Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

[O23fish]

Need opinions on this STOCK rifle? Of course it's not gonna stay that way. Or just point me to other reviews/. Criticisms ect. My next rifle is a high dollar proj-that I'll put out as I go ..as in not waste your time. Thanks for any and all info- CHEERS

Regards for helping a somewhat newbie out....peace.

 

[ASTROMAN1]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

I did exactly what you are talking about doing. Started out as VTR 308 with the POS stock, replaced with B&C A5 (heavy, would recommend a A2), changed trigger to Timney put cheap glass on. Soon after I replaced it with better glass, better base, better rings. It is still a work in progress. I am now looking to rebarrel and true at some point in the not so distant future. I thought the barrel looked different. In reality it shoots OK (.5 MOA) with custom loads. My recommendation would be to get an 700SPS with threaded barrel in 308 restock it and get a Timney or if you have a bit of extra $ get the 5R. If the you really are hooked on the VTR look, make sure you get the VTR from Bass Pro without the brake. The brake is not very effective and loud if you shoot at a covered bench or stand. If you are not set on a 308 seriously consider a 260. That may be the next chambering for my old VTR.

 

[Mike]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

So if it's not going to remain stock it doesn't matter? The triangular barrel is a marketing gimmick and depending on how much you're paying you could be wasting your money. If it shoots well then use it until you get your custom.

Where in Florida are you located?

 

[redbullitt]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Hopefully shoots well. I would say just burn it out, then get a round barrel of your choice in there. That would be a good time to get any smith work you are thinking done. I assume that barrel is really no different than any other stock rem barrel, barring any defect of course. One good thing about it is that the crown is nicely recessed if I remember right.

As to the STOCK rifle, I imagine it will shoot plenty well for you to learn and practice on. Depending what you are paying it might not be the best deal (or it could be if you are getting it cheap lol). If you are planning on just swapping parts out, you may be better off with an older or used 700. There are plenty around.

I started with an SPS on a similar build. It shot pretty well from the start, and I just added/swapped things as time and funds allowed. Nothing wrong with doing it that way.

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Wow...not ONE suggestion? C'mon...Lil help huh? Thought you guys would be helpful...to interested people with gun passion? Yikes...

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Located in SW fla ...Tampa area...lookin at "tactical rifles" at the moment.

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Astronaut- its the triangle 26" recessed crown 5R rifling,no brakes....shoots well..got a $300.00 leopold...ect...what's so great about a round barrel ?

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Yah...really wants .260/.243....or a 6.5 Grendel ect...a round that will be somewhat accurate at 1000yds when I get comfortable being there.
Keep ideas coming...what's wrong with the B&C stock? Is it that bad? I know there are better for sure...but?

 

[Mike]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: O23fish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow...not ONE suggestion? C'mon...Lil help huh? Thought you guys would be helpful...to interested people with gun passion? Yikes...</div></div>

Not sure exactly what you're asking as your question is as clear as mud.

Are you asking about your rifle in it's stock form? Well, it's a stock rifle. How does it shoot? If it shoots what we consider well (.5moa or less) then great, keep it and shoot it until you can afford to upgrade it. If you don't know what shooting .5 moa means, do your research here. The triangular barrel is a marketing ploy by Remington and doesn't really have any true science to back it up. Sure, it's great in theory but there is nothing to show/prove it shoots better than a traditional round barrel-the shape that's been used for centuries.
What's wrong with a B&C stock? Nothing really wrong with it, but there are better options out there. What does "better" mean? It means stronger along with a more consistent bedding (attachment) to the barreled action. The $300 Leupold will be a limiting factor to really shooting far as well for numerous reasons.

So if you want a clear answer/suggestion, please give us a clear question.

