any good gunsmiths out there that wont charge an arm and leg? 300 bucks for an hour of work really???
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Re: rethreading and chambering a barrel
Do a search in the rifles section or here. If you look through the forums you will also see some companies that participate on the Hide.
BTW:
You get what you pay for and this is in no way a cheap sport- Go with a reputable smith - Buy once or cry twice.
Depending on what you need done including removal and reinstall $300 is not that far out of the pricing.
http://www.louisianaprecisionrifles.com/Prices.aspx
Hope this helps,
John~
Do a search in the rifles section or here. If you look through the forums you will also see some companies that participate on the Hide.
BTW:
You get what you pay for and this is in no way a cheap sport- Go with a reputable smith - Buy once or cry twice.
Depending on what you need done including removal and reinstall $300 is not that far out of the pricing.
http://www.louisianaprecisionrifles.com/Prices.aspx
Hope this helps,
John~
Re: rethreading and chambering a barrel
What makes you think it's only an hour’s work? Exactly what do you need done? $200 and up is the going rate for chambering and installing a barrel.
What makes you think it's only an hour’s work? Exactly what do you need done? $200 and up is the going rate for chambering and installing a barrel.
Re: rethreading and chambering a barrel
re-threading and chambering a barrel, an hours work
edit: the more i think about it, maybe you should invest in all the machinery, tooling, shop space, power bills, and other business expenses that it takes to be able to fit a barrel. that way you can charge what you feel is a fair price to do such work.
re-threading and chambering a barrel, an hours work
edit: the more i think about it, maybe you should invest in all the machinery, tooling, shop space, power bills, and other business expenses that it takes to be able to fit a barrel. that way you can charge what you feel is a fair price to do such work.
Re: rethreading and chambering a barrel
im not saying your time and investment isnt worth it, im just not building an f-class rifle. This is far from saying you time isnt worth that much nor you investment. i do respect what you th fact you have at a minimum of 5 grand wrapped up in tools [from the looks of your setup 300 atleast 10k], im just looking more in the $200 range. 1 hour was a abit of a stretch more toward 4-5 depending on your proficiency
Your talking to a person that has a year of training as a machinist, and a year on the job [making gun drills, and reamers]
my project is a truck gun basically, i have a mauser action, i need it trued. Then i have a r700 barrel i need the threads turned down, and rethreaded and chambered for a small ring [turk]mauser. All in all a few hours work not a hard task.
im not saying your time and investment isnt worth it, im just not building an f-class rifle. This is far from saying you time isnt worth that much nor you investment. i do respect what you th fact you have at a minimum of 5 grand wrapped up in tools [from the looks of your setup 300 atleast 10k], im just looking more in the $200 range. 1 hour was a abit of a stretch more toward 4-5 depending on your proficiency
Your talking to a person that has a year of training as a machinist, and a year on the job [making gun drills, and reamers]
my project is a truck gun basically, i have a mauser action, i need it trued. Then i have a r700 barrel i need the threads turned down, and rethreaded and chambered for a small ring [turk]mauser. All in all a few hours work not a hard task.
Re: rethreading and chambering a barrel
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: huntingohio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">im not saying your time and investment isnt worth it, im just not building an f-class rifle. This is far from saying you time isnt worth that much nor you investment. i do respect what you th fact you have at a minimum of 5 grand wrapped up in tools [from the looks of your setup 300 atleast 10k], im just looking more in the $200 range. 1 hour was a abit of a stretch more toward 4-5 depending on your proficiency
Your talking to a person that has a year of training as a machinist, and a year on the job [making gun drills, and reamers]
my project is a truck gun basically, i have a mauser action, i need it trued. Then i have a r700 barrel i need the threads turned down, and rethreaded and chambered for a small ring [turk]mauser. All in all a few hours work not a hard task. </div></div>
True action $125 +
Thread and chamber barrel $200 + if you can find someone to re-cut a chamber in a barrel with an existing chamber to begin with without removing the threaded shank and starting again. Some smith, including myself, won't cut a different caliber chamber into an already chambered barrel, especially into a factory barrel. If it's a factory Remington 700 barrel if you remove the shank you won't have enough barrel left in the chamber area to even cut a new chamber. You're better off getting a blank and starting new.
