Remington 700 Alpha 1

[warnera1102]

So has anyone seen this? I know the 700 quality has fallen off over the years but this looks promising. It does seem as if they took some notes from the 700 clones.

First Look: Remington Alpha 1 New Model 700 From Remington

The Remington Alpha 1 is the next evolution of the 700 series of rifles from Remington Firearms. After a few years of restructuring, Remington is returning to their roots, producing firearms that not only perform but ones that have the highest levels of quality control aimed at the hunting market.

internationalsportsman.com

 

[Gil P.]

So has anyone seen this? I know the 700 quality has fallen off over the years but this looks promising. It does seem as if they took some notes from the 700 clones.

First Look: Remington Alpha 1 New Model 700 From Remington

The Remington Alpha 1 is the next evolution of the 700 series of rifles from Remington Firearms. After a few years of restructuring, Remington is returning to their roots, producing firearms that not only perform but ones that have the highest levels of quality control aimed at the hunting market.

internationalsportsman.com

It looks like a big step up. I wonder how much longer the magwell is.

Now they need to stop making the old 700s and move on completely.

 

[BigRed308]

 

[Dave62677]

They need to get into the prefit game.

 

[spife7980]

They need to get into the prefit game.

According to the OPs article it will be able to swap bolts and barrels and have good headspace so it appears they are on this alpha 1 thing.

 

[Digetydog]

Want!

 

[FuhQ]

So has anyone seen this? I know the 700 quality has fallen off over the years but this looks promising. It does seem as if they took some notes from the 700 clones.

First Look: Remington Alpha 1 New Model 700 From Remington

The Remington Alpha 1 is the next evolution of the 700 series of rifles from Remington Firearms. After a few years of restructuring, Remington is returning to their roots, producing firearms that not only perform but ones that have the highest levels of quality control aimed at the hunting market.

internationalsportsman.com

Everything I told them they have needed to do for the last 10+ years, and someone FINALLY listened to me! I'm now REALLY excited! I will be buying one! All barrels are 5R and fluted to shave weight with suppressor threads!, extended mag well, upgrade the bolt design and remove the bolt latch off the trigger, upgrade the twist rates for modern bullet weights... This is like I just got the perfect factory rifle made just the way I wanted it. Now if they'll offer awesome cartridges like the .28 Nosler, .280 AI 40º (which Nosler makes factory ammo and brass for), and a 7mm RemMag with a 1:8 twist, this is going to be awesome!

 

[Aaros143]

Anyone hear a price on these?

 

[Dave62677]

Hope they have the small firing pin

 

[FuhQ]

Anyone hear a price on these?

I can't find any info listed anywhere. But the fact it comes with Oberndorf bottom metal and a Timney trigger OEM is telling it will most likely be at least $1,000 MSRP. If "street price" is less than that, I will be even more impressed.

 

[FuhQ]

Hope they have the small firing pin

And fixed the oversized FP hole, causing cratered primers. I never had a problem with the cratering, but it does make noticing pressure signs harder.

 

[rookie7]

Looks like a homerun! I wish them the best on this and if it turns out as good as stated I'll buy one.

 

[pmclaine]

I have a case of "queer eye for the gear guy"

The legacy Remington 700 shoots just fine for the majority of people.

People here require that the factory receiver be accurized and the gains are minimal but they matter.

Still when it comes to aesthetics, and aesthetics matter to me to an extent, the original R700 receiver is simple and good looking.

The new bolt handle looks cheap and the bolt plug looks cheap.

I like Rifles to first shoot good but they also must look good.

Win model 70 by modern standards does not shoot to spec.......but man does it look good.

 

[pineoak]

I would not buy a "new" Remington at this time.

From QC to CS... there are so many better options on the market unless you have to have a "Remington 700 action" for a specific reason.

Personal choice having purchased 2 new Remingtons in the past 10 years.

Would it be that difficult for them to focus on their current lineup and just make them better with higher quality control?

This new updated version of the old 700 feels like a marketing reboot.

Hopefully they are doing it right and this Alpha 1 turns out to be a winner.

 

[Average guy]

Looks like the made some meaningful upgrades. That being said why use a savage extractor. Literally every clone is running some variation of a mini16 extractor. Big mistake IMO.

 

[srt-4_uk]

Looks like the made some meaningful upgrades. That being said why use a savage extractor. Literally every clone is running some variation of a mini16 extractor. Big mistake IMO.

*Laughs in Zermatt*

 

[The D]

Vewy intewesting.

 

[Average guy]

*Laughs in Zermatt*

Or Defiance

 

[FuhQ]

The only thing I can see that they were not (as far as we know) attentive to, is the 2-lug bolt design that requires a 90º bolt throw, and can at times have unequal pressure on them due to receiver machining tolerances.