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Okay-where to start, thanks for the reply, muddy as it Is. My question was simple and straightforward. Read. Just wanted opinions on the rifle,stock and barrel from those who have seen it, shot it, own it ect. Plain and simple. Yes I know the Leopold is what it is-not going to go 1000yds with it ,I know it a gods scope for what I paid. Oh, yes I know what MOA is-thx.
The barrel is a ploy? Did not know that...what do YOU mean? It doesn't work... My paper seems to rebuff that. I don't know but I'm sure the weakest part of that barrel is me-the shooter. As in I could shoot better- why is a round barrel better? My Q Aldo said ping me to some past talk about rifle/barrel discussions ect. Pretty self explanatory and thanks for any help.
Has anyone heard of or used "tactical rifles" a company located just up the road from me in Fla-if so how was it? How is your equipment that you received, thx
Regards-S

 

[Paulyr450]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

On other websites i have heard guys that have them saying that barrel heats up after 3 rounds and just starts shooting everywhere. One of my buddies had one for about a month and sold it before i could even try it out. He said he did not care for it. Everything is just other people opinions so if you like the gun try her out.

 

[Mike]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

I'm going to respond and then let you learn to fish.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: O23fish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Okay-where to start, thanks for the reply, muddy as it Is. My question was simple and straightforward. Read.</div></div>

First rule of public speaking (and this goes for the written word as well) is if your audience doesn't understand you, you've lost them. And given the overwhelming response to this thread (read: sarcasm) You lost many before you even started. So your question WAS NOT simple and straight forward; any eighth grade English teacher would agree.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: O23fish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just wanted opinions on the rifle,stock and barrel from those who have seen it, shot it, own it ect. Plain and simple.</div></div>

Here is an example of how it should have read:

I would like those with experience on this particular platform to opine on the merits, both positive and negative, of this rifle.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: O23fish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The barrel is a ploy? Did not know that...what do YOU mean? It doesn't work... My paper seems to rebuff that.</div></div>

Yes, it is a marketing ploy. If it was factual or able to be backed up with anything except psuedo-science ALL long range shooters in ALL disciplines for which it would be allowed would be all over this barrel shape. And what do you mean "My paper"? Lastly on this subject, your paper would "refute" my opinion, not necessarily "rebuff" it.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: O23fish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know but I'm sure the weakest part of that barrel is me-the shooter. As in I could shoot better- why is a round barrel better? </div></div>

You definitely are the weakest link. That is why we told you if the rifle shoots in its current state you should keep it and be happy.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: O23fish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My Q Aldo said ping me to some past talk about rifle/barrel discussions ect. Pretty self explanatory and thanks for any help.</div></div>

You see, here is an example of where there is too much work in trying to decipher your "ghetto-ese" to figure out what you are looking for. I finally came to the conclusion that you're trying to say.

"The goal of my question was also to solicit opinions on previous discussions surrounding the triangular barrel configuration and how well they've been accepted.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: O23fish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has anyone heard of or used "tactical rifles" a company located just up the road from me in Fla-if so how was it? How is your equipment that you received, thx
Regards-S</div></div>

Yes, we've heard of them and they are persona non gratis here on the Hide. Any mention (beyond this explanation) will result in an editing and warning, then a dismissal. The reasons are what they are and we will not go into depth. Suffice it to say it is set in stone.

Good Luck with your VTR.

 

[gnappi]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: O23fish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Need opinions on this STOCK rifle? Of course it's not gonna stay that way. Or just point me to other reviews/. Criticisms ect. My next rifle is a high dollar proj-that I'll put out as I go ..as in not waste your time. Thanks for any and all info- CHEERS

Regards for helping a somewhat newbie out....peace. </div></div>

I completely understand your question. Any lessons in English you may get are unfortunately adding more heat than light to the thread.

I have a VTR in .223. I wanted a bolt gun in this caliber and
since it was where I was when I had the money, I bought it

I like new ideas and don't let visual design sway me from taking chances, and in this case my lack of prejudices turned out to serve me well.

The first time at the range I brought a hodgepodge of ammo on my bench from a few makers and my own handloads. The little rifle shot everything under an inch with a cheap Tasco scope on it right out of the box.

The stock fit me well, so well I see no reason to touch it. IMO, building up one into a custom gun may be a good idea but there's no reason at all to pick this one over any other 700 unless its aesthetics please you as it comes out of the box.

I think that if I run into another in .308 I'll buy it.

