Real world, unbiased, unsponsored Sig 2400 feedback wanted.

[McNamara0851]

So, I figured this forum needed one more thread about a sig kilo. I'm aware that this topic has been covered, but I am ready to pull the trigger on a 2400 and I am looking for more info regarding my particular situation. Every review I have watched on YouTube looks to be sponsored, if not sponsored I could not readily find any negative feedback.
I currently shoot 6xc, 284, and 22-250AI and I am a half ass coyote hunter, backyard steel shooter, and make a few matches every year. I am shooting beyond the capabilities of my ziess prf. I have also put off buying a kestrel that has AB and atmospherics since the news of the 2400 came out, so I have a regular old kestrel wind meter. I am curious about the actual user friendliness and capabilities of this package in the field, not the unboxing and fondling of a package that sig sent to a guy with a podcast to review. (no offense). Last year I was able to hit a coyote at 790, but missed multiple coyotes between 6-1300 yards. I spent a lot of time dicking with a rangefinder that wouldn't pick up a range, then swaging my Windage and elevation. I also have great difficulty ranging my 10" plates beyond 300 yards on the 850 yard range in my back yard, which is extremely frustrating considering what I paid for the Zeiss. Anyone one out there been in a similar predicament? Am I better off with a 2200 and a 5700? Would a vectronix unit better suit me? I just find it hard to believe that everyone who has ever touched the 2400 loves it to death, but if that's the case, sign me up.


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[PDXGS]

Mount any rangefinder on a tripod and it'll improve the results.
I used my 2400 in the Steel Safari Team Challenge this past weekend and had trouble stabilizing it in high winds (20-30 mph). So I mounted it to my tripod -problem solved.
The wind meter is silly and clunky for use in competition.... In my opinion. Learn how to call and sight wind through a spotter.
I've owned Zeiss, Bushnell and Sig rangefinder and used a Terrapin on occasion. The simplicity, size, speed and accuracy make the 2400 an easy choice.
And, I'm not sponsored.

 

[dirthead1]

I've been using a Bushnell Elite 1 Mile RF with a Kestrel 5700 Elite for a couple of years. The combination worked very well, but as our long range shooting grew in distance, I started having a hard time picking up targets with the Bushnell. At one point last year, I traded into a Vectronix Terrapin, and it was awesome at ranging. It was very consistent with anything out to about 2500 yards or so. The problem I had with the Terrapin was that it is very slow. I mean, it provided a distance very quickly, but you could not take another reading immediately. It would take a few seconds for it to cycle to the point where you can range again. Not a huge issue if you have a tripod or something to get the unit very steady before pressing the button, but if you are hand held, and miss slightly, you have to wait a bit before you can range again. Anyway, even though it's ranging ability was way beyond anything I'll ever shoot, I sold it.

Fast forward to a couple months ago. I decided that I wanted a range finder with more distance capability, that also had ballistics built in. That brought me to two units. The Sig 2400 and the new Gunwerks BR2500. The Gunwerks model was just released, and I could not find any real reviews of it. I did read somewhere that it was supposed to range as far as a Terrapin, which caught my eye, but without any real work testing or reviews I decided to pass on that unit.

I decided to buy the 2400, and have had it in the field twice so far. First, it's very easy to setup. I was used to using an app to setup gun profiles for my Kestrel, and doing the same for the 2400 is very easy and straight forward. The first time out with it was scouting for an elk hunt later this year. I ranged cow elk at 1306 easily. There was a large bull standing a distance behind them. I estimated him to be a few hundred yards away from the cows, all by himself in a wide open area. The 2400 would not return a range on him. I'm going to guess he was between 1600 and 2000 yards. My attempts to range him were handheld, as I didn't have my tripod with me at the time. But regardless, 1306 easily on cows, but would not range a bull at around a mile.

