a month. My advice is to spend more time on the range and less time on the computer. Keep your approach to reading the wind simple and use strategies and ballistics that give you the highest probability of hitting the target even when your estimation of the wind is incorrect. Good luck and good shooting.
 
Re: Reading the wind for beginners

How do you create as you said an "average" of the wind speed for all winds to target? Will you please post the word sentence for the math? I assume you you show students in your wind class how to do it.

I've got a wind strategy, set no wind zero for a pinwheel X, shoot a high B.C. bullet, and counter for wind correctly. Use mirage, not for determining wind velocity, but for recognizing change in velocity and/or direction, and hold hard for elevation. For a novice shooter, calling the shot will help the shooter recognize wind error from positional errors. I do not base a strategy on any prediction of the manner the wind might change.
 
Re: Reading the wind for beginners

An analogy that I guy told me years ago. A bullet is a car with the steering locked up. We want this car to end up 600 yards down the road in a straight line. Car just gets started and hits a big pothole (wind) in the first 50 yards and is knocked off course. As opposed to hitting the same pothole say at 460 yards and being knocked off course. Which car will end up being off course further at it's intended destination. Helped me to grasp using the wind at the shooter and it's effects.
 
Re: Reading the wind for beginners

We had a link to a wind and terrain document posted here a while back. I don't remember whether it was for flying or firefighting but it was excellent.

Wind reading is best taught on a formal, flat range where wind speed and direction can be judged off flags or tapes. This gives a novice shooter something he can objectively see and absorb while developing skills, especially at the farther ranges.

Field shooting and shooting around structures and terrain start adding twists to his education. The military usually uses a teaching methodology called crawl-walk-run, while some would rather give a guy a sink-or-swim or drink from the fire hose methodology. Students often learn differently, and experience will come with shooting rounds over different ranges and terrain.

Basic, protected from wind:

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Basic, wide open (Stone Bay Marine ranges):

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Challenging (Camp Smith, New York -- a road and lake run through it):

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Other things to consider on basic flat ranges:

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Once you have the range (with a good laser) and you do all your fingers and toes guzzintas, (velocity, angle, density altitude, drift, coriolus, all the hard science stuff). then comes the art.

Find it, do the math, shoot it. Wind will typically be the hardest for someone to judge (for a no-kidding first-round hit), given gadgets to help with the rest.

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1711 yards, novice shooter with talent:

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Laying out ranges like this I usually try to put a wind flag out every 500 or 600 yards/Meters, depending on the data we're trying to build. we've had days where all three or four flags are blowing in different directions as we're breaking the shot.

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You can develop a fairly good idea of what the wind is doing on a formal 1200-Meter range like this one in Australia:

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Re: Reading the wind for beginners

I am working on some text on wind reading and I have been getting help from Gus @ Patagonia Ballistics who has provided me with some graphs and charts on the subject for my work.

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Here is one that is interesting, the red line shows a single wind call in a linear fashion when you look at the wind like the older, more traditional formulas. The assumption is the wind speed is constant. i.e. WIND = 10MPH In many ways like Sterling is looking at the wind, it doesn't count until mid range.

The Yellow line is when you enable multiple winds across the same range, but segmenting that range and adding the value for each. If you consider most people will "Under Estimate" the wind call this is good explanation why. Especially with a new shooter, they very rarely over-correct for the wind, even most experienced shooters, miss on the up wind side of the target.

Modeling the shot with a single wind value shows much less drift compared to modeling the shot with the same wind value only segmenting it and looking at it as a multiple wind, across the entire course.

Enlightening to say the least.
 
Re: Reading the wind for beginners

Very nice Frank

Understand that graph is depicting bullet movement from point to point on its flight path not an overall wind deflection call for bullet impact. It grows due to the bullet bleeding velocity losing its BC in turn more susceptible to wind.

The down side of zone calls is time between making the calculations and sending a round, conditions may change or Hajji may jump on his scooter and roll away by the time you get it set up. Sitting on a computer and noodling the math or reverse calculating after the fact is one thing, real time your window may be short for a shot.