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Gnappi,
I agree for sure....hence my paper comment . I have a $300.00 Millet and it's fine for now...got a same price Leopold and have not used it except in the store. A triangular barrel should be stronger then weaker than a round one? Engineers can explain that one to me. Back to on paper...once I had it dialed at 100yds it shot under MOA easily so pundits explain that? I agree and like the rifle...I was not fishing,trolling about "that" company. THEY are close to me so wanted to get others opinions on them. THAT'S ALL. No hidden agenda...the "hide" has unwritten rules and I must read 'em before I get harassed again. Thanks for your reply.
Regards,Sean


* I'll answer the others above after my shower-and pick apart their replies...ha

 

[cpt.creedmoor]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

dear god.....

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Mike,
8th grade comment =childish at best....the Q is simple- HAVE YOU SEEN,SHOT, OR ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE STOCK/set up. To opine on the merits of this platform blah blah.....'c'mon Mike..hot air and pretentious. Geez mine was simpler and more eloquent.
Ghetto-ese??? You don't know me so refrain from the cheap shots oh great one. Dont be a jerk because I did not say it more eloquently- tea anyone?? One lump or two? Just new to this forum and asked for some experiences or familiarity with this "platform" lol wow.
As to my comment on "that" company NOT fishing in any way ,they are local and wanted to see if anyone had used them. If so what did they think of their work ect....simple. Sorry I touched a "nerve" is it you who has a problem with them? I notice your name is in green...what does that mean? I'll look them up here see what I can find.
Anyone who actually cares to help I appreciate it. Just because I'm a newbie HERE does not mean I can't shoot, have done many other things that rack up experience.
Regards.S

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

....dear god...what? Is this not a friendly forum? Dear god....?

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Oh,
Mikes a sponser...I get it, the no comment thing. Why did you ask where in Fla I am located?? Hmmm?

 

[STR]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

OK, you want opinions, so here goes. The triangular barrel is a bad attempt from Remington to do something different to boost their sales, like their sorry user adjustable triggers. In my opinion, it's plain ugly, and doesn't do anything for the way it shoots. The stock is a cheap POS which they made to look like quality to anyone who doesn't know better. To me, why would I pay more for UGLY??

Now, a little about reviews in magazines. If you're Remington, who pays a magazine tons in advertisement, and your new product is reviewed by that magazine, what do you think they're going to write about it? On top of the fact you're paying for the write up. I know this from experience in advertisement, not because I read it somewhere. If you want to know about precision rifles, stick around, and do a little reading, you'll soon agree this is one of your best sources of info on the subject.

As for friendly, it is friendly, but few here will tolerate little in the way of BS if they think that's what you're bringing. You can't visit someone's home, and start calling them out like you did with Mike. First, the guy knows his stuff, and I'm sure he was trying to help.

I have delt with that company you mentioned in Florida, and there are much better options right here. That is unless you just want to pay more for less, then just drive over to them, and have at it. Xring Accuracy is just south of you, as is Bugholes if you want to keep it in Florida. If you don't care where you have work done, let me know, and I'll give you my two favorite guys in the business. Best of luck.

 

[Mike]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Actually, I am not a sponsor, I am a moderator here.

But now that we've established a better way to communicate, let me try and address your question more thoroughly.

I've shot it and it is accurate, however it is just a factory Remington. Despite the rhetoric given by the "objective" gun writers there is ZERO proof the triangular barrel makes a difference. So for the simple fact a round barrel is easier to make, and therefore less expensive to reproduce, it is safe to say a triangular barrel is not needed. Personally I like the goofiness of the triangular barrel but I don't believe the hype and initially the price was beyond stupid for what amounted to a stock factory Remington 700.

The stock is a POS compared to aftermarket stocks and IF you decide to improve this rifle the stock would be the first move (if I were you).

Now it shoots well? Great. Then put a decent piece of glass on it and shoot it until you are ready to make improvements.

So the bottom line is this: If it shoots well (which means <.5moa with factory match ammo) then shoot it and be done. If it doesn't shoot well, then you can start down the road of customization.

And as far as Tactical Rifles goes, that is a policy of Sniper's Hide and its owner, it has nothing to do with me.

I asked where you were in Florida because I was going to invite you to our range which has distances out to 940, multiple movers and more steel than a Maine shipyard.

 

[excess]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: O23fish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
A triangular barrel should be stronger then weaker than a round one? Engineers can explain that one to me.</div></div>

I'm an engineer. I've never seen a barrel break so from a strength standpoint I think the round barrel is just as good as a triangular one.

