Remington 700 SPS Tactical AAC-SD or Savage 10 FCP-K ?

[mynamesbryan]

Hey guys, Ive been doing a ton of research over the last few weeks and before today i was set on buying the 700 AAC-SD as my first .308 bolt action. I went to my local Turner's where i was introduced to the Savage 10 FCP-K and now im unsure once again which rifle i should buy. i have some experience and i would like to eveuntually get into longer range shooting, and the closest long range to me has a 600 yard range.

So far from what ive read:
Both have 1/10 twist rifled barrels Remington - 20" Savage 24" Fluted
Both have threaded ends on the barrels, Savage includes a muzzle brake
Remington 700 has the preferred near flawless action
Savage has the preferred out of the box trigger (accu-trigger)
Remington has the hogue overmolded stock which isnt very popular, but the savage has the accu-stock which they claim is freefloating out of the box
Savage includes an oversized ball action handle (which i would eventually want on the remington)
Savage includes a 4+1 round mag and remington does not.

Long term i will most likely replace the stock on whichever gun i buy, im just looking for an opinion on which gun would be best out of the box for someone new.

ive read claims that the 24" barrel is unnecessary for a .308 under 1000 yards and that the remingtons 20" barrel is fine. i would just like you guys to shed some light on whether or not that is a true statement, and any personal experiences with these two rifles, good, bad anything. and ultimately which rifle i should end up choosing! Thanks guys can wait to hear some feedback.

 

[HOGTOOTH5R]

Hey Bro, Welcome! But to be honest with you, I don't know how much "Research" you've done on this site but you're pretty much beating a Dead Horse here. It's the same'o Ford vs Chevy argument. There's just not going to be a straight forward answer to your question.

Honestly Both rifles are good for the Money. Remington will have more after market support and Savage has some very accurate factory rifle reputations (So Does Remington) but the AAC-SD line seems to have Mixed Reviews. Check out the Budget precision vid post on youtube by our LoneWolfUSMC here on the hide. He didn't have much of good luck with his AAC. All in all, I'd probably consider the Remington 5R Milspec instead if you're set on just Remington or Savage Rifles...

Hope this at least get you started. I'm sure others will come along and shed some light too. Good Luck, both will serve you well as a starter rifle.

Cheers

HOG.

 

[thrusty]

I have an AAC-SD and I'm a fan of Remington in general. Like HOGTOOTH5R posted, going Remington will provide for more 3 party parts....however, both manufactures offer good products.

I would personally go Remington AAC-SD for your first bolt-gun. It is easy to find parts for, it's threaded and has a cheap ass stock......the cheap stock is actually a good thing for most of us as it's probably the second thing that gets swapped out (after the trigger). Mine shoots good in the McMillan A5 and Timney trigger.

 

[Truth223]

I shot my new aac build today for the first time. Took awhile to get sighted in but after a few rounds it was shooting .75 in groups at 100 yards and I'm a horrible shot. After I get a timney trigger and work up a load I'm sire .50 groups or better are possible.

 

[BoilerUP]

I'd personally skip the FCP-K in favor of the less expensive FP-SR.

Also, if there's one nearby and you're not boycotting over the Troy AR15 fiasco, Dick's Sporting Goods carries an exclusive model called the 11VT; it basically is a 24" 10FP (nonthreaded) with DBM, Accutrigger, and without the Accustock. With a Bushnell 4-12x40 scope/rings/base rounding out the package, it normally lists for $599.

 

[mynamesbryan]

Hey HOGTOOTH5R, yeh i figured i was going to get a response like that. the savage 10s are really similar to the rem 700s, and i was following the budget precision build by lonewolf a while back but i am not caught up on anything recent he's posted. sounds like hes having some issues from what you say? so ill have to check that out. as far as the Remington 5r milspec that one might be a little outside my spending limit, i still want to spend a good amount on the sights.

BoilerUP how come you would choose the FP over the FCP?

 

[BoilerUP]

BoilerUP how come you would choose the FP over the FCP?

Price point & value.

 

[MosesTheTank]

I have the AAC SD and am here to repeat what everyone else has said about the Hogue stock, it sucks. The LoneWolfUSMC video demonstrates what the effect of putting the B&C M40 on the rifle does for accuracy. I threw the Hogue away and put on a Manners T3 with the DBM system (actually, Accurate Ordnance did it). One thing that will happen over time, and the more you read over the Hide is you will want to make upgrades. This is very easy to do with the AAC. And I would start with the stock. It's already threaded so get a good muzzle brake, maybe one that will support the suppressor you will soon be forced to buy. A bolt knob is in your future for sure, and you will have the choice of several as you read on. I love my AAC and highly recommend it. A rewarding aspect of modifying the gun like this is that it becomes uniquely yours.

