Scientific reasons for waiting to get the COVID vaccine

[BytorJr]

Interesting thread. Here's my take:
1) Fraudi should be hanged like they did to those in Nuremburg! Or maybe he'll go out like that pufter Herman Goering.

2) I will not have the mRNA vaccine. These protein spikes are a bit scary IMO. From my understanding these things cause a lot of issues in humans when running amok. I personally do not think we have a good enough understanding at this point to use them (mRNA) except in extreme cases (knowing it's an experimental drug...yet, this is being pushed as fully vetted). If I had life threatening cancer; then hell yes, sign me up for experimental drugs if I'm a lost cause with normal treatment.

3) To say that there are limited side effects ( "not extreme") is just bullshit. DYING is not a limited side effect. Sure, people die of vaccines and have for years, but VAERS shows that dying is EXTREMELY rare with most vaccines...but not with this new vaccine. Just go look at VAERS and read the data...and at the same time...keep in mind this is VERY short term data. We are a cocky species of creature and think that we have found a panacea because "we are so smart."

4) Certainly I fully support limited trials of mRNA vaccines; but only when we fully understand the side effects LONG TERM (5,10,15,20 years) then and only then do I believe I'd be interested. There is GREAT potential here; and I mean great. But rushing something out is a recipe for disaster. As a firearms analogy I'll reference Remington R51 as released too soon.

5) Unless computer modeling has gotten so much better in microbiology and MILLIONS, if not BILLIONS, of Monte Carlo runs have been made on interactions - screw that!!!!!!!! (Keeping in mind, the results are only as good as the truth model).

 

[supercorndogs]

So just to be clear, you believe that 87 counties worked in secret coordinating with each other to over exaggerate the pandemic, implement lockdowns, trash their economies, misinform on death counts, create faked images and faked local public reporting.

You also believe that this was all done just to bolster the democratic party in the United States and make our President look bad?

Seems to me, that with that much power and effort they could have been a little more overt about it.

Who told all of those 87 countries what to do? Who pushed lockdowns, who made fraudulent papers telling us safe viable treatments, were both not safe and didn't work?

If you don't understand we have been misinformed on death counts yet, you are stunningly misinformed.

Fake images of what? Yes they created fake public reporting by using PCR tests, a test they know doesn't work for deterring viruses in people, and a test that caused a fake whooping cough pandemic in 2007 or 2009 I believe. On top of that the cycled PCR tests way to many times.

 

[supercorndogs]

Interesting thread. Here's my take:
1) Fraudi should be hanged like they did to those in Nuremburg! Or maybe he'll go out like that pufter Herman Goering.

2) I will not have the mRNA vaccine. These protein spikes are a bit scary IMO. From my understanding these things cause a lot of issues in humans when running amok. I personally do not think we have a good enough understanding at this point to use them (mRNA) except in extreme cases (knowing it's an experimental drug...yet, this is being pushed as fully vetted). If I had life threatening cancer; then hell yes, sign me up for experimental drugs if I'm a lost cause with normal treatment.

3) To say that there are limited side effects ( "not extreme") is just bullshit. DYING is not a limited side effect. Sure, people die of vaccines and have for years, but VAERS shows that dying is EXTREMELY rare with most vaccines...but not with this new vaccine. Just go look at VAERS and read the data...and at the same time...keep in mind this is VERY short term data. We are a cocky species of creature and think that we have found a panacea because "we are so smart."

4) Certainly I fully support limited trials of mRNA vaccines; but only when we fully understand the side effects LONG TERM (5,10,15,20 years) then and only then do I believe I'd be interested. There is GREAT potential here; and I mean great. But rushing something out is a recipe for disaster. As a firearms analogy I'll reference Remington R51 as released too soon.

5) Unless computer modeling has gotten so much better in microbiology and MILLIONS, if not BILLIONS, of Monte Carlo runs have been made on interactions - screw that!!!!!!!! (Keeping in mind, the results are only as good as the truth model).

I agree with a lot of your take on things, but everyone keeps repeating this line. "If I was at a high risk."

We have safe viable treatments. The emergency authorization for these experimental jabs should have been removed already. You don't need to be a test subject if you are high risk. We have multiple different treatments that don't kill you like waiting until you are dying to seek treatment, and then being put on a ventilator.

The people I know who had "unknown viral lung infections," that the Dr. he had been seeing a lot of before two weeks to flatten the curve, were given simple antivirals. {Tamiflu} And sent home, and told most people do fine, but some were getting pneumonia.

 

[mrtoyz]

So just to be clear, you believe that 87 counties worked in secret coordinating with each other to over exaggerate the pandemic, implement lockdowns, trash their economies, misinform on death counts, create faked images and faked local public reporting.

You also believe that this was all done just to bolster the democratic party in the United States and make our President look bad?

Seems to me, that with that much power and effort they could have been a little more overt about it.

Wow. You need a reality check. They couldn’t be much more overt. Maybe spend some time researching facts rather than getting your news from MSM, Facebook or Twitter.

 

[918v]

I am sure that, in your mind, that is the case.

What did I say that is false, in your mind?

