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Scoping a Battle Rifle (308)
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Re: Scoping a Battle Rifle (308)
Well I went round and round with my M1A, Leupold VX III then an ACOG which is a fantastic scope but just made it slightly too heavy for my taste, the TA11E really belongs on a flat-top AR.
I'd stick with irons on this, I'd go ACOG if I had an AR. My two cents.
Well I went round and round with my M1A, Leupold VX III then an ACOG which is a fantastic scope but just made it slightly too heavy for my taste, the TA11E really belongs on a flat-top AR.
I'd stick with irons on this, I'd go ACOG if I had an AR. My two cents.
Re: Scoping a Battle Rifle (308)
For my "battle rife" 308 AR, I bought an NXS 2.5-10x before I even shot the rifle. Then when I got it, I realized how accurate it was. Now I'm starting to lean towards it being a semi-auto precision rifle, and want a scope with more magnification for longer range.
For my "battle rife" 308 AR, I bought an NXS 2.5-10x before I even shot the rifle. Then when I got it, I realized how accurate it was. Now I'm starting to lean towards it being a semi-auto precision rifle, and want a scope with more magnification for longer range.
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Bought the Second Upper.
One is a 16" A3 style carbine. I put an Aimpoint on it with a rear magpul BUIS.
The other is an 18" bull barrel a4 style upper. Currently it wears a Leupold VX-III4.5-14 Adjustable Objective varmint scope.
Badger rings with 1" insert are on Order.
Eventually will move to a Nightforce.
but, funds keep getting smaller. . . . .
BMT
Bought the Second Upper.
One is a 16" A3 style carbine. I put an Aimpoint on it with a rear magpul BUIS.
The other is an 18" bull barrel a4 style upper. Currently it wears a Leupold VX-III4.5-14 Adjustable Objective varmint scope.
Badger rings with 1" insert are on Order.
Eventually will move to a Nightforce.
but, funds keep getting smaller. . . . .
BMT
Re: Scoping a Battle RIfle (308)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boardride</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't like the ACOG stuff because of the eye relief. I need to get my face real close to the optic to make it work for me. Nice stuff tho...
Heres my Noveske AR in 308. It's wearing a Nightforce 2.5-10x24.
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I agree, In a 308 I would go with a Nightforce NXS 2.5-10X24 or the NXS 1-4X24 depending the max range you normally shoot.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boardride</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't like the ACOG stuff because of the eye relief. I need to get my face real close to the optic to make it work for me. Nice stuff tho...
Heres my Noveske AR in 308. It's wearing a Nightforce 2.5-10x24.
I agree, In a 308 I would go with a Nightforce NXS 2.5-10X24 or the NXS 1-4X24 depending the max range you normally shoot.
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I am using a US Optics SN3 TPAL with EREK on my PWS MK214. This optic is in the 1.8-10 power and has the GAP MIL reticle in it. I have .1 MIL turrets and red illuminated reticle.
There is zero issue engaging targets as close as 25 yards, all the way out to 600 and beyond with this optic.
I apologize for not reading the entire thread, but... the 1.8-10 gives you a HUGE usable field of view, great glass, very repeatable turrets, and US Optics customer service.
Just my opinion Brother... give them a look.
Cheers!
I am using a US Optics SN3 TPAL with EREK on my PWS MK214. This optic is in the 1.8-10 power and has the GAP MIL reticle in it. I have .1 MIL turrets and red illuminated reticle.
There is zero issue engaging targets as close as 25 yards, all the way out to 600 and beyond with this optic.
I apologize for not reading the entire thread, but... the 1.8-10 gives you a HUGE usable field of view, great glass, very repeatable turrets, and US Optics customer service.
Just my opinion Brother... give them a look.
Cheers!
Re: Scoping a Battle RIfle (308)
I'm running the Nightforce 2.5-10X32 on my 16" LMT, works great for engaging targets at all distances.
I'm running the Nightforce 2.5-10X32 on my 16" LMT, works great for engaging targets at all distances.
Re: Scoping a Battle RIfle (308)
FWIW now that you bought all the new stuff you could have gotten the Elcan specter DR 1.5-6x and had every thing you wanted. It is a 1.5 or 6x, it switches faster than you can turn the power ring on my 2.5x10 NXS. It has the bright red dot at 1.5 and a reticle with range finding and holdovers. I am sure you could hit practical targets at 800 with it on 6x. If you were looking for a battle rifle optic it doesnt get any better than this. I just got one for my friend and I am pretty sure it is brighter and has a better field of view at 6x than my NF has at the same power. I also bought a Elcan Specter DR 1-4x for my LMT MRP I shot it yesterday and this thing works extremly well for fast shots at CQB range out to 300 where my range ends. by the time you buy all the scopes and mounts and backup sight (quality) for different applications you could have a DR for the same price or less.
