Simple answer for me is that (a) I really liked the SLR 6" handguard, (b) changing the barrel was way more expensive, (c) a barrel change is a pain in the butt compared to a handguard swap out, and (d) I wanted the shorter length due to storage in a pistol safe. I've been super happy with the result.
www.jmac-customs.com
The Pyro brake is cool, but you should also checkout the JMac Customs BDS-37 on a Dead Air KeyMo mount (just like in the pictures above). It's what I run on my 14.5" when not suppressed. It gives you all the great functions of the KeyMount muzzle brake, but directs all the blast and sound outwards and away from you and those around you. It works surprisingly well.
***** Alright, UPDATE time on the Saint Brake! *****
I just talked with the guy who owns the company... He said due to recent influx of backorders for existing muzzle brakes they are currently SLAMMED with orders, which, Business 101 tells you that those take priority. He did say that it is still on his mind, and to tell yall that this mount becoming a reality is a "SOLID maybe". He said he does definitely want to explore and experiment with it, and see what he can come up with when he gets free time, because he also sees the potential for it.
I told him that some folks had concerns about who was making it, and what the quality would be like, etc... He said to put everyone's minds at ease, I could finally tell everyone who it was that would be making them, so that you would KNOW it's a solid product from a reputable company that's been around a long time, and is already fully-licensed to make top-quality Dead Air mounts for other specialty applications. And that if yall were interested in one, to let them know, because gaging the interest in something like this, helps determine the speed and reality of this muzzle brake.
If you, or anyone else you know might be interested in one of these for your Saint Victor pistol, please be sure to call or email them and let them know that this is something you're interested in... If you know someone who might be interested, tell them about this thread, and have them do the same. Like I said, gaging interest goes a long way when determining how quickly something experimental can become a reality.
Here is a link to their website, so yall can see the level of quality and production they have.
Muzzle Devices - Page 1 - JMac Customs LLC
This item fits the Saint Victor 5.56 pistol ? And is the blast diverter as effective as the silencer in protecting my hearing, reducing sound if I need to shoot this thing without ear protection in a self defense situation? Thanks
No, it will not mess up your gun. Just make sure to install it using Rocksett on the barrel threads, and torque it to the proper torque specs they recommend. Let it sit for at least 24 hours before shooting, because you want the Rocksett to properly cure.
Yes, will fit any rifle with the appropriate adapter (Dead Air, Griffin, Rearden, Q etc...). It does not reduce sound at all, but pushing the pressure forward so not as ridiculous. Silencer is always the better solution.
Looking at it, it isn't going to add 3" to the barrel. That whole adapter probably isn't more than 2" long. Under dimensions, it's most-likely the package it comes in is 3" x 2" x 0.5". I'd say after installation, you'll only add about 1" maybe 1.5"...Which would be about perfect to clear the handguard of the Saint. I don't know how long JMac is going to take to get their's up and going, but it will be designed specifically for the Saint Victor pistols to optimize both aesthetics and function for that particular firearm, when adding a suppressor (smooth look).
A 3/4” wrench (or armorer’s wrench), a sturdy mounted vise, and a reaction rod. I recommend either a Real Avid or Geissele, since they lock into the solid hardened steel locking lugs of the barrel, so as not to put stress on the thin aluminum receiver.
If you plan on running direct-thread setup, yes. I run KeyMo/KeyMount setups on my AR's. And they sell 1/2x28 KeyMount brakes, so I wouldn't need any thread adapters.
Way too much extension, and I wouldn't recommend that. You want something that has a bore diameter larger than your bore, because you don't want it affecting the bullet, gasses, or pressures. I would stick with something short, like the style of adapters you've been looking at previously.
I talked to him earlier today, he said he has it in que, but he's been slammed with the CNC's and hasn't had a gap where he could run a few out. But I'll let you know ASAP. He's keeping me updated on them, as they go along. Their CNC work is precise, and it will be one of the nicest adapters out there. Plus, the purpose-built design lends to perfect fitment. As much as I want to suppress my SAINT, I'll keep waiting, as I have plenty of other things to suppress and play with in the meantime.
I'm totally out of my league with changing to a longer barrel, don't have the tools nor the experience. This is my first AR, and honestly I chose it because it looked good and got good reviews. Putting a suppressor on it was an after thought but now knowing how LOUD it is I am really concerned if I ever have to use this in the real world without ear protection.
At the point where putting a $35-50 extension is just as good, but WAY cheaper than a $200+ barrel. I built all my own AR's, so swapping out the barrel is nothing for me, but I kind of like the SAINT in it's current config, just the short barrel under the skinny handguard is kind of a pisser. If I were to swap barrels, I'd toss in an 8.5" .300 BLK barrel, but I want to leave it 5.56 for SHTF purposes. It's my little go-to weapon. Even with the 0x magnification on the Holosun HS507C-X2, I can still shoot 1.5" groups at 100 yards with it. So, it's pretty damn accurate for a 7.5" 5.56. In a true SHTF .223/5.56 will be simple to find, and .300 BLK will not. Even though I feel .300 BLK is the superior cartridge...Especially running a can on it. I might end up swapping in that 8.5" .300 BLK barrel later anyway. Who knows? But for now, a $35-50 extension that allows me to run my suppressors on the factory barrel and handguard is worth it to me.
