SAKO TRG-22

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lambsey said:
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Re barreled in 6BR, other one i have in 6.5x47, both superbly accurate when i do my bit. Great rifles, parts are pricey, but they shoot sooooo good
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Beautiful setups. I wanted to ask if you have a preference between shooting the fixed adjustable stock vs the factory TRG folder.
I am debating if the folder is worth the squeeze. or stick with the factory rear and purchase adjustable spacers shown on Black TRG.
Thanks.
 
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FYI, I have a brand new (black) Terje adjustable cheek spacers that I’ll be selling in the next few days, as well as one of his older models with the thumbscrew release (but not adjustable).

I’ll list them both in the PX, but feel free to PM me. Price will be same as Terje’s, no markup.

Edit: also have his adjustable buttpad spacer too!

2nd Edit: it’s up in the PX, received some PMs already. Listed the whole thing together... AAAAAND it’s all sold.
 
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What are the outside dimensions of the TRG-22 magazine and what is the max OAL/internal length?

I switched my TRG in 2013/2014 to the KRG AICS backbone, so I don't have a magazine anymore to measure.
 
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The fact I am answering this on a Saturday night is a sad testament to the life I am currently living.... The max internal length in my TRG mag is 1.085 as measured with calipers. You might want to take a few thou off just to be sure. My mag is 3.040 long by 1.085W by 3.140 H. Note the magazine is slanted, I gave you the tallest point.
 
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Yep, not an easy magazine to measure, here’s a rough sketch not precision but you get the idea. (The squares are 1/8”) 2BE68FF6-2815-4885-A96F-F06714CB2068.jpegA7F84676-FE80-4F56-A440-34C006FA7CA1.jpeg
 
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ratton said:
jducos installs KMW Loggerhead ACP (adjustable cheekpiece hardware) in TRG's. Much better adjustability than the OEM setup. Awesome set up.
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Do you have a picture of one? I would love to see it installed (I know what the Loggerhead looks like and am sure it looks the same on the TRG but I'm really interested...) Thanks!
 
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Going to resurrect this thread, just to echo what others have said about what a great rifle this is. Bought mine from Eurooptic about 4-5 months ago at a good price. I did add a KRG stock, just for the adjustability, and now I'm completely comfortable behind the rifle. Don't know if it's really made me any more accurate.

I have the shorter barrel in .308 and have been getting very good accuracy out of it. Shot it again today using FGMM 168 gr. Only shot 5 five round groups (ammo is getting pretty expensive). Worst group was .7" at 100 yards. Best two groups were approx. .6" and .7" at 200 yards. Usually manage to get at least one or two sub 1/2 MOA groups every time I shoot this rifle and feel that's what is really representative of its potential accuracy. If it's calm generally seems to do a little better at 200 than 100. Haven't had a chance to shoot it at longer distances yet since the longer range at our club is currently closed, but looking forward to seeing how the rifle will do at 5-600 yards.
 
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hi all new here...been reading and lurking for a while.
and trying to decide between the TRG and Tikka TAC A1.
But looks like TRG's went up in price ? it seems they use to go for $2800 or so..and now I see $3500 can't find any. Also out of stock seems like everywhere..

If anyone knows a dealer with .308 20" in stock. let me know :)
 
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noobinacan said:
hi all new here...been reading and lurking for a while.
and trying to decide between the TRG and Tikka TAC A1.
But looks like TRG's went up in price ? it seems they use to go for $2800 or so..and now I see $3500 can't find any. Also out of stock seems like everywhere..

If anyone knows a dealer with .308 20" in stock. let me know :)
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Sako TRG 22 .308 Win 20" 1:11" Bbl Folding Stock Green Phosphate Metal Finish Rifle JRSW616

Sako TRG 22 .308 Win 20" 1:11" Bbl Folding Stock Green Phosphate Metal Finish Rifle JRSW616 Available Now! Call (570) 368-3920
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Here’s an option.
 
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I've got a TRG-22, a TRG-42A1, and a Tikka T3X TAC A1...

I put a Proof carbon fiber barrel on and Tikka, and can hit 6-8in plates at 1000 yards with 147 ELDM in 6.5. It's a shooter, and has a very good folder. Likewise, a 308 one would be great too... The Tikka barrels are not as good as the Sako barrels.
 
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noobinacan said:
hi all new here...been reading and lurking for a while.
and trying to decide between the TRG and Tikka TAC A1.
But looks like TRG's went up in price ? it seems they use to go for $2800 or so..and now I see $3500 can't find any. Also out of stock seems like everywhere..

