Well, I think I am about to pull the trigger on purchasing a few things here and there. I will probably get a base or some rings soon, as well as a case. However, I am still looking for a used XCR, or at least a barreled action in .300 winmag. I have been looking at scopes, and would love to have a Nightforce 56mm, but who am I kidding, I just don't have the money. I absolutely love Bushnell, but have some questions. Do I really need FFP? Do I need illum? What is the difference in the Bushnell Elite 4200 Tactical and the regular Elite Tactical? I know they are doing with 4200 and so on and so forth, but is the regular Bushnell Elite 4200 Tactical a good scope? I found one for around $400 in 6-24X50, and it is not illum or FFP. Please give me some advice on which scope to get for my .300. I will be primarily hunting with it, along with just shooting at the farm. Not really wanting to spend a thousand dollars either, but if someone wants to sell me a Nightforce for that price, then thanks. Thanks to all.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 10thMTNFSO</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I think I am about to pull the trigger on purchasing a few things here and there. I will probably get a base or some rings soon, as well as a case. However, I am still looking for a used XCR, or at least a barreled action in .300 winmag. I have been looking at scopes, and would love to have a Nightforce 56mm, but who am I kidding, I just don't have the money. I absolutely love Bushnell, but have some questions. Do I really need FFP? Do I need illum? What is the difference in the Bushnell Elite 4200 Tactical and the regular Elite Tactical? I know they are doing with 4200 and so on and so forth, but is the regular Bushnell Elite 4200 Tactical a good scope? I found one for around $400 in 6-24X50, and it is not illum or FFP. Please give me some advice on which scope to get for my .300. I will be primarily hunting with it, along with just shooting at the farm. Not really wanting to spend a thousand dollars either, but if someone wants to sell me a Nightforce for that price, then thanks. Thanks to all. </div></div>
First, examining your priorities before you purchase is a good thing. And weighing whether you really need FFP and Illumination is correct.
If I were you I would also ponder hard over really needing a 6-24 power scope. Because based on your proposed use, you really don't. A 6-24x50mm even a good one like Bushnell's 4200 non FFP one come with certain inherent limitations.
As to what scope you should look at:
The Bushnell 4200 line is a good one, but the one you should consider is the 3-12x44MM ILL FFP MIL/MIL. They were selling at retail in the mid $500 range, just a few months ago, so finding a used one in your price range should not be too hard.
Other scopes you should look at:
SWFA SS 3-9x42mm FFP MIL/MIL
Vortex PST SFP scope line: 2.5-10 and 4-16 MIL/MIL
One other comment: Think of your rifle, then the scope, rings and bases, as parts to complete a system. Buy your rifle first, then build your system, around that.
Buying scope, rings, bases, BEFORE you buy your rifle, is putting the cart before the horse.
Best of luck,
Bob
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 10thMTNFSO</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I think I am about to pull the trigger on purchasing a few things here and there. I will probably get a base or some rings soon, as well as a case. However, I am still looking for a used XCR, or at least a barreled action in .300 winmag. I have been looking at scopes, and would love to have a Nightforce 56mm, but who am I kidding, I just don't have the money. I absolutely love Bushnell, but have some questions. Do I really need FFP? Do I need illum? What is the difference in the Bushnell Elite 4200 Tactical and the regular Elite Tactical? I know they are doing with 4200 and so on and so forth, but is the regular Bushnell Elite 4200 Tactical a good scope? I found one for around $400 in 6-24X50, and it is not illum or FFP. Please give me some advice on which scope to get for my .300. I will be primarily hunting with it, along with just shooting at the farm. Not really wanting to spend a thousand dollars either, but if someone wants to sell me a Nightforce for that price, then thanks. Thanks to all. </div></div>
First, examining your priorities before you purchase is a good thing. And weighing whether you really need FFP and Illumination is correct.
If I were you I would also ponder hard over really needing a 6-24 power scope. Because based on your proposed use, you really don't. A 6-24x50mm even a good one like Bushnell's 4200 non FFP one come with certain inherent limitations.