 

[vegasjeepguy]

I bought my first bolt gun in October and went with the 700 AAC SD and added a Vortex Viper PST 4-16x, Nightforce mount and rings and a Harris bipod. I then swapped out the stock with a McMillan M40 style and Duracoated with flat dark earth. I was getting good accuracy with the Hogue stock but really tightened thing up with the McMillan.

 

[fdkay]

For just over the price of the AAC with the crappy hogue stock you can buy a Howa 20" heavy barrel and buy a B&C stock for it (a little over 500 for the rifle plus 230 or so for the stock).
You will get a rifle with a superior one piece bolt and an excellent, easily adjusted factory trigger.

 

[m6z]

For just over the price of the AAC with the crappy hogue stock you can buy a Howa 20" heavy barrel and buy a B&C stock for it (a little over 500 for the rifle plus 230 or so for the stock).
You will get a rifle with a superior one piece bolt and an excellent, easily adjusted factory trigger.

+1 I've also read some good things about the Howa. Great bang for your buck.

 

[reeljob]

I own both Savage and Remington and both rifles will fit the bill. IMO buy the one that fits you best and enjoy it. If you decide on the ACC you will need to upgrade the stock to see the rifles full potential and the Savage is is ready to go. Buying a rifle is like picking a wife, opinions vary from guy to guy it is you that lives with your decision. Either rifle will provide enjoyable range sessions. Spring time is almost hear, pick one and go shoot!!
Good luck!!

 

[Papa Zero Three]

I have no issues with my AAC-SD. After doing some research I went with this model for some of the same reasons already mentioned. I knew the stock was crap going into it but all I really wanted was the barreled action. As soon as I got it I dropped the action into a KRG W3 chassis, added the KRG bolt knob, base, Griffen rings and Vortex glass. Treated the whole thing with FireClean lubricant/cleaner and took it to the range, no complaints to date. The only thing I plan on changing out on it is the barrel once it needs changing as I have a M-24 replacement barrel sitting in the safe that I picked up cheap some time back.

So as long as you know the hogue stock sucks and plan on getting another stock/chassis as part of your assembly, then it is a good choice to use as a base to assemble your desired gun.




ETA: Just came across this from APO, they use the AAC-SD in their chassis as a package deal for $2912.25. I assembled the complete rifle above for less FYI.

"APO’s small caliber S.E.F.R. Sporter rifle package is the Remington M700 SPS Tactical 20” .308Win AAC®-SD® featuring a 1-10 twist barrel factory 5/8x24 threaded muzzle (muzzle brake/suppressor ready), and a tuned 3.5lb trigger in the new Composite Series “Sporter” modular rifle chassis. "

 

[mynamesbryan]

Those are some beautiful rifles! i especially appreciate your analogy Reeljob haha. thanks for all your input along with the info and names of the new stocks you swapped on your guns. i guess i just have one last question and its, is at all worth the extra money to buy a rifle with a fluted barrel?

 

[medium rare]

I would get a savage but I would find one without an accustock. It is harder to find a replacement stock for the accustock. Savage is pumping out rifles with great accuracy and when you decide to upgrade barrels you can swap them your self and save some money.

 

[mynamesbryan]

I would get a savage but I would find one without an accustock. It is harder to find a replacement stock for the accustock. Savage is pumping out rifles with great accuracy and when you decide to upgrade barrels you can swap them your self and save some money.

are the action bolts different on the accustock vs the stock from the 10FP?

 

[3-0-hate]

Either will suit your immediate and future needs. I personally went Remington, due to aftermarket support and chassis options. Savage has the capability to swap barrels in a cinch.

That being said, my next rifle will likely be a Tikka..

And if you dont mind me asking, where are you located?

 

[reeljob]

Those are some beautiful rifles! i especially appreciate your analogy Reeljob haha. thanks for all your input along with the info and names of the new stocks you swapped on your guns. i guess i just have one last question and its, is at all worth the extra money to buy a rifle with a fluted barrel?

I guess I need to clarify, I have a three savages and three Remmys and one is the ACC-SD. I never fired the first round before changing the stock. I put it in a take off 5R HS that I was saving from the McRee chassis swap I did on the 5R. The rifle shoots 175 SMKs like a laser at 2610 fps from the 20" barrel. My savage rifles all shoot sub MOA as well. I can honestly say that every Savage I have owned shot great out of the box and I can not say the same for every Remington I have owned. I do however prefer the Remington over Savage due to the availability of parts to upgrade. Savage is gaining ground in aftermarket options and I do enjoy swapping barrels at will with minimal tools. But like I stated its your decision, you cant go wrong either way both are great rifles. I do agree with Medium rare that the accustock limits your options on a replacement if you ever decided to upgrade.
I have been much better off finding savage 4.40 actions and building from the ground up my way. You can take a look around on Savage Shooters website and give Jim Briggs a call at Northland and he will assist you going in that direction. The Stevens 200 action and a CBI barrel with a BC stock will get you off and running at decent cost. You will get a great since of accomplishment knowing you put it all together.

