MPVO for Tactical Games Thoughts/Recommendations

[Jojo417]

Man I hope so, but I'm nervous about whether or not any of them can get the reticle "right", it has to be usable at the bottom mag and that's something the industry by and large has not seem to have understood as many manufacturers just put out a 2-10/2-12 with the same reticle they use in their 3-18's and 6-36's The new ZCO 2-10x30 HTR reticle looks very promising, but one of the reasons I mention the Athlon above is because the AHMR2 FFP IR MIL reticle has been the best design I've seen to date in the MPVO form factor. If Nightforce threw the FC-DMx reticle into the NX8 2.5-20 it might really shake things up, or better yet come out with an NX8 1.5-12x42 or ATACR 2-12x42 with some kind of FC-DMx/Mil-XT blend...

This is ultimately why I ended up selling my Steiner t6xi 3-18. Scr2 was practically useless less than 12-14x to my eyes.

 

[Jojo417]

Glass
As you mentioned the reticles for new PLX 2.5-20, what is with the boxing around tree in Neptune reticle, and is the Athena G2 supposed to mimic the Griffin in a way? Cannot see if the center is dot or chevron. Sure would like to see a through the scope view, as I really do the the PLXC concept carried to higher mag range, but these reticles have me holding for more visual info before committing funds.
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Those reticles look way too small and way too busy.

 

[TonyAngel]

Man, I've never played in the tactical games and I'm too old to start; but, I do what I can to stay proficient. Just based on what I've done, I've made a few observations. Now, don't get me wrong, I love LPVOs. I think they are the best compromise out there for a general use rifle.

Still, you do give up a good bit to have that 1x and compact (sometimes, not so compact) form factor. Fact is that a good, sub $1000 MPVO will will usually out perform a $2000+ LPVO at everything but having a 1x, size and weight.

For an inexperienced guy, an MPVO is going to be just plain easier due to eye box and light gathering. I'd try the 2-12 Athlon. It's a pretty nice scope.

No sense in making things harder on yourself than they need to be. My 800 yard rig has a Leupold 2.5-10 Mk4 on it. It's almost too easy.

 

[couch000]

If NF put the FC-DMx in the 2.5-20 or in a new 1.5-12 I would buy it immediately.

Also, yeah the AHMR2 FFP MIL is a fantastic reticle for the scope’s role.

A NF FC-DMx in a 1.5-12 I feel would be perfect for the tactical games. I’d sell my NX8 1-8 for that.

I’m still relatively new to all this but it seems like there aren’t a lot of good 1.5-12 or 2-12/16 out there with usable reticles for close in “and” out to 600-700. Aren’t they mostly hunting-type reticles? Seems like the Athlon 2-12 is closest thing to that? Or am I missing some that would suffice? Steiner? But someone said they ultimately got rid of theirs.

 

[couch000]

Man, I've never played in the tactical games and I'm too old to start; but, I do what I can to stay proficient. Just based on what I've done, I've made a few observations. Now, don't get me wrong, I love LPVOs. I think they are the best compromise out there for a general use rifle.

Still, you do give up a good bit to have that 1x and compact (sometimes, not so compact) form factor. Fact is that a good, sub $1000 MPVO will will usually out perform a $2000+ LPVO at everything but having a 1x, size and weight.

For an inexperienced guy, an MPVO is going to be just plain easier due to eye box and light gathering. I'd try the 2-12 Athlon. It's a pretty nice scope.

No sense in making things harder on yourself than they need to be. My 800 yard rig has a Leupold 2.5-10 Mk4 on it. It's almost too easy.

Haha, I saw your reply regarding the Athlon after I’d already replied. I’ve looked at that scope and for the money it seems like a great bang for the buck and has a good reticle for what I’m trying to accomplish.

However, I saw on the rokslide forum someone did a review on it and it would not hold zero after some somewhat easy drop tests and a couple rides in the back of a pickup. They had to send it back like three times. I’d be worried that scope would not survive the tactical games.

 

[Glassaholic]

Florida

I didn't think Element training complex had any comps like this??? Very frustrated with them right now because the times I've been able to step away their 600 and 1000 ranges have been rented out to some private party. I might need to check this out, is there a website for this tactical tough guy competition?

 

[Glassaholic]

A NF FC-DMx in a 1.5-12 I feel would be perfect for the tactical games. I’d sell my NX8 1-8 for that.

Been asking for the NX8 1.5-12 for a bit now, doubtful NF will bite. I'm not a huge fan of 8x erector scopes unless done right, usually they are more finicky than I prefer. Still would like to see NX6 or new ATACR 6x erector 2-12 with DMx type reticle, but doubtful that will transpire anytime soon.

 

[white_rushin]

I’m still relatively new to all this but it seems like there aren’t a lot of good 1.5-12 or 2-12/16 out there with usable reticles for close in “and” out to 600-700….
Am I missing some that would suffice? Steiner? But someone said they ultimately got rid of theirs.

OP, I haven’t competed (yet) but this year I plan to do NRL hunter and likely a tactical games or run n gun if I can find a good one near Boise.

I have tried a good amount of medium powered scopes for dynamic training from 0 to 600-800 for 556. (Leupold Patrol 3-9x40, SwampFox Warhawk 2-10x44, Viper PST II 2-10x32).

I finally received my Steiner H6xi 2-12x42 (STR-MIL) which I’ve waited on for several months and you brought up earlier. Today I spent the day out in the desert gathering dope and waterlining every 100 meters out to 800. Across the entire spectrum I never struggled to make first or second round impacts with in the 6x10” range.

The reticle is quite fine/precise. I think at 2-3x it’s very easy to bracket anything under 50M using the t-posts as a duplex. The reticle really comes into its own from 8-12x. Realistically it’s weaknesses seem to be 5-7x where you’re really not going to be able to use your mil-tree as it’s very fine and easy to get lost in a complex sight picture. But the crosshairs are still very usable in that range (5-12x).

A lot of people buy 18-20x scopes and only run them from 10-15x because they find the max magnification is softer and less clear. I don’t think this scope suffers optically anywhere in the mag range. (Similar to the ATACR 4-16x)

Ultimately I think the ATACR 1-8x is probably a better option for you in a general purpose sense. I’m shifting towards training using this SPR exclusively, and would have a lot of fun with the H6Xi in any match, but it’ll likely be a better fit at NRL hunter.