As to what scope you should look at:
The Bushnell 4200 line is a good one, but the one you should consider is the 3-12x44MM ILL FFP MIL/MIL. They were selling at retail in the mid $500 range, just a few months ago, so finding a used one in your price range should not be too hard.
Other scopes you should look at:
SWFA SS 3-9x42mm FFP MIL/MIL
Vortex PST SFP scope line: 2.5-10 and 4-16 MIL/MIL
One other comment: Think of your rifle, then the scope, rings and bases, as parts to complete a system. Buy your rifle first, then build your system, around that.
Buying scope, rings, bases, BEFORE you buy your rifle, is putting the cart before the horse.
Best of luck,
Bob
Re: Recommend me a scope please.
I have a spotting scope with FFP and I'm glad I don't have it on my hunting rifle scope. Illumination is good in very low light, ie generally when you aren't legally supposed to be hunting (I'm not sure about most of the laws, but when I would use it, it's dark out). I suggest buying your rifle, getting a good set of rings and a one-piece 15, 20, or 40 moa base (if you'll have enough adjustment in your riflescope) and getting a fixed 10X supersniper if you can possibly stand not having the adjustable magnification. And save up for a used NXS, my preference is the 3.5-15 X 50 with NP-R1 reticle followed closely by the 5.5-22X50 with NP-R1 reticle. And don't forget a good rangefinder (Bushnell 1500 is pretty good for the money).
Again I really don't like the FFP like I thought I would. For the spotting scope it's convenient, because I'm just looking at something and not taking a shot, but I feel at higher magnifications the view is a bit cluttered. And generally illumination is more a gimmick for the cheaper scopes. When you're hunting the illumination should be so faint you'll never even see it until it's absolutely dark out. For an adjustable scope with the higher magnification you mentioned I would lean toward a Vortex scope. But there's a reason there's so my 3-9 type magnification hunting scopes. You don't want to just see fur you want to be able to see everything around the game before you shoot. This will also help on a possible follow up shot if needed or quick shots. Also you seem to lose some of the clarity with some of the higher magnification range scopes. I'm not a huge fan of the Bushnell optics, and I do worry about how durable and accurate the knobs are on a lot of the lesser priced scopes. If you have the chance get a NXS (since you mentioned Nightforce) you'll be happy with it and there won't be that feeling of the one that got away.
Oh yeah Bob has some good points and some similar as mine, but something else to think about is having reticle and knobs match, for example Mil to Mil or MOA to MOA. I find MOA more useful, because I think more in MOA and inches and I'm not too familiar with Mils though you may be very used to them, but I find that rather rare in America. There's a lot to think about, but being deliberate goes into shooting precisely.
I have a spotting scope with FFP and I'm glad I don't have it on my hunting rifle scope. Illumination is good in very low light, ie generally when you aren't legally supposed to be hunting (I'm not sure about most of the laws, but when I would use it, it's dark out). I suggest buying your rifle, getting a good set of rings and a one-piece 15, 20, or 40 moa base (if you'll have enough adjustment in your riflescope) and getting a fixed 10X supersniper if you can possibly stand not having the adjustable magnification. And save up for a used NXS, my preference is the 3.5-15 X 50 with NP-R1 reticle followed closely by the 5.5-22X50 with NP-R1 reticle. And don't forget a good rangefinder (Bushnell 1500 is pretty good for the money).
Again I really don't like the FFP like I thought I would. For the spotting scope it's convenient, because I'm just looking at something and not taking a shot, but I feel at higher magnifications the view is a bit cluttered. And generally illumination is more a gimmick for the cheaper scopes. When you're hunting the illumination should be so faint you'll never even see it until it's absolutely dark out. For an adjustable scope with the higher magnification you mentioned I would lean toward a Vortex scope. But there's a reason there's so my 3-9 type magnification hunting scopes. You don't want to just see fur you want to be able to see everything around the game before you shoot. This will also help on a possible follow up shot if needed or quick shots. Also you seem to lose some of the clarity with some of the higher magnification range scopes. I'm not a huge fan of the Bushnell optics, and I do worry about how durable and accurate the knobs are on a lot of the lesser priced scopes. If you have the chance get a NXS (since you mentioned Nightforce) you'll be happy with it and there won't be that feeling of the one that got away.