FWIW now that you bought all the new stuff you could have gotten the Elcan specter DR 1.5-6x and had every thing you wanted. It is a 1.5 or 6x, it switches faster than you can turn the power ring on my 2.5x10 NXS. It has the bright red dot at 1.5 and a reticle with range finding and holdovers. I am sure you could hit practical targets at 800 with it on 6x. If you were looking for a battle rifle optic it doesnt get any better than this. I just got one for my friend and I am pretty sure it is brighter and has a better field of view at 6x than my NF has at the same power. I also bought a Elcan Specter DR 1-4x for my LMT MRP I shot it yesterday and this thing works extremly well for fast shots at CQB range out to 300 where my range ends. by the time you buy all the scopes and mounts and backup sight (quality) for different applications you could have a DR for the same price or less.
Re: Scoping a Battle RIfle (308)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Re25</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FWIW now that you bought all the new stuff you could have gotten the Elcan specter DR 1.5-6x and had every thing you wanted. It is a 1.5 or 6x, it switches faster than you can turn the power ring on my 2.5x10 NXS. It has the bright red dot at 1.5 and a reticle with range finding and holdovers. I am sure you could hit practical targets at 800 with it on 6x. If you were looking for a battle rifle optic it doesnt get any better than this. I just got one for my friend and I am pretty sure it is brighter and has a better field of view at 6x than my NF has at the same power. I also bought a Elcan Specter DR 1-4x for my LMT MRP I shot it yesterday and this thing works extremly well for fast shots at CQB range out to 300 where my range ends. by the time you buy all the scopes and mounts and backup sight (quality) for different applications you could have a DR for the same price or less. </div></div>
Hmmmm . . . .
I could get another upper . . . . . .
BMT
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Re25</div><div class="ubbcode-body">FWIW now that you bought all the new stuff you could have gotten the Elcan specter DR 1.5-6x and had every thing you wanted. It is a 1.5 or 6x, it switches faster than you can turn the power ring on my 2.5x10 NXS. It has the bright red dot at 1.5 and a reticle with range finding and holdovers. I am sure you could hit practical targets at 800 with it on 6x. If you were looking for a battle rifle optic it doesnt get any better than this. I just got one for my friend and I am pretty sure it is brighter and has a better field of view at 6x than my NF has at the same power. I also bought a Elcan Specter DR 1-4x for my LMT MRP I shot it yesterday and this thing works extremly well for fast shots at CQB range out to 300 where my range ends. by the time you buy all the scopes and mounts and backup sight (quality) for different applications you could have a DR for the same price or less. </div></div>
Hmmmm . . . .
I could get another upper . . . . . .
BMT
Re: Scoping a Battle Rifle (308)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AlienSixOne</div><div class="ubbcode-body">+1 for LR scopes. just add a smaaal offset Docter holosight on RH side if you expecting someone close nuf.
My choice is Pemier 3-15.
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I love this set up!!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AlienSixOne</div><div class="ubbcode-body">+1 for LR scopes. just add a smaaal offset Docter holosight on RH side if you expecting someone close nuf.
My choice is Pemier 3-15.
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I love this set up!!!
Re: Scoping a Battle Rifle (308)
http://swfa.com/Trijicon-35x35-Acog-Rifle-Scope-P12910.aspx
If buying an ACOG be sure you get one with both fiber optic and the tritium. I have a TAO1B that does not have the fiber optic it was less money but I like the fiber optic ones better. I also like the La Rue mounts for it.
http://swfa.com/Trijicon-35x35-Acog-Rifle-Scope-P12910.aspx
If buying an ACOG be sure you get one with both fiber optic and the tritium. I have a TAO1B that does not have the fiber optic it was less money but I like the fiber optic ones better. I also like the La Rue mounts for it.
Re: Scoping a Battle Rifle (308)
The project contines. Funds limited optics purchases so a VXII 4.5-14x40 AO varmint scope was repurposed and shipped to Leupold for a TMR reticle and M1 knobs. Warn Maxima rings will hold it in place.
Last item is a Geissele trigger.
I will keep saving and post a pic when it is done.
