Rifle Scopes Scope for F-class and Tactical?

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I want to shoot F T/R with a tactical rig. What is a great scope to cover both uses? I'd prefer not to spend $2000 unless that is the best way to go hands down. Was hoping something under a $1000 might work equally well for both.

Are there reticle size issues at 1000?
 
Re: Scope for F-class and Tactical?

Something in the 6-18, 5-20 or 6-24 range.
depends on your pocketbook and the size of bullet holes you are trying to see.
People usually use fine reticle for long range target work and mil-dot or a ranging reticle for tactical applications.
It also depends on the range of your f-class matches, some go out to 600 and beyond and some do not. Some people buy a high magnification scope and use it as a spotter, but dial down the power to shoot.
MANY target shooters like the Weaver target series. The Burris Black Diamond series is also a good option. Very nice glass but not really tactical in execution.
Some foks are very pleased with their Millet LRS-1 scopes and others curse the day that they bought them. Kind of iffy QC, but it has the magnification you want and the tactical applications also.
You may want to look into the Falcon Menace 5.5-25, it should cover both needs without breaking the bank.
 
Re: Scope for F-class and Tactical?

For F-Class, a fine SFP reticle and 1/4 or 1/8moa adjustments seem to be the best for me. For a dedicated F-Class rig, NF 8-32x56 NPR1 would be my pick. For dual use (F-Class/Tactical) NF5.5-22 NPR1 or NPR2 would be a nice compromise. IMO Mil adjustments can be a bit too coarse for F-Class (0.1mils = 3.6"@1000yds). Also, a FFP reticle seems too thick. I have a FFP MPR reticle and the reticle is barely narrower than the spotter at 1000yds. So it's difficult to make slight adjustments.
 
Re: Scope for F-class and Tactical?

Thanks for the replies. So with a SFP scope I will be compromising because the reticle probably will not be ideal for both 1K and shorter ranges and MilDot may be too course? Do I understand correctly?

I like the idea of F-Class as practice and fine tuning for tactical use. I like firearms for their real world usefulness, so if I spend the duckets to build an ideal rig, I will probably lean towards scopes that work for tactical but will not penalize me too dearly in F-Class. Thanks for all the advice. I may have to save my $$ for a NF.
 
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I can get a Pentax Lightseeker, 1" tube, 8.5-32x44 Mil Dot for cheap from a buddy. Anyone have any knowldege of these? I looked through it and it appears to be pretty clear at 8.5x and 32x. I'm thinking of getting this Pentax (for $250!)just because right now I've been shooting with an older Leupold 12x.

No idea if it is SFP or FFP. Or the range of adjustment.
 
Re: Scope for F-class and Tactical?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blue_ridge</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can get a Pentax Lightseeker, 1" tube, 8.5-32x44 Mil Dot for cheap from a buddy. Anyone have any knowldege of these? I looked through it and it appears to be pretty clear at 8.5x and 32x. I'm thinking of getting this Pentax (for $250!)just because right now I've been shooting with an older Leupold 12x.

No idea if it is SFP or FFP. Or the range of adjustment. </div></div>

1" tubes don't have much adjustment... as for FFP or SFP... look through it... zoom in and out.. does the reticle get larger and smaller?? If NOT then it is SFP.

Thanks,
- Koshy
 
Re: Scope for F-class and Tactical?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: blue_ridge</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I can get a Pentax Lightseeker, 1" tube, 8.5-32x44 Mil Dot for cheap from a buddy. Anyone have any knowldege of these? I looked through it and it appears to be pretty clear at 8.5x and 32x. I'm thinking of getting this Pentax (for $250!)just because right now I've been shooting with an older Leupold 12x.

No idea if it is SFP or FFP. Or the range of adjustment. </div></div>

Iwould take the good advice given and run with it as it is simply good solid advice!! Nightforce
 
Re: Scope for F-class and Tactical?

I am leaning towards Nightforce, but will need to save money (sell off some things) first. This Pentax will cost me very little so i thought I might buy it as a temporary solution, then re-sell it when i get close to the NF purchase. Thanks guys.
 
Re: Scope for F-class and Tactical?

Sightron has their new scope out soon 10-50

Ideal for F class

If you decide to go Nightforce ya dont need NXS just get BR model

Dont rush purchase buy once and buy right
 
Re: Scope for F-class and Tactical?

Well, I find that around 18X is roughly as high a magnification as I can go at 1000yd when the mirage is running heavy. But my scope provides 6-24X magnification, because as distances decrease from 1000yd, I can manage more magnification. I would never build a rifle to shoot at 1000yd and then restrict it to only that distances. I can't afford that kind of specialization.

Forget about seeing bullet holes at 1000yd. You'll be lucky if you can see them at 300yd.

Most competitive rifles can reach 1000yd with somewhere between 25MOA and 35MOA of elevation beyond their shortest practical zero distance, typically 100yd. Therefore, I'd be looking for a scope with at least that much elevation adjustment range, and would consider one with at least twice that to be ideal.

Base slant is as important as the scope's particular attributes. I prefer to get one that places the shortest practical distance zero's elevation adjustment fairly close to the bottom of the available elavation adjustment range, without bottoming it out (to prevent binding the windage adjustments). I call this elevation synchronization, start with maybe a 20MOA built-in base slope value, and then shim to find that properly synchronized elevation adjustment relationship. Once found, I make it permanent by bedding the base to the receiver with that shim value.

I think you can spend as much as you want to for optics, but personally, if I can see the target clearly enough to find a clearly defined POA, and can get the scope to hold that adjustment across a course of fire; I'm good. I find that things like ranging capability and repeatable adjustments are very nice, but as long as sighter shots are permitted, they are not all that crucial to shooting F Class. Those features become a lot more crucial to shooting at Unknown Distances.

I use a relatvely simple mirage tube, made from black card stock, to reduce barrel mirage to a manageable level.

I actually shoot F Class with a relatively inexpensive Tasco 6-24X42 Varmint/Target scope on my F Class rifle, and find that in 4 years, it's not caused me any identifiable problems. Some of that is luck, some isn't, and I fully expect it to bite me on the neck someday; but I have yet to experience that day. If I do, I have 3 more available, mounted on other rifles, serving
as 'hot spares'; and the entire cost for the four was under $350.

Greg
 
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Okay, I got the Pentax in hand. I count 208 1/8 clicks windage and 220 1/8 clicks elevation. Not sure if I'll need a 20 or 30 MOA rail. My 26" Krieger in 308Win has a 1:9" twist, so it likes heavier 180-208 gr. bullets. So I'm looking at 350-390" drop if I sight in at 200 yds.