Oh, did you mean stiffness?

 

[-Nick-]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

For those just catching up 023fish was just attempting to argue with Mike in regards to rifles and platforms. Then when Mike asked him where in Florida he was located in an effort to extend an olive branch to the drowning fish he was met with query as to whether Mike was stalking him for his prowess because he failed to see the K&M directly beneath his name, failed to look at his profile, failed to use google, and in general failed... To be continued...

So which is better... DI vs. Piston?

 

[VJJPunisher]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

only thing a triangular barrel is good for, or "better" at is using it as a buttplug, just my 2 cents, please dont take offense

 

[dogman]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Apt sig line, even.

 

[-Nick-]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VJJPunisher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">only thing a triangular barrel is good for, or "better" at is using it as a buttplug, just my 2 cents, please dont take offense </div></div>

You're supposed to take the Toblerone out of the box before eating it dude...

 

[gnappi]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: O23fish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....dear god...what? Is this not a friendly forum? Dear god....? </div></div>

Nope, it's not friendly at all, just a bunch of know it all experts. I guess "moderators" really don't read the "don't attack new members" notice.

Clearly that "moderator" took every effort to dress you down. Another with: Triangular barrel buttplug?

I'm out of here.

Hey "Moderator" pull the plug on me, you're a fool who knows nothing about English

 

[Mike]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Then leave. No one is forcing you to be here gnappi. You are welcome to leave and not return.

 

[cpt.creedmoor]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gnappi</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: O23fish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">....dear god...what? Is this not a friendly forum? Dear god....? </div></div>

Nope, it's not friendly at all, just a bunch of know it all experts. I guess "moderators" really don't read the "don't attack new members" notice.

Clearly that "moderator" took every effort to dress you down. Another with: Triangular barrel buttplug?

I'm out of here.

Hey "Moderator" pull the plug on me, you're a fool who knows nothing about English



</div></div>

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

I was just looking for answers and info. That's IT no hidden agenda or any of such foolishness. And to the dill ...yah I didn't google? Didn't do a back search on the person-geez, was I supposed to? Creepy. I'll read and pick up info on my own-but if this place is a cliq-fest than forget it...I'm out too.
I meant no disrespect just want some info-why is the B&C stock from Rem on that rifle crap?
Seriously. And yes, it does shoot good, very good to me, but I have much to learn. Mike-where is your Range if you were going to offer I'd love to take you up on it...though my scope may come up a bit short lol.
Regards,Sean

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

It dissipates heat easier than round...possibly stiffer. Maybe you could enlighten us on that one? YOU show me some proof either way chief....

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Wow great soap opera summation....to be continued? <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those just catching up 023fish was just attempting to argue with Mike in regards to rifles and platforms. Then when Mike asked him where in Florida he was located in an effort to extend an olive branch to the drowning fish he was met with query as to whether Mike was stalking him for his prowess because he failed to see the K&M directly beneath his name, failed to look at his profile, failed to use google, and in general failed... To be continued...

So which is better... DI vs. Piston? </div></div>

 

[dogman]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Besides the semi-nonsensical initial post, this was your downfall:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow...not ONE suggestion? C'mon...Lil help huh? Thought you guys would be helpful...to interested people with gun passion? Yikes...</div></div>

Which translate to "Wow...I'm a douche, me-me-me...Yikes..."

You are such an important and unique little snowflake that everyone has to drop what they are doing and answer your post which reads like a 12 year old's text.

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

So it shoots huh? You have shot it...good. If still offered I'd love to shoot at your facility/range. I have a few other rifles that I love shooting. My m-4...Tikka...newish Rem...custom LR .22 Kidd (gunsmith from Texas)...anyway-good shooting....S

 

[DirtD]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Did you call B&C? I have talked to them b4, they have great customer service and would be happy to talk to you.
Anyways, this thread probably needs to be locked, I am pretty sure we are being trolled.

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Give it a rest "dogman" won't even go into that name ha. Just get off my d#%k give a new poster a break. It's over -get over it hardly a "downfall" just lookin for a little help. What's the rule about inflammatory remarks "douchebag" hardly fuc£f^c€ , I'll leave it at that. Quit pileing on unless you have some constructive things to add-otherwise zip it. Get over yourself,never asked for special treatment...just answers and info. That's it...zippo

*oh and your right...you opened your mouth and removed ALL doubt....carry on....