You’re going to be hard pressed to find someone to true and re-chamber a factory barrel for $200, all that work on a factory barrel is just not worth it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: huntingohio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">im not saying your time and investment isnt worth it, im just not building an f-class rifle. This is far from saying you time isnt worth that much nor you investment. i do respect what you th fact you have at a minimum of 5 grand wrapped up in tools [from the looks of your setup 300 atleast 10k], im just looking more in the $200 range. 1 hour was a abit of a stretch more toward 4-5 depending on your proficiency
Your talking to a person that has a year of training as a machinist, and a year on the job [making gun drills, and reamers]
my project is a truck gun basically, i have a mauser action, i need it trued. Then i have a r700 barrel i need the threads turned down, and rethreaded and chambered for a small ring [turk]mauser. All in all a few hours work not a hard task. </div></div>
True action $125 +
Thread and chamber barrel $200 + if you can find someone to re-cut a chamber in a barrel with an existing chamber to begin with without removing the threaded shank and starting again. Some smith, including myself, won't cut a different caliber chamber into an already chambered barrel, especially into a factory barrel. If it's a factory Remington 700 barrel if you remove the shank you won't have enough barrel left in the chamber area to even cut a new chamber. You're better off getting a blank and starting new.
You’re going to be hard pressed to find someone to true and re-chamber a factory barrel for $200, all that work on a factory barrel is just not worth it.
Re: rethreading and chambering a barrel
I know a retired Navy dentist that is a shooter. He said to me one day (regarding teeth, not a barrel) after I spent 3.5 hours in the chair getting two crowns fitted: "There are two types of crowns - perfect and unacceptable."
The machinists I know have the same view of the world, both gunsmiths and other types of machinists. If you want a sloppy hack "smith" that does not care about maintaining tolerances and dimensions or is not capable of it, they are easy to find. Just start calling "smiths" and find the one with the shortest turnaround and lowest price on your job. Also ones that don't have an FFL are often good as well for hack work. These will be good indicators that their work will line up with your (low) expectations. We have one such hack locally that would love to get his hands on your rifle - let me know if you want his contact info.
Another option is just switch to Savage and start plumbing them yourself with pre-threaded barrels and tools from Midway.
I know a retired Navy dentist that is a shooter. He said to me one day (regarding teeth, not a barrel) after I spent 3.5 hours in the chair getting two crowns fitted: "There are two types of crowns - perfect and unacceptable."
The machinists I know have the same view of the world, both gunsmiths and other types of machinists. If you want a sloppy hack "smith" that does not care about maintaining tolerances and dimensions or is not capable of it, they are easy to find. Just start calling "smiths" and find the one with the shortest turnaround and lowest price on your job. Also ones that don't have an FFL are often good as well for hack work. These will be good indicators that their work will line up with your (low) expectations. We have one such hack locally that would love to get his hands on your rifle - let me know if you want his contact info.
Another option is just switch to Savage and start plumbing them yourself with pre-threaded barrels and tools from Midway.
Re: rethreading and chambering a barrel
Maybe you need to go to a gun show and pick up a decent used piece. Next spring after all the hunts are over for rifle, there is usually a good selection available. Some maybe at a decent price.
Maybe you need to go to a gun show and pick up a decent used piece. Next spring after all the hunts are over for rifle, there is usually a good selection available. Some maybe at a decent price.
Re: rethreading and chambering a barrel
I didn't EXACTLY mean the above statement to sound mean in any way. But some of the rifles shown here cost several THOUSAND dollars. I would like to have a new truck for $300 too. But my old '92 Ramcharger works fine & that's about all I can afford.
I didn't EXACTLY mean the above statement to sound mean in any way. But some of the rifles shown here cost several THOUSAND dollars. I would like to have a new truck for $300 too. But my old '92 Ramcharger works fine & that's about all I can afford.
Re: rethreading and chambering a barrel
When it comes to machine work...
perfect, fast and cheap...pick TWO
When it comes to machine work...
perfect, fast and cheap...pick TWO
Re: rethreading and chambering a barrel
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Series 70 Colt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When it comes to machine work...
perfect, fast and cheap...pick TWO
</div></div>
Hi James. Good to see you on here. Take care.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Series 70 Colt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When it comes to machine work...
perfect, fast and cheap...pick TWO
</div></div>
Hi James. Good to see you on here. Take care.
