Right bolt left port repeaters

[Gil P.]

Why don't we see these in tactical rifles?

What are the downsides? The major benefit would be being able to see the rounds chamber, and maybe it would be easier to reach in the ejection port to address malfunctions.

 

[Supersubes]

For a rifle you actually have to hold and manipulate, left port sucks! A bag riding bench gun on the other hand is fine because you’re simultaneously dropping rounds in with the left hand, and manipulating the bolt and trigger with the right. We dont do this with mag fed field rifles.

 

[Gil P.]

For a rifle you actually have to hold and manipulate, left port sucks! A bag riding bench gun on the other hand is fine because you’re simultaneously dropping rounds in with the left hand, and manipulating the bolt and trigger with the left. We dont do this with mag fed field rifles.

I get the use for bench rest but I'm trying to wrap my head around why it would suck on a tactical rifle. The brass might hit you? But my brass ejects away from me.

 

[Supersubes]

Funny you say that, not brass, but gas and shrapnel will hit you when you have a case rupture. This is why ports are always away from the face, with just a handful of exceptions.

 

[Gil P.]

Funny you say that, not brass, but gas and shrapnel will hit you when you have a case rupture. This is why ports are always away from the face, with just a handful of exceptions.

Ive thought about that too. Have you seen any documented of a case rupture? I'm interested to see what happened to the shooter.

I saw the video of the guys 50 cal that blew up, but they was an exceptional circumstance that will probably never happen again.

 

[Gil P.]

Found one

Case Rupture

Hey folks, I hesitate to post this since I'm sure I'm going to get all sorts of responses of what I did wrong, should have done, didn't do, how stupid, etc., etc., etc. but it's worth it to me to post as a cautionary tale for other reloaders. I was shooting my 6 Creed yesterday. Load is 44.5...

www.snipershide.com

 

[ACard]

Found one

Case Rupture

Hey folks, I hesitate to post this since I'm sure I'm going to get all sorts of responses of what I did wrong, should have done, didn't do, how stupid, etc., etc., etc. but it's worth it to me to post as a cautionary tale for other reloaders. I was shooting my 6 Creed yesterday. Load is 44.5...

www.snipershide.com

That does not appear to be a right bolt left port action ad specifically mentioned in this thread but thanks for trying.

 

[Gil P.]

That does not appear to be a right bolt left port action ad specifically mentioned in this thread but thanks for trying.

Yes I know that. Thanks for being an asshole.

 

[Powder_Burns]

I think giving the support hand a separate task may be counter productive. I don’t really need to see into my ejection port, my fingers are my eyeballs for that.

 

[Forrest]

I'm right handed and only shoot left handed rifles right handed. It puts the bolt and port on the side where I can see what's going on. It's faster because you don't have to remove your trigger hand from the rifle. It wouldn't work if I was shooting, while standing. I wouldn't be able the hold the rifle up. It also wouldn't work if I wasn't shooting a chassis rifle without a pistol grip. The bolt would hit my right hand when cycling it with my left hand if I used a standard stock. I had never considered the safety aspect.

 

[Gil P.]

I think giving the support hand a separate task may be counter productive. I don’t really need to see into my ejection port, my fingers are my eyeballs for that.

Ive never had a pistol or rifle action that was so smooth I couldn't feel a round chamber either. I just think visual verification couldn't hurt, and it would be faster than feeling it with your fingers.

 

[b6graham]

Ive thought about that too. Have you seen any documented of a case rupture? I'm interested to see what happened to the shooter.

I saw the video of the guys 50 cal that blew up, but they was an exceptional circumstance that will probably never happen again.

Just posted a pic over in the 6BRA Alpha versus Lapua thread

Know a guy with 2 case ruptures caused by Alpha brass. Cause decent rifle damage both times

I shoot with a guy up here who shoots a right bolt left port savage in PRS. only one I've ever seen.

For me. I just dont see an advantage for positional shooting. I feel a cartridge loading and if there's an issue I'd rather use the same hand that comes off the gun anyways and leave my front hand in position to stay on target

 

[Supersubes]

Ive never had a pistol or rifle action that was so smooth I couldn't feel a round chamber either. I just think visual verification couldn't hurt, and it would be faster than feeling it with your fingers.

