RimX vs Vodoo V-22 vs Tikka T1x ACE

[dzz]

I am trying to decide between RimX, Vodoo V-22 and new, soon to be released Tikka T1x ACE. I know Tikka hasn't been released, I have Tikka T1x 20" in MDT Oryx chassis (see the pic below) and it has been very accurate, so I am leaning towards Tikka T1x ACE. Is RimX or Vodoo give me better accuracy than Tikka ? What's the consensus of RimX vs Vodoo in terms of accuracy?
I am not planning to compete much, maybe some. This is more for benchrest shooting, plinking and similar activities.

 

[littlepod]

If you're just plinking and off the bench. The best thing you can do right now from your picture is shoot better ammo.

 

[littlepod]

And stop shooting suppressed.

 

[dzz]

And stop shooting suppressed.

what's wrong with shooting suppressed?

 

[D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷]

what's wrong with shooting suppressed?

As you shoot the mass of the can changes as it accumulates “stuff” and changes the harmonics of the system.

So I’ve been told.

 

[dzz]

As you shoot the mass of the can changes as it accumulates “stuff” and changes the harmonics of the system.

So I’ve been told.

I am not an expert on barrel harmonics, but in my experience shooting suppressed tightens the groups

 

[D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷]

I am not an expert on barrel harmonics, but in my experience shooting suppressed tightens the groups

I’m sure the guys who compete don’t use them for a reason.

 

[beetroot]

what's wrong with shooting suppressed?

All suppressors behave differently, but some are very sensitive to fouling and can cause huge changes in how bullets behave.
Some people claim to never clean a 22lr suppressor ever and it shoots just fine, but that's not been my experience.

I had one suppressor that all would just open up groups as it fouled, cleaning bought the groups back down in size but was a huge PITA.
Another suppressor would get very bad lead fouling around the baffles and could cause some shots to speed up, subsonic ammo would go super sonic and it'd throw really high fliers.
Cleaning both was always a pain in the arse, and needed doing every 500 rounds or so which can be 1 days shooting.

The bigger issue I (and others) have found is if you ever point your rifle up loose crud from inside the suppressor can fall back into your barrel/action and give you issues. Have seen people at shooting matches have things go funny and the common denominating being a suppressor.

I re-barreled by T1x and intentionally didn't get it threaded, I didn't plan on using a tuner and didn't want to be tempted to use a suppressor again.
I've found my barrel stays much cleaner, and don't seem to get the same loose carbon in the barrel and action as I used to.

As much as I love shooting suppressed I've stopped doing it with 22lr and I don't plan on doing it again for match/competition use.

 

[beetroot]

The general consensus is that Vudoo/RimX are no more accurate than a good Tikka/Bergara/CZ but across the board are more accurate and reliably accurate. Less fussy with ammo, better accuracy with a wider variety of ammo.
Some guys will shoot just as well with a CZ457 with a new barrel and perhaps a bit of tuning but all Vudoos shoot right out of the gate.

I probably wouldn't get a T1x ACE, the barrel/action/trigger is the same as your current Tikka MTR.
You may as well try find a good deal on a MDT ACC (or another chassis), you'll have the same thing but likely better.

Or if money isn't an issue get a Vudoo/RimX and then you'll never have to worry about upgrading ever again.

 

[Criver600]

The general consensus is that Vudoo/RimX are no more accurate than a good Tikka/Bergara/CZ but across the board are more accurate and reliably accurate. Less fussy with ammo, better accuracy with a wider variety of ammo.
Some guys will shoot just as well with a CZ457 with a new barrel and perhaps a bit of tuning but all Vudoos shoot right out of the gate.

I probably wouldn't get a T1x ACE, the barrel/action/trigger is the same as your current Tikka MTR.
You may as well try find a good deal on a MDT ACC (or another chassis), you'll have the same thing but likely better.

Or if money isn't an issue get a Vudoo/RimX and then you'll never have to worry about upgrading ever again.

All things being equal, your barrel and chamber are the deciding factor. A Bartlien or Krieger with a decent chamber is going to be more than accurate enough and not picky about ammunition.

 

[dzz]

I probably wouldn't get a T1x ACE, the barrel/action/trigger is the same as your current Tikka MTR.
You may as well try find a good deal on a MDT ACC (or another chassis), you'll have the same thing but likely better.

Or if money isn't an issue get a Vudoo/RimX and then you'll never have to worry about upgrading ever again.

I do have MPA Ultra Lite Chassis that I could use for Vodoo or RimX. I don't like the lack of 2 stage trigger on new Tikka T1x Ace, the rest of Ace rifle looks nice

 

[bobby1028]

All things being equal, your barrel and chamber are the deciding factor. A Bartlien or Krieger with a decent chamber is going to be more than accurate enough and not picky about ammunition.