BMT
The project contines. Funds limited optics purchases so a VXII 4.5-14x40 AO varmint scope was repurposed and shipped to Leupold for a TMR reticle and M1 knobs. Warn Maxima rings will hold it in place.
Last item is a Geissele trigger.
I will keep saving and post a pic when it is done.
BMT
Re: Scoping a Battle Rifle (308)
The Elcan 1-4 makes sense to me. The 1.5-6 does not. The jump from close range mag to 6x puts the mag higher than I would like at the ranges Im mostly shooting. I recently sold off my Elcan 1-4 as I wanted to try a dual setup and wanted the supreme durability of an acog. I replaced it with an Acog TA11 and Im going to put a RDS on it as well and give that setup a dance. I also picked up a USO 1.5-6.I have everything on QD mounts so that I can easily reconfigure the role of the rifle. I find 3X an excellent mag that I dont give up speed and accuracy from as close as 25yds out to 300. The weight of the Elcan 1.5-6 makes me think that I might as well just get a full functioning scope if I have to take the hit of the weight penalty.
The Elcan 1-4 makes sense to me. The 1.5-6 does not. The jump from close range mag to 6x puts the mag higher than I would like at the ranges Im mostly shooting. I recently sold off my Elcan 1-4 as I wanted to try a dual setup and wanted the supreme durability of an acog. I replaced it with an Acog TA11 and Im going to put a RDS on it as well and give that setup a dance. I also picked up a USO 1.5-6.I have everything on QD mounts so that I can easily reconfigure the role of the rifle. I find 3X an excellent mag that I dont give up speed and accuracy from as close as 25yds out to 300. The weight of the Elcan 1.5-6 makes me think that I might as well just get a full functioning scope if I have to take the hit of the weight penalty.
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please excuse my ignorance, but the title was alittle misleading to me. i.e. ''battle rifle'' = battle type purpose, in which i used a horus 4-16 for 12 mo. in afganistan, and for 400$ it took a beating. the reticle did start to shift after being shipped home, and had a huge dent in the elevation cap, most likely from a private, ''admiring it/ droping it. horus replaced it for free.
this was a no sh!t proven system in afganistan as the reticle makes for lightspeed follow ups that sent plenty to allah and their virgins! that being said, i agree with many here that a scope such as the 2-10/16's power is perfect with a back up dot, or enough practice to use the turret cap on top for close range, which is what i did, as my m14 ebr didn't have a good place for a dot type sight with the scope mounted
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please excuse my ignorance, but the title was alittle misleading to me. i.e. ''battle rifle'' = battle type purpose, in which i used a horus 4-16 for 12 mo. in afganistan, and for 400$ it took a beating. the reticle did start to shift after being shipped home, and had a huge dent in the elevation cap, most likely from a private, ''admiring it/ droping it. horus replaced it for free.
this was a no sh!t proven system in afganistan as the reticle makes for lightspeed follow ups that sent plenty to allah and their virgins! that being said, i agree with many here that a scope such as the 2-10/16's power is perfect with a back up dot, or enough practice to use the turret cap on top for close range, which is what i did, as my m14 ebr didn't have a good place for a dot type sight with the scope mounted
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Re: Scoping a Battle Rifle (308)
Check out the Vortex Viper PST 1-4 or something along those lines. 4x is enough to shoot steel out to 600 yards. I have a NightForce 3-15 F1 on my LMT 308 and its a great setup. It all depends on what you want to use the rifle for. I have mine setup for sniping.
Check out the Vortex Viper PST 1-4 or something along those lines. 4x is enough to shoot steel out to 600 yards. I have a NightForce 3-15 F1 on my LMT 308 and its a great setup. It all depends on what you want to use the rifle for. I have mine setup for sniping.
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My 16" LWRC REPR will wear an Elcan SpecterDR 1-4x, to give it both a quick 1x RDS and a magnified optic to take advantage of the 7.62 NATO/.308's range capability, all in one device, like so:
I'll mount mine further back, over the rear BUIS.
My 16" LWRC REPR will wear an Elcan SpecterDR 1-4x, to give it both a quick 1x RDS and a magnified optic to take advantage of the 7.62 NATO/.308's range capability, all in one device, like so:
I'll mount mine further back, over the rear BUIS.
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Snake, you might find that the weight of a reaper and elcan is a bit counterproductive to achieving the speed one is usually looking for when running at 1x. The only two rifles I didnt feel the weight of the elcan pushed the package weight over the top on were the SCAR17 and the KAC EMC.