 

[RGStory]

Wow. You need a reality check. They couldn’t be much more overt. Maybe spend some time researching facts rather than getting your news from MSM, Facebook or Twitter.

Psht. I do not have twitter or facebook.
I was getting my information from the Bear Pit:

The OFFICIAL 'Wuhan' Coronavirus outbreak information and tracking thread. NARRATIVE CHANGE. "Endemic, just like the cold". Cuomo regrets lockdown.

^ this makes me wonder what the numbers are going to be like, in a month.

www.snipershide.com

 

[Doc68]

I agree with a lot of your take on things, but everyone keeps repeating this line. "If I was at a high risk."

We have safe viable treatments. The emergency authorization for these experimental jabs should have been removed already. You don't need to be a test subject if you are high risk. We have multiple different treatments that don't kill you like waiting until the you are dying to seek treatment, and then being put on a ventilator.

The people I know who had an "unknown viral lung infections," that the Dr. he had been seeing a lot of before two weeks to flatten the curve, were given simple antivirals. {Tamiflu} And sent home, and told most people do fine, but some were getting pneumonia.

Yes PCR is not viable amd the first time I ever heard of it being used. Anything more than 20 times is so small of an amount, that it cant be used to spread to others. They were cycling test up to 40 times and then using a "positive" test to report.

And if they got pneumonia, give them a Z-pack or other cheap anti-biotics.

Doc

 

[seanh]

So just to be clear, you believe that 87 counties worked in secret coordinating with each other to over exaggerate the pandemic, implement lockdowns, trash their economies, misinform on death counts, create faked images and faked local public reporting.

You also believe that this was all done just to bolster the democratic party in the United States and make our President look bad?

Seems to me, that with that much power and effort they could have been a little more overt about it.

They could be explained to you just not understood for you.

This isn't specifically about the Democratic Party. This is about global control of money, business and did general ignorant masses.

The Democratic Party is always been about dividing and breaking this nation. This scared demick on a global scale was their opportunity to putting the final nail in the coffin.

Who? Deep state, Cabal or whatever you want to call them....Those that control government, money education, religion. Mock the conspiracies and they win, educate yourself they dont

 

[Choid]

What did I say that is false, in your mind?

Like I said, there is more nuance to it. Yes, the deaths were overstated, but the degree of overstatement is not near what you are implying, and the number of people who would have died anyway is exponentially lower than your remark that "they would have all died from the flu."

I don't think it would have been "swept under the rug" if Trump weren't President. I think the media and Dem governors would have handled it very differently, but I also think it was a legit deadly pandemic that has affected almost every country on the globe.

I don't think they pulled a vaccine out of their ass, and while I admit I have clearly understated the side effects of it to some degree, I do not consider it to be a dangerous drug to take. They have also not forced it on anybody. Maybe I should add a yet to that, but it has been completely voluntary as of now.

I don't know if it is criminal, and I don't think I fell for anything hook, line and sinker. If it makes you feel better, most of my leftwing friends consider me a covid denier, and I have pretty much the same positions with them, though I admit I do tend to take a bit of an oppositional point of view with everybody.

So, honestly, I'd say that you are doing a bit what they did. They took a lot of true things, and expanded them into a significant lie. You are kind of doing the same thing. What people don't seem to get is that out of whole cloth lying generally isn't effective. It is the marginal lying that works really well, and that is what I believe happened here, and it was effective.

 

[Doc68]

So just to be clear, you believe that 87 counties worked in secret coordinating with each other to over exaggerate the pandemic, implement lockdowns, trash their economies, misinform on death counts, create faked images and faked local public reporting.

You also believe that this was all done just to bolster the democratic party in the United States and make our President look bad?

Seems to me, that with that much power and effort they could have been a little more overt about it.

Last year was the largest redistribution of wealth ever in the history of america.
The people lost 3.7 trillion and low and behold major corporations such as Amazon, walmart and other large chain stores gained 3.9 trillion.

Why would a store that allowed to have 250 people in it be allowed to stay open versus a mom and pop shop that held between 5-10 people.

Which place holds a higher chance of contracting this covid....think about that for a minute amd as to why it was allowed to happen.

If you havent heard there are many groups out there trying to push this green energy and not owning anything by 2030, in other words this was a huge sham.

Doc

 

[RGStory]

Mock the conspiracies and they win, educate yourself they dont

"Verity needs proofs proportioned to their difficulty."
-Thomas Jefferson, 1808

 

[seanh]

"Verity needs proofs proportioned to their difficulty."
-Thomas Jefferson, 1808

As long as proof that is desirable needs to be spoon-fed, the seekers of proof will always be sheep.

 

[supercorndogs]

Yes PCR is not viable amd the first time I ever heard of it being used. Anything more than 20 times is so small of an amount, that it cant be used to spread to others. They were cycling test up to 40 times and then using a "positive" test to report.

And if they got pneumonia, give them a Z-pack or other cheap anti-biotics.