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

DirtD
Thanks and I'll try that,call 'em direct. I agree about the trolling...I did no cut and pasting like that which is above???

*Mods maybe you could lock this? Trolls

 

[Mike]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

023Fish,
As I said before the B&C stock is not as strong as the aftermarket stocks out there. The way it bolts to the barreled action may not be as consistent as the better stocks (Manners, McMillan, Chassis sytems) out there. It's a mass-produced stock for a mass-produced rifle. It may get the job done but there are much better options out there.

Now as far as the barrel goes, again, if there was solid science to back it up we'd all listen.

Now as far as the range goes it is in between Crestview and Pensacola up in the Panhandle. It's an open invitation and sincere offer if you find yourself in that area, just PM me and let me know. We may even find a scope to get you out far.

 

[excess]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now as far as the range goes it is in between Crestview and Pensacola up in the Panhandle. It's an open invitation and sincere offer if you find yourself in that area, just PM me and let me know. We may even find a scope to get you out far. </div></div>

EXTREMELY generous offer. I'd consider buying a plane ticket from Iliinois for that offer!

 

[Guest]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

I took a little different route with my VTR 308. I put the AICS AX stock on to allow magazines and I love folding stocks. Then I upgraded the glass and put a nice Harris Bi-pod on, and finally a Timney 517 trigger. I did it one piece at a time over about six months but I sure like the set up.

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Mike,
I really appreciate you breaking down the B&C for me. I get it ,and thanks. The barrel-well
It'll have to do for now,probably going to order a full custom from a builder on here...the Q is- .260,.243, 6.5mm Cr, 6.5mm Grendel, .300wsm ugh?U
I'll check my schedule-and look forward to shooting at a nice place like yours-thanks for the offer. I will be taking you up on it!
Regards,Sean W

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Hey Cuzi,
Thanks for the info/reply ...could you by chance put up a couple pics?? I would love to see it in that configuration ! How does it shoot for you? Sounds like you made some good moves! What kind of glass did you end up with? Again thanks for the reply and would love to hear more and see some or a pic if possible. Good shooting ...
Regards,S

 

[UIUCPPQ]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: O23fish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mike,
I really appreciate you breaking down the B&C for me. I get it ,and thanks. The barrel-well
It'll have to do for now,probably going to order a full custom from a builder on here...the Q is- .260,.243, 6.5mm Cr, 6.5mm Grendel, .338wsm ugh?
I'll check my schedule-and look forward to shooting at a nice place like yours-thanks for the offer. I will be taking you up on it!
Regards,Sean W

</div></div>

Not sure if you took your time to write this or what, but everyone would take you a lot more seriously on here if you phrased things at least this well all the time, not trying to degrade you just making a suggestion.

My uncle has the VTR in .223 and I was scoring his target yesterday at 300 yards; may have been him but his group was all over the place. I couldn't see a pattern that I could attribute to heat build-up and I think he was using bags not a bipod so I doubt the stock was pressuring things. That being said my SPS Tac in a much-better-than-stock chassis was far tighter. Other than that short experience I can't comment too much on the VTR.

Also, CNC, I'm with you; let's ditch Illinois and go visit Mike sometime lol!

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UIUCPPQ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: O23fish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mike,
I really appreciate you breaking down the B&C for me. I get it ,and thanks. The barrel-well
It'll have to do for now,probably going to order a full custom from a builder on here...the Q is- .260,.243, 6.5mm Cr, 6.5mm Grendel, .338wsm ugh?
I'll check my schedule-and look forward to shooting at a nice place like yours-thanks for the offer. I will be taking you up on it!
Regards,Sean W

</div></div>

Not sure if you took your time to write this or what, but everyone would take you a lot more seriously on here if you phrased things at least this well all the time, not trying to degrade you just making a suggestion.

My uncle has the VTR in .223 and I was scoring his target yesterday at 300 yards; may have been him but his group was all over the place. I couldn't see a pattern that I could attribute to heat build-up and I think he was using bags not a bipod so I doubt the stock was pressuring things. That being said my SPS Tac in a much-better-than-stock chassis was far tighter. Other than that short experience I can't comment too much on the VTR.