Snake, you might find that the weight of a reaper and elcan is a bit counterproductive to achieving the speed one is usually looking for when running at 1x. The only two rifles I didnt feel the weight of the elcan pushed the package weight over the top on were the SCAR17 and the KAC EMC.
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I'm gonna give the leupold mark 6 1-6 a try when that gets released. Looks very promising.
I'm gonna give the leupold mark 6 1-6 a try when that gets released. Looks very promising.
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If you're plinking and not doing the fun stuff, don't waste your money on Trijicon or NF. Take a look at the Nikon glass they make for the AR.
If you compare the scopes side by side you'll find the Nikon has the same glass and quality as a Nightforce, you just can't drop your rifle landing scope first. Even then, you could buy 3-4 of them before you'd be in NF money. Mine has take its share of dings and bumps over the last two years too, still holds zero. With that respect, you get both a nice red dot from Aimpoint, scope that works great out to 800-1000 and the mounts all for about half of what you'd pay for NF glass.
If you're plinking and not doing the fun stuff, don't waste your money on Trijicon or NF. Take a look at the Nikon glass they make for the AR.
If you compare the scopes side by side you'll find the Nikon has the same glass and quality as a Nightforce, you just can't drop your rifle landing scope first. Even then, you could buy 3-4 of them before you'd be in NF money. Mine has take its share of dings and bumps over the last two years too, still holds zero. With that respect, you get both a nice red dot from Aimpoint, scope that works great out to 800-1000 and the mounts all for about half of what you'd pay for NF glass.
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i like my 1-4x DMS-1 and i really want to put it to the test at some short ranges and out farther to test the dot-donut reticle. its 18" and shot well at closer ranges under 100
i like my 1-4x DMS-1 and i really want to put it to the test at some short ranges and out farther to test the dot-donut reticle. its 18" and shot well at closer ranges under 100
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Get a Swarovski Z6i 1-6X you will not find a better tactical scope IMO. I will also have a JP short range iron sight offset on my LRP-07, this way i can shoot up to 40 yards with the iron sight and when I need to I can get out to 600yards with the Z6i. Best of both worlds.
Get a Swarovski Z6i 1-6X you will not find a better tactical scope IMO. I will also have a JP short range iron sight offset on my LRP-07, this way i can shoot up to 40 yards with the iron sight and when I need to I can get out to 600yards with the Z6i. Best of both worlds.
Re: Scoping a Battle Rifle (308)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AK-Bandit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For my "battle rife" 308 AR, I bought an NXS 2.5-10x before I even shot the rifle. Then when I got it, I realized how accurate it was. Now I'm starting to lean towards it being a semi-auto precision rifle, and want a scope with more magnification for longer range. </div></div> i went with the nxs 3.5-15x50 ..its all over win this gives you a cross over which fits most work etc ...flexible is the needed
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AK-Bandit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For my "battle rife" 308 AR, I bought an NXS 2.5-10x before I even shot the rifle. Then when I got it, I realized how accurate it was. Now I'm starting to lean towards it being a semi-auto precision rifle, and want a scope with more magnification for longer range. </div></div> i went with the nxs 3.5-15x50 ..its all over win this gives you a cross over which fits most work etc ...flexible is the needed
Re: Scoping a Battle Rifle (308)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cz777</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AK-Bandit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For my "battle rife" 308 AR, I bought an NXS 2.5-10x before I even shot the rifle. Then when I got it, I realized how accurate it was. Now I'm starting to lean towards it being a semi-auto precision rifle, and want a scope with more magnification for longer range. </div></div> i went with the nxs 3.5-15x50 ..its all over win this gives you a cross over which fits most work etc ...flexible is the needed </div></div>
Sweet rig with Nightforce on it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cz777</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AK-Bandit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For my "battle rife" 308 AR, I bought an NXS 2.5-10x before I even shot the rifle. Then when I got it, I realized how accurate it was. Now I'm starting to lean towards it being a semi-auto precision rifle, and want a scope with more magnification for longer range. </div></div> i went with the nxs 3.5-15x50 ..its all over win this gives you a cross over which fits most work etc ...flexible is the needed </div></div>
Sweet rig with Nightforce on it.
Re: Scoping a Battle Rifle (308)
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 223Rem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lucksthename</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That OBR is beautiful </div></div>
......ummmmmhhhhh.....?????? huh?</div></div>
Not sure who's ears are ringing more, LMT or Mark LaRue. </div></div>
I wouldn't call someone out unless you are sure they made a mistake.