Doc

Faith in Quick Test Leads to Epidemic That Wasn’t (Published 2007)

Experts say tests that led to a false alarm at a New Hampshire hospital are coming into increasing use.

www.nytimes.com

COVID-19: Do We Have a Coronavirus Pandemic, or a PCR Test Pandemic?

Will the huge rollout of COVID tests help end the pandemic—or assure that it will never end? We have had pseudo-epidemics before. In 2006, much of Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center was shut down, …

aapsonline.org

 

[918v]

Like I said, there is more nuance to it. Yes, the deaths were overstated, but the degree of overstatement is not near what you are implying, and the number of people who would have died anyway is exponentially lower than your remark that "they would have all died from the flu."

I don't think it would have been "swept under the rug" if Trump weren't President. I think the media and Dem governors would have handled it very differently, but I also think it was a legit deadly pandemic that has affected almost every country on the globe.

I don't think they pulled a vaccine out of their ass, and while I admit I have clearly understated the side effects of it to some degree, I do not consider it to be a dangerous drug to take. They have also not forced it on anybody. Maybe I should add a yet to that, but it has been completely voluntary as of now.

I don't know if it is criminal, and I don't think I fell for anything hook, line and sinker. If it makes you feel better, most of my leftwing friends consider me a covid denier, and I have pretty much the same positions with them, though I admit I do tend to take a bit of an oppositional point of view with everybody.

So, honestly, I'd say that you are doing a bit what they did. They took a lot of true things, and expanded them into a significant lie. You are kind of doing the same thing. What people don't seem to get is that out of whole cloth lying generally isn't effective. It is the marginal lying that works really well, and that is what I believe happened here, and it was effective.

You are naive.

There was a coordinated effort to overstate the deaths and to suppress alternative treatment of this illness. You have to be retarded or a CNN only viewer not to have seen it. There were stories left and right about false positives, outright fraud (didn’t some official send a a-tip with fruit juice to a lab and it came back positive? You missed that one?) or how about the one about the aunt of a NY Supreme Court judge who was falsely labeled as a COVID death? The fraud was intentional and rampant.

You don’t think it would have been swept under the rug? It was in 2010. What makes you think it wouldn’t have been in 2020?

The vaccine. They had it ready to go in Dec 2020. They had
tested it in animals and knew it was dangerous. The animals developed antibodies but once exposed to the virus in the wild they were unable to fight it off or their immune system overreacted and killed them. They could never bring this to market without an emergency authorization plus immunity from lawsuits. The 6000 plus people who are dead right now as a result of this vaccine would have bankrupted them.

My dad had a severe reaction to the second dose of the vaccine. It took a month of meds to get him back to normal. Nothing like this has ever happened with all the previous vaccinations and he and I had plenty.

So please fuck off with this comparing me to them. I’m not doing what they’re doing. I’m reminding people of what they did.

 

[Choid]

You are naive.

There was a coordinated effort to overstate the deaths and to suppress alternative treatment of this illness. You have to be retarded or a CNN only viewer not to have seen it. There were stories left and right about false positives, outright fraud (didn’t some official send a a-tip with fruit juice to a lab and it came back positive? You missed that one?) or how about the one about the aunt of a NY Supreme Court judge who was falsely labeled as a COVID death? The fraud was intentional and rampant.

You don’t think it would have been swept under the rug? It was in 2010. What makes you think it wouldn’t have been in 2020?

The vaccine. They had it ready to go in Dec 2020. They had
tested it in animals and knew it was dangerous. The animals developed antibodies but once exposed to the virus in the wild they were unable to fight it off or their immune system overreacted and killed them. They could never bring this to market without an emergency authorization plus immunity from lawsuits. The 6000 plus people who are dead right now as a result of this vaccine would have bankrupted them.

My dad had a severe reaction to the second dose of the vaccine. It took a month of meds to get him back to normal. Nothing like this has ever happened with all the previous vaccinations and he and I had plenty.

So please fuck off with this comparing me to them. I’m not doing what they’re doing. I’m reminding people of what they did.

I guess I am a naive, retarded, CNN only viewer.

I hope your father gets better. My mother also had a terrible vaccine reaction. She is doing much better now.

 

[theLBC]

I guess I am a naive, retarded, CNN only viewer.

I hope your father gets better. My mother also had a terrible vaccine reaction. She is doing much better now.

 

[Numb_Skull]

Just remember that napalm sticks to "fully-vaccinated" kids too.

 

[Choid]

Well, she is clearly retarded. That doesn't make the other wrongheaded beliefs about the vaccine smart, though. The opposite of stupid is often stupid as well.

 

[MtnGhost]

6000 people died from the vaccine in 6 months. At that rate it will be 12,000 by the end of the year. if we factor in comorbidity, then 600,000 people died from the vaccine and millions will die by the time this is over.

9,048 as of July 2, https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-vaers-deaths-reported-covid-vaccines/ .. but the CDC/NIH admitted in earlier documentation that most injuries and fatalities are not reported to VAERS.

Also https://stateofthenation.co/?p=63966

 

[AngryKoala]

And today I set a new record for consecutive days lived.

But how many consecutive days without accidents? My counter reset after I decided to squat at the gym and shit myself.

