Secret Service?

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#1
Watching the democratic nomination speech in Denver last night I noticed someone that appeared to be Secret Service in a camera shot where they panned back, and you could see them silhouetted on the roof. Anyway it made me curious as to what type of rifles the use (who builds them, what specs, optics, etc.)? I searched but didn't come up with much information or pictures. All I can recall is something about them using some sort of 7mm and I also recall something about them liking McM A3-5 stocks?
 
#9
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There was a bad-ass HS Precision Rifle in a local shop a few years ago. They told me they had documentation that showed it was it was a Secret Service Sniper Rifle. It was a 300 Win Mag. But of course I never saw the paperwork... and they only wanted $2500.00 for it. I should have bought that thing!
 
#12
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Apollo11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You are correct, however it is now a 300 win mag. </div></div>

What are their intended targets, people in the crowd? or other snipers? It seems to me if most of their focus is on targets in the crowd over penetration would be an issue with the .300WM especially considering the ranges involved (correct me if I'm wrong, I realy have no idea).
 
#15
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When the SS needs to take a shot in a crowd scenario, overpenetration is not as much of a concern as terminating the primary target... I'd say their budget is well in proportion to the VIP's they are normally overseeing and as such they are well prepared to compensate any/all unintended casualties...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kenny_300</div><div class="ubbcode-body">depends on what their shooting on the overpenetration. maybe sub-sonic ammo? who knows, 1 thing for sure, the bad guy isn't going to get up! </div></div>

Most likely the person standing behind him wont be either
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#18
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I always heard 7mm Remington Magnum . . . </div></div>

Used to be.............no longer..........don't ask me why.
 
#22
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Thanks guys, the RT10 is based on the Remington long action, I'm using ten round magazines by Trexler industries, they are a double stack/center feed design that work really well and are reasonably priced, I mod them for the Ar15 mag catch (I like the push button release) so far everything from 308 to 300 Win. seems to feed well, The type 3 hard anodize is new too, amazingly tough.
Gary
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Insayn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We take them out to our range for zero checks when they come in with the advance teams. They are using 300 win mags by HS Precision. </div></div>

How recently did you do that? I hosted them at my range and spent 6 hours on a rooftop with a few of them two months ago and it was Rem700's in 300WM.
 
#28
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Insayn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We take them out to our range for zero checks when they come in with the advance teams. They are using 300 win mags by HS Precision. </div></div>

How recently did you do that? I hosted them at my range and spent 6 hours on a rooftop with a few of them two months ago and it was Rem700's in 300WM. </div></div>

They have several different rifles from what I understand. Stoner .308, Remington 700's with calibers in .308, 7mm and 300WM depending on their range and I may be confusing the FBI and USS on the HSP. They were here a few months ago.
 
#29
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wild Bill C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When the SS needs to take a shot in a crowd scenario, overpenetration is not as much of a concern as terminating the primary target... I'd say their budget is well in proportion to the VIP's they are normally overseeing and as such they are well prepared to compensate any/all unintended casualties... </div></div>

That dosent give the shooter immunity to "Criminal Recklesness" or a Federal Civil Rights suit. It would suck to take down a target, be a hero for a microsecond then be ruined financially and emotionally because you killed some poor civilians kid who was five feet behind the target. If a reasonable person knows the projectile will overpenetrate the target and it causes injury, your goose is cooked. Secret Service is still law enforcement, and law enforcement still answers to the public.
 
#30
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wild Bill C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When the SS needs to take a shot in a crowd scenario, overpenetration is not as much of a concern as terminating the primary target... I'd say their budget is well in proportion to the VIP's they are normally overseeing and as such they are well prepared to compensate any/all unintended casualties... </div></div>

That dosent give the shooter immunity to "Criminal Recklesness" or a Federal Civil Rights suit. It would suck to take down a target, be a hero for a microsecond then be ruined financially and emotionally because you killed some poor civilians kid who was five feet behind the target. If a reasonable person knows the projectile will overpenetrate the target and it causes injury, your goose is cooked. Secret Service is still law enforcement, and law enforcement still answers to the public. </div></div>

Thats right on. There is no LE agency that could get away with killing or wounding an innocent person while taking out a bad guy (at a minimum I'm thinking a lawsuit aginst the shooter and the agency). I'm not saying that if the protectee is in direct danger this would not be justified, but they need to be responsible for their rounds.
 