From earlier in the thread... an OBR.
OP for what it is worth I run a NF 2.5-10 mil/mil and it works incredibly well without being to large.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 223Rem</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chiller</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lucksthename</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That OBR is beautiful </div></div>
......ummmmmhhhhh.....?????? huh?</div></div>
Not sure who's ears are ringing more, LMT or Mark LaRue. </div></div>
I wouldn't call someone out unless you are sure they made a mistake.
From earlier in the thread... an OBR.
OP for what it is worth I run a NF 2.5-10 mil/mil and it works incredibly well without being to large.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Is Magpul making .308 PMAGS in colors other than black now, or that a pristine paint job?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Is Magpul making .308 PMAGS in colors other than black now, or that a pristine paint job?
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Never seen a elcan specter dr sight on a repr.....how,do you like that?
Mine is the 20in repr and has both a us optics sn3 as well as a Burris fastfire II in an offset predator tactical mount. Works great butmitsmone heavy rig.
Never seen a elcan specter dr sight on a repr.....how,do you like that?
Mine is the 20in repr and has both a us optics sn3 as well as a Burris fastfire II in an offset predator tactical mount. Works great butmitsmone heavy rig.
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Just my humble opinion the <10lbs is battle rifle territory. >10lbs your in DMR territory so you might as well just go full functioning scope......
Just my humble opinion the <10lbs is battle rifle territory. >10lbs your in DMR territory so you might as well just go full functioning scope......
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: superjc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I went round and round with my M1A, Leupold VX III then an ACOG which is a fantastic scope but just made it slightly too heavy for my taste, the TA11E really belongs on a flat-top AR.
I'd stick with irons on this, I'd go ACOG if I had an AR. My two cents.
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+1 for the irons on an M1A, best iron sights ever put on a battle rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: superjc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I went round and round with my M1A, Leupold VX III then an ACOG which is a fantastic scope but just made it slightly too heavy for my taste, the TA11E really belongs on a flat-top AR.
I'd stick with irons on this, I'd go ACOG if I had an AR. My two cents.
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+1 for the irons on an M1A, best iron sights ever put on a battle rifle.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical .22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>
Is Magpul making .308 PMAGS in colors other than black now, or that a pristine paint job? </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tactical .22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: problemchild</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> </div></div>
Is Magpul making .308 PMAGS in colors other than black now, or that a pristine paint job? </div></div>
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I like the EOTech with the 3x magnifier for my 16" because I can flip the magnifier out of the way for close shooting, or take it off entirely. It was down to the ACOG or the EOTech, about 5 years ago, but I went the way I did just because I didn't want to have magnification all the time. I haven't regretted the decision, but then I wasn't planning to shoot beyond 300 yards, either.
I like the EOTech with the 3x magnifier for my 16" because I can flip the magnifier out of the way for close shooting, or take it off entirely. It was down to the ACOG or the EOTech, about 5 years ago, but I went the way I did just because I didn't want to have magnification all the time. I haven't regretted the decision, but then I wasn't planning to shoot beyond 300 yards, either.
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Is that the "Tactical Krylon" of some version / Character Cerrakote?
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My picks are USO SN-4 1.5-6x or SN-3s 1.8-10x. At 1.5x, the SN-4 has a very large exit diameter, super fast. The SN-3s at 10x is respectable magnification on a .308.
SN-4 with the JNG reticle
Here are a couple of SN-3s's. Both have the JNG reticle, but it is slightly different from the JNG on the SN-4.
The USO scopes are cleanly designed, not too much sticking out in the breeze. Super strong build, nice scopes. My #2 pick would prob. be a NightForce 2.5-10X.
You said battle rifle, I'd consider size, weight, and durability.
Good luck, whatever you get.
My picks are USO SN-4 1.5-6x or SN-3s 1.8-10x. At 1.5x, the SN-4 has a very large exit diameter, super fast. The SN-3s at 10x is respectable magnification on a .308.
SN-4 with the JNG reticle
Here are a couple of SN-3s's. Both have the JNG reticle, but it is slightly different from the JNG on the SN-4.
The USO scopes are cleanly designed, not too much sticking out in the breeze. Super strong build, nice scopes. My #2 pick would prob. be a NightForce 2.5-10X.
You said battle rifle, I'd consider size, weight, and durability.
Good luck, whatever you get.
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The ACOG would make a great hunting scope. I do not know why more people don't use them because I think it makes a better hunting scope than infantry scope. All of the ACOGs I have shot through are of top quality and clarity.