 

[AngryKoala]

What the hell do people mean when they say it is not a vaccine? I am not aware that the only two possibilities for something being a vaccine are killed and live. Do people realize that the threshold for vaccine efficacy has always been 50%? BUT PEOPLE CAN STILL GET COVID really isn't a great argument.

Oxford definition of a vaccine
"a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease."

 

[Dunraven]

My liberal neighbor is now claiming (on social media) that NOT getting the jab is 'unpatriotic'. To me, the most unpatriotic act these days is being a liberal(aka communist), or voting for one. Will have to start addressing her as comrade. This may be my last post since she may kick my ass.

 

[Dunraven]

You are naive.

There was a coordinated effort to overstate the deaths and to suppress alternative treatment of this illness. You have to be retarded or a CNN only viewer not to have seen it. There were stories left and right about false positives, outright fraud (didn’t some official send a a-tip with fruit juice to a lab and it came back positive? You missed that one?) or how about the one about the aunt of a NY Supreme Court judge who was falsely labeled as a COVID death? The fraud was intentional and rampant.

You don’t think it would have been swept under the rug? It was in 2010. What makes you think it wouldn’t have been in 2020?

The vaccine. They had it ready to go in Dec 2020. They had
tested it in animals and knew it was dangerous. The animals developed antibodies but once exposed to the virus in the wild they were unable to fight it off or their immune system overreacted and killed them. They could never bring this to market without an emergency authorization plus immunity from lawsuits. The 6000 plus people who are dead right now as a result of this vaccine would have bankrupted them.

My dad had a severe reaction to the second dose of the vaccine. It took a month of meds to get him back to normal. Nothing like this has ever happened with all the previous vaccinations and he and I had plenty.

So please fuck off with this comparing me to them. I’m not doing what they’re doing. I’m reminding people of what they did.

I remember a news story out of florida, where 300 testing stations were reporting 100% positives. Sounds like a trial run for counting votes.

 

[Nik H]

Seems to me, that with that much power and effort they could have been a little more overt about it.

It is called hiding in plain sight...

They were as overt as they could get w/o actually telling you that is what they are doing...

Despots always tell you what they are going to do, the victims never listen.

Good luck with being a victim

 

[918v]

Oxford definition of a vaccine
"a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease."

It doesn’t matter what the definition is. Turds will redefine words on the fly to suit their political goals.

 

[theLBC]

It doesn’t matter what the definition is. Turds will redefine words on the fly to suit their political goals.

and it doesn't stimulate the production of antibodies, like the polio vaccine for example, it codes for a protein in the virus.
they hope this causes production of antibodies.

 

[jakelly]

… I don't think they pulled a vaccine out of their ass, and while I admit I have clearly understated the side effects of it to some degree, I do not consider it to be a dangerous drug to take. They have also not forced it on anybody. (1) Maybe I should add a yet to that, but it has been completely voluntary as of now…
… They took a lot of true things, and expanded them into a significant lie. You are kind of doing the same thing. (2) What people don't seem to get is that out of whole cloth lying generally isn't effective. It is the marginal lying that works really well, and that is what I believe happened here, and it was effective.

(1) Completely voluntary? Please define that term. There have been unfair and deceptive trade practices used, and some of these tactics would nullify a criminal confession, so I’m curious what line of demarcation you’re using.

(2) Out of whole cloth lying isn’t generally effective, because the liar isn’t powerful enough. Components of the deception can be verified or falsified by others. Those others generally have access to present their findings, courts to redress grievances, and the liar is liable.

When the liar controls the means to evaluate his claims, the press is complicit, public speech is censored, courts dismiss due to lack of standing, and liability is removed at the outset, how effective is whole cloth lying. Seems to me if power were consolidated enough, you could call yourself a god, or say you went to the moon.

 

[Im2bent]

It doesn’t matter what the definition is. Turds will redefine words on the fly to suit their political goals.

Webster already has

Definition of VACCINE

a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease: such as… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[AngryKoala]

It doesn’t matter what the definition is. Turds will redefine words on the fly to suit their political goals.

I was just trying to help our intellectual highness whom apparently lacks the mental faculties to perform a quick Google search. He goes by choad or fuck stain (Credit to @pmclaine).

 

[Choid]

(1) Completely voluntary? Please define that term. There have been unfair and deceptive trade practices used, and some of these tactics would nullify a criminal confession, so I’m curious what line of demarcation you’re using.

(2) Out of whole cloth lying isn’t generally effective, because the liar isn’t powerful enough. Components of the deception can be verified or falsified by others. Those others generally have access to present their findings, courts to redress grievances, and the liar is liable.

When the liar controls the means to evaluate his claims, the press is complicit, public speech is censored, courts dismiss due to lack of standing, and liability is removed at the outset, how effective is whole cloth lying. Seems to me if power were consolidated enough, you could call yourself a god, or say you went to the moon.

1) The pressure has consisted of only carrots, no sticks. You'd have to define the unfair and deceptive trade practices used. That really is outside my framework of knowledge as a broad concept, but maybe if you had particular instances.