I much prefer the A-Bolt design with a 3-lug setup, that not only equally distributes pressure among 3 large bolt lugs (handles MORE pressure, and more equally), but also has a short and fast 60º bolt throw, that is nearly flat when unlocked to cycle, and is not close to the scope, or hitting your thumb on the scope or rings when cycling fast.

That's my only gripe so far. But as far as I know, they very well could have redesigned the lug locations to allow for a shorter throw? Only time will tell once more info about them comes out.

 

[Gil P.]

Looks like the made some meaningful upgrades. That being said why use a savage extractor. Literally every clone is running some variation of a mini16 extractor. Big mistake IMO.

We'll see how it performs. I've never used that type of extractor, but the ejection angle on the m16 type can be a little high and hit the scope. The lug mounted extractor will eject with less of an angle, and if it works well, I think it's a good thing.

 

[srt-4_uk]

Or Defiance

You missed what I was saying.

 

[Average guy]

We'll see how it performs. I've never used that type of extractor, but the ejection angle on the m16 type can be a little high and hit the scope. The lug mounted extractor will eject with less of an angle, and if it works well, I think it's a good thing.

With a properly placed ejector on most clones ejection is a non issue. There’s literally tons of threads on poor savage extraction. I have worked on enough of them to no want anything to do with it. That being said if they run the standard 700 ejector it may help the design, not drop cases half way out.

 

[Average guy]

You missed what I was saying.

No, this isn’t the same as a Zermatt. This looks to be straight up savage, and they suck

 

[gopherslayer]

Do you think they’ll put out a 7 or 8 twist for the .22 cans? Here’s to hoping.

 

[srt-4_uk]

No, this isn’t the same as a Zermatt. This looks to be straight up savage, and they suck

Can you please explain how a Zermatt sliding plate extractor is more like a variation of mini 16 than a Savage sliding plate. I'm genuinely curious

 

[Average guy]

Never said it was the same, a Zermatt has a large claw built into it and is in a controlled round feed action. It’s definitely reliable. The only similarity between it and a savage is they both slide. All similarly ends there.

 

[Digetydog]

The only thing I can see that they were not (as far as we know) attentive to, is the 2-lug bolt design that requires a 90º bolt throw, and can at times have unequal pressure on them due to receiver machining tolerances.

I much prefer the A-Bolt design with a 3-lug setup, that not only equally distributes pressure among 3 large bolt lugs (handles MORE pressure, and more equally), but also has a short and fast 60º bolt throw, that is nearly flat when unlocked to cycle, and is not close to the scope, or hitting your thumb on the scope or rings when cycling fast.

That's my only gripe so far. But as far as I know, they very well could have redesigned the lug locations to allow for a shorter throw? Only time will tell once more info about them comes out.

A lot of people like the current two lug setup.

 

[FuhQ]

A lot of people like the current two lug setup.

I've owned a dozen 700's, and still do, and I'm one of the biggest 700 fanboys out there, but the 2-lug setup is very antiquated and outdated, IMO. The 3-lug setup is much more efficient, stronger, and distributes pressure better. Not to mention the much shorter and faster 60º bolt-throw.

 

[FuhQ]

Do you think they’ll put out a 7 or 8 twist for the .22 cans? Here’s to hoping.

The article said ALL chamberings have been updated with modern twist rates for heavy high-BC bullets. So, I'd certainly hope the .22 calibers have been updated to 1:7 or 1:8 twists. I hope they are going to offer some .25 calibers with a 1:7 twist. They really need to standardize the .25 Creedmoor and .25-06 AI 40º with a 1:7 twist. The .25-06 AI 40º pushing the new Berger 133 and 135's would become the deer hunter's cartridge again.

And the .25CM with a 1:7 would be an amazing factory whitetail offering for deer hunters inside of 500 yards, and for youth and female hunters. No recoil, amazing ballistics, flat-shooting, and you can get away with shorter barrels like 16"-20" without losing any real performance.

 

[Digetydog]

I've owned a dozen 700's, and still do, and I'm one of the biggest 700 fanboys out there, but the 2-lug setup is very antiquated and outdated, IMO. The 3-lug setup is much more efficient, stronger, and distributes pressure better. Not to mention the much shorter and faster 60º bolt-throw.

I get that, but I am used to the 2 lug bolt throw and find the 3 lug designs make it harder to cock the action due to the shorter throw.

Some people clearly prefer more lugs, but there is a reason the majority of bolt action rifles sold today still have two lug designs.

 

[FuhQ]

How does modern and 25-06 exist in the same sentence?

And the jury is still out twist rates on fast .224's. There's a nexus between blowing up bullets and getting the most BC out of a bullet by spinning it really fast. I live at 6500ft ASL and don't need or want a 7" on my 22 Creedmoor

A .25-06 Rem...Sure. But you've obviously you've never shot or seen a .25-06 Ackley Improved 40º in action with modern powders and bullets. It's damn-impressive.