Next trip out was a long range shoot in northern AZ. We started with a 24" plate at 1430 yards. It would range the plate easily from a tripod. I had a profile setup for my 300 win mag, 215 hybrids, using Litz Custom Curves. Plugged in my muzzle velocity. Hit 4 of 10. Elevation correction seemed to be good straight out of the 2400 with no calibration. Next, we moved the plate back to 1620 yds. I could get returns on the plate or bushes around the plate, not sure which fairly consistently. The plate was set in a pocket of cedar trees. Hit 1 of 10 from the position. The misses were left/right, not elevation, so I feel the 2400 again gave a good elevation adjustment. Third shooting position was at 775 yards, shooting from a tripod. Range, adjust elevation turret, bang, hit. After shooting 1620, 775 seemed like a chip shot. Anyway, I feel really good about the ballistic solutions the 2400 was giving me at 3 different ranges. I even checked it's output vs the Kestrel, and they matched, so it seems the environmental sensors in the 2400 are accurate. DA that day was 8600' if I remember correctly.

If you want something that will range a ground squirrel at 2000 yds, I don't think the Sig 2400 will do that. I think the Terrapin probably would. But it does range very consistently out to about a mile or slightly less, on reasonably sized targets, and I was very surprised how good the ballistic solutions were, without doing any sort of truing to bring the actual drops in line. I wanted everything in one small unit, as that will work better for me hunting.

If I was only shooting ELR, and not hunting, I would probably invest in another Vectronix unit and use the Kestrel for ballistics. Like PDXGS said, the wind meter that comes with the 2400 is clunky and I'll never use it. The other accessories are nice. Overall, I'm very happy with the 2400. It ranges far enough and the ballistics seem very accurate so far. It's easy to create profiles and upload from the app. It's easy to change profiles in the 2400 and work through all the setup options. I love how fast it is, and it's very small and easily portable.

 

[j741]

Thanks for starting this thread. I've been trying to decide if I want to pony up the $$$ to get this vs a 2200. Good to hear the direct feedback instead of possibly compensated reviewers.

 

[308Gunner]

I have used mine quite a bit and if I miss it is not because the elevation was wrong, I was able to range deer in a plowed field at 1400 off of a tripod at 1:00pm with a clear sky. It is the best money I have spent

 

[79steeler]

I was with Dirthead1 that day and his 2400 was awesome. I'm buying one and selling my sig 2000. His dope was better than mine in both my Kestrel and my Trasol app at both 1430 yards and 1640. I'm sold.

 

[6point5CM]

I recently got one. Prior too the 2400, I was running AB on my phone and a Leica 1600 for the range. I'll echo above statements, I don't really want/use their wind meter. I leave a 5mph or 10mph wind plugged in, and it takes about 3 seconds to change the direction on the rangefinder. I just half, or add to the value if it's more/less. The only caution I have is the bullet library had the wrong BC for my bullet. But overall, the rangefinder works very well. Fast, accurate, short range angle compensating for a bow. Compared to the Leica, it is not as clear to look through, but it does not limit anything, just doesn't have as good of glass as the Leica. I have been very pleased. Dope it's giving me is within a tenth of a MOA of my previous method. My goal with the 2400 was to not have to pull out a phone with gloves when hunting to gather dope for a shot. By leaving a 5 or 10 wind value in there, and synching everything up before a hunt, I don't need my phone whatsoever to gather dope now, and it's extremely fast. It's performing exactly as expected. If at a match or shooting rocks, I would use my Kestrel and still confirm wind, and enter into my phone (thus entering it into the 2400) vs using their wind piece. Overall I give it 4.5 out of 5 stars so far. If it had glass as good as my Leica, it would get 5.

 

[mpk1996]

I shot lone survivor last weekend and spent some time talking with the guys from sig about the 2200 and 2400abs, and got to play with them as well. as far as the LRF part goes the 2200 and 2400 have the same laser. the 2400 has a glass lens and the 2200 has a polycarbonate lens. they will both perform the same as far as getting distance goes. the 2400 also adds a full weather station/sensors to the package along with the AB software. so, it will get you temp, direction (compass), baro pressure, ect to give you a shooting solution. it by itself does not have a windmeter, but comes with a wind meter than can plug into your phones 2.5mm headphone jack. you will have to decide if you want to spend the extra $900-1000 for that stuff. I think it would be pretty slick for hunting and not having to plug that info into the kestrel. but if you run good drop tables, maybe you don't need it

as far as the performance I saw using the 2400, I was impressed. I was able to range very effectively the KYL plate rack and other plates at 1100 yds just bracing the LRF on a wooden pole. so not on a tripod mount or anything. in scan mode, you could see the range go between the berm and the plate as I slowly scanned across the berm through the plate rack. I was pretty impressed with that, and the return was very very fast. I was able to hit the far tree line and other objects in the field out to 2000 yds plus (don't remember the exact yardage offhand), but the returns were quick and repeatable. needless to say, I was real impressed with the 2400.