^^^This...regardless of the action you mate it with. If there's an advantage anymore to a Vudoo or RimX it's the 700 platform compatability and the aftermarket support, although that gap is narrowing quickly as CZ aftermarket support grows and more premium smiths are chambering quality barrels and building rifles on the 457 platform if you choose. You like your T1x maybe see about getting a premium barrel spun up for it and see what it does before investing in the Ace, it can be very accurate and maybe just what you're looking for.

 

[dzz]

All things being equal, your barrel and chamber are the deciding factor. A Bartlien or Krieger with a decent chamber is going to be more than accurate enough and not picky about ammunition.

What's preferred barrel manufacturer (nobody mentioned Proof so far) and barrel length for RimX ? Other than cool looks and less weight, are there any other advantages of carbon fiber barrel?

 

[DownhillFromHere]

It's true that variants of CZ-457, Bergara B-14, Tikka T1X, etc. might shoot as accurately as a Vudoo or Rim-X. But there's a reason why everything is compared to Vudoo or Rim-X.

• You're the 976,341st person to ask, "Should I get [whatever] or a Vudoo or a Rim-X." If budget permits, get the Vudoo or a Rim-X and be done (I got both - see below). If you don't, you'll always wonder. If budget is a consideration, a non-Vudoo-non-RimX can certainly provide superb accuracy - but will never feel like a Vudoo or Rim-X.
• Wrt rebarreling a [whatever] and having the accuracy of a Vudoo or Rim-X: sure. Accuracy will most likely be top shelf. But. See preceding comment.
• Wrt shooting suppressed: other posters have addressed the topic well. If you have a rifle that shoots suppressed better than or as well as non-suppressed, yay for you and enjoy. But the rule of thumb is putting a suppressor on a precision .22 is more likely to hurt accuracy than help or remain unchanged.
• There is no "preferred barrel manufacturer" any more than there is a "preferred automobile manufacturer." I like Bartlein because every Bartlein barrel I've ever had, centerfire or rimfire, has been superb and Bartlein principle Frank Green is a frequent contributor here. But there are many posts here about other manufacturers' barrels being awesome.
• I shoot about a dozen rimfire matches each year at a few different venues... and I've never encountered a carbon fiber barrel. That doesn't mean there haven't been any. I've just never seen any, including at a "Long Gong" match where targets are 8/6/4-inch plates at 300 yards. There were some serious rifles there; majority were straight or heavy contours with tuners. (Lots of argument here as to whether tuners actually work - not going there.)

With all that said, here's my post from several months ago with a compare/contrast of Vudoo and Rim-X.

Do what feels right at the moment. Most guys will want to fiddle with other builds over time anyway, no matter what brand(s) they own. Fwiw, I have started running a $500 CZ-455 with a $250 scope in a "Sporter" division match - lots of fun.

 

[beetroot]

What's preferred barrel manufacturer (nobody mentioned Proof so far) and barrel length for RimX ? Other than cool looks and less weight, are there any other advantages of carbon fiber barrel?

Carbon fibre is good for saving weight, looking cool, and costing more money.

If you are going to compete you want as fat and long possible. A straight (no taper) or heavy contour that is 20" minimum (24"+ preferred) is what you'll need to balance the rifle for NRL/PRS 22.

For other types of competition or just a range toy barrel length likely doesn't matter but 20" would be a good place to be.

 

[beetroot]

All things being equal, your barrel and chamber are the deciding factor. A Bartlien or Krieger with a decent chamber is going to be more than accurate enough and not picky about ammunition.

All things being equal being the important part. CZ/bergar/T1x are all mass produced guns, whereas Vudoo/RimX are less so.

I certainly agree that a good barrel on any of the other options can shoot as well as a Vudoo/RimX but if money isn't an option going straight into a R700 style action is likely the best way to go with the least chance for headaches.

 

[D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷]

All things being equal, your barrel and chamber are the deciding factor. A Bartlien or Krieger with a decent chamber is going to be more than accurate enough and not picky about ammunition.

My premium 22lr is incredibly picky about ammunition, some it doesn’t even chamber…but then again I had no business trying to shoot bulk Rem through it.

 

[beetroot]

I'm not trying to scare you off a Tikka build but there's a reason the R700 22lrs have taken over the precision 22lr scene.

I don't even own a Vudoo, I went down the rebarrel Tikka path. While it shoots great and functions reliably (after a lot of re-work and headaches), I going straight for a Vudoo had been an option I would've done that instead and in hindsight likely would've done a CZ build instead of a Tikka build.

I really like the T1x and other than teething pains with my new barrel have had great success with it. I'm likely even going to buy a T1x ACE very soon so can answer any questions about it.

As littlepod said, shooting better ammo would be an easy place to start, a better stock/chassis would be your next step.

 

[D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷]

Carbon fibre is good for saving weight, looking cool, and costing more money.

looking cool and costing more is 99% of this forum.