2) Yes, I guess in a North Korea environment you can lie about anything you want if you have to power to enforce your lie. In the world in which we live, successful liars do much more embellishing and shading than they do outright lying. A lot of the Covid stuff makes for great example, but the core realities of Covid are strong enough to make the huge lie arguments like the ones made here seem ridiculous. On the other hand, attacks on the actual discrepancies between reality and Covid have gained a lot of traction. Things like the lab leak hypothesis, the ineffectiveness of lockdowns, the issues around schools and the teachers unions, even putting an end to a lot of the voting law changes.

I realize in the second paragraph on lies you are addressing the election as well. Can we just keep it to one subject per thread where everybody in the Bear Pit thinks I am a fucking idiot?

 

[Choid]

I was just trying to help our intellectual highness whom apparently lacks the mental faculties to perform a quick Google search. He goes by choad or fuck stain (Credit to @pmclaine).

Big mad.

 

[RGStory]

It is called hiding in plain sight...

They were as overt as they could get w/o actually telling you that is what they are doing...

Despots always tell you what they are going to do, the victims never listen.

Good luck with being a victim

Regarding the global conspiracy of a fake virus to bring down our President...

This scenario would require countries as diverse as Iran, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, to put aside their difference and come to an agreement. Good news for Middle East peace talks.

It would need to be done in coordination with Vietnam, India, Australia, China Japan, and S. Korea. Great news for South East Asian cooperation.

This list would need to include Russia, Ukraine, Mongolia, Germany and Georgia on that list.

All of this done in a matter of weeks? Seems a bit of stretch when they can't even come to an agreement on OPEC prices.

This occurred when President Trump enjoyed strong approval in S. Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Malaysia and the Philippines?

Moreover, all of these countries, after this "secret détente" were successful in going back to their home countries and convincing hundreds of thousands of health professionals and regional party leaders to include opposition parties within their own countries to come to an agreement that they would sow disinformation and doctor images with false reporting to spread misinformation around the globe? You propose that the vast majority of these people were on board with this?

I'm sorry, but no. The world is a little bigger and dysfunctional than that. If Skynet already had that power, it would have launched the nukes.

The simpler explanation was that the virus was deadlier in some places than others. It was scary enough that countries started acting in their own self interests and shuttered their borders.

About the Vaccine not being as effective or safe as some are telling us? Of course, that is a discussion worth having and the purpose of the thread.

You want to talk about about our own domestic leaders following Rahm Emanuel's advice to “never want a serious crisis to go to waste.", for the purpose of eroding our freedoms and violating the Constitution? Absolutely. That discussion must be had.

 

[Im2bent]

Regarding the global conspiracy of a fake virus to bring down our President...

This scenario would require countries as diverse as Iran, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, to put aside their difference and come to an agreement. Good news for Middle East peace talks.

It would need to be done in coordination with Vietnam, India, Australia, China Japan, and S. Korea. Great news for South East Asian cooperation.

This list would need to include Russia, Ukraine, Mongolia, Germany and Georgia on that list.

All of this done in a matter of weeks? Seems a bit of stretch when they can't even come to an agreement on OPEC prices.

This occurred when President Trump enjoyed strong approval in S. Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Malaysia and the Philippines?

Moreover, all of these countries, after this "secret détente" were successful in going back to their home countries and convincing hundreds of thousands of health professionals and regional party leaders to include opposition parties within their own countries to come to an agreement that they would sow disinformation and doctor images with false reporting to spread misinformation around the globe? You propose that the vast majority of these people were on board with this?

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I'm sorry, but no. The world is a little bigger and dysfunctional than that. If Skynet already had that power, it would have launched the nukes.

The simpler explanation was that the virus was deadlier in some places than others. It was scary enough that countries started acting in their own self interests and shuttered their borders.

About the Vaccine not being as effective or safe as some are telling us? Of course, that is a discussion worth having and the purpose of the thread.

You want to talk about about our own domestic leaders following Rahm Emanuel's advice to “never want a serious crisis to go to waste.", for the purpose of eroding our freedoms and violating the Constitution? Absolutely. That discussion must be had.

The countries you mentioned are simply collateral damage. For the greater good.....

 

[Doc68]

Regarding the global conspiracy of a fake virus to bring down our President...

This scenario would require countries as diverse as Iran, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, to put aside their difference and come to an agreement. Good news for Middle East peace talks.

It would need to be done in coordination with Vietnam, India, Australia, China Japan, and S. Korea. Great news for South East Asian cooperation.

This list would need to include Russia, Ukraine, Mongolia, Germany and Georgia on that list.

All of this done in a matter of weeks? Seems a bit of stretch when they can't even come to an agreement on OPEC prices.

This occurred when President Trump enjoyed strong approval in S. Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Malaysia and the Philippines?

Moreover, all of these countries, after this "secret détente" were successful in going back to their home countries and convincing hundreds of thousands of health professionals and regional party leaders to include opposition parties within their own countries to come to an agreement that they would sow disinformation and doctor images with false reporting to spread misinformation around the globe? You propose that the vast majority of these people were on board with this?