Thanks. I did some more research and measuring. Turns out I would need a new gas tube, which is 15 bucks. My gas tube for my current 7.5" barrel is 6.6875" which is 'pistol length'. And the one that comes with the 10.5" barrel would be a 'carbine length' gas tube which is 9.8"
Yes, as long as they're both .750" diameter shank, then you're good. Just need a good stainless carbine-length gas tube.
I've got an old 24" Brownells heavy barrel made by Satern in my 6.5 Grendel, and it's about 1.5 MOA average. I prefer sub myself. I've been considering buying the Brownells Faxon 20" 6.5 Grendel barrel to cut down on weight and length now that I'm running suppressed. I'd like to hunt with my 6.5 Grendel this year. Might just say fuck it, and put a 20" Proof CF barrel in it. But really wasn't wanting to drop $800 on an AR barrel.
Yeah mine is 18". I'm getting about 2640 at muzzle with 108gr ELDM hornandy ammo.I've got an old 24" Brownells heavy barrel made by Satern in my 6.5 Grendel, and it's about 1.5 MOA average. I prefer sub myself. I've been considering buying the Brownells Faxon 20" 6.5 Grendel barrel to cut down on weight and length now that I'm running suppressed. I'd like to hunt with my 6.5 Grendel this year. Might just say fuck it, and put a 20" Proof CF barrel in it. But really wasn't wanting to drop $800 on an AR barrel.
I would suggest contacting YHM (Yankee Hill Machine) and asking their advice as to which would be the proper muzzle brake that you are wanting to use with that particular suppressor mounting system.
This is the exact setup that I have. I went this route because I wanted to keep it as short as possible, especially since I'm adding almost 7" with the SilencerCo Saker ASR556k. I do like the original Saint handguard better, but I would've had to cut it or swap out for a longer barrel. I'm happy with the setup and it'll be a little more lightweight. Now if my stamp would just get approved, I'll be happy! Been waiting since January, so I probably have a few more months to go. But if I put a Gen3-M Folding Stock adapter on it, it'll fit behind the back seat of my truck or in a backpack... with the suppressor attached. I ultimately just want it as light, short, and quiet as possible for self-defense. But man that thing is a CANON at 167 db! What kind of sight are you going with?
I can't decide which one yet. Probably gonna need some higher due to short length of the brace for quick target acquisition. Thinking about the Sig Romeo, but I'll have to check out the Razor first. Thanks for the feedback
Any update on this?I talked to him earlier today, he said he has it in que, but he's been slammed with the CNC's and hasn't had a gap where he could run a few out. But I'll let you know ASAP. He's keeping me updated on them, as they go along. Their CNC work is precise, and it will be one of the nicest adapters out there. Plus, the purpose-built design lends to perfect fitment. As much as I want to suppress my SAINT, I'll keep waiting, as I have plenty of other things to suppress and play with in the meantime.
I talked to him this past week, and he said the prototype is complete, and everything is setup, he's just waiting on machine time, and they'll be making a run. I'll let yall know when they are available. Trust me, I'm just as impatiently waiting as yall are to run my Sandman-S cans on my 7.5" SAINT.
Quick question...I talked to him this past week, and he said the prototype is complete, and everything is setup, he's just waiting on machine time, and they'll be making a run. I'll let yall know when they are available. Trust me, I'm just as impatiently waiting as yall are to run my Sandman-S cans on my 7.5" SAINT.
The prototype is not shorter. It's the same length as a standard brake shipped from Dead Air, because it USES a standard 5/8x24 brake from Dead Air or JMac Customs. The prototype is simply a purpose-designed adapter that is just long enough to allow you to run a standard 5/8x24 Dead Air KeyMount device on your 1/2x28 threaded 5.56 Saint. It is set at the perfect length to clear the handguard and still look slick, as if you don't have an adapter on it.
Oh, you're talking about the number of chambers in the brake! My bad! I didn't know what you were talking about at first... I thought you were talking about the rear portion of the brake. It's been a long day.
Is there any recent update on the JMac muzzle device that’s being discussed?Oh, you're talking about the number of chambers in the brake! My bad! I didn't know what you were talking about at first... I thought you were talking about the rear portion of the brake. It's been a long day.
It's just a 2-chamber brake that JMac Customs makes, versus the standard 3-chamber brake that Dead Air sells. For AR cartridges, the 2-chamber brake is fine. The reason the Dead Air brake is a 3-chamber, is becuae it has to be able to be used on a very large range of cartridges...Everything from small varmint rounds and AR cartridges, all the way up to huge magnum cartridges like the .300 RUM and .300 Norma Mag.
The number of chambers the brake has (as well as the design), determines how effective it is at mitigating recoil. So, a 2-chamber brake is not going to have as much surface area to catch the gasses, as the 3-chamber version of it does. So, larger cartridges that use more powder, and create more gasses, the more chambers, the more effective the brake is, because the more chambers means the more surface area for those gasses to hit, which will create more push forward to reduce the recoil of the rifle.
Not yet... I'm still waiting, too. But he assured me it was coming.
If it means suppressing without modifying anything, I can definitely wait. Keep us posted if you hear anything. Thanks!