If you aren't a DM then there is no need for magnification other than observation/scouting duties. I think holographic/reflex sights are more relevant in today's urban battlefields. If you can shoot a man sized target at 200 yards with a scoped rifle, you can shoot it just as easily with a 0-mag sight.
The ones with .308 reticles have better eye relief than the ones with 5.56 reticles, I believe they are close to 3 inches which is more than adequate for .308 - especially in a semi-auto platform. I wanted a KEL-TEC RFB out of impulse (It was good I couldn't find one) and I would have topped it with this scope.
Most loads will track closely with the ACOG reticle out to 300 yards. If you plan to hunt further than that, I would suggest a higher power scope.
I have not bought an ACOG as most of my shooting is at the range and I either have iron sights or a rifle scope, but if I went deer hunting, I would definitely consider it - especially on a bolt action.
Another scope I found interesting was the Burris Tactical (I forget the exact designation but it is right next to the XTR on their website). I have looked through the 1-4 power xtr and it rivaled aimpoints and acog in quality of glass with a clear, bright illuminated reticle. I believe the bigger .308 variant is 1.5-6x. It seems to fit the bill for the type of shooting you will be looking at. I know Burris sounds cheap but the XTRs are quite expensive for the Burris line and warrant the price you pay.
The ACOG would make a great hunting scope. I do not know why more people don't use them because I think it makes a better hunting scope than infantry scope. All of the ACOGs I have shot through are of top quality and clarity.
If you aren't a DM then there is no need for magnification other than observation/scouting duties. I think holographic/reflex sights are more relevant in today's urban battlefields. If you can shoot a man sized target at 200 yards with a scoped rifle, you can shoot it just as easily with a 0-mag sight.
The ones with .308 reticles have better eye relief than the ones with 5.56 reticles, I believe they are close to 3 inches which is more than adequate for .308 - especially in a semi-auto platform. I wanted a KEL-TEC RFB out of impulse (It was good I couldn't find one) and I would have topped it with this scope.
Most loads will track closely with the ACOG reticle out to 300 yards. If you plan to hunt further than that, I would suggest a higher power scope.
I have not bought an ACOG as most of my shooting is at the range and I either have iron sights or a rifle scope, but if I went deer hunting, I would definitely consider it - especially on a bolt action.
Another scope I found interesting was the Burris Tactical (I forget the exact designation but it is right next to the XTR on their website). I have looked through the 1-4 power xtr and it rivaled aimpoints and acog in quality of glass with a clear, bright illuminated reticle. I believe the bigger .308 variant is 1.5-6x. It seems to fit the bill for the type of shooting you will be looking at. I know Burris sounds cheap but the XTRs are quite expensive for the Burris line and warrant the price you pay.
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For drilling targets, i prefer the TA11H with the horseshoe donut over TA11J crosshairs. The donut perfectly brackets standard regulation targets. For more precision plinking and hold-offs, i prefer higher magnification and hashmark lines beyond what the TA11J acog provides.
For drilling targets, i prefer the TA11H with the horseshoe donut over TA11J crosshairs. The donut perfectly brackets standard regulation targets. For more precision plinking and hold-offs, i prefer higher magnification and hashmark lines beyond what the TA11J acog provides.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SGT Ticklefight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The ACOG would make a great hunting scope. I do not know why more people don't use them because I think it makes a better hunting scope than infantry scope. </div></div>
1300 with no AO vs 500 for a full feature scope that is well suited for hunting
so by my count that makes 801 reasons acogs are not popular for hunting
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SGT Ticklefight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The ACOG would make a great hunting scope. I do not know why more people don't use them because I think it makes a better hunting scope than infantry scope. </div></div>
1300 with no AO vs 500 for a full feature scope that is well suited for hunting
so by my count that makes 801 reasons acogs are not popular for hunting
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That's what I figured it was, I checked the Magpul site too, but I have heard of people ordering special color runs and other such limited production things from Magpul, so I wanted to check.
I personally don't see much point in ACOGS with the current boom in 1-whatever tactical scopes. Scopes have more versatile mounting options, they are often not as heavy, eye relief is better, much better suited to precision shooting with the availability of Mil reticles and turrets, they are much better suited to close up shooting with true one power capability, and they are often cheaper. The Vortex 1-4 is a lot of scope for the money. The SS 1-4 is incredible, and I'm sure the 1-6 will be more so. I have heard nothing but good things about the Swarovski, IOR, USO, Leupold, and S&B offerings. You have good choices in every conceivable price range. It seems like a no-brainer to me. Just pick the nicest one you can afford.