If anyone knows a dealer with .308 20" in stock. let me know :)
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I've got a TRG-22, a TRG-42A1, and a Tikka T3X TAC A1...
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I put a Proof carbon fiber barrel on and Tikka, and can hit 6-8in plates at 1000 yards with 147 ELDM in 6.5. It's a shooter, and has a very good folder. Likewise, a 308 one would be great too... The Tikka barrels are not as good as the Sako barrels.
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Supposedly, the Tikka barrels are factory rejects from Sako. I dont have any idea if that’s true or not. I own two Sako TRGs and several Tikkas and I cannot agree with the comment above that the Tikka barrels are not as accurate as Sakos. Maybe it’s just been my experience but every one of my Tikkas are seemingly every bit as good as my Sakos. All are 1/4-1/2 MOA guns as long as I do my part. Love my Tikka Tac A1 as well. So, I would say get whatever you can find as both Sako and Tikka make very very solid rifles!
 
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What I can tell you about the accuracy of the Tikka barrels versus the Sako barrels:

- any attempt in the 6.5 barrel that came with the rifle to shoot warner tool company bullets resulted in 18 inch groups at 100 yards

What that means is that there is deviation in the rifling as the bullet goes down the barrel. This does not happen with the factory Sako barrels. Both the TRG 22 and the TRG42A1 shoot 160gr Warner tool company bullets in the same hole.

Copper jacketed bullets do not exhibit this trait as the pressure behind the bullet smashes the bullet into the lans/grooves as they deviate. This causes them to shoot well.

- as the Tikka barrels get hot there is a point of impact shift. Of course SD also gets about 5-8 higher.

The POI shift is negligible if it all with the TRG series.

Without a doubt the Tikka barrels are of a lesser quality. I would be highly surprised if they were actually rejects from the Sako Line as it would be very strange for the rifling to be that inconsistent from one end to the other on a line making a bunch of sniper rifles.

I would say that it’s more likely that the Tikka barrels are probably button cut… as that would explain what I’ve seen.

The TRG barrels are cold hammer forged….

… And I’m fairly certain that the proof barrels are cut rifled.
 
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The other thing I should point out is that the proof barrel cleans exceptionally easily.

Whereas the Tikka T3X barrel would tend to get copper in it and require some serious cleaning.

When I took a borescope to it just to see what the real difference was there’s a fair amount of machining marks inside the Tikka barrel that don’t exist in either the TRG barrels or the Proof barrel. Which explains why one set of barrels is so incredibly easy to clean and the other would foul easier.

There is however $1000-$4000 price difference depending on which TRG model you’re purchasing over the TAC A1…

Something else that occurred to me… With the TRG series of rifles you can put the ammo you have for one rifle into another and they will shoot it the same, provided that one is not at the end of its barrel life and the other is at its beginning. I have tried this several times and I have been totally shocked…. Velocities are the same and the SD is the same…
 
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GBMaryland said:
What I can tell you about the accuracy of the Tikka barrels versus the Sako barrels:

- any attempt in the 6.5 barrel that came with the rifle to shoot warner tool company bullets resulted in 18 inch groups at 100 yards

What that means is that there is deviation in the rifling as the bullet goes down the barrel. This does not happen with the factory Sako barrels. Both the TRG 22 and the TRG42A1 shoot 160gr Warner tool company bullets in the same hole.

Copper jacketed bullets do not exhibit this trait as the pressure behind the bullet smashes the bullet into the lans/grooves as they deviate. This causes them to shoot well.

- as the Tikka barrels get hot there is a point of impact shift. Of course SD also gets about 5-8 higher.

The POI shift is negligible if it all with the TRG series.

Without a doubt the Tikka barrels are of a lesser quality. I would be highly surprised if they were actually rejects from the Sako Line as it would be very strange for the rifling to be that inconsistent from one end to the other on a line making a bunch of sniper rifles.

I would say that it’s more likely that the Tikka barrels are probably button cut… as that would explain what I’ve seen.

The TRG barrels are cold hammer forged….

… And I’m fairly certain that the proof barrels are cut rifled.
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GBMaryland said:
The other thing I should point out is that the proof barrel cleans exceptionally easily.

Whereas the Tikka T3X barrel would tend to get copper in it and require some serious cleaning.

When I took a borescope to it just to see what the real difference was there’s a fair amount of machining marks inside the Tikka barrel that don’t exist in either the TRG barrels or the Proof barrel. Which explains why one set of barrels is so incredibly easy to clean and the other would foul easier.