Oh yeah Bob has some good points and some similar as mine, but something else to think about is having reticle and knobs match, for example Mil to Mil or MOA to MOA. I find MOA more useful, because I think more in MOA and inches and I'm not too familiar with Mils though you may be very used to them, but I find that rather rare in America. There's a lot to think about, but being deliberate goes into shooting precisely.
Re: Recommend me a scope please.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coolhandjoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a spotting scope with FFP and I'm glad I don't have it on my hunting rifle scope. Illumination is good in very low light, ie generally when you aren't legally supposed to be hunting (I'm not sure about most of the laws, but when I would use it, it's dark out). I suggest buying your rifle, getting a good set of rings and a one-piece 15, 20, or 40 moa base (if you'll have enough adjustment in your riflescope) and getting a fixed 10X supersniper if you can possibly stand not having the adjustable magnification. And save up for a used NXS, my preference is the 3.5-15 X 50 with NP-R1 reticle followed closely by the 5.5-22X50 with NP-R1 reticle. And don't forget a good rangefinder (Bushnell 1500 is pretty good for the money).
Again I really don't like the FFP like I thought I would. For the spotting scope it's convenient, because I'm just looking at something and not taking a shot, but I feel at higher magnifications the view is a bit cluttered. And generally illumination is more a gimmick for the cheaper scopes. When you're hunting the illumination should be so faint you'll never even see it until it's absolutely dark out. For an adjustable scope with the higher magnification you mentioned I would lean toward a Vortex scope. But there's a reason there's so my 3-9 type magnification hunting scopes. You don't want to just see fur you want to be able to see everything around the game before you shoot. This will also help on a possible follow up shot if needed or quick shots. Also you seem to lose some of the clarity with some of the higher magnification range scopes. I'm not a huge fan of the Bushnell optics, and I do worry about how durable and accurate the knobs are on a lot of the lesser priced scopes. If you have the chance get a NXS (since you mentioned Nightforce) you'll be happy with it and there won't be that feeling of the one that got away.
Oh yeah Bob has some good points and some similar as mine, but something else to think about is having reticle and knobs match, for example Mil to Mil or MOA to MOA. I find MOA more useful, because I think more in MOA and inches and I'm not too familiar with Mils though you may be very used to them, but I find that rather rare in America. There's a lot to think about, but being deliberate goes into shooting precisely. </div></div>
Joe,
Your new here, so you get a pass, but just for the record, MILS has nothing to do with the metric system, nor is MILS a system of linear measurement. So understanding MILS has nothing at all to do with where you live, which system of linear measurement (inches or metric)you were raised with, and the understanding MILS in the USA, is not rare at all.
Bob
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: coolhandjoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a spotting scope with FFP and I'm glad I don't have it on my hunting rifle scope. Illumination is good in very low light, ie generally when you aren't legally supposed to be hunting (I'm not sure about most of the laws, but when I would use it, it's dark out). I suggest buying your rifle, getting a good set of rings and a one-piece 15, 20, or 40 moa base (if you'll have enough adjustment in your riflescope) and getting a fixed 10X supersniper if you can possibly stand not having the adjustable magnification. And save up for a used NXS, my preference is the 3.5-15 X 50 with NP-R1 reticle followed closely by the 5.5-22X50 with NP-R1 reticle. And don't forget a good rangefinder (Bushnell 1500 is pretty good for the money).