But if you were to find something that needed clearing, your options are to flop the rifle on its right side and clear with the right hand, or set the rifle down and clear with the left. Both seem poor ergonomically.

I just shoot an AI, and never worry about having to clear a malfunction

 

[Gil P.]

Just posted a pic over in the 6BRA Alpha versus Lapua thread

Know a guy with 2 case ruptures caused by Alpha brass. Cause decent rifle damage both times

I shoot with a guy up here who shoots a right bolt left port savage in PRS. only one I've ever seen.

For me. I just dont see an advantage for positional shooting. I feel a cartridge loading and if there's an issue I'd rather use the same hand that comes off the gun anyways and leave my front hand in position to stay on target

I'll check that thread. Out of curiosity, do you have a picture of what the gun did to the guys face?

 

[b6graham]

I'll check that thread. Out of curiosity, do you have a picture of what the gun did to the guys face?

Luckily. Nothing.

 

[Huskydriver]

But if you were to find something that needed clearing, your options are to flop the rifle on its right side and clear with the right hand, or set the rifle down and clear with the left. Both seem poor ergonomically.

I just shoot an AI, and never worry about having to clear a malfunction

You gotta use the meme when you drop it.....

 

[Vivacious Stallion]

With the original question being about tactical rifles I tend to think that this actually introduces a bunch of weird ergonomics issues for clearing/managing the weapon. You'd potentially need to be reaching over the scope to access the chamber and trading hands. Not to mention most of these tactical bolt action guns are fairly heavy too and would require your support hand to hold while you do whatever with your other hand. Seeing the chamber isn't really that important when the gun should simply be doing its job reliably in the first place, plus your attention should likely be better used elsewhere.

 

[Gil P.]

With the original question being about tactical rifles I tend to think that this actually introduces a bunch of weird ergonomics issues for clearing/managing the weapon. You'd potentially need to be reaching over the scope to access the chamber and trading hands. Not to mention most of these tactical bolt action guns are fairly heavy too and would require your support hand to hold while you do whatever with your other hand. Seeing the chamber isn't really that important when the gun should simply be doing its job reliably in the first place, plus your attention should likely be better used elsewhere.

I think that's a pretty good argument. Maybe I'm looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[Forward543]

I think the left port has no real advantage, where your hand is already on the bolt. I can feel/ hear a round being chambered. It would be nice to diagnose a failure, slightly faster.
Now to derail. Early in my reloading game, I did have a total case failure. It was my fault, as I was loading for a rifle that had a burr or some other chamber issue, and saw primers cratering/ extruding/ blowing out, and continued to load because I was way below manual charge weights. The case wall liquified and came out around the bolt head. It was a rem 700 so did have a safety breech. It shot gas and debris in my face, but most of it went out the magwell. I had to hammer the bolt out and Dremel the case head out of the bolt. I am glad that was not a left port rifle. Needless to say, I am much more particular in watching for signs of high pressure now.

 

[sgtsmmiii]

Love a single shot RB/LP bolt gun for shooting varmints from a bench. For shooting multiple rounds ( like PRS ) from a competition style rifle - I don't think it would work so well ( as Supersubes said ). Although a guy at the LGS built a LB / RP TL3 SBR .223 for his truck gun ( KRG W3 ) with a 12.5" barrel suppressed - held the grip with his right hand and worked the bolt with his left. Death on ground hogs from the driver seat. One of the coolest rifles I have ever seen.

 

[ACard]

Yes I know that. Thanks for being an asshole.

Gil, it amazes me that you feelings are so injured for that reply. You specifically asked about a RB LP action. Another member points out that he prefers the action to have all the steel on the left side for protection of his exposed face in case of a case rupture or other catastrophic failure. But that he has never seen a video of that. So you reply with a video of a failure in an action that is not what all this thread was even started about.... An action with the normal configuration RB RP....

This sort of overreaction and level of butt hurt is one of the major things wrong with society in todays day and age. If your feeling get hurt because someone points out that your own replies to a thread you started are not necessarily related to a question raised, I wish you all the best.