Also, CNC, I'm with you; let's ditch Illinois and go visit Mike sometime lol! </div></div>

Thanks-I think,
The .223 VTR is a different stock than the .308. Mine has a B&C on it(medalist ?) so not sure if they compare-except Barrel style-also my barrel has no ports/reliefs. Not that it's any better than the VTR .223 . It shoots good so far and I got a great deal $$ for it so I'll just shoot it out.
Going to get a full custom soon-just need some more research ect.
Regards,Sean

* Deff going to take Mike up on his more than generous offer...!

 

[-Nick-]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: O23fish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow great soap opera summation....to be continued? <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Broker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those just catching up 023fish was just attempting to argue with Mike in regards to rifles and platforms. Then when Mike asked him where in Florida he was located in an effort to extend an olive branch to the drowning fish he was met with query as to whether Mike was stalking him for his prowess because he failed to see the K&M directly beneath his name, failed to look at his profile, failed to use google, and in general failed... To be continued...

So which is better... DI vs. Piston? </div></div> </div></div>

Sure... For those catching up... Mike still knows what he's talking about more than O23fish, triangular barrels are still just a gimmick, and O23fish was given an offer to go to K&M that leaves some of us wanting to junk punch Mike, lol...

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

What is this shite are you like the running commentary kook or something give it a rest get over yourself so what I'm new here I want to learn more than I know now what's the big deal?? Oh yeah I bought a rifle with the triangular barrel woo hoo... Who gives a shite? Do you honestly have nothing better to do?
But thanks for the update I was losing track? Direct impingement is my preference... although I have gas guns too... anyway try and have fun broker it'll do you some good...haha-me and my triangular barrel are out to dinner for now...
Regards,S

Broker are you a troll....lol... oh yeah you broke my rule you opened your mouth removing all doubt...

 

[Mike]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Alright all, the car swerved on the road and we got it back in-between the white lines. Now back on cruise control and we're GTG.

 

[-Nick-]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: O23fish</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is this shite are you like the running commentary kook or something give it a rest get over yourself so what I'm new here I want to learn more than I know now what's the big deal?? Oh yeah I bought a rifle with the triangular barrel woo hoo... Who gives a shite? Do you honestly have nothing better to do?
But thanks for the update I was losing track? Direct impingement is my preference... although I have gas guns too... anyway try and have fun broker it'll do you some good...haha-me and my triangular barrel are out to dinner for now...
Regards,S

Broker are you a troll....lol... oh yeah you broke my rule you opened your mouth removing all doubt... </div></div>

So direct impingement is not gas? Odd... And you asked if there would be a continuance so I obliged, ergo you received what you asked for. And that whole last line only makes sense to you...

 

[prinjm6]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

https://fbcdn-photos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/182157_2892487371003_1271084783_n.jpg

Link to a picture of my 700 in a B&C A5. I find this stock to be more comfortable than a friend's AICS. Also I have a (broken) millett trs-1 it lasted 9 rounds from my Mosin M39 before coming apart. Check out SWFA SS scopes fixed power but rock solid and perform as advertised.

 

[prinjm6]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Oh and how some say the B&C is not as good due to it being mass produced or not fitting properly imo is BS and if you absolutely want a perfect for go get some acraglass and bed your action. You will save a couple hundred $ which can go to ammunition to practice and hone shooting skills which the human factor is usually the biggest issue.

 

[O23fish]

Re: Rem .308 VTR triangle barrel-Bell &Carson stock

Yes DI is gas....you know what I meant. Last line is a quote from (Lincon) I believe,could be wrong...look it up! SD thanks for the pic/comments I agree and will just accurize this one ...as I'm hunting a builder for a full custom rifle-it'll be a wait but I look forward to a new toy. I like the look of your set-up SD-how does it shoot? Yah my Millet is going to a new home-as is the below par Leopold I bought. Looks like you have to spend as much on glass as a rifle! Saving up to do that as all my $$ is going for my (custom)new build. Who knows how long that could take?
Thanks Mike for grabbing the wheel and trueing the course- won't swerve again lol. Good shootin...
Regards-S