Re: rethreading and chambering a barrel
i found a lathe to use, im just going to rent a reamer and headspace gauges.
im makeing my own mandrel to true the action [ on a mauser action this is just simply facing off the front of the reciver]
ive made my bolt lapping tool from an old barrel shank and a bolt
and on the barrel you do not have completly take the chamber off, you turn down the OD where the threads are, the same as you would if you were cutting new threads in a blank. You even have to take a few more thou of whats left after you turn down the threads to get the right od to start the SMALL SHANK mauser threads.
the reamer is to make sure that it head spaces right not to rechamber
problem has been resolved
if i do end up building an f-class w/ a modern action i wil be sure to hit one of the hide members up GA precisions work looks amazing
i found a lathe to use, im just going to rent a reamer and headspace gauges.
im makeing my own mandrel to true the action [ on a mauser action this is just simply facing off the front of the reciver]
ive made my bolt lapping tool from an old barrel shank and a bolt
and on the barrel you do not have completly take the chamber off, you turn down the OD where the threads are, the same as you would if you were cutting new threads in a blank. You even have to take a few more thou of whats left after you turn down the threads to get the right od to start the SMALL SHANK mauser threads.
the reamer is to make sure that it head spaces right not to rechamber
problem has been resolved
if i do end up building an f-class w/ a modern action i wil be sure to hit one of the hide members up GA precisions work looks amazing
Re: rethreading and chambering a barrel
WHAT HATECA SAYS IS RIGHT ON!!!! Cheap is Cheap Right is RIGHT
"I will do it with my DREMEL TOOL" HA HA
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HateCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: huntingohio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">im not saying your time and investment isnt worth it, im just not building an f-class rifle. This is far from saying you time isnt worth that much nor you investment. i do respect what you th fact you have at a minimum of 5 grand wrapped up in tools [from the looks of your setup 300 atleast 10k], im just looking more in the $200 range. 1 hour was a abit of a stretch more toward 4-5 depending on your proficiency
Your talking to a person that has a year of training as a machinist, and a year on the job [making gun drills, and reamers]
my project is a truck gun basically, i have a mauser action, i need it trued. Then i have a r700 barrel i need the threads turned down, and rethreaded and chambered for a small ring [turk]mauser. All in all a few hours work not a hard task. </div></div>
True action $125 +
Thread and chamber barrel $200 + if you can find someone to re-cut a chamber in a barrel with an existing chamber to begin with without removing the threaded shank and starting again. Some smith, including myself, won't cut a different caliber chamber into an already chambered barrel, especially into a factory barrel. If it's a factory Remington 700 barrel if you remove the shank you won't have enough barrel left in the chamber area to even cut a new chamber. You're better off getting a blank and starting new.
You’re going to be hard pressed to find someone to true and re-chamber a factory barrel for $200, all that work on a factory barrel is just not worth it.
</div></div>
WHAT HATECA SAYS IS RIGHT ON!!!! Cheap is Cheap Right is RIGHT
"I will do it with my DREMEL TOOL" HA HA
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HateCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: huntingohio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">im not saying your time and investment isnt worth it, im just not building an f-class rifle. This is far from saying you time isnt worth that much nor you investment. i do respect what you th fact you have at a minimum of 5 grand wrapped up in tools [from the looks of your setup 300 atleast 10k], im just looking more in the $200 range. 1 hour was a abit of a stretch more toward 4-5 depending on your proficiency
Your talking to a person that has a year of training as a machinist, and a year on the job [making gun drills, and reamers]
my project is a truck gun basically, i have a mauser action, i need it trued. Then i have a r700 barrel i need the threads turned down, and rethreaded and chambered for a small ring [turk]mauser. All in all a few hours work not a hard task. </div></div>
True action $125 +
Thread and chamber barrel $200 + if you can find someone to re-cut a chamber in a barrel with an existing chamber to begin with without removing the threaded shank and starting again. Some smith, including myself, won't cut a different caliber chamber into an already chambered barrel, especially into a factory barrel. If it's a factory Remington 700 barrel if you remove the shank you won't have enough barrel left in the chamber area to even cut a new chamber. You're better off getting a blank and starting new.
You’re going to be hard pressed to find someone to true and re-chamber a factory barrel for $200, all that work on a factory barrel is just not worth it.
</div></div>
Re: rethreading and chambering a barrel
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: huntingohio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i found a lathe to use, im just going to rent a reamer and headspace gauges.
im makeing my own mandrel to true the action [ on a mauser action this is just simply facing off the front of the reciver]
ive made my bolt lapping tool from an old barrel shank and a bolt
and on the barrel you do not have completly take the chamber off, you turn down the OD where the threads are, the same as you would if you were cutting new threads in a blank. You even have to take a few more thou of whats left after you turn down the threads to get the right od to start the SMALL SHANK mauser threads.
the reamer is to make sure that it head spaces right not to rechamber
problem has been resolved
if i do end up building an f-class w/ a modern action i wil be sure to hit one of the hide members up GA precisions work looks amazing </div></div>
You'll need more then a lathe to do this right.