View attachment 7666523

I'm sorry, but no. The world is a little bigger and dysfunctional than that. If Skynet already had that power, it would have launched the nukes.

The simpler explanation was that the virus was deadlier in some places than others. It was scary enough that countries started acting in their own self interests and shuttered their borders.

About the Vaccine not being as effective or safe as some are telling us? Of course, that is a discussion worth having and the purpose of the thread.

You want to talk about about our own domestic leaders following Rahm Emanuel's advice to “never want a serious crisis to go to waste.", for the purpose of eroding our freedoms and violating the Constitution? Absolutely. That discussion must be had.

How many deaths did you hear about from the ME? All I ever heard was europe and the US and of course china.

We heard about Israel, but never about iraq, syria, iran, Saudis, or Kuwait or Jordan. Please tell me why.

How many deaths occurred in Africa?

We heard about russia but never any of the old satellite countries.

We heard about europe, our allies.

Funny how we heard about our supposed allies but never about our enemies or countries that cpuldnt do anything for us.

Doc

 

[918v]

1) The pressure has consisted of only carrots, no sticks. You'd have to define the unfair and deceptive trade practices used. That really is outside my framework of knowledge as a broad concept, but maybe if you had particular instances.

2) Yes, I guess in a North Korea environment you can lie about anything you want if you have to power to enforce your lie. In the world in which we live, successful liars do much more embellishing and shading than they do outright lying. A lot of the Covid stuff makes for great example, but the core realities of Covid are strong enough to make the huge lie arguments like the ones made here seem ridiculous. On the other hand, attacks on the actual discrepancies between reality and Covid have gained a lot of traction. Things like the lab leak hypothesis, the ineffectiveness of lockdowns, the issues around schools and the teachers unions, even putting an end to a lot of the voting law changes.

I realize in the second paragraph on lies you are addressing the election as well. Can we just keep it to one subject per thread where everybody in the Bear Pit thinks I am a fucking idiot?

1. You call not getting fired a carrot?

2. When you have control of all the major institutions it is easy to lie and call people who object to your lies crazy conspiracy theorists.

 

[theLBC]

COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness—the elephant (not) in the room

Approximately 96 COVID-19 vaccines are at various stages of clinical development.1 At present, we have the interim results of four studies published in scientific journals (on the Pfizer–BioNTech BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine,2 the Moderna–US National Institutes of Health [NIH] mRNA-1273 vaccine,3 the...

www.thelancet.com

This means in a real-life setting, 1·8 times more subjects might need to be vaccinated to prevent one more case of COVID-19 than predicted in the corresponding clinical trial.

 

[E. Bryant]

How many deaths did you hear about from the ME? All I ever heard was europe and the US and of course china.

We heard about Israel, but never about iraq, syria, iran, Saudis, or Kuwait or Jordan. Please tell me why.

How many deaths occurred in Africa?

We heard about russia but never any of the old satellite countries.

We heard about europe, our allies.

Funny how we heard about our supposed allies but never about our enemies or countries that cpuldnt do anything for us.

Doc

Iran has been in the news since very early in the pandemic, because they have generally gotten hit fairly hard:

Iran COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Iran Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

Generally speaking, though, I'm not sure that I'd look towards any specific country in the ME or Africa, or the region as a whole, for transparent and accurate reporting of health care statistics

There is some fascinating data on excess deaths in certain SE Asian countries in the 2019-'20 "flu season" which hints strongly at a prior cycle of this virus and thus some level of community immunity by the official onset of the pandemic, but that doesn't fit the official narrative or any of the more common alternative theories so let's just skip that discussion for now and save everyone some time.

 

[RGStory]

How many deaths did you hear about from the ME? All I ever heard was europe and the US and of course china.

We heard about Israel, but never about iraq, syria, iran, Saudis, or Kuwait or Jordan. Please tell me why.

How many deaths occurred in Africa?

We heard about russia but never any of the old satellite countries.

We heard about europe, our allies.

Funny how we heard about our supposed allies but never about our enemies or countries that cpuldnt do anything for us.

Doc

I really don't want to contribute to derailing this thread any further. Perhaps "The global conspiracy to fake a virus in order to make President Trump look bad" would be a good topic for a new thread.

To briefly answer your questions,
Sub Saharan Africa is reportedly dealing with a variant known as "501Y.V2". It has not reached the United States yet. Here is a picture of a Sub-Saharan Covid-19 mass grave site:

Saudi Arabia, believed it enough to halt foreign pilgrimage to Mecca. See a picture from this year's pilgrimage:

Jordan appears to be better off, but they implemented lockdowns and an early response plan that included nightly curfews and shelter in place orders. They still are reporting deaths in the thousand and have extreme travel restrictions.

As for Syria? I guess the activity of rolling barrel bombs down market squares took priority out of counting who died of what. Still, they did take some measures and implemented nighttime curfews.

Georgia implemented temperature checks and quarantines for new arrivals before the first case was reported in the country. Every two weeks 20% of social service workers receive random screening for Covid. They just recently locked down all their restaurants and public gathering places again, but are looking to reopen them soon.