 

[anthonylapoint]

Both are good rifles. Here is my thought though. You buy either one, you are going to replace the stock and/or trigger and maybe even the barrel. I have a buddy out on the look right now as well and I told him the same thing, buy a crappy used rifle and save your money. An Er shaw barrel on midway costs $140 and for a savage, you can buy multiple barrels and swap them as you wish. Remington is slightly ahead in available nice stocks and shit. You can buy any stock you want for a remmy but not for a savage.

All I'm saying, if you're going to spend all that money on new parts, don't buy new. I paid $750 on my savage and dumped a lot of money into it. Yeah, it shoots like a bastard but should have saved $200-300 at least and bought a used one. All I really had to do though was switch the barrel and it shoots 1/4" groups any day of the week. The floating bolt head makes it REAL easy to make any savage damn accurate.

Here's a budget build. Used action from savage or remington around $450. Savage will not need a trigger, remmy will. Er shaw barrel with wrench, $200. New stock, get it used off here for $175 like I did for both my savage and remmy. Savage won't need gunsmith ing, remmy will though. Savage will cost roughly $925. Remington will need another $100 for Timney and 2-300 in gunsmithing. The savage will be cheaper, but the remington will feel more of a polished rifle.

If you buy new, you're looking at $7-800 right now already because of the gun scare. Sell the stock and get $100 if you're lucky. Used stock, $175. You're already at the same price and you don't even have a good after market barrel yet.

This is just rough estimates too. All can and will vary for better or worse.

Just saying. Take it for a grain of salt. I wouldn't ever buy new again. I'd just buy actions and build what I want.

 

[Papa Zero Three]

Both are good rifles. Here is my thought though. You buy either one, you are going to replace the stock and/or trigger and maybe even the barrel. I have a buddy out on the look right now as well and I told him the same thing, buy a crappy used rifle and save your money. An Er shaw barrel on midway costs $140 and for a savage, you can buy multiple barrels and swap them as you wish. Remington is slightly ahead in available nice stocks and shit. You can buy any stock you want for a remmy but not for a savage.

All I'm saying, if you're going to spend all that money on new parts, don't buy new. I paid $750 on my savage and dumped a lot of money into it. Yeah, it shoots like a bastard but should have saved $200-300 at least and bought a used one. All I really had to do though was switch the barrel and it shoots 1/4" groups any day of the week. The floating bolt head makes it REAL easy to make any savage damn accurate.

Here's a budget build. Used action from savage or remington around $450. Savage will not need a trigger, remmy will. Er shaw barrel with wrench, $200. New stock, get it used off here for $175 like I did for both my savage and remmy. Savage won't need gunsmith ing, remmy will though. Savage will cost roughly $925. Remington will need another $100 for Timney and 2-300 in gunsmithing. The savage will be cheaper, but the remington will feel more of a polished rifle.

If you buy new, you're looking at $7-800 right now already because of the gun scare. Sell the stock and get $100 if you're lucky. Used stock, $175. You're already at the same price and you don't even have a good after market barrel yet.

This is just rough estimates too. All can and will vary for better or worse.

Just saying. Take it for a grain of salt. I wouldn't ever buy new again. I'd just buy actions and build what I want.

Not bad advice at all and I'm inclined to agree with you. However, trying to source used actions and all the pieces/parts is hit and miss and in my experience, has only resulted in a few dollars less than new. Case in point, a used 700 action, if you can find one will run as you said, about $450 and up, A new action by itself runs around $475-500 , a new AAC-SD runs around $550 and up and up depending on where you source it. So unless you come across some really good deals and the stars are all in alignment you are looking at a difference in the neighborhood of about +/- 100.00 for a new or used action by itself, minus trigger, barrel and gunsmithing fees or you can get a brand new barreled action with trigger for the same or slightly more money right now and it's ready to be dropped in and used right now. If you add in the gunsmithing fees, the price for trigger and barrel you're probably looking at more money than just buying new when all is said and done. Of course if you aren't in a hurry and can wait, you can buy the pieces as they come up in good deals but most people want to have something now or close to now as possible.

This has been my experience in looking at buying used and piecing together as you described, doing as I described with my assembly and and even going with a custom build. In the end, I was able to get what I wanted, pretty much when I wanted and at a decent final price/cost.