 

[srt-4_uk]

How many factory guns are chambered in 25-06AI IMP 40⁰? And what ammo can you buy off the shelf?
Same with the 25 creedmoor.

 

[FuhQ]

How many factory guns are chambered in 25-06AI IMP 40⁰? And what ammo can you buy off the shelf?
Same with the 25 creedmoor.

Hornady loves to standardize shit. Why can’t the “new” Remington start standardizing some cartridges?

Standardize the cartridge with SAAMI, chamber the guns you build in those cartridges, and then make ammo and brass for those cartridges… Works well for Nosler.

 

[FuhQ]

As long as it's a 25-06 39° Imp, right?

No, the Ackley cartridges were never standardized, so just like Nosler did with the .280 AI 40°, they had it standardized.

Oh, and I know you were trying to be a dick, but all it did was make you look petty.

 

[FuhQ]

What do you mean no? You literally just said what I said.... So the answer is, "Yes, I want Remington to standardize my niche boutique non-standard cartridge".

Petty...

 

[FuhQ]

 

[Digetydog]

Hornady loves to standardize shit. Why can’t the “new” Remington start standardizing some cartridges?

Standardize the cartridge with SAAMI, chamber the guns you build in those cartridges, and then make ammo and brass for those cartridges… Works well for Nosler.

Remington Ammo is made by an entirely different company than RemArms.

 

[FuhQ]

Remington Ammo is made by an entirely different company than RemArms.

That is entirely beside the point. It’s still an entity.

 

[Digetydog]

That is entirely beside the point. It’s still an entity.

They are totally unrelated companies. They are similar to a couple who gets divorced but both keep using the same last name.

During the bankruptcy Remington Ammunition was bought by Vista Outdoors (Federal/CCI).

The rifle company was bought by the Roundhill group and named RemArms.

They have nothing in common except the brand name.

 

[Kickin45]

I wish them the best.
Just hope it drops into all my Remy chassis and aftermarket stocks without inletting.
And what about triggers? Backwards compatible with 700’s I hope?

 

[moosemeat]

Gonna cost $2000 minimum but if it shoots and they hold QC it should be good.
It's not 3 lug and not everyone wants a 3 lug. Heavier bolt lift being one reason.

 

[IHFarmer07]

Hope they have the small firing pin

Looks as if the FP hole is still large….maybe wrong but sure don’t look small!

 

[Digetydog]

I wish them the best.
Just hope it drops into all my Remy chassis and aftermarket stocks without inletting.
And what about triggers? Backwards compatible with 700’s I hope?

It is going to have a larger ejection port like many of the custom actions. It will almost certainly drop into a chassis, but stocks will probably need a little trimming to take advantage of it.

 

[Turkeytider]

Looks like a homerun! I wish them the best on this and if it turns out as good as stated I'll buy one.

I just hope that they ( the gun and Remington ) are given a fair trial. Even if it`s not the " old " Remington, just doesn`t seem right to have an American arms scene without Remington in the field and on the range.

 

[fdkay]

They need to get into the prefit game.

according to the article, you can do shouldered prefits.

 

[fdkay]

How dare they do exactly what we've been asking for for the past 15 years??? We need to tell them this isn't good enough, blah, blah, blah.

 

[srt-4_uk]

Gonna cost $2000 minimum but if it shoots and they hold QC it should be good.
It's not 3 lug and not everyone wants a 3 lug. Heavier bolt lift being one reason.

Number of lugs has nothing to do with bolt lift.

 

[The D]

How dare they do exactly what we've been asking for for the past 15 years??? We need to tell them this isn't good enough, blah, blah, blah.

To be fair, the last 15yrs they were coasting on gov contracts and their name. New rifle looks awesome, hopefully the reality is just as good

 

[moosemeat]

Number of lugs has nothing to do with bolt lift.

Yes it does. Shortening the rotation means increasing the cooking force directly proportional. Also primary extraction has to be shorter and more aggressive increasing force.
Anyways, would it still be a 700 if they change everything?

 

[spife7980]

Yes it does. Shortening the rotation means increasing the cooking force directly proportional. Also primary extraction has to be shorter and more aggressive increasing force.
Anyways, would it still be a 700 if they change everything?

Not directly. It generally correlates, yes, due to people trying to optimize their designs, but its not dependent on it. You sort of said that with "shortening the rotation" but you contradicted yourself by tying that to the number of lugs.

Id say its basically only the angle of rotation all else being equal. You can make a heavy lift 60° two lug if you so choose. Or how about the 9 lug actions or single lug actions? How heavy the lift is depends on the amount of work being done and the area over which it is spread rather than strictly the *number* of lugs.


But all of that has nothing to do with this thread

I want to know how much it costs. If it really does hold prefit bolt and barrel tolerances then hopefully it comes out to less than an origin build in order to successfully take the top factory manufacturer spot back like it had for so long.