Again I really don't like the FFP like I thought I would. For the spotting scope it's convenient, because I'm just looking at something and not taking a shot, but I feel at higher magnifications the view is a bit cluttered. And generally illumination is more a gimmick for the cheaper scopes. When you're hunting the illumination should be so faint you'll never even see it until it's absolutely dark out. For an adjustable scope with the higher magnification you mentioned I would lean toward a Vortex scope. But there's a reason there's so my 3-9 type magnification hunting scopes. You don't want to just see fur you want to be able to see everything around the game before you shoot. This will also help on a possible follow up shot if needed or quick shots. Also you seem to lose some of the clarity with some of the higher magnification range scopes. I'm not a huge fan of the Bushnell optics, and I do worry about how durable and accurate the knobs are on a lot of the lesser priced scopes. If you have the chance get a NXS (since you mentioned Nightforce) you'll be happy with it and there won't be that feeling of the one that got away.
Oh yeah Bob has some good points and some similar as mine, but something else to think about is having reticle and knobs match, for example Mil to Mil or MOA to MOA. I find MOA more useful, because I think more in MOA and inches and I'm not too familiar with Mils though you may be very used to them, but I find that rather rare in America. There's a lot to think about, but being deliberate goes into shooting precisely. </div></div>
Joe,
Your new here, so you get a pass, but just for the record, MILS has nothing to do with the metric system, nor is MILS a system of linear measurement. So understanding MILS has nothing at all to do with where you live, which system of linear measurement (inches or metric)you were raised with, and the understanding MILS in the USA, is not rare at all.
Bob
Re: Recommend me a scope please.
Buying scope, rings, bases, BEFORE you buy your rifle, is putting the cart before the horse.
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i always buy a good scope before the rifle because if i buy the rifle before the scope i will buy a cheap scope just to use the rifle faster .
in my opinion 6-24 magnification is to much for hunting
Buying scope, rings, bases, BEFORE you buy your rifle, is putting the cart before the horse.
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i always buy a good scope before the rifle because if i buy the rifle before the scope i will buy a cheap scope just to use the rifle faster .
in my opinion 6-24 magnification is to much for hunting
Re: Recommend me a scope please.
This is a great scope for the money.
Bushnell Elite 3200 Tactical Rifle Scope 10x 40mm 1/10 Mil Adjustments Mil-Dot Reticle Matte
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=950843
I rate the glass on these scopes from descent to pretty good. I used a low rating of "descent" in an attempt to avoid arguements. Frankly, of the several 10 power 3200's that I have owned, all of them have had pretty good glass. And for the price, the glass is an excellent value.
The reticle is the standard mil-dot and the knobs are matching mils. That way when you look through the scope and measure you necessary correction using the reticle, simply turn the knobs accordingly and shoot. It really is as simple as that.
The scope is well built and being a fixed 10 power it's strong and reliable. And fixed 10 power mil-dot scopes were used for years by both military and law enforcement snipers.
The scope is currently on sale for $200. That's an excellent deal. And this scope will work just as well on that .22LR trainer you'll want to build after you're done with your .300 Win Mag.
This is a great scope for the money.
Bushnell Elite 3200 Tactical Rifle Scope 10x 40mm 1/10 Mil Adjustments Mil-Dot Reticle Matte
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=950843
I rate the glass on these scopes from descent to pretty good. I used a low rating of "descent" in an attempt to avoid arguements. Frankly, of the several 10 power 3200's that I have owned, all of them have had pretty good glass. And for the price, the glass is an excellent value.
The reticle is the standard mil-dot and the knobs are matching mils. That way when you look through the scope and measure you necessary correction using the reticle, simply turn the knobs accordingly and shoot. It really is as simple as that.
The scope is well built and being a fixed 10 power it's strong and reliable. And fixed 10 power mil-dot scopes were used for years by both military and law enforcement snipers.
The scope is currently on sale for $200. That's an excellent deal. And this scope will work just as well on that .22LR trainer you'll want to build after you're done with your .300 Win Mag.
Re: Recommend me a scope please.
I just wanted to take a quick second and say thanks for answering fifty or sixty questions I have asked since becoming a member. I know some people on here are probably frustrated when they see my posts, but I always make sure and search the forum first. Thanks again for all of the help guys.