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I personally don't see much point in ACOGS with the current boom in 1-whatever tactical scopes. Scopes have more versatile mounting options, they are often not as heavy, eye relief is better, much better suited to precision shooting with the availability of Mil reticles and turrets, they are much better suited to close up shooting with true one power capability, and they are often cheaper. The Vortex 1-4 is a lot of scope for the money. The SS 1-4 is incredible, and I'm sure the 1-6 will be more so. I have heard nothing but good things about the Swarovski, IOR, USO, Leupold, and S&B offerings. You have good choices in every conceivable price range. It seems like a no-brainer to me. Just pick the nicest one you can afford.
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Have you guys actually owned any of these optics????
"Scopes have more versatile mounting options, they are often not as heavy, eye relief is better"
There are ample mounts for each.
Scopes arent as heavy as an Acog???? This is simply wrong. My TA11 is significantly lighter than just about any scope out there worth buying! My USO 1.5-6 with mount is 31 Oz on my scale. My buddies SS 1-4 is 28 Oz IIRC. My TA11 is like 15 Oz! The eye relief of my TA11 and TA33 is excellent.
"If you aren't a DM then there is no need for magnification other than observation/scouting duties. I think holographic/reflex sights are more relevant in today's urban battlefields. If you can shoot a man sized target at 200 yards with a scoped rifle, you can shoot it just as easily with a 0-mag sight."
There are those that can hit out to 500 regulerly with a red dot sight but that means NOTHING. Being able to hit the target at distance isnt the only task at hand. At 300 yds can you identify with a rds if it is a friend or foe? What are the lighting conditions? Its been my experience that unfavorable lighting conditions like the sun ahead of the target can reduce your ability to even see an obscured target down to about 75 yards. Magnification, even a little go a LOOOONg way to overcome this.
Have you guys actually owned any of these optics????
"Scopes have more versatile mounting options, they are often not as heavy, eye relief is better"
There are ample mounts for each.
Scopes arent as heavy as an Acog???? This is simply wrong. My TA11 is significantly lighter than just about any scope out there worth buying! My USO 1.5-6 with mount is 31 Oz on my scale. My buddies SS 1-4 is 28 Oz IIRC. My TA11 is like 15 Oz! The eye relief of my TA11 and TA33 is excellent.
"If you aren't a DM then there is no need for magnification other than observation/scouting duties. I think holographic/reflex sights are more relevant in today's urban battlefields. If you can shoot a man sized target at 200 yards with a scoped rifle, you can shoot it just as easily with a 0-mag sight."
There are those that can hit out to 500 regulerly with a red dot sight but that means NOTHING. Being able to hit the target at distance isnt the only task at hand. At 300 yds can you identify with a rds if it is a friend or foe? What are the lighting conditions? Its been my experience that unfavorable lighting conditions like the sun ahead of the target can reduce your ability to even see an obscured target down to about 75 yards. Magnification, even a little go a LOOOONg way to overcome this.
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Yeah, US Optics are the heaviest scopes I have ever handled, though. I know for a fact looking at numbers that several of the scopes I was referring to are lighter than several of the ACOG models. Perhaps weight was not the fairest complaint, though, because I was not taking into account the necessary weight of the mount. Sorry. I stand by the rest of what I said, though.
By more versatile mounting options, I was referring to the fact that you can put scopes in rings. Try mounting an ACOG on a FAL, AKM, or M1A (look at the top of page two) and getting proper cheek weld. There are many more options for rings of virtually any height, as well as various cantilever mounts and other specialty solutions. The ACOG is not quite that versatile. (that is another reason I prefer 30mm Aimpoints to Eotechs, but whatever)
The eye relief on ACOGs IS horrible. I'm glad for you if it does not bother you, though.
I think the biggest benefits of 1-4s over ACOGs is the variable power (essentially you get a better end setup than an ACOG with an RMR piggybacked) and the reticle and turrets. BDC reticles have no place on a rifle that you want to have any kind of long range precision role. It *may* be dead on with one particular load at one particular altitude (forget all the other variables), but that does not allow you to have accuracy when those things change. A good mil reticle that you have used enough to plot out can do everything that a BDC reticle can do, but a BDC reticle is not nearly as useful as a Milling reticle.
A lot of people with a lot more experience than I adore ACOGs. That's great. By all reports, they are insanely solid and a very nice company to work with. However, I maintain that I don't see much of a need for them with all the 1-4s, 1-6s, and 1-8s.