I would hazard to guess that the reason we don't hear about them in the United States, is because Americans don't closely follow the local news of those regions anyways.

My assertion is that most countries are treating the virus as real.

 

[Im2bent]

I really don't want to contribute to derailing this thread any further. Perhaps "The global conspiracy to fake a virus in order to make President Trump look bad" would be a good topic for a new thread.

To briefly answer your questions,
Sub Saharan Africa is reportedly dealing with a variant known as "501Y.V2". It has not reached the United States yet. Here is a picture of a Sub-Saharan Covid-19 mass grave site:
View attachment 7666553


Saudi Arabia, believed it enough to halt foreign pilgrimage to Mecca. See a picture from this year's pilgrimage:
View attachment 7666554

Jordan appears to be better off, but they implemented lockdowns and an early response plan that included nightly curfews and shelter in place orders. They still are reporting deaths in the thousand and have extreme travel restrictions.

View attachment 7666557

As for Syria? I guess the activity of rolling barrel bombs down market squares took priority out of counting who died of what. Still, they did take some measures and implemented nighttime curfews.

View attachment 7666567

Georgia implemented temperature checks and quarantines for new arrivals before the first case was reported in the country. Every two weeks 20% of social service workers receive random screening for Covid. They just recently locked down all their restaurants and public gathering places again, but are looking to reopen them soon.

I would hazard to guess that the reason we don't hear about them in the United States, is because Americans don't closely follow the local news of those regions anyways.

My assertion is that most countries are treating the virus as real.

Right....sub Sahara mass grave sites are full of walnut coffins lulz....or is that cocabola?

 

[jakelly]

1) The pressure has consisted of only carrots, no sticks. You'd have to define the unfair and deceptive trade practices used. That really is outside my framework of knowledge as a broad concept, but maybe if you had particular instances.

2) Yes, I guess in a North Korea environment you can lie about anything you want if you have to power to enforce your lie. In the world in which we live, successful liars do much more embellishing and shading than they do outright lying. A lot of the Covid stuff makes for great example, but the core realities of Covid are strong enough to make the huge lie arguments like the ones made here seem ridiculous. On the other hand, attacks on the actual discrepancies between reality and Covid have gained a lot of traction. Things like the lab leak hypothesis, the ineffectiveness of lockdowns, the issues around schools and the teachers unions, even putting an end to a lot of the voting law changes.

I realize in the second paragraph on lies you are addressing the election as well. Can we just keep it to one subject per thread where everybody in the Bear Pit thinks I am a fucking idiot?

(1) You don’t know any core realities of COVID-19. You are regurgitating information you cannot verify the same as everyone else. None of us know anything. Who has seen the virus? Who knows there is no immunity, that it’s extremely contagious, that it’s deadly to what percentage of which group? The answer is no one. We trust what we trust for our own reasons.

For me this is more fruit of the poison tree. The tree being poisonous is historical fact, why anyone would inject themselves with something the powerful incentivize with a lottery ticket while threatening with job loss is beyond my comprehension. I guess some people think murderous tyranny is actually dead. I believe the Lord rose from the dead according to the scriptures so I don’t suffer from that infirmity.

(2) The election didn’t even cross my mind. I’m talking in general about how lying at a government level of power works.

 

[Choid]

(1) You don’t know any core realities of COVID-19. You are regurgitating information you cannot verify the same as everyone else. None of us know anything. Who has seen the virus? Who knows there is no immunity, that it’s extremely contagious, that it’s deadly to what percentage of which group? The answer is no one. We trust what we trust for our own reasons.

For me this is more fruit of the poison tree. The tree being poisonous is historical fact, why anyone would inject themselves with something the powerful incentivize with a lottery ticket while threatening with job loss is beyond my comprehension. I guess some people think murderous tyranny is actually dead. I believe the Lord rose from the dead according to the scriptures so I don’t suffer from that infirmity.

(2) The election didn’t even cross my mind. I’m talking in general about how lying at a government level of power works.

OK, I will stipulate to the fact that our "knowledge" of Covid falls far short of actual truth, despite strong truth claims from many people. I actually enjoy your reasoning. Not being facetious, I think it is thought provoking.

 

[jakelly]

OK, I will stipulate to the fact that our "knowledge" of Covid falls far short of actual truth, despite strong truth claims from many people. I actually enjoy your reasoning. Not being facetious, I think it is thought provoking.

For me, that one fact is sufficient to dismiss vaccination as an option.

 

[Choid]

For me, that one fact is sufficient to dismiss vaccination as an option.

I respect that, not that you need me to.

 

[pmclaine]

I was in Boston yesterday.

Waiting in the rain at either "THE" most popular pizza place or the second most popular pizza place. Which is tops depends on how much you like or dislike sitting with the real people from the Sopranos.

As Im waiting, kind of pissed off because they fucked up our take out order, a guy stands beside me and lets out

Guy - "Sigh, I guess Covid is all over."

Me - "Was it ever a thing?"

Guy - "Oh! Its real. My sister died from it."

Guessing this is where I was supposed to say "I am so sorry for your loss. This is horrible."