Be sure to check for run-out in that factory chamber before you try and cut new threads or you're going to have big problems, and since a factory chamber is almost never correct this is easier said then done. To do this right you will need an indicator rod that is used to dial in pre-chambered barrels or this to could cause you issues as well.
One other thing, since Remington chambers are formed during the hammer forging of the barrel, Remington chambers are not cut, if this is a magnum caliber it is also a good bet that the work hardened barrel chamber will have been work hardened so much that a reamer will barely touch it to even correct headspace.
Good luck.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: huntingohio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i found a lathe to use, im just going to rent a reamer and headspace gauges.
im makeing my own mandrel to true the action [ on a mauser action this is just simply facing off the front of the reciver]
ive made my bolt lapping tool from an old barrel shank and a bolt
and on the barrel you do not have completly take the chamber off, you turn down the OD where the threads are, the same as you would if you were cutting new threads in a blank. You even have to take a few more thou of whats left after you turn down the threads to get the right od to start the SMALL SHANK mauser threads.
the reamer is to make sure that it head spaces right not to rechamber
problem has been resolved
if i do end up building an f-class w/ a modern action i wil be sure to hit one of the hide members up GA precisions work looks amazing </div></div>
You'll need more then a lathe to do this right.
Be sure to check for run-out in that factory chamber before you try and cut new threads or you're going to have big problems, and since a factory chamber is almost never correct this is easier said then done. To do this right you will need an indicator rod that is used to dial in pre-chambered barrels or this to could cause you issues as well.
One other thing, since Remington chambers are formed during the hammer forging of the barrel, Remington chambers are not cut, if this is a magnum caliber it is also a good bet that the work hardened barrel chamber will have been work hardened so much that a reamer will barely touch it to even correct headspace.
Good luck.
Re: rethreading and chambering a barrel
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: huntingohio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i found a lathe to use, im just going to rent a reamer and headspace gauges.
im makeing my own mandrel to true the action [ on a mauser action this is just simply facing off the front of the reciver]
ive made my bolt lapping tool from an old barrel shank and a bolt
and on the barrel you do not have completly take the chamber off, you turn down the OD where the threads are, the same as you would if you were cutting new threads in a blank. You even have to take a few more thou of whats left after you turn down the threads to get the right od to start the SMALL SHANK mauser threads.
the reamer is to make sure that it head spaces right not to rechamber
problem has been resolved
if i do end up building an f-class w/ a modern action i wil be sure to hit one of the hide members up GA precisions work looks amazing </div></div>
glad you can do it your self. let us know how it turns out. also, be sure to post up how many hours you have into it when you are done with the lathe work. i didn't mean to be a dick with my earlier post but i think you grossly underestimated the time involved in setting up a barrel correctly in the lathe.
one more thing that comes to mind if the majority of the remington chamber is forged, when you turn down the shank and cut new threads, i wonder how much the chamber diameter will open up.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: huntingohio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i found a lathe to use, im just going to rent a reamer and headspace gauges.
im makeing my own mandrel to true the action [ on a mauser action this is just simply facing off the front of the reciver]
ive made my bolt lapping tool from an old barrel shank and a bolt
and on the barrel you do not have completly take the chamber off, you turn down the OD where the threads are, the same as you would if you were cutting new threads in a blank. You even have to take a few more thou of whats left after you turn down the threads to get the right od to start the SMALL SHANK mauser threads.
the reamer is to make sure that it head spaces right not to rechamber
problem has been resolved
if i do end up building an f-class w/ a modern action i wil be sure to hit one of the hide members up GA precisions work looks amazing </div></div>
glad you can do it your self. let us know how it turns out. also, be sure to post up how many hours you have into it when you are done with the lathe work. i didn't mean to be a dick with my earlier post but i think you grossly underestimated the time involved in setting up a barrel correctly in the lathe.
one more thing that comes to mind if the majority of the remington chamber is forged, when you turn down the shank and cut new threads, i wonder how much the chamber diameter will open up.
Re: rethreading and chambering a barrel
300 - working off a latent synapse firing somewhere in my random access memory, but I seem to remember that if you start removing metal from a hammer forged barrel, the stresses from the forging process actually cause the bore or, in this case the chamber, to constrict rather than expand. It is the opposite of a button-rifled barrel which can open-up or expand when metal is removed from the outside.
Of course we are talking thousandths or smaller.
300 - working off a latent synapse firing somewhere in my random access memory, but I seem to remember that if you start removing metal from a hammer forged barrel, the stresses from the forging process actually cause the bore or, in this case the chamber, to constrict rather than expand. It is the opposite of a button-rifled barrel which can open-up or expand when metal is removed from the outside.
Of course we are talking thousandths or smaller.
