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SCAR16 or LWRC IC SPR 16"
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I know some will flame me but I don't care. After shooting both quite a bit; I went with the SPR. I have no gripes at all. Handles well, shoots well and is reliable 100%.
Well someone has a spr for 1900 in the px, you could try it out for cheap
sell it real quick in the 1800 range, if it's not for you
looks awesome upgraded trigger, and folding sights, that's $400 bucks right there
has the spiral bbl, and the finish appears to be sandbox brown rather than tactical coyote brown!!!
sell it real quick in the 1800 range, if it's not for you
looks awesome upgraded trigger, and folding sights, that's $400 bucks right there
has the spiral bbl, and the finish appears to be sandbox brown rather than tactical coyote brown!!!
I have both the SCAR and the LWRC SPR. I do not like the ergonomics on the SCAR and the SPR is more accurate than the SCAR
Those IC's look reeeeal nice. I'd probably give LWRC the nod personally. Not sure you could go wrong with either though.
LWRC doesn't even sniff the ass of a 17. Good ammo and shooter, and the 17 will hang with it shot for shot, while being lighter, recoiling less and being a superior weapon in just about every category.
I have no idea what they are talking about but EVERY single person who I have seen shoot a 17 either buys one or gets sad because they can't afford one. Lets see a from the ground up weapon build for SOCOM by one of the oldest and most respected firearm companies in the world vs a small boutique shop with a history of putting out shit products, horrible business practices, lying about contracts and questionable material sourcing.
I have no idea what they are talking about but EVERY single person who I have seen shoot a 17 either buys one or gets sad because they can't afford one. Lets see a from the ground up weapon build for SOCOM by one of the oldest and most respected firearm companies in the world vs a small boutique shop with a history of putting out shit products, horrible business practices, lying about contracts and questionable material sourcing.
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I owned an M6IC and traded it for a Scar 16 this past week. The IC was nice, accurate right out of the box, factory trigger is one of the better ones out there but still upgraded to a Geiselle. My main complaint with the IC was the weight. Gun was VERY nose heavy. The only way to correct that would have been to replaced the factory stock with something aftermarket like the Sopmod B5. Which means the only way to try and balance out the gun would be to add weight which would have put it close to 8lbs. The Scar is a far more balanced rifle. Your not going to go wrong either but for me the Scar is where it's at! I should also add that I already own another Scar 16 so my opinion is not based on 1 week of owning a Scar.
If you don't believe me check out this video of Jeff Gonzalez of Trident Concepts showing the latest LWRC Tricon MK6
SHOT Show 2014 - LWRC Tricon MK6 Rifle - YouTube
If you don't believe me check out this video of Jeff Gonzalez of Trident Concepts showing the latest LWRC Tricon MK6
SHOT Show 2014 - LWRC Tricon MK6 Rifle - YouTube
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Hahahaha! Get the LWRC SPR, it's a well made rifle, accurate and reliable. If anything, get the SPR so we can watch Cobra cutter peepee in his pants!
Lets see, I lived about 20 minutes from LWRC when they started up. I went to college 30 minutes away from where are. I used to shoot and compete with one of the production managers (no idea if he still works there). One of my father's business partners owns(or owned) a part of the company. If anything, I have much more insignt into this shitty little sham of a company than you do.
The 16 and 17 are both good rifles. If you are going to stick with 5.56, there are better options than both. The 16 is not a bad gun, it just doesn't bring enough of a change over the m4 to be worth it.
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"The 16 is not a bad gun, it just doesn't bring enough of a change over the m4 to be worth it." Finally something I can agree with something he has posted.
"The 16 is not a bad gun, it just doesn't bring enough of a change over the m4 to be worth it." Finally something I can agree with something he has posted.
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I have the both the LWRC IC SPR and SCAR 16s. Have run them both through 4 carbine classes. Over 6000k rounds through each. Each has its pros and cons. Buy what suits your needs.
My Quick comments:
Scar pros: better balanced and lighter (esp front end), more reliable (for me), softer (but different) recoil. Accuracy is equal to LWRC (for me).
SCAR 16s cons: ergonomics, stock (I placed a vltor adapter and run the same stock on my SCAR and LWRC. Weird recoil (for some), reciprocating charging handle.