There is however $1000-$4000 price difference depending on which TRG model you’re purchasing over the TAC A1…

Something else that occurred to me… With the TRG series of rifles you can put the ammo you have for one rifle into another and they will shoot it the same, provided that one is not at the end of its barrel life and the other is at its beginning. I have tried this several times and I have been totally shocked…. Velocities are the same and the SD is the same…
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This is not even remotely my experience with Tikka barrels. Tikka barrels are cold hammer forged as well. Are you comparing apples to apples here? Were the twist rates the same? Did you try any other bullets and or loads? Need more info. 18” groups at 100 yds then there is obviously a huge problem. Are we talking about one tikka here or several resulting in the same. Perhaps you just had a bad barrel. I would have put any of my Tikkas up against my Sakos any day of the week. With that said I’m not talking about the cheaper T3X either. I’m comparing more apples to apples. If you are comparing a $400 rifle to a $2800 one then that’s obviously going to be a huge difference in itself. It’s like comparing a ferrari to a mustang. The Tikka Tac A1 is every bit as good as the TRG imo and cheaper. I will try and measure when I get back in town. From memory I don’t recall the tikka tac barrel being any thicker or thinner than a TRG barrel.

Unfortunately, I can no longer test as all of my Tikkas, with the exception of the Tikka TAC A1, have now been rebarreled. If you really want a nice rifle on the cheap, buy a T3X for the action at $400, get it rebarreled, drop it in a KRG chassis and you are at like $1000 for a ridiculous rifle! I’ve done it. I still have one T3X that I did this exact thing to and it’s a hammer go look for my post in the Tikka thread to see my T3X build. But there is nothing wrong with buying a TRG if you can afford it either. I love all mine.
 
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Tikka barrel shot jacketed rounds fine, couldnt shoot solid rounds from warner.

Machining marks in the tikka barrel, which would not exist in a cold hammer forged barrel. These marks were indicative of what you see in button rifling.

The only reason a barrel cant shoot solid rounds is due to variation in the rifling leading to blow by.

Doesn't happen on the TRGs… a 6.5CM or 260 Remington TRG shoot solid wtcs fine out of the box.

Just how it is….
 
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GBMaryland said:
Tikka barrel shot jacketed rounds fine, couldnt shoot solid rounds from warner.

Machining marks in the tikka barrel, which would not exist in a cold hammer forged barrel. These marks were indicative of what you see in button rifling.

The only reason a barrel cant shoot solid rounds is due to variation in the rifling leading to blow by.

Doesn't happen on the TRGs… a 6.5CM or 260 Remington TRG shoot solid wtcs fine out of the box.

Just how it is….
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Interesting. I wonder if Tikka changed processes? How many years ago we talking here?

It’s right there front and center on their website, cold hammer forged.

www.tikka.fi

Cold Hammer Forged Barrels

Tikka cold hammer forged barrels for unparalleled precision
www.tikka.fi www.tikka.fi

Now it could be that you had a barrel that was made by Tikka before Sako acquired them?
 
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I was just wanting to confirm that the barrel in-fact is thicker/heavier on the TRG.
so if you were to put a pair of calipers on the TRG towards the end of the barrel vs the TAC. curious to know what that difference is
 
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noobinacan said:
I was just wanting to confirm that the barrel in-fact is thicker/heavier on the TRG.
so if you were to put a pair of calipers on the TRG towards the end of the barrel vs the TAC. curious to know what that difference is
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Tikka Ctr & Tac a1 is 20mm/.79
Sako Trg is 21mm/.82
Tikka Tactical and Arctic are 22mm/.86

Eta: none of these are the same.

Eta2: The tikka tactical and arctic are ~2x expensive as CTR

Sako trg is ~2x the Tikka tactical cost, for reasons not everyone understands...No denying Sako makes top notch stuff tho.
 
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So, I would say the the Tikka was is least 5-6 years old… frankly, I hadn’t shot it much until this past year when I started load development.

Again, it shot jackets rounds quite well.

What it didnt do well was: shoot solid copper bullets and it tended to foul due to the machining marks in the barrel.

I’d really like to see someone with a brand new TAC A1 shoot some solids and see how the perform. You have me curious…

One thing is certain, the TAC A1 is a great little rifle. It is way more cost effective than a TRG, and thats still true if you put in a Proof drop in CF barrel….

(Just remember to unscrew the folder, blue loctite it, and rescrew it…)
 
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noobinacan said:
I was just wanting to confirm that the barrel in-fact is thicker/heavier on the TRG.
so if you were to put a pair of calipers on the TRG towards the end of the barrel vs the TAC. curious to know what that difference is
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BTW: the reason I have not answered this question…

Like the TRG barrels the original was stress relieved and removed… soooo…. I dont have that barrel.