 

[kbiss]

As far as shooting suppressed I don't even buy barrels threaded anymore. I go for no threads and just the crown. Definitely believe suppressed on 22lr doesn't help Accuracy

 

[beetroot]

looking cool and costing more is 99% of this forum.

If you can't be the part, at least look the part.

 

[Emerson0311]

I’ve been through this whole journey. Savage MK2, T1X, re-barreled T1X, MDT ACC Premier, Duece IBI ACC Elite, barrels from 16” to 24”. CCISV to Eley Match by the case. At this point I’m looking for 10 shot positional groups@100 that regularly show<1” of vertical. The Rimfire PRS matches at MDT/IBI’s home range regularly have 1MOA targets at 100. I only see that level of performance from 700 pattern “custom” barreled actions with good ammo. You could probably spend the same on a CZ toget similar results, but it’s still a CZ for resale. If you personally assemble the 700 pattern, they will usually run like a surplus Russian army truck until your amateur tuning skills level up. Keep in mind they are high performance tools that do not appreciate cheap ammo and dumb gronk operators.
Cheap chassis’s don’t perform top shelf for PRS, if you are a podium threat competitor. Otherwise a generic tool will be fine for a range toy. 26” 1.125” profile barrel, 13/14/16T, tight match chamber, trigger around 16oz, and a full featured chassis. There will be those who mock the full open build and say it’s the Indian, not the arrow. Watch how many big matches they podium finish.

 

[chevy_man]

what's wrong with shooting suppressed?

Nothing.

On my particular rifle it changed the groups slightly. It will open up if I don't clean every brick.

But, it shoots just as good with or without. And if you look down the barrel without it is still full of crud.

I put up with the cleaning to enjoy the quiet.

 

[Numenur]

I shot a mag through a RimX for the first time last week. Slick, real slick. I’m not sure which is better, which is a compliment to both platforms.

 

[dzz]

Thank you all who responded, your responses are very informative and educational. Since I already have MPA BA ultra light chassis, I'll pick RimX or Vodoo. I see that Vodoo also offers Bartlein barrels, which is good. It looks like 20" or longer barrel is preferable. Other than more mass at the front, is 24" barrel better for long range (300ish yards), for competition... or there are some other benefits of longer barrels for rimfire?

 

[LR1845]

Thank you all who responded, your responses are very informative and educational. Since I already have MPA BA ultra light chassis, I'll pick RimX or Vodoo. I see that Vodoo also offers Bartlein barrels, which is good. It looks like 20" or longer barrel is preferable. Other than more mass at the front, is 24" barrel better for long range (300ish yards), for competition... or there are some other benefits of longer barrels for rimfire?

@David Lott
This is the guy you’ll want to talk to if your going RimX or Vudoo.

 

[ToddM]

If you already have an MPA chassis, definitely vudoo or rim-x, especially since you already have a Tikka. Most of what the ACE brings to the table is the chassis, at about $1000 premium, which is a lot for a factory chassis. Thats close to MPA/MDT chassis money and we really don't know enough about the Ace chassis yet to know if it's really able to compete with MPA/MDT for quality/features.

Don't get me wrong there are some great shooting CZ/Tikka's etc. and there's nothing wrong with them, but if I already had a Tikka setup, and I had a nice 700 chassis already, I'd definitely do the Rim-X/Vudoo route. The price for a vudoo-rimX barreled action is not far off what you'd be paying for the Tikka, and you already have a 700 chassis to put it in.

 

[Matagorda308]

Thank you all who responded, your responses are very informative and educational. Since I already have MPA BA ultra light chassis, I'll pick RimX or Vodoo. I see that Vodoo also offers Bartlein barrels, which is good. It looks like 20" or longer barrel is preferable. Other than more mass at the front, is 24" barrel better for long range (300ish yards), for competition... or there are some other benefits of longer barrels for rimfire?

24” barrel balances better, is easier to shoot at long range, and seems to give better es & sd. They get very heavy quick. If you shoot suppressed the length gets a little unwieldy.
I have RimX and Vudoo both. Both are great rifles.
The RimX offers the ability to buy prefit barrels. You can install or switch barrels yourself. A gunsmith has to have your Vudoo receiver in hand to fit a new barrel.
Just my thoughts.
I love both and both are definitely a step above.
David Lott and DI Precision is a wealth of information and does gorgeous work.

 

[Dead Eye Dick]

I do have MPA Ultra Lite Chassis that I could use for Vodoo or RimX. I don't like the lack of 2 stage trigger on new Tikka T1x Ace, the rest of Ace rifle looks nice

Don’t sell the Ultra Lite Chassis short for PRS Rimfire. It does have one drawback, adding extra weight is a pain.

Vudoo 360 with 22 inch barrel

 

[dzz]

Don’t sell the Ultra Lite Chassis short for PRS Rimfire. It does have one drawback, adding extra weight is a pain.

Vudoo 360 with 22 inch barrel

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Looks good, I got blue one