LWRC IC pros: AR ergonomics + ambi bolt release, thin, rounder hand guard feels good in the hand.
LWRC cons: front heavy (this is indisputable-- check the balance point in both and you'll see. And I have the FLUTED barrel.
YMMV
My Quick comments:
Scar pros: better balanced and lighter (esp front end), more reliable (for me), softer (but different) recoil. Accuracy is equal to LWRC (for me).
SCAR 16s cons: ergonomics, stock (I placed a vltor adapter and run the same stock on my SCAR and LWRC. Weird recoil (for some), reciprocating charging handle.
LWRC IC pros: AR ergonomics + ambi bolt release, thin, rounder hand guard feels good in the hand.
LWRC cons: front heavy (this is indisputable-- check the balance point in both and you'll see. And I have the FLUTED barrel.
YMMV
So with that amount of time which one do you personally prefer and why?
For anyone comparing the two rifles I would agree with most of this. I know many people are excited about the my new lower of the IC architecture however it's not all roses. There are issues with the bolt catch and the Gen 3 Pmags and neither company wants to address the issue. As mentioned above and in the video I posted even with a fluted barrel the LWRC rifle are not well balanced.
From what I've heard, the Scar-16s is accurate, low recoil, and obviously super reliable. The thing is that there is nothing a scar can do that a AR-15 can do better. Apparently it's very good with a suppressor/sbr because the suppressor does not dirty up as much(can someone correct me if I'm wrong) and the barrel doesn't over heat with the suppressor(a lot of members have done tests between piston AR-15 makers vs the scar).
I'd recommend a scar-17s over the scar-16s, unless you want the 5.56. The weight is a bit heavier, but still great (8.4~ pounds loaded) and longer range. Recoil is as little as a 5.56.
I don't know if there are piston AR-15 custom shops, but I would look into them. I don't know much about the LWRC either, but some info on the SCAR-16s.
I'd recommend a scar-17s over the scar-16s, unless you want the 5.56. The weight is a bit heavier, but still great (8.4~ pounds loaded) and longer range. Recoil is as little as a 5.56.
I don't know if there are piston AR-15 custom shops, but I would look into them. I don't know much about the LWRC either, but some info on the SCAR-16s.
Running a M4-2000 on a16 there is of course a significant difference in fouling between suppressed and unsuppressed. Suppressed, most of the fouling is coming from the breech due to the excess backpressure. I think you'll see similar fouling regardless of the platform assuming similar operating systems (short stroke piston).
For comparing the SCAR to DI guns, obviously a DI gun would be even worse. If I had to guess I would say that at least 75% of the fouling in the action could be attributed to the breech vs the gas tube in a suppressed DI gun. There is some junk in the receiver and on the magazines, but that's from the breech. None of it gets in my face, when I pull the trigger. When I fire my AR's suppressed everything comes back through the bolt carrier and into my face, through the charging handle. I put PRI Gas Busters on them and that helps some but you still get gassed. The SCAR is a perfect platform for a suppressor, it was designed for them...
For comparing the SCAR to DI guns, obviously a DI gun would be even worse. If I had to guess I would say that at least 75% of the fouling in the action could be attributed to the breech vs the gas tube in a suppressed DI gun. There is some junk in the receiver and on the magazines, but that's from the breech. None of it gets in my face, when I pull the trigger. When I fire my AR's suppressed everything comes back through the bolt carrier and into my face, through the charging handle. I put PRI Gas Busters on them and that helps some but you still get gassed. The SCAR is a perfect platform for a suppressor, it was designed for them...
I prefer my SCAR 16 overall. It's lighter, points faster, and it is softer shooting. But it's a close call. I still like my LWRC IC a lot and have had good results with it and my other LWRC guns (I have 2 REPRs: 16 and 20in). On a side note, I like my REPR 16in over my SCAR 17, even though it's heavier. It just shoots better than the SCAR. Also, my SCAR 17 has had a few FTE FTF over its lifetime, my LWRCs however have never had a malfunction of any kind.
I agree with Diprivan1, havent had extensive time on a scar-16 but they are light not as cumbersome as they look and great guns.
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