It did appear a little smaller in profile.

I really wonder if the TAC A1 started using Hammer Forged Barrels at some point, but that I just had an earlier barrel.

I had TRGs for going on 15 years and they just work.
 
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ma smith said:
Tikka Ctr & Tac a1 is 20mm/.79
Sako Trg is 21mm/.82
Tikka Tactical and Arctic are 22mm/.86

Eta: none of these are the same.

Eta2: The tikka tactical and arctic are ~2x expensive as CTR

Sako trg is ~2x the Tikka tactical cost, for reasons not everyone understands...No denying Sako makes top notch stuff tho.
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thanks folks this is good info!
 
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noobinacan said:
muzzle end should be ok :)
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I’ll put some calipers on mine as well when I can get back to it, just cause I want to see how it compares to the stats above. The TRG looks to be a thinner profile but looks can be deceiving. To end this debate, honestly I don’t think you can do wrong by buying either one. I’d say get the one that you feel the best behind. I’m biased cause I own and like both. I will admit, as others have said, the Sako action is more robust!

GBMaryland said:
BTW: the reason I have not answered this question…

Like the TRG barrels the original was stress relieved and removed… soooo…. I dont have that barrel.

It did appear a little smaller in profile.

I really wonder if the TAC A1 started using Hammer Forged Barrels at some point, but that I just had an earlier barrel.

I had TRGs for going on 15 years and they just work.
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That’s what I’m wondering as well. According to the Tikka website all of their barrels are cold hammer forged. Maybe this came about after Sako bought them? As for the solids, I’d say that it doesn’t really make a lot of sense for a company to invest in making a rifle to shoot specific bullets when most people out there won’t be shooting solids with it. With that said, I doubt Sako is producing their rifles in such a way to fit those either, so it’s interesting that the Sakos did well and the Tikka did not. But I’m betting you had a before Sako owned Tikka produced barrel.
 
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SilentStalkr said:
I’ll put some calipers on mine as well when I can get back to it, just cause I want to see how it compares to the stats above. The TRG looks to be a thinner profile but looks can be deceiving. To end this debate, honestly I don’t think you can do wrong by buying either one. I’d say get the one that you feel the best behind. I’m biased cause I own and like both. I will admit, as others have said, the Sako action is more robust!
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That would be awesome, also if you are able to take a picture side by side/ top view ?
 
#189
I've had my 26" TRG22 with factory muzzle brake and bipod since the mid 90's. I bought a AIAW with a Bartlien barrel a few years later. love Both rifles. The trigger on the TRG is superior to the AIAW's and the bolt is much slicker. The magazine imo is batter on the TRG as you can just drop a round on the magazine and it will load. On the AIAW you must depress the magazine floor to get below the lip on the side of the magazine. On the AIAW the accuracy, a least for me, is better. I've 5 shot 100 yard shot groups under 0.2. the 6 groups on the same target averaged bout 0.4. The best 5 5 shot groups I've shot with the TRG were about 0.6". All groups were shot with 168 grain SMK's. Not much difference so pick your poison as to which rifle you like better. Both rilles have a Nigh Force NXS 8-32X 50 scope. However AIAW was much more expensive than the TRG.
 
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That’s what I’m wondering as well. According to the Tikka website all of their barrels are cold hammer forged. Maybe this came about after Sako bought them? As for the solids, I’d say that it doesn’t really make a lot of sense for a company to invest in making a rifle to shoot specific bullets when most people out there won’t be shooting solids with it. With that said, I doubt Sako is producing their rifles in such a way to fit those either, so it’s interesting that the Sakos did well and the Tikka did not. But I’m betting you had a before Sako owned Tikka produced barrel.
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Correct... I traded a DD AR10 for the TAC A1... and became the owner of the nice 100 round T3X TAC A1.

I had a few TRG-42s for some time, and then picked up a TRG-22 as well.

I decided to see how the 6.5 solids would work in the T3X, and was horrified when it couldn't get a grouping under 18 inches.

I've been running the 160s in the 308 rifles, and they are same hole 3100fps rounds out of the factory TRG42 barrels once the load is dialed in.

The problem with the TAC A1 that I was trying to solve was loading some 2750 FPS rounds to reach out supersonically well past 1000 yards.

(If people aren't aware, the T3X suffers from heavy bolt lift with hot rounds. Which you might be able to mitigate using copper solids as they are lighter and easier to drive fast, let alone that they tend to have insane BCs.)