I just wanted to take a quick second and say thanks for answering fifty or sixty questions I have asked since becoming a member. I know some people on here are probably frustrated when they see my posts, but I always make sure and search the forum first. Thanks again for all of the help guys.
Re: Recommend me a scope please.
I think if people were frustrated with your posts they would tell you. You haven't been asking stupid questions like some people do.
As far as the scope goes, I agree with these guys. 6-24 is really too much magnification for a general purpose scope. Also, after your previous questions, I don't get the feeling that FFP is going to be that important for your needs. Furthermore, because you are such a big Bushnell fan and you seem to want the a scope with a "tactical" look and feel to it, I would make the following recommendation.
The Bushnell Tactical Elite 6500 2.5-16x42mm they are priced around $700 and it looks like it could fill your needs.
P.S. (with regards to BobinNC's "cart before the horse" comment) buying a scope, rings, and mounts before the gun is closer to buying the stable before the horse.
I think if people were frustrated with your posts they would tell you. You haven't been asking stupid questions like some people do.
As far as the scope goes, I agree with these guys. 6-24 is really too much magnification for a general purpose scope. Also, after your previous questions, I don't get the feeling that FFP is going to be that important for your needs. Furthermore, because you are such a big Bushnell fan and you seem to want the a scope with a "tactical" look and feel to it, I would make the following recommendation.
The Bushnell Tactical Elite 6500 2.5-16x42mm they are priced around $700 and it looks like it could fill your needs.
P.S. (with regards to BobinNC's "cart before the horse" comment) buying a scope, rings, and mounts before the gun is closer to buying the stable before the horse.
Re: Recommend me a scope please.
I agree that 6-24 is usually too much.
If your shooting varments or prairie dogs at long range then the extra magnification is nice but if your hunting larger game at closer ranges you may have a problem with that much power.
One scope to also consider is the new weaver tactical 3-15.
They look quite nice and have alot going for them for only like $700-$800.
I agree that 6-24 is usually too much.
If your shooting varments or prairie dogs at long range then the extra magnification is nice but if your hunting larger game at closer ranges you may have a problem with that much power.
One scope to also consider is the new weaver tactical 3-15.
They look quite nice and have alot going for them for only like $700-$800.
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Just out if curiosity, but don't you make a new post about this like once a week? Lol
Now that I said that, I'll read your post and respond haha
About mils and metric system... I kept having a brain fart and mixing up relation of mils and metric system as well.
Just remember mil is a system like a compass. I'm not a FO in the army, but from the little knowledge that I have about call for fire and land nav, mils are used in those too. They're like angles. Imagine is you had something that gave you degrees like a compass rose. Between 355 and 359 would be 4 degrees. At 50 yards that might be a narrow angle, but at 1000 meters it'll be much wider.
Just out if curiosity, but don't you make a new post about this like once a week? Lol
Now that I said that, I'll read your post and respond haha
About mils and metric system... I kept having a brain fart and mixing up relation of mils and metric system as well.
Just remember mil is a system like a compass. I'm not a FO in the army, but from the little knowledge that I have about call for fire and land nav, mils are used in those too. They're like angles. Imagine is you had something that gave you degrees like a compass rose. Between 355 and 359 would be 4 degrees. At 50 yards that might be a narrow angle, but at 1000 meters it'll be much wider.
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Well the answer to your question is YES, I do make some sort of post like this kinda often, but they are always a little different, cause I usually do some more research then have to ask a similar but diff question.
I once asked the same exact question twice, and boy will I never do that again.
As far as the MILS go, I am an expert. Prior FO and currently a FSO.
Well the answer to your question is YES, I do make some sort of post like this kinda often, but they are always a little different, cause I usually do some more research then have to ask a similar but diff question.
I once asked the same exact question twice, and boy will I never do that again.
As far as the MILS go, I am an expert. Prior FO and currently a FSO.
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