#31
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They may be liable, that said, I under stand one of the reasons for the change to the win mag was to enhance penetration
in case they have to shoot through someone to reach their target. The primary job is to protect the president and other dignitarys at all cost. I sure wouldnt want to be standing between them and their target to find out...

Buck
 
#32
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Don't know that I've ever heard of a USS agent ever being in front of a jury for the referenced scenario... But, I also assume them to be of the highest caliber in terms of their training for their ROE... Doubt you'd see it written anywhere, but if they were tasked with the safety of the POTUS, I doubt much consideration would be given to collateral casualties, caused by precision rifle fire, if a life/death scenario presented itself... a .308 would stand a pretty decent chance of causing similar risks due to the density of people at public events... I don't envy those who have to make such decisions, but I would think their decision making would highly favor protecting their charge over the possibility of prosecution as an individual due to the overpenetration of a round.

Heck, if I was standing behind the guy who was trying to pull the trigger in this kind of situation I would expect that I would end up a backboard for quite a few rounds!!!
 
#34
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wild Bill C</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't know that I've ever heard of a USS agent ever being in front of a jury for the referenced scenario... </div></div>

I haven't heard of that kind of scenario occuring in the last century. I can gaurantee you that the Media would destroy any President that ever condoned such a thing.

Trading an innocent life for scores of innocents (i.e. a weapon of mass destruction scenario) would be acceptable in my mind, but trading an innocent for another simply because of their office does not sit well with me. The President is not a God. If he dies another will take his place. That is why we have a chain of command. Trading my life for another may be acceptable, but "I" get to make that choice. It's not forced upon me.

 
#35
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Once upon a time they carried two rifles. A custom built 7mm Rem Mag bolt gun built by whom I don't know, and a NM M14. IIRC they had their own armorers that built them then. Now I'm sure it's farmed out. The ammunition was hand loaded for the particular rifle back then. Always had some really darn good bino's.

What they carry now days have no idea.

 
#36
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Insayn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We take them out to our range for zero checks when they come in with the advance teams. They are using 300 win mags by HS Precision. </div></div>

How recently did you do that? I hosted them at my range and spent 6 hours on a rooftop with a few of them two months ago and it was Rem700's in 300WM. </div></div>

Confirmed it with two of my co workers....it was in fact a Remington 700 on an aftermarket stock of 7mm Mag and 300WM. They also had the Stoner .308 gas gun.
 
#37
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: criver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hint........the lead free projectile does not over penetrate </div></div>

ICE BULLETS! I KNEW IT!!!!
 
#43
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Their equipment and work should not be discussed on the world wide web.

I can tell you this though, in 1983 I attended a special course they ran and this old giant of a red-headed agent taught me to curl my index finger and then use its opposite number to fling a soybean at up to 110 mph... I'll never forget him because he was sleeved, by which I mean that had little USMC emblems in ever-widening concentric circles from his short shirt sleeve down to the knuckles. I don't know if this meant he rode a bike or simply didn't want to placed on recruiting duty in a previous life. By the end of that week, I developed mastery of the wrist rocket as well, and was able to nail medium size birds out of the air with a marble. There is a lot about their less than lethal training that they simply refuse to talk about...
 
#45
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NOMAD</div><div class="ubbcode-body">??? </div></div>

competitionshootingstuff.com RT10 contract with the SS.
 
#48
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You did spot a PR sticker on one of them.......I was just about to post that. Interesting part is, they are fixed power MK4's, and from the turret height I'd guess 10X (my 16X has the gigantically tall elevation turret). Being fixed, I'm curious what reticle they use. My 16X has a PR reticle, USMC (oval) mildots.
 
#49
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I know Mike R at Tac Ops built at least 14 of the rifles. (edited to remove specific information) Yes, they must have been Red Rider BB guns.

I should check with Mike before I post specific information, my apologies.
 
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