As far as the general conversation on solids: You see alot more of them now a days, so I'd say companies need to support their use. In so far a military rifles are concerned... there are LOTS of bullets that are not lead cored... and those need to be fired from barrels without significant deviation... and that's likely why the TRG's have consistent barrels.

Basically, the TRG have barrels that are on part with Bartlein and Proof from the start. What the current TAC A1 has, I just don't know.

I will say that the TAC A1 is being sold as a military / LEO firearm, and that they may have stepped up their game in order to be in that market.
 
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I have had a Sako TRG-22 since 2013. It has around 500 rounds of Federal match shot. I added a mono-pod to the stock and have liked the GG&G bipod. Saved me $ 300 over the Sako bipod.
The only thing I dislike is the super long 26 inch barrel and the added length of the muzzle brake. I would like a shorter barrel or semi-auto 308. But, this has a great trigger and extremely accurate with one hole groups at 100M. My daughter shoots holes through old European coins at 100M
 

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HkPlinker said:
I have had a Sako TRG-22 since 2013. It has around 500 rounds of Federal match shot. I added a mono-pod to the stock and have liked the GG&G bipod. Saved me $ 300 over the Sako bipod.
The only thing I dislike is the super long 26 inch barrel and the added length of the muzzle brake. I would like a shorter barrel or semi-auto 308. But, this has a great trigger and extremely accurate with one hole groups at 100M. My daughter shoots holes through old European coins at 100M
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props getting your little kiddo trained on it.
so its going to be passed down to generations...and next thing you know your grand kids have better groups than you :)
Took some ladies from HR for their first time bench action. put em behind a JP. and they out shot me. TEARS!!! :/
 
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HkPlinker said:
I have had a Sako TRG-22 since 2013. It has around 500 rounds of Federal match shot. I added a mono-pod to the stock and have liked the GG&G bipod. Saved me $ 300 over the Sako bipod.
The only thing I dislike is the super long 26 inch barrel and the added length of the muzzle brake. I would like a shorter barrel or semi-auto 308. But, this has a great trigger and extremely accurate with one hole groups at 100M. My daughter shoots holes through old European coins at 100M
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Owned since 2013 and it only has 500 RDS down the tube? Holy crap!
 
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Here is one of her coins. Not Euro, but still. I love by girl! I realized I over clicked the scope by one "click" over Zero and never reset the turret. The shot should have been one centimeter higher, which she still reminds me it was my fault. She's in town this weekend from college. Making me think about a Father Daughter afternoon this weekend and the rifle is set to true 100M Zero now
 

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Just gonna throw my experiences with the TRG-22 in here.
I bought mine in 2013/14 and got one of the first of the "new" models (post 2013).

This was my first high end long range rifle. I had previously owned a bunch of Remington 700's and Tikkas

I've used it extensively and put it through some hard tests, like participating in Finnsniper in 2014, 2015 and 2016.

Its been submerged, pulled through a river, thrown over rivers, dropped, dragged beneath me across gravel, dirt and concrete.
That rifle has some proper scars.
Aaaaand it has never NOT worked. It's a workhorse.

Here's my takeaways from owning and using it:

- The trigger is awesome
- Its light enough to hunt with
- I cut the 308 barrel from 26" to 20" and regretted it
- I rechambered it to 6.5cm and sort of miss the 308 to be honest

I've since bought an AI AW in 308 and an SSG3000 but I dont see selling the TRG-22 in my future.
 
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MrSwede said:
Just gonna throw my experiences with the TRG-22 in here.
I bought mine in 2013/14 and got one of the first of the "new" models (post 2013).

This was my first high end long range rifle. I had previously owned a bunch of Remington 700's and Tikkas

I've used it extensively and put it through some hard tests, like participating in Finnsniper in 2014, 2015 and 2016.

Its been submerged, pulled through a river, thrown over rivers, dropped, dragged beneath me across gravel, dirt and concrete.
That rifle has some proper scars.
Aaaaand it has never NOT worked. It's a workhorse.

Here's my takeaways from owning and using it:

- The trigger is awesome
- Its light enough to hunt with
- I cut the 308 barrel from 26" to 20" and regretted it
- I rechambered it to 6.5cm and sort of miss the 308 to be honest

I've since bought an AI AW in 308 and an SSG3000 but I dont see selling the TRG-22 in my future.
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Pics?
 
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noobinacan said:
I'm curious to hear why you say that you regretted going down to 20" ?
and also why do you miss the 308?
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I’m curious about this as well. Likely only losing about 120-200fps with 6” lopped off the barrel which for me isn’t a huge deal. I kept my Sako at a 26” barrel but I much prefer my 20” for jut about everything.
 
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