Yeah, US Optics are the heaviest scopes I have ever handled, though. I know for a fact looking at numbers that several of the scopes I was referring to are lighter than several of the ACOG models. Perhaps weight was not the fairest complaint, though, because I was not taking into account the necessary weight of the mount. Sorry. I stand by the rest of what I said, though.
By more versatile mounting options, I was referring to the fact that you can put scopes in rings. Try mounting an ACOG on a FAL, AKM, or M1A (look at the top of page two) and getting proper cheek weld. There are many more options for rings of virtually any height, as well as various cantilever mounts and other specialty solutions. The ACOG is not quite that versatile. (that is another reason I prefer 30mm Aimpoints to Eotechs, but whatever)
The eye relief on ACOGs IS horrible. I'm glad for you if it does not bother you, though.
I think the biggest benefits of 1-4s over ACOGs is the variable power (essentially you get a better end setup than an ACOG with an RMR piggybacked) and the reticle and turrets. BDC reticles have no place on a rifle that you want to have any kind of long range precision role. It *may* be dead on with one particular load at one particular altitude (forget all the other variables), but that does not allow you to have accuracy when those things change. A good mil reticle that you have used enough to plot out can do everything that a BDC reticle can do, but a BDC reticle is not nearly as useful as a Milling reticle.
A lot of people with a lot more experience than I adore ACOGs. That's great. By all reports, they are insanely solid and a very nice company to work with. However, I maintain that I don't see much of a need for them with all the 1-4s, 1-6s, and 1-8s.
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What scopes?
Yes I can see the mounting issues for things that are hard to mount anything to to begin with. So I can see some of your point there. But...I cant say that Im terribly interested in precision when talking about an AK.
"The eye relief on ACOGs IS horrible." No, the eye reliefe of 4X acogs is not very good. The eye relief on 3 and 3.5x Acogs is excellent.
Im not disputing the benefits of variable power. But I think Acogs come with their own bag of advantages too.
There has only been 2 1-4's that I have really liked. The Elcan Specter Dr and the S$B short dot. The other 1-4's just cant do the daylight usable red dot well enough to justify them for me. As for 1-6's, we'll see. 1-8's are starting to look like along shot to me!
I contend that I have yet to see the optic that isnt a compromise in some way or another. Its just a matter of figuring out which compromises you can live with or work around.
What scopes?
Yes I can see the mounting issues for things that are hard to mount anything to to begin with. So I can see some of your point there. But...I cant say that Im terribly interested in precision when talking about an AK.
"The eye relief on ACOGs IS horrible." No, the eye reliefe of 4X acogs is not very good. The eye relief on 3 and 3.5x Acogs is excellent.
Im not disputing the benefits of variable power. But I think Acogs come with their own bag of advantages too.
There has only been 2 1-4's that I have really liked. The Elcan Specter Dr and the S$B short dot. The other 1-4's just cant do the daylight usable red dot well enough to justify them for me. As for 1-6's, we'll see. 1-8's are starting to look like along shot to me!
I contend that I have yet to see the optic that isnt a compromise in some way or another. Its just a matter of figuring out which compromises you can live with or work around.
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I find the illumination on the SS 1-4 to be perfect. High end is bright enough for daylight use, low end is dim enough that it does not bloom and wash out the target.
I find the illumination on the SS 1-4 to be perfect. High end is bright enough for daylight use, low end is dim enough that it does not bloom and wash out the target.
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Well tactical that brings up a concern. I have been telling my buddy something is wrong with his because frankly it sucks where illum is concerned. With that being said, I think acceptable brightness is subjective. I have found only 3 to be bright enough for me, the Elcan, Short Dot and Swaro Z6 But Im looking for as near aimpoint bright at 1x as I can get...
Well tactical that brings up a concern. I have been telling my buddy something is wrong with his because frankly it sucks where illum is concerned. With that being said, I think acceptable brightness is subjective. I have found only 3 to be bright enough for me, the Elcan, Short Dot and Swaro Z6 But Im looking for as near aimpoint bright at 1x as I can get...
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Can you elaborate on what makes it best, other than you have one? I dont like the capped turrets and i have concerns over its durability with the electrnics and switching mechanisms so I would like to hear first hand how yours is holding up.
Can you elaborate on what makes it best, other than you have one? I dont like the capped turrets and i have concerns over its durability with the electrnics and switching mechanisms so I would like to hear first hand how yours is holding up.
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