 

[HOGTOOTH5R]

Hey HOGTOOTH5R, yeh i figured i was going to get a response like that. the savage 10s are really similar to the rem 700s, and i was following the budget precision build by lonewolf a while back but i am not caught up on anything recent he's posted. sounds like hes having some issues from what you say? so ill have to check that out. as far as the Remington 5r milspec that one might be a little outside my spending limit, i still want to spend a good amount on the sights.

BoilerUP how come you would choose the FP over the FCP?

Hey No problems bro. Yea I don't think LoneWolf ever updated any further on the AAC Build after the Pt4 with the B&C M40 Stock upgrade. But from that last video it still didn't seem like his gun was shooting well.

Now as far as feedback goes, as you can see it's still pretty Mixed. Some great results from both sides of the spectrum. Now if you're interested in upgrading parts right off the Bat (Like most will do). I'd go with a Remington Product. You just can't beat the amount of aftermarket support it has. Now if you're going to buy it then shoot it for a while to get a feel of this Hobby then Savage will hold of over for a while with the AccuStock and AccuTrigger.

However just to make things a bit interested and as mentioned by one of the previously posted. I would give some Serious Consideration to a Tikka T3 Scout 20"inch .308. If you're lucky, you can still find one at a Cabelas.

It has probably one of the Smoothest and Nicest Action and Triggers I've ever felt on a Factory Rifle in that price Range ($600-$700). The trigger if fully adjustable, comes with factory drop bottom magazine, and It also have the AR style Claw Extractor and Side Bolt Release (Yes, people pay for these upgrades on a Remington).

The Barrel it has are the SAME Barrels used on the SAKO TRG22 Rifles and it Shoots Light Out. I believe of all the factory Bolt Guns I've purchased over the years NONE can Touch the Value and Performance of a Tikka. Bar None.

Just my 2cents.

Cheers.

HOG.

 

[anthonylapoint]

Not bad advice at all and I'm inclined to agree with you. However, trying to source used actions and all the pieces/parts is hit and miss and in my experience, has only resulted in a few dollars less than new. Case in point, a used 700 action, if you can find one will run as you said, about $450 and up, A new action by itself runs around $475-500 , a new AAC-SD runs around $550 and up and up depending on where you source it. So unless you come across some really good deals and the stars are all in alignment you are looking at a difference in the neighborhood of about +/- 100.00 for a new or used action by itself, minus trigger, barrel and gunsmithing fees or you can get a brand new barreled action with trigger for the same or slightly more money right now and it's ready to be dropped in and used right now. If you add in the gunsmithing fees, the price for trigger and barrel you're probably looking at more money than just buying new when all is said and done. Of course if you aren't in a hurry and can wait, you can buy the pieces as they come up in good deals but most people want to have something now or close to now as possible.

This has been my experience in looking at buying used and piecing together as you described, doing as I described with my assembly and and even going with a custom build. In the end, I was able to get what I wanted, pretty much when I wanted and at a decent final price/cost.

You're right papa zero three, in the end a used gun with dropped in parts will cost more if you aren't replacing parts on a good new rifle. Plenty of ways to skin a cat. In the end, its easy to get caught up in the hype of fancy parts and miss why we are here on this forum and that's to shoot and learn.

 

[mynamesbryan]

Thanks for all the input guys! learned a lot reading what you all had to say. Ill let you all know what i end up getting just in case anyone is still curious by then. And in answer to SVTHUH i'm located in Southern California so unfortunately no suppressor for me..

 

[arbogb06]

Good info on here. I was debating on a new 700 AAC and Sav 10 and this is very helpful.

 

[mynamesbryan]

nice! glad my topic could help some others out. what do you think you're gunna go with?

 

[3-0-hate]

Thanks for all the input guys! learned a lot reading what you all had to say. Ill let you all know what i end up getting just in case anyone is still curious by then. And in answer to SVTHUH i'm located in Southern California so unfortunately no suppressor for me..

I kinda guessed as much, and I'm also guessing that the range you were referring to is Angeles?

I'm in Torrance, so if you ever wanna meetup and sling lead, just shoot me a PM. I also belong to a private range that's located just north of Castaic that offers a 1000 yard range if you really want to stretch the legs of whichever rifle you decide.

 

[mynamesbryan]

I kinda guessed as much, and I'm also guessing that the range you were referring to is Angeles?

I'm in Torrance, so if you ever wanna meetup and sling lead, just shoot me a PM. I also belong to a private range that's located just north of Castaic that offers a 1000 yard range if you really want to stretch the legs of whichever rifle you decide.

ohh! 1000yards sounds awesome! yeah once i get everything setup ill try to make it out there sometime!