like you, I need to decide if I want just the 2200 or if I think I will use the 2400 enough to make it worth the extra cost. I have the bushnell elite 1 mile combo setup, and it works well, but I have a hard time getting hits past 1000 on pretty good size steel at my range and have had similar results at other matches ive been to. it was not as good as the swaro bino LRF or the sig kilo 2200/2400 setup.

 

[IanHusaberg]

I love mine, $ well spent. Ranges lightning fast, AB works(got me a 1200y first round hit). Get in touch with KDudley her on the site, he can hook you up for a reasonable price.

 

[j741]

Before reading this thread I had bought a 2400 and it's still sitting in the box. I was a bit intimidated by it's tech and didn't want to open it. From reading here, I think I'm going to just stick with a 2200 for a while before my skills can justify the investment of a 2400. The 2200 is on sale at Cabela's and mine should be here this next week

Looks like I'll be selling or returning my 2400 since I never opened it.

 

[jeffl838]

I was just considering a terrapin vs a 2400 and this thread has me sold on the 2400. Where's the best place to get one? Anyone know if sig does military pricing?

 

[hk dave]

I love my 2400!

 

[mpk1996]

I was just considering a terrapin vs a 2400 and this thread has me sold on the 2400. Where's the best place to get one? Anyone know if sig does military pricing?

apparently j741 (the post above yours) has one for sale. LOL

 

[McNamara0851]

Ordered mine this week. Will report back. Thanks for the input.


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[McNamara0851]

I played with my new 2400 today. I was able to get a first round hit at 798y in a 7 mph crosswind. Verified my velocity this evening and used the AB Custom curve untrued. Impact was off center roughly 7" low and left of point of aim. I think that's pretty acceptable for its first outing. I was also able to range the grain elevator from my driveway. I have no problems ranging a 12" plate at 800. Haven't taken it further yet, but I couldn't get a reliable range beyond 300 yards with my ziess prf on similar targets. So far I'm really impressed.


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[McNamara0851]

I played with my new 2400 today. I was able to get a first round hit at 798y in a 7 mph crosswind. Verified my velocity this evening and used the AB Custom curve untrued. Impact was off center roughly 7" low and left of point of aim. I think that's pretty acceptable for its first outing. I was also able to range the grain elevator from my driveway. I have no problems ranging a 12" plate at 800. Haven't taken it further yet, but I couldn't get a reliable range beyond 300 yards with my ziess prf on similar targets. So far I'm really impressed.


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[DaveSmith]

So if you have the Sig Kilo 2400 with Applied Ballistics built in as well as full weather and environmental condition sensors built in, there is no reason to have a $700 Kestral Elite? Thus having one piece of gear to range and get a firing solutions?

Is there a benefit to having a Kestral Elite? It seems like running a Sig 2200 without weather sensors and linking it to a Kestral Elite just adds another piece of gear to your ranging/firing solution system and forces you to rely on a Bluetooth link to connect the two.

Does anyone regret just using the Sig Kilo 2400 for a one piece of gear ranging/firing solution system?

 

[LawnMM]

The wind meter relies on your smartphone to use it. Phones don't do great in field conditions.

IMO it's not a 'one stop solution' as it was intended to be. This coming from a guy who reviewed one a few years back.

That said, the laser is damn impressive. Hit vehicles at 3k+ and the scan feature is excellent.

You still need a Kestrel IMO, so buy the Kestrel with AB or 4DOF and buy a 2400 BDX to lase targets and communicate via BT.

You're always going to need a wind meter and a rangefinder in this game.