Instead I said.

Me - "Flu kills 60-70,000 per year also and we never shut down a whole economy for it. Ridiculous!"

Conversation ended.

Thinking on it now atypical for me to say but Fuck him and his loss.

 

[Choid]

I was in Boston yesterday.

Waiting in the rain at either "THE" most popular pizza place or the second most popular pizza place. Which is tops depends on how much you like or dislike sitting with the real people from the Sopranos.

As Im waiting, kind of pissed off because they fucked up our take out order, a guy stands beside me and lets out

Guy - "Sigh, I guess Covid is all over."

Me - "Was it ever a thing?"

Guy - "Oh! Its real. My sister died from it."

Guessing this is where I was supposed to say "I am so sorry for your loss. This is horrible."

Instead I said.

Me - "Flu kills 60-70,000 per year also and we never shut down a whole economy for it. Ridiculous!"

Conversation ended.

Thinking on it now atypical for me to say but Fuck him and his loss.

Posting your Ls right here in front of God and everybody. Don't let your political beliefs destroy your soul.

 

[Bullfrog08]

(1) You don’t know any core realities of COVID-19. You are regurgitating information you cannot verify the same as everyone else. None of us know anything. Who has seen the virus? Who knows there is no immunity, that it’s extremely contagious, that it’s deadly to what percentage of which group? The answer is no one. We trust what we trust for our own reasons.

For me this is more fruit of the poison tree. The tree being poisonous is historical fact, why anyone would inject themselves with something the powerful incentivize with a lottery ticket while threatening with job loss is beyond my comprehension. I guess some people think murderous tyranny is actually dead. I believe the Lord rose from the dead according to the scriptures so I don’t suffer from that infirmity.

(2) The election didn’t even cross my mind. I’m talking in general about how lying at a government level of power works.

This has been my thinking the whole time. Hopefully, I am comprehending your statement correctly.

I can see my car's flat tire, I can see a blown head gasket, I can see the burn from the shorted wires, I can see the hole in the drywall, I can smell fruit, I can hear birds, I can feel when you poke me, I even read my own CT scan the other day and found my own Kidney stones. Please, show me the virus in the body, and then show me the virus in that body, his body, her body, their body, etc. Until then, it is like the word "love" or "beautiful art". Prove it, show it, or shut the fuck up! DON'T make me do shit, until you can show me SOMETHING! Don't tell me something, or show me some statistic, SHOW ME the virus! Prove it, then show me the proof!

 

[Im2bent]

I was in Boston yesterday.

Waiting in the rain at either "THE" most popular pizza place or the second most popular pizza place. Which is tops depends on how much you like or dislike sitting with the real people from the Sopranos.

As Im waiting, kind of pissed off because they fucked up our take out order, a guy stands beside me and lets out

Guy - "Sigh, I guess Covid is all over."

Me - "Was it ever a thing?"

Guy - "Oh! Its real. My sister died from it."

Guessing this is where I was supposed to say "I am so sorry for your loss. This is horrible."

Instead I said.

Me - "Flu kills 60-70,000 per year also and we never shut down a whole economy for it. Ridiculous!"

Conversation ended.

Thinking on it now atypical for me to say but Fuck him and his loss.

I think the correct response would be "Fuggetabout it" or however it is pronounced.

 

[theLBC]

 

[Doc68]

I really don't want to contribute to derailing this thread any further. Perhaps "The global conspiracy to fake a virus in order to make President Trump look bad" would be a good topic for a new thread.

To briefly answer your questions,
Sub Saharan Africa is reportedly dealing with a variant known as "501Y.V2". It has not reached the United States yet. Here is a picture of a Sub-Saharan Covid-19 mass grave site:
View attachment 7666553


Saudi Arabia, believed it enough to halt foreign pilgrimage to Mecca. See a picture from this year's pilgrimage:
View attachment 7666554

Jordan appears to be better off, but they implemented lockdowns and an early response plan that included nightly curfews and shelter in place orders. They still are reporting deaths in the thousand and have extreme travel restrictions.

View attachment 7666557

As for Syria? I guess the activity of rolling barrel bombs down market squares took priority out of counting who died of what. Still, they did take some measures and implemented nighttime curfews.

View attachment 7666567

Georgia implemented temperature checks and quarantines for new arrivals before the first case was reported in the country. Every two weeks 20% of social service workers receive random screening for Covid. They just recently locked down all their restaurants and public gathering places again, but are looking to reopen them soon.

I would hazard to guess that the reason we don't hear about them in the United States, is because Americans don't closely follow the local news of those regions anyways.

My assertion is that most countries are treating the virus as real.

And how many times did CNN use green screens for stories or fake them. I dont believe shit anymore from the MSM anymore.

We know deaths were over-reported amd positive cases were over reported due to financial gain

Fuck what the world is saying.

We had effective drugs that would have stopped this in its tracks amd all these countries banned their use.

So yeah I do believe in a global fake pandemic.....

Doc

 

[pmclaine]

Anyone have shorts on J&J.

Wondering who in Congress will be making bank.