Remage prefit barrels on M2013, Tempest, or similar actions?

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As the title states, just wondering if anyone has modified Remage prefit barrels to work on proprietary actions such as Badger, GAP, Barnard, etc?

My understanding is that the barrels have a '3rd ring' or collar that needs to be machined off, otherwise turning them into Savage prefits with Remington threads. I'm looking to use a barrel nut system for easier/cheaper barrel swaps on one of the above actions, similar to how a Defiance or Mausingfield is compatible with prefit barrels.

Here is a comparison of a Remage prefit (top) and Savage prefit (bottom) to show the difference at the breach: [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/c1.staticflickr.com\/3\/2812\/33358370802_31ebb30976_z.jpg"}[/IMG2]


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Looking for opinions, advice, or safety concerns.

Thanks in advance.

 

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the Badger M2013 and the GAP tempest do not have a 3rd ring it's called a breeching ring and does not have to be machined off or can't be machined off due to the locking lugs lock in to the ring.

Montrose

 

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the Badger M2013 and the GAP tempest do not have a 3rd ring it's called a breeching ring and does not have to be machined off or can't be machined off due to the locking lugs lock in to the ring.

Montrose

Not sure I follow.

I understand that the Badger and GAP do not have a breeching ring. I'm asking if that breeching ring can be machined off the Remington barrel in order to accommodate a 60 degree action.

 

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you mean machine the bolt nose section off of a barrel made for a remington if you are going to go that far you could have a prefit barrel made for a GAP Tempest or Badger M2013.

Montrose

 

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The tempest and 2013(and the AI) have a breech ring inside the action. Its a removable ring which incorporates the receiver lugs. The rear of the barrel is supposed to pinch it in place. In other words, the barrel would shoulder on the action face, and the nose of the barrel would shoulder on the breech ring simultaneously. So while a prefit barrel is possible, it would need to be head spaced during machining. The user would not be able to headspace the barrel.

 

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The tempest and 2013(and the AI) have a breech ring inside the action. Its a removable ring which incorporates the receiver lugs. The rear of the barrel is supposed to pinch it in place. In other words, the barrel would shoulder on the action face, and the nose of the barrel would shoulder on the breech ring simultaneously. So while a prefit barrel is possible, it would need to be head spaced during machining. The user would not be able to headspace the barrel.

Got it. Could you, in theory, remove the breeching ring in order for the user to headspace the barrel like a standard barrel nut system? Just wondering if it would even be possible or if there would be any potential negative implications from doing so.

My understanding is that the ring is there to help direct gases elsewhere if a case fails during firing. If safety is sacrificed in any way, I'm out.

 

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you mean machine the bolt nose section off of a barrel made for a remington if you are going to go that far you could have a prefit barrel made for a GAP Tempest or Badger M2013.

Montrose

That would be the other option... just trying to avoid long lead times and the higher costs associated with doing that. I'd be able to machine the recess off of a Remington barrel in a matter of 10 minutes, and could take advantage of mass-produced prefits rather than custom.

 

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Got it. Could you, in theory, remove the breeching ring in order for the user to headspace the barrel like a standard barrel nut system? Just wondering if it would even be possible or if there would be any potential negative implications from doing so.

My understanding is that the ring is there to help direct gases elsewhere if a case fails during firing. If safety is sacrificed in any way, I'm out.

No, the breech ring IS what the bolt lugs butt against. The bolt lugs would be floating in space without it. The ring allows the use of a disimilar metal to the receiver body and bolt, and to allow for replacement of the receiver lugs for wear. For a mental picture, machine the lug abutments out of a remington receiver to a point midway down the feedramp. That is what it would look like with out the breech ring.

 

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That would be the other option... just trying to avoid long lead times and the higher costs associated with doing that. I'd be able to machine the recess off of a Remington barrel in a matter of 10 minutes, and could take advantage of mass-produced prefits rather than custom.

If you can machine the nose of a remington barrel off, have you considered just doing the fitting/chambering yourself?

 

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The ring by the bolt in the picture is the breeching ring for a Badger M2013 action.

Montrose

 

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No, the breech ring IS what the bolt lugs butt against. The bolt lugs would be floating in space without it. The ring allows the use of a disimilar metal to the receiver body and bolt, and to allow for replacement of the receiver lugs for wear. For a mental picture, machine the lug abutments out of a remington receiver to a point midway down the feedramp. That is what it would look like with out the breech ring.

Thank you for the explanation. You've confirmed my initial hunch, that this would be more hassle than it's worth.

I would just headspace the barrel on my own, unfortunately my lathe access has a 'no firearms policy.' Barrels are kind of a gray area because it's easy to disguise as a lamp post or something... Barreled actions, not so much.

 

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The ring by the bolt in the picture is the breeching ring for a Badger M2013 action.

Montrose

Much appreciated, good sir. That picture helps a lot. Defiance or Mausingfield it is, lol.

 

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If you have an action in mind that you lean towards, you can purchase it and have it mapped out by your smith of choice. Then just order barrels from them when needed. Josh at PVA comes to mind for that. LRI is another.